I love this phone but after installing a few apps in the storage card, I realised that phone's storage memory is left with 162mb.
what can I do to reduce the size without having to sacrifice removing the apps?
I understand even though apps are installed in the storage card, some files are still kept in the main memory automatically.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
danny
Phone memory is basically useful to install apps instead of putting them on a much slower storage card (the stock 2gb microsd makes the hd2 read/write WAY slower than my old ipaq 210 with a class6 16gb SD, and ipaq 210 did not have official support to SDHC mind you)
Plus, 162mb free space on storage is not bad, you should fill it with apps
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I'm new to WM5 having previously had a Blue Angel running 2003SE; so far I like my new toy by am wondering about the pros and cons regrading where to install applications Storage Card versus Main Memory. Obviously, installing on Storage card keeps memory free - this is a good thing, but will applications run slower from storage card?
What expereinace can you share regarding thsi?
Thanks
Chris
In WM2003, internal storage ROM is only used to store a backup of the OS and vendor extensions, and is only read during hard resets. Volatile RAM is used to store the OS, files, and applications during regular use (unless they are installed on the SD card), and so their storage must compete with the RAM needed for running programs.
WM5 changes everything -- with WM5, the OS, applications and files always get stored in a nonvolatile storage, be it internal or external, and this is separate from the RAM. Thus battery loss does not cause you to lose installed applications or files. RAM is totally available for running programs, and is not used to store files which are rarely used. There is no more competition for RAM between stored files and running programs.
The WM5 OS and applications running in the background will always use a certain amount of the 64 MB of RAM. You can free it up by removing unnecessary applications. You can also free up the non-volatile storage space by removing vendor extensions and cleaning up temporary files. See this thread, and search for "0506" in re: O2 XDA Exec ROM.
As I have not received my XDA Exec yet, I cannot comment on the speed differences between using internal storage and SD storage. Obviously both are slower than running programs stored in RAM, and depend on the speed on the storage card. But the difference between installing on a SD card and installing in the "default location" is less in WM5 than in WM2003. Installing in the default location won't reduce your available RAM, for example.
I'm sure others have opinions on how best to optimize memory.
thanks for the answer. I posed the question because I pretty much ran out of memory on my device. I have installed in Corporate mode, so don't have O2 active etc. I have just done a hard reset & will now install everything on my storage card just to see what happens
I have had a few WM5 devices. Basically install everything on a removable card. Only install on the internal storage utilities that you are likely to keep around and restrict this to a minimum and small things, like vbar, TRE, etc.
The disadvantage of course is that if you swap SD cards then you can't run applications until you put back in the card installed. I never have this problem as I have only 1gb card permanently in the system. I will shortly be upgrading to a 4gb card (as they are not around £100) which means this is less of a problem. Although note that in the current version of the xda exec's software the camera refuses to write to a 4gb card unless at least 2gb is full.
rgds
I too have a 1Gb card with a 4Gb on order. I'm not very bothered about the camera, but I have read about the 2Gb problem. Hopefully someone will fix this little bug, but until then I can save photos to main memory and then move them about
As a guide I install everything to a SD Card unless it's a today screen plugin or sync's in some way...
that's excatly my thought too - only things which have a today plugin go on the main memory; everything else to SD card - seems to work fine
I just purchased a 1GB miniSD card, and I just want to make sure that i am using it the best I can. I have a CINGULA 8125.
What I am trying to get a goo understanding on is Memory/Storage on this device. As a result I have a few questions I am hoping someone can answer me:
1. What is the difference between Storage Memory and Application Memeory
2. Additional storage (like the 1GB miniSD card I just got) does it go towards the Storage or Application Memory.... or both?
3. As any device, I am assuming there is a limit on how many applications can be ran at the same time (is that what the Application Memory is?) - but I am wondering if adding additional miniSD storage will indeed allow me to install more and more applications, and not just use the space for document storage
4. Is there a way to select where to install an application, as in in the built in storage/memory vs the miniSD storage?
5. Is it true that adding miniSD storage improves the overall performance a tiny little bit?
6. Are there any other tips/trick I should know of regarding Memory/Storage Management in relation to miniSD storage or otherwise?
Thank you very very much..
>1. What is the difference between Storage Memory and Application Memory
Application memory is the equivelant of "RAM" on a computer. Storage memory on WM5 is the equivelant of a hard drive on a computer.
> 2. Additional storage (like the 1GB miniSD card I just got) does it go towards the Storage or Application Memory.... or both?
This is equivelant to a floppy disk or a re-writable CD/DVD. It is more close technically to the Storage memory.
>3. As any device, I am assuming there is a limit on how many applications can be ran at the same time (is that what the Application Memory is?)
Yes, this is reffering to the RAM. On the PocketPCs you can run up to 32 applications at the same time. But you can have thousands installed, just not run at the same time.
>but I am wondering if adding additional miniSD storage will indeed allow me to install more and more applications, and not just use the space for document storage
Yes, that's what it's for. To install more apps and files. But this doesn't mean that you will be able to run more than 32 apps at the same time, because that falls under the RAM/Application memory thing, and not storage/SD.
>4. Is there a way to select where to install an application, as in in the built in storage/memory vs the miniSD storage?
Yes, the .CAB files ask you where to install them.
>5. Is it true that adding miniSD storage improves the overall performance a tiny little bit?
No. When you add a floppy disk or a CD burner on your PC it doesn't make your PC faster. In fact, running apps from the SD it will be equally fast to run them, but a bit slower to load them into RAM.
>6. Are there any other tips/trick I should know of regarding Memory/Storage Management in relation to miniSD storage or otherwise?
Make sure you always have at least 10 MBs of free Application memory and at least 2 MB free of Storage memory (Windows will need some free space to write temp files you see).
I would also recommend to install the freeware utility vBar which allows you to close applications instead of minimize them when you click the "ok" or the "x" button. This way, you can free up RAM each time you don't need an application to be open.
Eugenia, awesome job clearing that up. You should be a teacher.
By the way
I recommend magic button to vbar.
I've tried many times to explain WM5 memory to people but this is the clearest ever.
Hi
I have installed a few programs on my TD2 - all to device rather than storage card - and am getting a little concerned that performance may be suffering. With my prevous device I used SK Tools to move apps to the card - but I'm not 100% clear whether this is good practice.
With nothing running, Settings reports 223.10 MB free for storage (75.29 in use) and 75.87 MD free for programs (108 in use). I have installed things like Sprite Backup and Terminator, ActivePrint, SPB FreeCell, MyLife Organized PocketPC Edition, Resco Sudoku Touch and Gaz TD2 Tools.
Really grateful for any advice.
Thanks
I don't see why installing programs to the device memory should cause performance to suffer? It's only available RAM memory which affects performance, and this remains the same whether you instal to the device or to the card. It's when you open, and leave open, several programs at once that performance suffers.
The nice thing about modern phones is the amount of internal storage, which is plenty for masses of programs. The only performance issue you may have is when downloading large files with Internet Explorer, as I think it uses internal storage as temporary space for the file being downloaded, even if you tell it to save to the memory card. I don't think Opera does this though.
Installing programs to the card means you can't "hot-swap" it unless you're absolutely sure all the programs are closed.
In addition to the above internal phone mem is faster than mem card so performance takes a hit if you use the card.
And you run the risk of more freezes and resets being needed.
It is my firm belief that the use of internal mem avoids a lot of hassles all round by making the phone more stable.
And I almost forgot that internal mem uses less battery power than mem cards.
Easy answer...
Use removable storage for data, on-board storage for apps.
If you have too many apps for on-board storage, consider a slimmer ROM for your phone. Remember on-board storage also works as RAM for your apps, so the more you have available, the more apps you can run.
DeathJester said:
Use removable storage for data, on-board storage for apps.
If you have too many apps for on-board storage, consider a slimmer ROM for your phone. Remember on-board storage also works as RAM for your apps, so the more you have available, the more apps you can run.
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I'd check on that last statement if I were you!
The Topaz has 3 memory areas.
One for flashed ROM.
One for operating RAM.
AND one for storage.
It makes no difference how much you put in storage RAM.
It does make a difference how many apps are running at any one time in operating RAM.
A slimmer ROM image won't make much difference either.
How much of that ROM image is unnecessarily floating around in operating RAM at any one time will make a difference.
Go to settings/system/device information/hardware inforamation
I currently show
RAM size
288 MB
Flash memory size
512 MB
Storage size
342.47 MB
That's a lot of free storage available onboard that is just waiting to be used.
If you go into settings/system/memory you will find storage and program memory values displayed.
Install an app and the in use value of storage memory goes up.
Run an app and the in use value of program memory goes up.
Showing that they are two quite separate physical areas running "independantly" of each other.
Thanks!
Thanks for the helpful responses - much appreciated.
Andrew
werdna72 said:
Thanks for the helpful responses - much appreciated.
Andrew
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Your welcome to any help we can give.
So, I was wondering if it would be better to install apps on the memory card or on main memory. In terms of stability, performance, etc
Thanks!
Main memory.
Snarksneeze said:
Main memory.
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Yep, main memory especially if you're using the crap class 2 card that came with the phone.
I usually install games/apps that i use frequently on the phones main memory. All other games/app, I install it to the storage card. It is stable for me and also leaves space on the phone for other things.
I agree with halojinx. I try to keep my device memory as empty as possible. I throw the large files on the storage card and create shortcuts to them with quicklinks. That way my phone runs quicker. Works for me. : /
Since we have such a big system memory, I have no idea what would drive you guys to move your apps to your SD card.
I know I keep all my .cab files on my SD card, but all my installations go to the system memory.
I have 8gb class 6 micro SD, but the 16gb holds so much more music and video files, I don't really use the 8gb anymore.
rickyoon.vegas;
I agree with you. We have more than enough memory to install a huge amount of apps in the main memory.
Installing it to the main memory won't take up your RAM space for apps to run.
Main memory will use less of your battery also and will not cause your HD2 to freeze because of the generic card that came with the unit.
Yes, there's a metric crapload of on-board memory for apps on the HD2...I think it's a much better policy to install all apps to the phone's memory, and just store the cabs themselves on the storage card. I also believe that installing apps (and all their related minute little files) to the SD card can cause device lag in general when the phone is trying to index the card.
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Main memory.
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Sweet. I was thinking "oh, when I flash I won't need to reinstall the apps if they're on the SD card!" Well I was still installing them after I flash, so I figured I may as well just start installing them to main memory.
Yeah, the crap Class 2 SD card makes me nervous. Once I have the $50, I'll go buy me a nice Class 6
Thanks!
I read the FAQ thread and it says that of the galaxy s2's 16Gb internal storage, only 2Gb is user-available. Is that really true? I figured there was probably some other thread discussing this in more detail but I couldn't find it. Any pointers?
I can understand android + touchwiz taking up a little, but that difference is too huge. Does anybody know how the 16Gb is used, and how much is available for different purposes? Eg I could imagine maybe they have user-installed apps and user-data as two different partitions within the (16Gb - android - touchwiz).
For comparison my understanding of the sensation and evo 3d is that both of those have a 4Gb chip for internal storage and both have 1Gb user-available.
on my sgs2, there's about 2GBish of "device memory" (that's the default place for your apps, etc), 12GBish of "usb storage" (the rest of the internal memory) and 15GBish from my removable microSD card.
That 2GB is for installed applications storage, you get roughly 12GB of free flash memory storage to store whatever you want and the rest of it the phone uses for non-accessible things - system and OS-related, etc.
By the way, it's GB (GigaBYTE) not Gb (GigaBIT), or GiB (GibiBYTE) if you want to get more pedantic. A 'bit' is roughly 8x smaller than a 'byte'.
As I know, HTC sensation got 1gb internal storage for installing apps, and it had not extra space for storage.
thanks
Thanks everybody, having 2+12 Gbyte makes a lot more sense than just 2Gbyte. Glad to hear it does indeed have the space it's "supposed" to.
jasontschan said:
As I know, HTC sensation got 1gb internal storage for installing apps, and it had not extra space for storage.
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it comes with an 8GB microsd card
So the SGS II has:
- internal memory : 2GB
- internal SD: 12GB
- external SD: up to 32GB
My question is, can you install an application on all of those mentioned above?
Or only on internal memory and external sd? Because on the app's properties page u have the option to move it only to internal memory or external SD.
Why?
Sorry if this question was asked before, I'm new to Android, and I did make a search before I asked, but I couldn't find this information.
I installed App2SD, but the movable apps only moved to the INTERNAL SD, not the external_sd.
All the things that installed and or created by the user or the apps themselves would go to the INTERNAL SD, and the external_sd is only used by the user manually putting things into it.
Since SGS II is one of the first Androids with 16GB "internal" Mem PLUS option to insert msd-card app2sd-apps are not modified to move to the "external_sd" which is actually a 2nd sd.
What I dunno if Android itself would allow to read apps from a second sd.
With time there will be an app that can manage this but not yet ............
Sticks02 said:
A 'bit' is roughly 8x smaller than a 'byte'.
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Roughly?