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N1 Owners running Cyan's ROM - Are you running Apps2sd?

I have been using Cyan's rom for quite some time now and am absolutely pleased with his work! But as we all know none of Cyan's rom for the N1, the latest being 5.0.2 at the time of this writing, have app2sd support out of the box.
So begs the question for N1 owners running Cyan's ROM, Are you running Apps2sd?

I'm not planning to use Apps2SD.
Simple because when I had my G1, I was new to Android™ and apps and shtuff.
Now that I've upgraded to the N1, I now know what apps I like, what review sites to trust, which developers to trust, which types of apps I need/want.
I currently use about 5-7 apps daily that I've purchased.
I doubt I will ever have more than a dozen or so installed, even with trial usage of free apps.
Unless something super AMAZING comes out that I gotta try/have/buy.

Well, I become nervous when I see the internal storage has only 196MB so I decided to go for app2SD with my 16GB class 6 microSDHC card...

I also wish to have apps2sd installed as my disk space getting low. I have actually quite a lot of games waiting to be installed but sad I can't yet. Was thinking waiting for Google to provide native SD card apps install support. - I really hope it will happen soon.

No, I have no need for it.
I only have a handful of apps installed. If I want to play something more taxing than Solitaire or Robot Defender I'll fire up my PS3...

Ditto. I've never gotten into handheld gaming. I'd rather load up Crysis on the PC.

I don't do much gaming either, but why use the phone memory when the SD card is available?
Also it helps when changing ROM's as all my Ext3 apps appear without reloading.
So yes I'm using it and it's great 224 apps installed and 24Mb of my 196Mb used

200mb's is plenty for me. I got a TON of apps installed and still have 100mbs free. So no need for Apps2SD, which also will slow down ur phone a little.

lightforce said:
200mb's is plenty for me. I got a TON of apps installed and still have 100mbs free. So no need for Apps2SD, which also will slow down ur phone a little.
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Ditto. Slower start time = no thanks.

I haven't really seen these huge games. I have and play:
Radiant - 5.36MB
Totemo - 3.82MB
Haven't really found anything else on the market that was worth paying for.
I also have everything I feel like I need, and still have 140MB FREE (extra 40 from Cyanogen) of storage on my phone (out of 196MB).

the only reason i use APPS2SD is when i flash new roms or do wipes, my EXT partition is still saved. So when i install/test any new room, apps2sd is enabled and i will have all my apps right where i left them.

Vibrant RAM

Have a quick question regarding RAM. My wife has a MyTouch Slide. After I do a soft reset she has 292 MB of memory/RAM available. After doing a soft-reset on my Vibrant, I only have 229 MB of Memory/RAM available. These results are immediately after using a app called Fast Reboot which kills all of the processes currently running on the phone. The only processes running are those needed in-order for the phone to work.
Is there a problem with the Vibrant not reporting some available memory or does it take that much more to run TouchWiz than it takes to run Sense?

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That is hard to answer because they are not the same phone or even running the same firmware or even the same setup. You because you kill the tasks, doesnt mean the tasks stay killed. Most of the time if you kill a service, it will start back up automatically. Also things you have to consider is What you have on your Home scree. You wife could have no widgets on her home screen while you have 8. How many Icons are on the screen as well. Also wallpapers make a diff too. If you had time on your hands and really wanted to find out. You could factory reset both phones and JUST install fast reboot. Remove all icons from the home screen and set your wallpapers the same image then check .

Im starting to think the same thing. I rarely see over 200 free(with my current setup). I'm not sure if running ADW launcher over touchwiz causes it, but I would hope so. My phone performs well enough to where I dont need to test it, but it would be nice to know or see what would happen if we were able to run CM w/ ADW as the default launcher.

I have been wondering about the ram myself. Specs for the phone list 512 megs of ram yet I stick usually around 130m free when I hit atk. I know everyone suggests not using task killers and I wont after froyo or cm6 and I only kill user genetated programs ie ones i have opened. I read a post taking about froyo unlocking the use of all of our ram?
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From what I understand, the vibrant runs on kernel 2.6.29 which does not have himem support. This means that the phone will not "see" all 512mb of ram.
The reason why people posting that Froyo/2.2 will unlock the rest is because Froyo by default runs on a kernal that is 2.6.3x which does support himem.
It's possible for a phone running 2.1 to have a newer kernel and thus access to all the ram. This may be the case for the MyTouch Slide. Can you check under "About Phone" and see what it says?
Also, even with Himem support, not all 512mb will be visable as "available". Some of it will be used by the OS and some of it is used up by the GPU from my understanding.
At this point, all we can do is wait for the official Froyo update from Samsung. I'll live vicariously through international Galaxy S users as they explore the alpha/beta release that's available and see how the bugs are squashed as we get closer to an office release. Apparently, even the early Froyo release doesn't have built in himem support or JIT activated. So we will need to wait until future revisions are available to draw any conclusion on performance increases.
Please correct me if anything I've stated is incorrect.

Above poster is dead on ... once the new updates come w/ the new kernel support the SGS will "see" the full 512MBs of RAM, as will all other 2.1 Android devices.

I just wanted to add that I don't think it matters how much free RAM you have. The Android OS manages your memory and often loads stuff you don't even need in order to cache it in case you do use it. If you're low on memory, the OS will also kill off tasks to free up memory dynamicly. Task Killers are usually a waste since the OS is already doing this for you. The only way it's really useful is if you autokill apps that you almost never use, but the OS *knows* how much you use it and would kill that app first if it needed memory anyways.

Free ram is wasted ram...
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[Q] After a while my Hero gets slower and slower

Hi,
I usually reinstall my HTC Hero with a different ROM every 2-3-4 weeks. Not because I enjoy it, but I experience that a newly installed ROM is quite fast, then over time, gets slower and slower and ends up being unbearably slow, kinda forcing me to reinstall.
My question is, how do I get around this? How do I prevent my Hero from being slower and slower so I can just install one ROM and stick with that?
I am quite sure that my flash has a swap (not 100% sure though, how do I check it?) and I am using a class 10 flash, so I guess it should be fast enough and not slow anyting down.
Also, I tend to think that it's a good idea to move all not so frequently used apps to SD, to free up main memory, but I am unsure if this in itself actually slows things down instead?
Any comments would be great.
/klaus

klausagnoletti said:
Hi,
I usually reinstall my HTC Hero with a different ROM every 2-3-4 weeks. Not because I enjoy it, but I experience that a newly installed ROM is quite fast, then over time, gets slower and slower and ends up being unbearably slow, kinda forcing me to reinstall.
My question is, how do I get around this? How do I prevent my Hero from being slower and slower so I can just install one ROM and stick with that?
I am quite sure that my flash has a swap (not 100% sure though, how do I check it?) and I am using a class 10 flash, so I guess it should be fast enough and not slow anyting down.
Also, I tend to think that it's a good idea to move all not so frequently used apps to SD, to free up main memory, but I am unsure if this in itself actually slows things down instead?
Any comments would be great.
/klaus
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When you run an app of SD you will be slower keep games on SD but things you need on phone
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Try rebooting your phone when it slows down

mar9118 said:
Try rebooting your phone when it slows down
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I tried that - only works very shortly, then gets back to normal.
/klaus

i installed froydvillain and this rom is so slow!, can you recommend some fast roms?

try this rom , it is so great , fast , stable , i had this proplem before i flashed this awesome rom , now my hero is faster than any time before , dont ask me how , but that is my experience
sorry for my bad english , just trying to help

try this rom < TESLARC601 > , it is so great , fast , stable , i had this proplem before i flashed this awesome rom , now my hero is faster than any time before , dont ask me how , but that is my experience
sorry for my bad english , just trying to help

superss94 said:
i installed froydvillain and this rom is so slow!, can you recommend some fast roms?
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The fastes ROM that i used on my hero was VillainROM 13...and damn is that fast or what...Now i use Salsa Sense 4.0 and the only problem is that it killes sometimes my SetCpu and it gets slow...
I'm now sure but i think that a 2.2 stock rocks on the hero...but elelinux has a GB rom that rocks (recommend if you like stock roms ).
PS: clock the phone @ 691 and you will get speed

klausagnoletti said:
Hi,
I usually reinstall my HTC Hero with a different ROM every 2-3-4 weeks. Not because I enjoy it, but I experience that a newly installed ROM is quite fast, then over time, gets slower and slower and ends up being unbearably slow, kinda forcing me to reinstall.
My question is, how do I get around this? How do I prevent my Hero from being slower and slower so I can just install one ROM and stick with that?
I am quite sure that my flash has a swap (not 100% sure though, how do I check it?) and I am using a class 10 flash, so I guess it should be fast enough and not slow anyting down.
Also, I tend to think that it's a good idea to move all not so frequently used apps to SD, to free up main memory, but I am unsure if this in itself actually slows things down instead?
Any comments would be great.
/klaus
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if you like games i recommend VillainROM 13...even if is a 2.1 android rom but it's fast... If you want a everyday use SalsaSense 4.0 is fun but has some bugs sometimes...
If you want stock android i recommend ele's GB ROM
I see this problem to sometimes but i noticed that the GB internal task manager killed setcpu

I have tried a few different ROM's and best one i have used is Elelinux Speedmachinev4, went to the market and downloaded Android Optimizer ToolBox, and got rid of all the apps i did not need or plan to use (you could also use Adb command line to achieve this aswell as a few other methods), and used the cyanogen setCPU to overclock my CPU to 710mhz. Also using Adavnced Task Killer set to auto kill apps every 3 hours.
And all above combined i have never had lag or slowdown or any problems what so ever.

What utility do you use to flash?
I mean, I had this problem ages ago, I was using AmonRa Recovery..the gradual slowness was becoming a problem for me as well, so I did 2 things:
1. Got myself the latest AmonRa version.
2. Got the latest Radios and Kernels.
Haven't had a problem yet..

yes,same with you,I ususall re-falsh rom again,it is best solve for the issue.

You just need a faster/better rom on your Hero. If your still having trouble I recommend Kimera Rom its stable and very fast.

I've found that certain rom's slow down faster than others, for instance I've been running OMGB for two months now with no problems. Other roms take less than a week to slow down, and lose their 'smoothness'

klausagnoletti said:
Hi,
I usually reinstall my HTC Hero with a different ROM every 2-3-4 weeks. Not because I enjoy it, but I experience that a newly installed ROM is quite fast, then over time, gets slower and slower and ends up being unbearably slow, kinda forcing me to reinstall.
My question is, how do I get around this? How do I prevent my Hero from being slower and slower so I can just install one ROM and stick with that?
I am quite sure that my flash has a swap (not 100% sure though, how do I check it?) and I am using a class 10 flash, so I guess it should be fast enough and not slow anyting down.
Also, I tend to think that it's a good idea to move all not so frequently used apps to SD, to free up main memory, but I am unsure if this in itself actually slows things down instead?
Any comments would be great.
/klaus
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When you are trying to run an app from your SD card, it takes longer time to receive data to your phone, so you are supposed to separate usual apps and games on different districts. And, installing too many unnecessary things on your phone will make your speed slower, so clean up your apps every months or even weeks is a good habit.

i never had this kind of problem,couse i change my roms almost every day

Way to keep ram free?

Im on the stock .605 rom, and it never seems like there's enough free ram. Its frequently in the 30-40 range, applications never return to where they were and I have massive home screen redraws even with adw ex. Is there a solution? I have tweaked the minfree values, and tried v6 supercharger.
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The best way to keep RAM clear is kind of a big commitment. And, this is my opinion. There are certainly people who would disagree with me.
First, people will say task killers are ineffective. This isn't necessarily true. The Linux architecture runs faster with more free memory. If an app uses 35MB memory average, it won't make too much of a difference if you're using 100/200MB of available memory. However, it will make a difference when Linux has to start paging and swapping.
MIUI has exemplary memory management. In addition, holding the 'home' key will bring you to a popup menu which has a built-in app killer. This will free up memory when your phone is running slowly.
My recommendation is to install MIUI and use that feature when you want.

Id rather keep it stock because I know it wont have major bugs like liberty did. I couldnt use sleep and that was an issue for me with school.
And I switched back to the stock launch. It seemed to help
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Stupid tapatalk....

MIUI is actually nigh-on bug free, but I'll assume you've already rejected this. A MIUI discussion would be a PM thing haha
Admittedly, Liberty is a bit buggy. Nice ROM, though.
An app killer widget will keep memory free.
Also, bear in mind, the operating system your phone comes with, by default, has extraordinary memory problems. You will, by default, have less RAM available.

watt9493 said:
Im on the stock .605 rom, and it never seems like there's enough free ram. Its frequently in the 30-40 range, applications never return to where they were and I have massive home screen redraws even with adw ex. Is there a solution? I have tweaked the minfree values, and tried v6 supercharger.
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If your rooted you can use titainuim backup pro to freeze apps that are draining your ram down likely there are some that run all the time that you dont use just remember to defrost them when you need them. Avoid uninstalling preinstalled stuff because it can cause a great deal of problems. If you find issues after freezing there is a likelyhood that what you froze is needed to make others run correctly. Task killing works for a bit but they will all resart after a bit again sucking your ram down

Best Rom for ram usage

I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions

dia_naji said:
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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From my experience, roms based on stock. For some reason roms that have a lot of features eat a lot of memory, its like the os uses that much. CleanRom is based on stock and is pretty smooth and performance wise. A opod choice is also TeamEOS, which only has basic custom features.

dia_naji said:
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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thoughts - sabermod
oppinion - because its sabermod
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dia_naji said:
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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Unless you're seeing significant performance problems, full RAM usage is a good thing, not a bad one. It means your system is doing its utmost to avoid far more expensive I/O operations to the eMMC flash memory. You also shouldn't really be able to "see" the system performing these optimizations, as they're designed to happen silently in the background.

unfortunately with the N10 full RAM brings issues like stuttering, significantly slowdown in performance and the occasional reboot. This has been seen and reported by numerous users here on the forum and I agree with them. There are workarounds, yes, but the problem still exists. This device - for whatever reason - acts very sensitive to little (below 150MB) available RAM.
Having said that: I think SentinelROM has been best so far, but you will still have to reboot every now and again. But the ROM is using different Mali drivers which seem to cure many of the laggy scrolling issues others seem to have (try Firefox browser for example).

mrruin said:
unfortunately with the N10 full RAM brings issues like stuttering, significantly slowdown in performance and the occasional reboot. This has been seen and reported by numerous users here on the forum and I agree with them. There are workarounds, yes, but the problem still exists. This device - for whatever reason - acts very sensitive to little (below 150MB) available RAM.
Having said that: I think SentinelROM has been best so far, but you will still have to reboot every now and again. But the ROM is using different Mali drivers which seem to cure many of the laggy scrolling issues others seem to have (try Firefox browser for example).
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"Numerous users" is a very nebulous claim, and not at all useful. I don't deny that it happens, but unless you can demonstrate that RAM usage is the culprit for lag (a very difficult feat when you consider all of the lurking variables "lag" entails), it's a pretty tall claim to say that it's a "full RAM" problem. This is especially important when you consider that problems with low memory management, handling paging to disk, and killing activities are highly ROM/kernel-dependent.
FWIW the uptime on mine, running Carbon ROM regularly exceeds one to two weeks without lag, and even then the reboots usually happen because I forget to charge the device and it dies in the night.

Sure you can make a science out of everything. Just look at the reports in this forum, they sing a pretty similar tune. Last but not least I have seen this on my own tablet as well. *shrug* for me it is what it is, I know a solution and have no lag our stutter.

mrruin said:
Sure you can make a science out of everything. Just look at the reports in this forum, they sing a pretty similar tune. Last but not least I have seen this on my own tablet as well. *shrug* for me it is what it is, I know a solution and have no lag our stutter.
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Recognizing the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence isn't "making a science out of something," it's part of being a halfway-informed human being. Deliberately choosing to run by anecdotes alone isn't simply illogical, it's folly, and usually leads people into doing some very, very stupid things (this is precisely how snake oil cures get spread around: "look at all these people who said this works! I'll try it too because they think it works!")
Seeder is a great example for one of these imaginary non-problems. Lagfix is an example of the opposite-- it was built by an informed developer who knew the exact hardware problem they needed to target, and did just that.
That you saw it on your tablet really means nothing more than you've run ROM/kernel combinations that don't deal with low RAM very well. Which says nothing bad about you, but doesn't really bode well for the efficiency of that software combo.