Hiya,
I've had search through the forum, but nothing specific came up that I found. So pardon me if I am asking an old question. I also checked the link at the top of the forum, but the Wiki links weren't working.
I have just come out of my old contract and was looking at the HD2 as a possible option for a new phone. It has a 'Wifi Router' feature which seems quite unique, but it also hits a grey area in phone contracts.
Would using this feature be classed as 'tethering' or 'tunnelling'? (I think that's what it's called.) Would there be any additional charges from a UK provider such as O2 or Orange? How would they know?
With my old Orange contract I'd often take my SIM card and put it in an unlocked 3G dongle and this would enable me to use my laptop at work to browse webpages and... play Warcraft... Anyway, I never incurred any extra charges with Orange as, I guess, they had no idea that I was doing it.
Would this work in a similar fashion?
Please share your experiences from UK service providers when using this feature. I'm mainly looking at O2 as CPW have an attractive offer of a free phone and just the right amount of minutes and texts for a nice price.
Hi, yes, it's the same as tethering, except that instead of the comp using the phone as a modem, the phone creates its own connection and then shares it, so it's possibly a little harder for 'them' to see what you are doing, as they will still only see a phone rather than a data modem.
O2 have removed the wifi router from their rom, but that is easily replaced by flashing a new rom.
I doubt they will be able to tell what you are doing, certainly not unless they do some pretty hardcore packet inspection, perhaps, however teh fair useage data policies will apply, of course.
i have unlimited data bolt on, so there is probably no less useage when its not acting as a router than when there is!
Personally i wouldn't worry about it.
I'm on O2 and did get a slap on the wrist when I had my phone tethered to my laptop while I spent a couple of nights in hospital. I watched a few 1 hour episodes on BBC iplayer, and I think that pushed me over the 1GB fair usage limit. They sent me a text and a letter, which is fair enough.
However, I'm not sure how they can claim on the one hand that tethering the phone to a laptop is against the terms and conditions of the contract when they advertise the following for the HD2:
"Carry the HTC HD2 in your pocket and you'll never have to worry about finding a Wi-Fi access point for your laptop. Your phone simply connects to superfast 3.5G cellular networks and becomes your personal wireless access point; anytime, anywhere. "
SOURCE: http://shop.o2.co.uk/mobile_phone/HTC/HD2?lastPage=/mobile_phones/Pay_Monthly/HTC
(read the last section titled "Discover the Unexpected")
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However, I'm not sure how they can claim on the one hand that tethering the phone to a laptop is against the terms and conditions of the contract when they advertise the following for the HD2:
"Carry the HTC HD2 in your pocket and you'll never have to worry about finding a Wi-Fi access point for your laptop. Your phone simply connects to superfast 3.5G cellular networks and becomes your personal wireless access point; anytime, anywhere. "
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LOL, yet the one I got from O2 has wifirouter removed, nice.
I'm with t-mobile Web&Walk+ £30/month and I've been using my phone as a modem for the last 3 years or so. Usually on a laptop or netbook, all over the UK and EU. I've never really caned it with downloads but have used uploads very heavily but I guess I've stayed within the 'fair usage' policy, whatever that is at the moment. I suppose streaming / p2p / usenet would raise issues but FTP uploads and the like doesn't seem to bother them and if it does they haven't bothered me.
The wireless router on teh HD2 works a treat and it's one less cable/dongle to carry.
Used mine as a wifi router pretty heavily a couple of days ago (500MB in a day, maybe a bit more)... no extra charges showing on my online bill and they would be there by now
If you go with O2, you have to flash to a different ROM from the O2 ROM though... although that's a painless 10 minute proceedure... plus it fixes a few little bugs
Thanks very much for the advice everyone. Really has been helpful.
My new HD2 is on the way and will be here tomorrow. I took out the £7.50 a month bolt-on for unlimited data downloads too, pushing the total to £37.50 (a smidgin over the amount I wanted to pay).
I'm actually more shocked that they accepted me for credit.
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LOL, yet the one I got from O2 has wifirouter removed, nice.
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I'm using a SE Xperia X1 at the moment, but I did hear O2 have removed the wifi router feature, despite advertsing it (false advertising). I got a HD2 from Virgin and it was great, but had to return it because of the slow download speeds.
I'm looking to upgrade with O2 now that I have ported my number back to them.
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I'm using a SE Xperia X1 at the moment, but I did hear O2 have removed the wifi router feature, despite advertsing it (false advertising). I got a HD2 from Virgin and it was great, but had to return it because of the slow download speeds.
I'm looking to upgrade with O2 now that I have ported my number back to them.
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Im more than happy with o2, , at least now i've flashed a different rom, heh.
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Im more than happy with o2, , at least now i've flashed a different rom, heh.
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Yeah, they're really good - great customer service.
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Hi Guys, well god only knows how but I have lost my Ameo 2 weeks back... thankfully I have the T-mobile insurance. However there are no Ameos about and so I now have a TytnII which is surprisingly good... although I miss the wonderful VGA screen .
Anyway I got to thining about my lost baby. Now T-Mobile have blocked it, and its reported as lost so I guess if anyone switches it on they will get barred from UK Networks (assuming they are still in the UK of course!) and hopeully it can be tracked by cell? What I was thinking though is that even when it's blocked are the buggers who now have it able to use it as a brilliant GPS unit still? I had TomTom and iGo 8 on it!!! Can it be tracked and caught that way maybe? It really peeves me to think that someone could use it as a GPS and get it for free instead of handing it in!!
Anyways hopefully somone will tell me the GPS wont work if it blocked, or that it will be tracked and the buggers caught!! Here's hoping... oh and if they go abroad will it still be blocked? Did UK set up international blocking or not? As I hear a lot of stolen phones end up in Asia and the Far East now!
The simplest way to catch the burglar is to wait the IMEI appearance on the network, tracing the phone position using the network info AND the SIM card subscriber's data!
Agreed - but im thinkin if its blocked and they decide its a nice gps now, they can stick it in flight mode and use it like that?
Sorry but the GPS will definately still work, as it is completely unconnected from the phone, however it wont work aswell because the software "Quick GPS" requires an active data connection to allow a quick lock ! so now they will have to wait a while everytime for the GPS to lock !
If you had installed the Free WIMP (where is my phone) software, you would be able to track your phone yourself !
T-mobile wont track by cell as they are not a law enforcement agency, and the police don't care it's just another lost mobile to them !
you can still text. i used to have a blocked ameo, i didnt steal it myself, long story.. but anyway, it could still send and recieve texts and connect to the 3g/hsdpa networks. because as far as i know, only calls check your imei
rory
He's correct: you can still use GPRS/3G/HSDPA on a blocked handset. Blocking only prevents GSM functions such as texting and phone calls.
If someone has a data only SIM card (or perhaps buys one of the Hutchinson 3G pay as you go SIMs) then they will happily be able to use your Ameo as a portable web/GPS unit, and unfortunately there is no way that anyone will be caught for this, despite what the Network or the police might tell you.
On the subject, a TyTn 2 seems like a big monetary step-down from an Ameo, could they not order you one in?
Bugger! Someones got a nice cheap web tablet then!!
I had to have a phone quick or I'd lose work so I had little choice.. plus I was due an upgrade anyway on my tarrif in 3 weeks time so I was thinkin of upgrading to the new 16GB version - but they have no idea when it will arrive!! Ooh i noticed Orange do the Shift now - but I just bought an eeePC so dont really need that now... hmmm.. what to do?
I doubt T-Mobile will release the 16gb model as the AMEO didn't shift too well and I think their bods will deem its updates insufficient to create enough market appeal.
The Shift is a shot in the dark and is VERY expensive considering that you'll be paying not much less than the SIM-FREE price for an 18 month contract AND you'll probably need a second phone most of the time. Also, owing to its HSDPA and integrated windows the likelihood of you going over your 3gb allowance and being charged by the megabyte is very high. At least on T-Mobile you'll only get a letter after 3 months of abusing - in fact I've been over my Web N Walk Plus allowance pretty much every month this year and I've not even received a telling-off letter!
I would say that waiting for the Touch Diamond, selling it and buying an x7510 which would mean about a 250 pound supplement, would be the best idea OR send your Vario 3 back and they'll offer you a reduced-rate contract instead of a handset then simply buy a Shift or an x7510 by your own means...
Sad to say, but I'm pretty sure whoever got your lost Ameo is reading this now. :C
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Yea they probably are!
I have to say I am getting quite attached to the Vario3 apart from the screen - not sure what to do now I have the eeePC as would I use the Ameo much? Blimey what to do!
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Yea they probably are!
I have to say I am getting quite attached to the Vario3 apart from the screen - not sure what to do now I have the eeePC as would I use the Ameo much? Blimey what to do!
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If you've got an EEE stick with that and the Vario 3 and use the Vario for your internet connection. It'll actually be better than the Shift connection-wise as (as far as I'm aware) the Shift doesn't support HSUPA, only HSDPA.
There's an extended life battery for the EEE which I'm looking to get as it should extend its life to over five hours: the Shift, with its naff battery life is nothing compared to a light, solid EEE combined with a Vario 3. Sounds like you might be best to stick with what you've got.
Currently I'm balancing an EEE, an HTC Universal an a Nokia N95. It's not exactly convergence but holistically I've got the best of all worlds!
There's a bit of an argument going on at the mo as I am one of the unlucky eee900 owners who have the 4400mAh battery! Over at the eeeuser.com forums we are trying to get evidence of crap batteries so I cant talk to Taiwan again on tuesday/wednesday...
But i think you might be right - I might stick with the vario and the eee for the time being.
WOW I cant even imagine how you feel I have also installed WIMP and it works very well for lost or stolen phones. You may want to think about it for your future WM6 phones...TJ
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WOW I cant even imagine how you feel I have also installed WIMP and it works very well for lost or stolen phones. You may want to think about it for your future WM6 phones...TJ
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An even better option is spb sprite terminator. It lets you lock the phone, change password, erase your sensitive files, find out who his friends are (hopefully you can get to him via his friend), among some useful features.
Hey peeps,
Got some money to burn before the end of my tax year and have been keeping my eye on the phone market recently (boy has it been eventful with the passing of the MWC), and have decided i want a Nexus One.
Can i just get a few questions clear so i know it's defiantly the right choice (as i keep thinking i should wait for the *cough* iphone *cough* 4 *cough*):
1) Will the N1 get updates to Android first over other Android phones like the milestone and the Desire?
2) Will there be any issues with updates as i will be buying from the US for me in the UK?
3) If i have a problem with my N1 where do i go to get it fixed in the UK?
4) Is the N1 'always on'? (need to decide what data package to go for)
5) If i root the N1 will this cause problems with Android updates?
6) If i put the HTC Sense on the N1 will this cause problems with Android updates?
I can't think of any other major questions, but i am sure i will ask if i do
Paul
1) It will be faster than the milestone, but for the Desire we don't know yet. Anyway, it's not like features like this won't be ported the next day by the devs here
2) No problem.
3) Dunno, sorry
4) Well it can connected only on demand, but it's not how android is supposed to be used I guess.
5) Not so far, and at worse you'll have to wait (not long) for unofficial updates
6) You'll have to use the updates found here. The OS won't be 100% identical to the Desire, so no official updates will work. Applications updates from the market work us usual though.
Thanks Blimblim
with regards to No.4, i asked cus someone told me that the iphone is always on, so if it hasn't found a wifi network to connect to it uses GPRS or 3G which could get costly if i'm out and about
With No.6 I think i might leave it as stock if it may cause problems/inconveniences. (but i might change my mind when i get it )
3) It'll go to HTC UK who are based in Milton Keynes.
4) You can turn data on and off as you please with the 'Toggle Data' widget.
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1) Will the N1 get updates to Android first over other Android phones like the milestone and the Desire? More than likely, as the updates will come straight from Google
2) Will there be any issues with updates as i will be buying from the US for me in the UK? No
3) If i have a problem with my N1 where do i go to get it fixed in the UK? Phone gets sent off to HTC in Milton Keynes
4) Is the N1 'always on'? (need to decide what data package to go for) Yes, although you can disable mobile data with APNDroid, which was fine for me till I sorted a dataplan
5) If i root the N1 will this cause problems with Android updates? Only if you load a custom ROM
6) If i put the HTC Sense on the N1 will this cause problems with Android updates? Yes, as it's a custom ROM, not that the devs wont include the updates themselves though.
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sir.chunk said:
Hey peeps,
Got some money to burn before the end of my tax year and have been keeping my eye on the phone market recently (boy has it been eventful with the passing of the MWC), and have decided i want a Nexus One.
Can i just get a few questions clear so i know it's defiantly the right choice (as i keep thinking i should wait for the *cough* iphone *cough* 4 *cough*):
1) Will the N1 get updates to Android first over other Android phones like the milestone and the Desire?
2) Will there be any issues with updates as i will be buying from the US for me in the UK?
3) If i have a problem with my N1 where do i go to get it fixed in the UK?
4) Is the N1 'always on'? (need to decide what data package to go for)
5) If i root the N1 will this cause problems with Android updates?
6) If i put the HTC Sense on the N1 will this cause problems with Android updates?
I can't think of any other major questions, but i am sure i will ask if i do
Paul
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I'm from uk and have an N1
1) Update was prompted to me the moment the wizard setup up wifi (by establishing my google accounts) upon startup
2) None so far. Be aware navigation will only work at present if you root your phone (iphone equivalent of jailbreaking). Google are working on a european version, i chose to wait. And then there is an intermittent sync error with Picasa web albums directly onto the phone, though you can still access the web version in your browser in seconds [EDIT - this will be resolved by updates according to Google forums]
3) A problem with software would be to contact Google. Hardware would require HTC's uk based team.
4) You can chose to not have data roaming, chose to not update any widgets should you wish. For your information i'm on O2 simplicity at £20 a month, 800 minutes, 1600 texts and unlimited internet and have had no problems. Advice if you'r unsure would be to buy the paid version of the Taskiller app, it can be selected to automatically close background apps and therefore stop unnecessary data.
5) Not rooted mine. Chose not to do mine as i'm new to Android it's still much more customizable than iphone and Winmo so i'm a happy user with current abilities. I will pursue rooting if Google do not update a sat nav app for uk in the next few months. There are plenty of youtube videos around to show you how with forum advice.
6) Again, there are plenty of youtube videos with the 2.1 Desire new Rom working on the N1 successfully. No visual performance issues fromt he ones i've seen and everything looks as it should.
Hope i've been of some help.
Regards
Scott
oooooo, this is all very exciting! Thanks everyone for the info.
Didn't know HTC had a centre in MK - WINNER!
I think i will leave putting HTC sense on for now. I did it with the X1 and liked it, but that's only cus what SE had to being with was about as much use as a chocolate tea pot! lol
Out of interest, what data plan have you gone for with vodafone UK?
I see they are now offering on their sim only plans a 1gb data plan.
1 more thing, you may need to establish the APN's for MMS and web for your Network but these can easily be Google'd...
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1 more thing, you may need to establish the APN's for MMS and web for your Network but these can easily be Google'd...
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Using Nexus One in the UK on o2 with no problems what so ever, everything working as should.
However just received a big bill from DHL for £81
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Using Nexus One in the UK on o2 with no problems what so ever, everything working as should.
However just received a big bill from DHL for £81
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Really? Mine was £59 Did you get a UK charger with yours?
Also, to the OP, you really should get an unlimited data plan. They are pretty standard now, even on PAYG, and you are not gonna get anywhere near as much out of the phone without one.
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However just received a big bill from DHL for £81
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That sounds like a mistake to me, even with the charger it shouldn't be much over £60.
Mine was £59.21 (no charger)
Have they stiffed you for duty by any chance? That should be zero.
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If DHL try to shaft you for the duty charge, phone them up and demand it taken off your bill. UK customs state that mobile phones and PDAs have 0% duty fee. They put a 5% duty on mine, so I called them up. The lines are always busy, but as soon as I got through it was only a 2 mins affair. They have to recalculate the VAT and other charges so they'll send you a new updated bill in about a week or so.
Hey guys, what was the total cost in £'s if you don't mind me asking (phone, Duty?, VAT)?
Also, would you think when Vodafone release it in the UK, will it be different to the one from Google direct?
@3Shirts - Vodafone don't do unlimited data, just 500mb or 1Gb
guys dont forget quidco as well £100 for a symplicity o2 tarrif and £100 for vf one as well
Vodafone unltd data limit sucks
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Hey guys, what was the total cost in £'s if you don't mind me asking (phone, Duty?, VAT)?
Also, would you think when Vodafone release it in the UK, will it be different to the one from Google direct?
@3Shirts - Vodafone don't do unlimited data, just 500mb or 1Gb
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Guys I'm using my N1 on vodafone uk too but hate that i get the 500mb so called unlimited data on my 18 month pay monthly plan (came with my contracted crappy N97)! They give iPhone users 1gig!! N other networks put out 1 gig too...why this unfairness??
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£412.41 all in, no charger as it's a rip-off!
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£412.41 all in, no charger as it's a rip-off!
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Hey Rusty, thanks for that.
How come the charger is a rip off, and what have you gone for instead?
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£412.41 all in, no charger as it's a rip-off!
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Thanks for the info. I've been considering the N1 replaced for my HD2, really want to try android. How long did it take for the N1 to be in your hand after despatch?
Ordered at 17:15 on Tues day evening, retried order at 17:45 due to HSBC fraud prevention.
Phone in hand about 13:30 on the Friday.
I heard if you buy an Android phone through a third party reseller you only get 1GB throttled internet instead of 3GB. But I read you can make a call to convince them to change it.
Anyone ever done this and got any tips?
From what I heard they put you on the unlimited internet booster, which is only 1GB, and not web and walk plus (3GB) if you order through a reseller.
Well, I ordered it from E2 save.
I can't link or post images yet: i.imgur.com/Ku7aX.png
Notice they give you the option to add "Unlimited Web Booster" for £5 a month? Could I use that to convince them?
Thanks.
edit: It also says unlimited on their site: e2save.com/mobile-phone/contract/samsung/Samsung-Galaxy-S.html?tariffcode=D25TEAPR09
edit2: T-Mobiles FUP:
You'll get internet on your phone Plus included if you join us on a pay monthly plan with an Android phone in a T-Mobile store, over the phone or via our website, t-mobile.co.uk.
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Can you order over the phone on e2save?
eidt3: I actually did join them over the phone, as the phone is why I joined them. See what I mean?
Anyone know?
I heard saying people on the forums managed to get upgraded for free works. Guess it makes the employee think his friends are letting them have it so he should too.
When I signed up for Sim only £15 month plan they put me on web + walk plus automatically, even though phone was from another seller. Didn't believe it at first, but sure enough it showed up there on my bill. Tbh, I think the girl I spoke to got confused - I've not queried it since!
I got mine upgraded, but then again I was already a customer before they changed the wording on the fup back in July 2010.
However, they didn't want to upgrade me at first, and the best tactic I found may well work for you too:
Basically, you have to complain bitterly that the internet access is extremely slow and laggy, and that you have tested it and it seems that even tho your phone shows you have a hsdpa connection, you are only getting 3G speeds (~350kpbs) at best and it seems you are being throttled.
Then tell them that you have read all their t&c's and there is no mention AT ALL that the 1GB FUP is throttled, so therefore they need to rectify this situation, as the hsdpa device you got with your contract is being crippled without good reason - tell them that you accept that there is a 1GB FUP, but you feel you should be allowed to download that 1GB as quickly as your device is capable of.
Keep pushing and escalate to their line manager if necessary. Worked for me and at least one other person.
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I got mine upgraded, but then again I was already a customer before they changed the wording on the fup back in July 2010.
However, they didn't want to upgrade me at first, and the best tactic I found may well work for you too:
Basically, you have to complain bitterly that the internet access is extremely slow and laggy, and that you have tested it and it seems that even tho your phone shows you have a hsdpa connection, you are only getting 3G speeds (~350kpbs) at best and it seems you are being throttled.
Then tell them that you have read all their t&c's and there is no mention AT ALL that the 1GB FUP is throttled, so therefore they need to rectify this situation, as the hsdpa device you got with your contract is being crippled without good reason - tell them that you accept that there is a 1GB FUP, but you feel you should be allowed to download that 1GB as quickly as your device is capable of.
Keep pushing and escalate to their line manager if necessary. Worked for me and at least one other person.
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Thanks I'll try that.
I'm on unlimited internet booster, but get HSDPA speeds - 1900kbps down, 530kbps up...
For my first month (Jul-Aug) I was on web'n'walk because of a ****-up, then back to normal 'internet booster'. Noticed no difference in quality of service.
And I only just about scrape the 1GB limit. But then I've got wi-fi at home. Mind you, now I've got 2.2 on my phone and Flash 10.1, who knows
I bought from a reseller as well.
Oh yeah when you people managed to upgrade to 3GB, did you get to choose another booster as well?
How do you test your speed?
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Send email explaining that you have slow hsdpa speeds and you have read on terms and conditions that every android should have 3gb fup.
Give them your phone number to contact you (say that you would like to speak with them) in 24hrs they should call you back with everything on as it should be.
In response to post above. No I didn't get the booster but I'll probably ask for it in few weeks.
Pointing that I've read on internet that people when ordering this offer could have a booster as well with 3gb fup
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[email protected]
Send email explaining that you have slow hsdpa speeds and you have read on terms and conditions that every android should have 3gb fup.
Give them your phone number to contact you (say that you would like to speak with them) in 24hrs they should call you back with everything on as it should be.
In response to post above. No I didn't get the booster but I'll probably ask for it in few weeks.
Pointing that I've read on internet that people when ordering this offer could have a booster as well with 3gb fup
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Thanks, does that still work though?
As they added this:
You'll get internet on your phone Plus included if you join us on a pay monthly plan with an Android phone in a T-Mobile store, over the phone or via our website, t-mobile.co.uk.
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Worth trying. I did it 2 months a go. Depending on when you activated your phone and when this rule went live if you hurry up you might actually speak with someone that does not know about it. Or you just bought the phone before this was announced...
Do it quick and let me know
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Worth trying. I did it 2 months a go. Depending on when you activated your phone and when this rule went live if you hurry up you might actually speak with someone that does not know about it. Or you just bought the phone before this was announced...
Do it quick and let me know
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My phone's coming tomorrow.
O.K. Found an app called Xtremelabs Speedtest. It tells me that on GPS with H showing I have 287Kb/s download and upload of 22.9Kb/s.
Is this what it should be ?
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O.K. Found an app called Xtremelabs Speedtest. It tells me that on GPS with H showing I have 287Kb/s download and upload of 22.9Kb/s.
Is this what it should be ?
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HSDPA is meant to be 7.2Mb/s I think. Well up to that.
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HSDPA is meant to be 7.2Mb/s I think. Well up to that.
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So I am a bit down then
On tmobile you will get max 2mbit up and 600kbit down (confirmed with tmobile tech support).
I think o2 has got the fastest one and that is 7 mbit.
However, I also use giffgaff, its pay and go, or something like simplicity on o2 where you have to top up every month and quit any time.
The give you 4 mbit down and 2 mbit up and really unlimited broadband with no fup.
All that is because there isn't any customer service and everything you bed sorting out you do on forums....
(if you are going to try it as a reference please put firewire)
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Got my phone now. On speed test i got around 300Kb/s.
Noob question - how do I see how much data I'm allowed? lol
edit:19Kb/s up but I was running in the background.
Thanks everyone it worked. Got my texts too.
As i work for T-Mobile i should not say this but if you go into your local store and tell them you are getting a message saying you are at 80% of your download limit and you should be getting 3GB so why do you get this message? they should look at your account and see no wnw+ soc and just add it as they cant see where you got it.
I've just bought a brand new S4 I9505 at a bargain price from a friend who got it as a free upgrade, but didn't want it, or the hassle of selling it.
I've been trying to find out if the S4 supports wi-fi tethering on 3 UK, I'm not on a tethering contract, but have never had a problem with my HTC Desire or recently purchased S2.
I would normally just put my sim in and try it, but that would require cutting it down, something I don't wish to do just yet.
There's a lot of conflicting info on here, and the net, so can anyone say for certain whether it'll work or not please?
Before my 3 upgrade i had a sim only deal with UL Data, but i did have the option to tether on my iphone 4, never really used it a lot so not sure if i ever got charged for it. This time around, when deciding to go for the 35 or 37 per month contract i asked them what differences are there, one thing they did mention was on the one plan you can have the option to tether, thought to myself i could do that on my sim only deal anyway, but like a mug decided to go for the one plan. Not sure if that helps you at all
I'd say it depends.
Is the phone branded? You can be 100% sure that if it is 3 branded then it will detect and report tethering, therefore it will not work.
If it's not, and you say your sim card worked fine on other (unrooted?) phones then it should also work in the S4.
I've got the One Plan myself so I can obviously tether as much as I like and it obviously works, but otherwise, you can always get around this with any of the apps available in the PlayStore (you need root for this) that route/mask the internet traffic data as android browser data, and then adhere to the rule of max 1gb per hour, and 3gb per day to not raise any alarms. Hope this helps.
Thanks very much for the replies, I hadn't subscribed so didn't get an email
The phone was originally on Vodafone, but is unlocked, there does appear to be some Vodafone apps, but not start up or shutdown animations from Vodafone, so doesn't seem too heavily branded. Hopefully the fact it's a Vodafone phone and not from Three will work in my favor, although I will eventually root it.
The other phones I've used are both rooted, an HTC Desire, and S2, I only tether very occasionally, when on holiday in the UK or just need a quick connection to setup another phone or use my tablet when out, so won't be using GBs of data.
I should have my SIM cutter and adapters (so I can refit in my S2 until the S4 is ready) today when I get home, so I'll give it a go tonight and see what happens.
Something I read in PC Pro recently about mobile phone companies blocking tethering using new methods, got me worried, and I'd also seen plenty of posts from people in America having problems, anyway we'll see tonight - does annoy me that I can't use my 1GB of data I pay for how I want to.
Good news, cut down and fitted my sim earlier this evening, no problem tethering my Android tablet to the S4, was able to browse the net and even run some speed tests. Never tried my laptop, didn't want to push my luck with a different O/S.
Ive been reading on some stuff regarding HTC and their lack of providing a true root unlock on their Android devices. So im wondering if its the same for their WP8 offerings? The main thing i want to do once i dev unlock the 8XT is to be able to get wifi sharing working, but im a bit worried that things like that would be locked down. Im not worried about the usage as it would be minimal at best, 1-2 megs a month prob at most.
Then, onto the Samsung issue... ive heard they are quite a bit more open to full rooting/unlocking and then theres the better resolution over the 8XT.
Then you have the price point, the 8XT is at Sams Club, Radio Shack and other places for $80 while at Sprint stores its $150 before $50 rebate. The ATIV S Neo will be $200 out the door and a $50 rebate.
So, your thoughts?
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Ive been reading on some stuff regarding HTC and their lack of providing a true root unlock on their Android devices. So im wondering if its the same for their WP8 offerings? The main thing i want to do once i dev unlock the 8XT is to be able to get wifi sharing working, but im a bit worried that things like that would be locked down. Im not worried about the usage as it would be minimal at best, 1-2 megs a month prob at most.
Then, onto the Samsung issue... ive heard they are quite a bit more open to full rooting/unlocking and then theres the better resolution over the 8XT.
Then you have the price point, the 8XT is at Sams Club, Radio Shack and other places for $80 while at Sprint stores its $150 before $50 rebate. The ATIV S Neo will be $200 out the door and a $50 rebate.
So, your thoughts?
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WiFi sharing is locked down. The only method available to unlock it involves sim swapping with different carriers.
WiFi sharing is a built-in feature of the OS, but it will check your data plan for approval before you can use it. If your plan doesn't allow it, then there's no way I know of to reliably work around the restriction. However, we do have wired tethering for Samsung phone (haven't tested the Neo, but it should work) and that seems to bypass the carrier restrictions.
No WP8 phone has a "true root unlock" at all. The OEM policies for Android are quite irrelevant here (and FWIW, HTC does offer a bootloader unlock, which allows completely rooting the phone, on Android). We're working on "rooting" WP8, but so far, no dice except for isolated reports of success on specific models of phone, mostly the Huawei Ascend W1.
The Neo is more expensive than the XT because it's a better phone. Look at the specs; the Neo has a better (and bigger) display, better storage, bigger battery (and it's removable; not sure about that on the XT), and probably better cameras too. The XT will have better audio, but that's probably about it.
I keep using rooting in place of 'being able to unlock and flash' I guess. But an article I read today was complaining about HTC and their 'unlocking' issues.
I'm aware the ATIV does have better specs, but I haven't liked the feel of their HW since the Moment, it just feels cheap and light. Not that the XT isn't light and I don't like that either, coming from the likes of the Touch Pro and Touch Pro2 I currently use. I also don't really want a tablet for a phone lol, but I am disappointed that Sprint keeps wanting WVGA devices from HTC
The reason in looking for the WiFi tether is I'm putting Is Galaxy Tab 2 in my Mazda 6 and would like to use it occasionally for nav, and I doubt it has native USB hosting.
So having said all that, what's the SIM trick?
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I keep using rooting in place of 'being able to unlock and flash' I guess. But an article I read today was complaining about HTC and their 'unlocking' issues.
I'm aware the ATIV does have better specs, but I haven't liked the feel of their HW since the Moment, it just feels cheap and light. Not that the XT isn't light and I don't like that either, coming from the likes of the Touch Pro and Touch Pro2 I currently use. I also don't really want a tablet for a phone lol, but I am disappointed that Sprint keeps wanting WVGA devices from HTC
The reason in looking for the WiFi tether is I'm putting Is Galaxy Tab 2 in my Mazda 6 and would like to use it occasionally for nav, and I doubt it has native USB hosting.
So having said all that, what's the SIM trick?
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There is no "SIM trick".
you just need a data plan which allows tethering.
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WiFi sharing is locked down. The only method available to unlock it involves sim swapping with different carriers.
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mcosmin222 said:
There is no "SIM trick".
you just need a data plan which allows tethering.
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This is what i was talking about.
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This is what i was talking about.
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I thought I had heard some success with having your primary MO's SIM in first, turn it off, place second MO's SIM in, turn back on, go to your mo config app (on nokia its access point in settings, on HTC its Connection Setup, I have no idea where its at on Samsung.) check if internet sharing is on, and repeat the process to go back to the first MO's settings.
I just didn't recall many people getting it working doing that, because I don't know if Internet Sharing can be relocked; hence I didn't reply in detail at first.
If you pay for it in your plan then it should be automatically enabled anyways......
Ok, so heres a stupid question that im sure i know the answer to.. but... here goes anyways...
Are the days of flashing a phone to another provider like WinMo gone? If you can flash a WP8 phone to work on Page Plus, could you theoretically get it on Sprint too?
It seems that if i want a decent handset that isnt the size of a tablet then a used Nokia is my best bet. 810/820/822's are all over eBay for around $150 and in my area i have T-Mo and Cinci Bell for GSM carriers, but T-Mo is the only one with unlimited data. Which brings up another point. I consider myself a fairly heavy data user, but these days its mostly email and the occasional Twitter website bombing using Opera Mini. I use an average of <300megs/month. So theoretically, i could go to Verizon with the 1GB plan and not worry about it, i just dont know how much more data i would use. Of the apps i mess around with on my wifi Arrive, i use Twitter and Words with Friends the most. Sometimes the eBay app, but i find its cumbersome when i have a real computer within reach nearly all day at work or home.
My biggest concern/***** is that as of Oct 19th ill have been with Sprint for 13 years and they really dont care to keep me that much. Ive had more than one person tell me that, yet despite the ones who say they value my loyalty, cant seem to prove it by offering a free handset, moving my upgrade period up 18 days or offering a 'special plan' like in the past. And they dont have good offerings like in the past and the plans.. ugh. Wheres the carrier that will let me get 200 mins/month with unlimited text/data for around $50 like you used to be able to get?
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Ok, so heres a stupid question that im sure i know the answer to.. but... here goes anyways...
Are the days of flashing a phone to another provider like WinMo gone? If you can flash a WP8 phone to work on Page Plus, could you theoretically get it on Sprint too?
It seems that if i want a decent handset that isnt the size of a tablet then a used Nokia is my best bet. 810/820/822's are all over eBay for around $150 and in my area i have T-Mo and Cinci Bell for GSM carriers, but T-Mo is the only one with unlimited data. Which brings up another point. I consider myself a fairly heavy data user, but these days its mostly email and the occasional Twitter website bombing using Opera Mini. I use an average of <300megs/month. So theoretically, i could go to Verizon with the 1GB plan and not worry about it, i just dont know how much more data i would use. Of the apps i mess around with on my wifi Arrive, i use Twitter and Words with Friends the most. Sometimes the eBay app, but i find its cumbersome when i have a real computer within reach nearly all day at work or home.
My biggest concern/***** is that as of Oct 19th ill have been with Sprint for 13 years and they really dont care to keep me that much. Ive had more than one person tell me that, yet despite the ones who say they value my loyalty, cant seem to prove it by offering a free handset, moving my upgrade period up 18 days or offering a 'special plan' like in the past. And they dont have good offerings like in the past and the plans.. ugh. Wheres the carrier that will let me get 200 mins/month with unlimited text/data for around $50 like you used to be able to get?
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Flashing Nokia's - YES! Anything else... idk, I haven't tested.
With having Sprint/PagePlus, you don't have much of a choice, because there aren't any unbranded CDMA phones on the market, there's usually one or variants for the carrier (usually just color options, but sometimes different models) and thats it. I'd personally recommend Verizon (awesome speed, but meh datacaps) for their stable network covering areas that Sprint/AT&T(Or cincinnati-bell for that matter and I'm in cinci )/T-Mobile can't cover. I'd personally just recommend follow whichever has the fastest, but that might not be very friendly on the wallet.
All in all, just stick with a 500mb plan, I usually use that much and I even use metrotube (3rd party youtube app) fairly often. I can't say though, I'm on my mother's plan still and its 20GBs shared with the HomeFusion thingy (VZW is our home ISP, still better than satellite though.)
Or, have you thought of a pay as you go phone? I thought I saw one for AT&T and one for T-Mobile. I can't really recommend anything on price though.
Hope that helps a bit.
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I keep using rooting in place of 'being able to unlock and flash' I guess. But an article I read today was complaining about HTC and their 'unlocking' issues.
I'm aware the ATIV does have better specs, but I haven't liked the feel of their HW since the Moment, it just feels cheap and light. Not that the XT isn't light and I don't like that either, coming from the likes of the Touch Pro and Touch Pro2 I currently use. I also don't really want a tablet for a phone lol, but I am disappointed that Sprint keeps wanting WVGA devices from HTC
The reason in looking for the WiFi tether is I'm putting Is Galaxy Tab 2 in my Mazda 6 and would like to use it occasionally for nav, and I doubt it has native USB hosting.
So having said all that, what's the SIM trick?
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Did I read correctly... you're currently using a HTC Touch Pro 2?
What service plan do you currently have with Sprint?
I'm curious since I'm having a similar dilemma you are facing.
Well, as of that post, yes. I just dumped Sprint after 13 years cause i wanted a Nokia and the 810 was exactly what i wanted. I was on the Everything Talk/Text 450 with a special $3.50 unlimited data plan. If you can look past the internet programming itself into Opera's oblivion and the lack of apps for things you have to use the website for, stay with Sprint. I do NOT recommend the 8XT and the ATIV S Neo just wasnt grabbing anything on the 'like' column. So far with T-Mo ive only found one spot i dont have full 4G coverage at and all i need to do is walk out the door to get it back.
Whats crazy is i still only use around 250megs of data and i have Twitter, WWF, 4 emails accounts 2 of which check every 30 mins. Now that i finally got Sims Free installed ill probably use more data, but still, no where near the 2.5gigs i pay for. Also, for two lines, i pay $100/month for unlimited talk/text and 2.5 gigs of data for 2 lines and thats before my 15% discount. Beat that Sprint. Oh, wait, you cant.
Stupid website...
if you're interested in hacking your phone, get the ATIV. Samsung's diagnosis app (built into the phone) is making messing with WP8 easy. You're able to directly edit the registry and do all sorts of stuff