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I would like to start a thread about the things that are annoying, don't work right, or were not designed optimally.
I realize that this device is incredible and that no device will be perfect for all.
I don't have mine yet, but for those who do, please share your thoughts....
Thanks.
Well, normal phone usage is not possible right now. Its handsfree or nothing.
It would have been nice if they made something, like a modified stylus or what, with a mini cord (usb?), wich you can hold on your ear so that it would be possible to use it like a normal phone.
At least they could have made a extra earphone loudspeaker on the other side of the mic.
But as you suggest its a little minus on a nearly perfect device
I've ordered one of these for use with my Ameo -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-LG-BLUETO...yZ133234QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
It's a bluetooth handset, rather than a headset.
I'll let you know how well it works when it arrives.
It's not available in europe...
hybride said:
It's not available in europe...
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It is. If you have a Ebay account, your shipping bill is automatically calculated to your address. That is why the shipping button is unclickable
We, in indonesia face so many problem to buy accessories for athena... no store...long time waiting....
lucky you all...
Graphic. I really can't understand why is much cheaper PSP able to play any video in better quality than Ameo which is much more expensive (10 times more expensive Ameo)? I know it is just device for bussines but at least they could put some better graphic chip for Ameo or do something to play normal video.
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Graphic. I really can't understand why is much cheaper PSP able to play any video in better quality than Ameo which is much more expensive (10 times more expensive Ameo)? I know it is just device for bussines but at least they could put some better graphic chip for Ameo or do something to play normal video.
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My video quality is as good as a PSP (if not better)
Slave1 said:
My video quality is as good as a PSP (if not better)
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I am very glad to hear that
I just bought my Dopod U1000 not even 5 hours ago. My first impression seemed to be deteriorated at least by these following drawbacks
1. It can't really be used like any other normal phones: HTC should have known that ppl with need for this kind of gadget expect "all in one" functionality of the device so that they wouldn't have to carry many pieces of jigsaws to make just a simple call. I can't imagine how I could make calls during the day after my headset's battery dies.
2. Since the screen is huge, they should have included some software that allows icon size downward adjustment.
3. No vibration: I guess I gotta keep peeping at the device every time during my meeting
4. WM5: My addict to Crossbow has caused me some pain, even temporarily
Ken_xda said:
I just bought my Dopod U1000 not even 5 hours ago. My first impression seemed to be deteriorated at least by these following drawbacks
1. It can't really be used like any other normal phones: HTC should have known that ppl with need for this kind of gadget expect "all in one" functionality of the device so that they wouldn't have to carry many pieces of jigsaws to make just a simple call. I can't imagine how I could make calls during the day after my headset's battery dies.
2. Since the screen is huge, they should have included some software that allows icon size downward adjustment.
3. No vibration: I guess I gotta keep peeping at the device every time during my meeting
4. WM5: My addict to Crossbow has caused me some pain, even temporarily
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i guess you should know what you are buying before you actually do. the icon size can be small if you use the VGA hack, WM6 will be out eventually, for the phone, well, can't say much about it, i knew it before i bought mine, so i don't really mind.
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Graphic. I really can't understand why is much cheaper PSP able to play any video in better quality than Ameo which is much more expensive (10 times more expensive Ameo)? I know it is just device for bussines but at least they could put some better graphic chip for Ameo or do something to play normal video.
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Do you have an Ameo yet schoofter? If so, try a DVD-Rip....the quality on the Ameo is short of High definition on my screen...but certainly DVD quality at worst.
I was just commenting earlier today how great this device really is. It's an all rounder, but I agree that it would have been closer to my dream device if they had substituted the ATI chip for the Nvidia 5500 GPU.
wu5262 said:
i guess you should know what you are buying before you actually do. the icon size can be small if you use the VGA hack, WM6 will be out eventually, for the phone, well, can't say much about it, i knew it before i bought mine, so i don't really mind.
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@Wu, what VGA hack?
faisal.husain said:
@Wu, what VGA hack?
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it basically is a hack to make your device looks like real VGA, so you can display a lot more item on the screen. Try searching OzVGA, it's quite good
wu5262 said:
it basically is a hack to make your device looks like real VGA, so you can display a lot more item on the screen. Try searching OzVGA, it's quite good
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Ok, cool been reading a thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299460) about a guy who cant get ozVga working correctly, can you get it working correctly?
faisal.husain said:
Ok, cool been reading a thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299460) about a guy who cant get ozVga working correctly, can you get it working correctly?
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sorry i don't use real VGA
Pantaloonie said:
I've ordered one of these for use with my Ameo -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-LG-BLUETO...yZ133234QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
It's a bluetooth handset, rather than a headset.
I'll let you know how well it works when it arrives.
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Let us know how you get on. I for one am holding off on buying an Advantage until I find a solution like this that works well. Some of the reviews I've seen seem to indicate the device has a problem staying paired.
Looking forward to your update
Well. my LG Style-i arrived to day, and I'm well pleased with it.
It is simple to pair, and simple to use. It's smaller than I expected, and pretty cool looking - it has the 'what the hell is that' factor, closely followed by 'and what the hell is that' when I pull out the Ameo.
Voice command works perfectly through it, the sound quality is excellent, and on full volume it's very loud, easily loud enough to use in a noisy pub.
I've (hopefully) attached a couple of pics so you can see the size against the Ameo.
It cost a total of £44 including shipping from the US, but hey, I would only have spent it on beer.....
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Some of the reviews I've seen seem to indicate the device has a problem staying paired.
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Not seen that mentioned anywhere, and I've not experienced that in the 9 days or so I've been using the Ameo - unless you are referring to the handset, and that has stayed paired all day without problems.
Hello,
i've been a "reasonably" happy user of my x1 since it's launch day and
was wondering if the HD2 is a worthwhile replacement as I'm used to using WM and not a great lover of the iphone.
I am due an upgrade in May next year, but my x1 was damaged in a motorbike accident and it's taking ages for the third party insurance to sort payments out
and I miss my x1 (for emails/music/web browsing etc)
I was thinking of ordering a HTC HD2 from devicewire and hopefully get some money from the insurance to pay towards it eventually.
but
will i not be overwhelmed by it or will a better phone be out come may.
thanks
Joe
Forget about buying it, you can just look at pictures of the HD2 and it's already worth it over the X1.
It's funny to be worried about being overwhelmed by it and then be concerned if a better phone will be out next may, to may be overwhelm you even more.
I have a friend who went from an X1 to a Touch Pro 2 and he say's it so much better than his X1. If your gonna to miss the keyboard then don't get the HD2 but a 1GHz processor with a 4.3" capacitive screen will should be the best WM experience to date.
yosagojimbo said:
Hello,
i've been a "reasonably" happy user of my x1 since it's launch day and
was wondering if the HD2 is a worthwhile replacement as I'm used to using WM and not a great lover of the iphone.
I am due an upgrade in May next year, but my x1 was damaged in a motorbike accident and it's taking ages for the third party insurance to sort payments out
and I miss my x1 (for emails/music/web browsing etc)
I was thinking of ordering a HTC HD2 from devicere and hopopefully get some money from the insurance to pay towards it eventually.
but
will i not be overwhelmed by it or will a better phone be out come may.
thanks
Joe
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I still have a working x1. Since my hd2 arrived it's just been lying on the corner of a shelf. Thanks to the snapdragon, the fast and snappy response is more than enough to compensate for the keyboard. And the screen.. its just majestic. You can also touch type pretty decently on it. The battery life is some what a downer. Well, if I remember correctly; during the early days, the x1's battery life was not all that impressive. Hoping after some time and effort from the xda-dev communi thts i issue will be solved to some degree. Try to go to a store to see if you can get a live demo and play with it to see if the size and etc are ok with you.
thanks,
i've been into my local o2 shop and they've not even heard of it (shrugs..lol)
I know that teething issues etc can be sorted using the wonderful help from xda-dev, and my main point of concern was loosing the keyboard
(but considering the keyboard on my x1 was not he most responsive then I guess that shouldn't be a deal breaker).
I know a few people are concerned about the HD2 having problems/issues
but i imagine a high percentage of people are really happy with theirs
as you normally only see posts regarding problems, not "I happy with mine and it works great" posts.
sounds like i've sold it to myself anyway....lol
I'll have to buy it soon as VAT goes up in jan so the prices will go up
Hi, I went from the X1 to the HD2 and haven't looked back at all.
I was very unsure about buying a WM phone without a d-pad, i had the TP2 and didin't like it at all, but the HD2 is soo much better, it is so instantly fast and the screen is great that you really don't need a d-pad or physical keyboard.
There were some games that I couldn't use anymore, so there are some sacrifices to do.
I still miss a d-pad here and there (specially when I use the phone and I want to call someone who I previously called) but not enough to make me go back to the X1.
Overall very happy with the HD2 for me it's a keeper. At least until the next one comes around
Same here, from X1 to HD2 never looking back.
Faster, better reception. The screen is huge, looking back at the X1 it's like looking at a mini minor.
I love this phone, never going back.
erosennin said:
Same here, from X1 to HD2 never looking back.
Faster, better reception. The screen is huge, looking back at the X1 it's like looking at a mini minor.
I love this phone, never going back.
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Me too. Everything you can do on the X1 can be done better on the HD2.
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Me too. Everything you can do on the X1 can be done better on the HD2.
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...and in most (if not all) cases, it dare to say even *much* better.
Just an example:
Next to all the advantages of the huge screen, some really practical issues are
extremely obvious: With X1, I never had a satfix like with HD2. The reception
is as good as my external Holux receiver, navigation works for me as if I had
a PNA unit.
As a frequent flasher of different ROMs, I must say the "real thing" feels so
much better...
well blokes,
I ordered one in the early hours of the morning and it should be in my hands tomorrow
yosagojimbo said:
well blokes,
I ordered one in the early hours of the morning and it should be in my hands tomorrow
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I've done the same as you ..ordered sim free del'd tomorrow by 12pm
My X1 is shaped like a banana now it has that many cracks
I've still not got mine from devicewire yet
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well blokes,
I ordered one in the early hours of the morning and it should be in my hands tomorrow
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Have you got it yet?
And there's not just blokes on here
johncmolyneux said:
Have you got it yet?
And there's not just blokes on here
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oops
although I'd think johncmolyneux was a blokes id ....lol
anyway, still not got it
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...and in most (if not all) cases, it dare to say even *much* better.
Just an example:
Next to all the advantages of the huge screen, some really practical issues are
extremely obvious: With X1, I never had a satfix like with HD2. The reception
is as good as my external Holux receiver, navigation works for me as if I had
a PNA unit.
As a frequent flasher of different ROMs, I must say the "real thing" feels so
much better...
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Totally agree.
Haven't missed my X1 at all since I've had my HD2. I too thought that the lack of keyboard would be an issue (my main reason for getting the X1) but the on screen keyboard is at least as good as the hw keyboard on the X1.
Combine that with the fact that everything you do on an HD2 just happens as soon as you click it - no more waiting for the camera to eventually take a picture or wondering if you clicked to pick up an incoming call or not
As for the GPS - it's brilliant. Last night, indoors, it took six seconds to pick up nine satellites - even my TomTom external receiver can't match that.
yosagojimbo said:
although I'd think johncmolyneux was a blokes id ....lol
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I'm just trying to look sensitive in front of the girls in here lol
yosagojimbo said:
anyway, still not got it
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Gutting. Don't worry about it - I've got mine, so at least one of us is okay
Got mine
just gotta back up my x1 before i try to transfer everything across
i killed my x1 because of the keyboard. i am happy with my HD2
I passed from x1 to HD2 (still have my x1 though) but is way different, no regrets at all
I have also gone from an x1 to a hd2. when I look now at my x1, the screen is so tiny! When I got the X1 i definately felt like it needed some modifications, and I couldn't wait to start flashing newROMs but I don't feel like that with the HD2 at all!
Hello!
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
Any other thoughts are also welcome=)
Thanx!
1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.
1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.
1. I've noticed that many apps became available later in the Market after devs added the QVGA tag for them. But it's still something greatly missed.
2. The smaller screen is a slight disadvantage which I was fully aware of when purchasing it, though the 7 home screens kinda make up for it.
3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
4. Probably till the end of this year.
5. I'm pleased with the build quality. No issues there.
6. All I can say is weigh the pros and cons and decide for yourself. I bought this just to gain experience with Android.
Thanx alot for your input guys!
Sorry for the long questions, I thought I wouldn't get any answers because of that=)
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3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope
that it will provide you with a richer experience!
Me and my brother are currently looking at both the HTC Tattoo and the samsung i5700 "spica". Both phones has issues though.
What worries me the most is that the Tattoo might be a bit laggy and that is why I have such hopes in 2.1.
The Tattoo also seems more sturdy than the spica and I'm almost certain that I will accidently drop it some time.
I also like the fact that you can change the cover.
Some follow up questions: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
I tried installing 2.1 today, but I got to the Tattoo screen during startup, and then went to a blank screen. Waited for about 10 mins. So recovered the phone, and installing other ROM's now.
PS: I'm in MOD-installing-mood this weekend!
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Some follow up questions[/B]: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
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I personally notice the lack of colour depth (coming from touch diamond) but its a payoff to having a phone that will fit comfortably in my pocket (unlike the Hero = chin)
Theres not that much blurriness (imho) but you can notice it. Overall its a good android experince but I will be looking to the desire or legend for my next phone as long as they pass my pocket test!!
ragzy said:
I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope that it will provide you with a richer experience
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So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hello!
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Hi mate!
ragzy said:
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
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With custom ROMs, the Market is fully available for Tattoo owners. This was the biggest issue I've had, since I'm a big lover of Twidroid and I can mark it as *SOLVED*!
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2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
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Well, the only real problem I have had is the full-qwerty keyboard in portrait mode. It's just a matter of attitude, though. Having used it for 4 months now, I'm able to write very long text messages in a very short time (even if I mainly twit ), and most of the time I disable the automatical corrector as I write both in Italian and in English. The very first days I was in a real pain, coming from a simple T9 Nokia, I felt the full-qwerty was really uncomfortable, but now everything is changed and I can't live without my full qwerty
So, I don't regret. Anyway, before buying the Tattoo I was taking some several looks at the Hero which should now cost around 300 EUR.
ragzy said:
3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
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I've never experienced lag with Tattoo but I'm not a big fan of gaming. I mainly use it for music, Google Maps (man, this is amazing!! I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
The only way to make the phone very laggy is to use the RadioFM along with the GPS, but it's not a "daily" thing you do I guess.
As for the 2.1 ROM it's amazing. Even if it has not Camera and some stuffs are buggy, it's a GREAT ROM, man it's faster than hell, amazing animations, rewritten Messagging and Google Talk apps which are GREAT, every contact has its own tab which is more than good-looking and.. it's great!
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4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
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TBH, I'm already planning to change the phone but this has nothing to do with the Tattoo, it's only that I really love the Nexus One and I'm waiting for the summer as it should be available in Italy and I should have enough money But, really, nothing to do with Tattoo, it's perfect for me.
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5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
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And.. this is a bad point. The plastic in which the stock cover is built it's not perfect. After a couple of months I've had some scratches (not in the display, though) and I'm now buying a new cover.
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6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
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Yes. If that is your budget and if you don't plan in gaming all day long the Tattoo is definitely a perfect phone for you. As you can see, I'm enthusiastic with it, I use it all day, I tweet, I go to Facebook while I'm on the train, I Google, I maps, I read newspapers, I.. do almost everything. Perfect.
i like my tattoo very much. i paid 60-70 euros for it and since I'm a quad rider I usually wear gloves and the screen let's me handle the phone without taking them off.
if my other phone was ok i would have waited for Nexus to launch.
probably in 2011 i will sell it or when nokia morph is launched... :-??
sheik_yerbouti said:
So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hey Sheik - I didnt realise the devs had a rom that was that close to being the finished item - any other probs withthe rom - i.e. all of the widgets and screen sizes ok? 3g or data and wifi ok etc?
Most of the perks, I can live with. Wi-Fi is a little dodgy, but I can partly blame my router for that. Speed and connectivity problems even with the stock ROM. Of all the widgets I have, they work fine. The Music player needs to be worked on as its size exceeds the Tattoo screen both in portrait and landscape mode. My phone doesn't have 3G. I'm still stuck on 2G, and it works just fine.
Thanx everyone for your replys!
Here is an update from me=)
I have had a spica home for testing but I'm sending it back today I did not like the build qualiy, also has less ram than tattoo, and no sense ui). Me and my brother got the spica for the same price as e new htc tattoo (spica was B-grade" though). No more B-grade for me, one of the charger pins was a bit bend and both the charger and the phone was really dusty, the seller assured it was not in "used condition" though.
I can't help but wonder if the Tattoo would have been a better choise=P
As Genargo pointed out, the tattoo seems to handle 2.1 pretty well (while other sources state that samsung spica lags when scrolling through menues and pulling up the menu (even though this is a official 2.1 release).
But our android craving has been put on ice, atleast for the moment.
gengaro said:
I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
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That sums it up quite nicely, I mean that is is for these kind of moments I want a android phone with me music / gaming and video (divx) is not that important. I guess I see it as a more portable netbook.
Perhaps I should wait and see how android matures, I bet there will be many new models this year. It's amazing how fast android is evolving. Too bad there is no perfect device, I bet there never will be. Another thing that worries me os the dust problem on bothe the HTC hero, Nexus one and the desire (?). Dust underneath the screen would drive me mad=P
Right now there does not seem to be a android phone with a really nice and sturdy buid quality out there. Legends aluminum would scratch too easyli in my opinion and I don't like the cheap feel of the buttons. Hero feels great, too bad that it has the "dust issue"=/
Ok, I will try to keep this short...I just thought this was kinda weird.....
I called to return my phone today, and when they asked if I had any other issues with it (besides the back cover not lining up with the phone) I said yes..and I described how the screen does not let you have two fingers on the same axis and gave them this example: when I was playing 'Prince of Persia' and it had the direction buttons on the lower left of the screen and across on the lower right of the screen were the other 'action buttons' and when I press both they either both do not work or only one will work. Now the rep said 'Oh, well that is because the nexus one does not have multi touch...it has pinch to zoom' ...in my mind I was like "wth?" haha, but is this just their excuse for the Synaptic touch sensor? It seems more as though they are trying to justify it instead of owning up to it...well my response was refering to the Htc incredible and the Supersonic which have new touch sensors that work better and I said I had wished the nexus one had the same...the rep said she was not aware of an update for the problem, but it is not out of the question...(I wondered if she realized I was talking about hardware not software, although hardware can be updated as well just not as easily...)...
Umm I'm not sure how much that tech actually knows, because I was playing a game on my N1....idr the name of it but it was a first-person shooter, and I was able to use the on-screen movement controls AND look around by dragging my finger across the screen at the same time.
I think that's because they are on two different horizontal axes.
N1 can detect TWO touch points at the same time, and thats according to the touch sensor manufacturer. I think the game, Prince of Persia, is not efficient enough for detecting two points at the same time. We should wait till 19th May and see what Google brings for gaming scene on android...
yeah the update is right around the corner, so i would be curious to see if it fixes that issue.
but i would not expect some customer service rep to know a damn thing about the Y-axis issue or what model the touch screen is synaptics clearpad 2000. you're giving them way too much credit. they just know it has pinch to zoom, and that's the end of it.
anyway that game should work OK using 2 touch points, but i havent tried it to know for sure. i have seen that there are other games that use 2 points and they work fine. i guess the game crosses the Y-axis is when it would not work, but i didnt know any type of those games exist yet. i admit it sucks that this limitation is present.
The error occurs if the two fingers are on the same axis ...i.e. horizontal / vertical from each other ...but if it is diagonal it should work...even slightly diagonal should work unless the two points get close to each others axis....this is not a software issue and I surely would love to see it fixed with a software update but I doubt this will be so...only time will tell.....now I would not blame it on Prince of Persia...check other games with the same control layout and see how it works...or even try something without the same layout and just use one control and touch your finger on the same axis of the control and you will see the error occur....
It sucks, a BRAND NEW 2010 phone, over $500....and yet cannot even use proper multitouch...even my old iphone 2g works better in the multitouch aspect....(sad and disappointing) ...it has all these nice specs but the multi touch aspect kills it for me...
People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
i can't think of two (one isn't really worth the think) reasons for a multi-touch sensor. pinch/zoom seems to work well for maps and pictures. not being a gamer means a good deal of drama is lost on me i suppose.
as far as the price of the n1, and being 'stuck' with the phone... that's laughable. anyone can sell their n1 TONIGHT on ebay or craigslist for 100% of what they paid for it from google, and then some in certain cases. smart phones co$t MONEY. beit an iphone, n1, n97, or whatever is going to be badass next summer. i _LIKE_ the idea of buying off contract, using a NO CONTRACT carrier, and selling/leaving when i want.
should a N1 come out for att/whoever without contract, with a sweet keyboard like the G1, i'd switch overnight. water proof ? i'm there. 12 mp camera with HD and a gig of rom space ? sweet.
this is more a rant thread than a progress in motion thread. if you feel you've been wronged or led by false advertising, sell your phone. get one that does everything you have to have. i don't recall anyone saying "holy **** it haz multi-touch i gotta haz it !!!!!" when the n1 was released.
that was much longer than i expected. shoulda just said "lol" and left it.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
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When I said made with quality, I was saying how much quality are put into Android's games. I was referring nothing to hardware issues.
Most Android games (to me) are horrible little 2D games that get boring in a few minutes. I don't even really "want" to play them, so therefore I don't need a complicated multi touch system until 'quality' games are made. Games that are worth playing for more than a few seconds, sadly to say, iPhone type games. Google is trying, though.
The only application that "plays" the games I want to play is GameBoid, where the multi-touch works perfectly. I can hold down a directional input, along with B, or A, and reform actions that result in those two presses perfectly. Such as running.
You seem to love to whine though, you did pay a lot for this phone though, I guess I would be pissed if this really mattered to me as well. Right now I'm like "whatever, who cares". It does what I want..
I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is no
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
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I've owned so many phones in my life, and every single one of them had some type of issue, defect, missing feature, or whatever. if the only complaint about the nexus is this one minor issue, than I say its a winner.
great so the original iPhone could do it, but it couldn't do pics with a flash, or copy/paste, or mms. so what scenario is better/worse? I say the nexus is the better situation by leaps and bounds.
if this issue is important to you then you should switch phones. for me its not that important. my Nokia n97 had a faulty camera lens issue that scratched itself when opening. every phone has its quirks. if the nexus ones quirk is this Y axis issue, then I proclaim we all are winners with such a minor issue.
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
haha damn, this IS becomming a 'rant' thread...sorry on my behalf for that didn't mean for it to come to that ...I am irritating myself right now with this thread... I just wanted to bring up what the rep had said it was kind of odd to hear that....but the issue she was referring to is something that bugs me..
Now in reference to the gba emulator comment, I haven't tried it but the SNES emu works fine (it has the directional pad diagonally across from the buttons, so it does not suffer from the so called 'y axis' error)
BTW I have some Nexus Cases, anyone interested ?
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
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Well, go get the best you can get for your money, i guess. Some people are satisfied with their nexus ones (nexii?)
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
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The iphone and the nexus are not competitors, strictly speaking. The devices are competing in different classes. If you feel that they are, you could probably do some research, which would give you a good idea of how they compare.
Less ranting please.
Hi guys!
I had (well stiill have it somewhere) an old HTC wizard and i loved it, XDAdevs helped me a lot with it but well, i needed and upgrade so I bought a Nokia 5800XM. Im happy with it, but now I have the opportunity to change it for an HTC dream, and Id really like to go back to HTC and I dont like symbian very much, Id like to give droid a try.
Yes, I did use the search, i thought there would be some thread like this (since they are similar devices and were released very close) but I couldnt find any.
So, I did comparisons between their specs, and for what i see, the main differences are, dream has qwerty keyboard (big plus, i dont like touch keyboards), capacitive screen (so i guess it means multitouch, vs 5800s resistive), 500something mhz and 192mb ram (5800= 128 ram 400something processor, not big difference but it is something) and hmmm, dont know i got lost.
The 5800 is a bit smaller, has a better screen (360x640 16M, vs Dreams 320x480 65K), FM radio, 3.5 jack (i dont know what kind of plug the dream uses, i would like to know please), TV out, more battery time, better camera (carl zeiss, flash (i use it as a flashlight and works really good), and secondary camera for videocall).. and i think thats it.
Now, you guys, as users, what would you recommend? well if im asking here i guess most of you would go for the dream, but please, tell me ANYTHING, EVERYTHING i should know before making the swap..
is accelerometer good? is GPS good? (my 5800 works fine, but it takes 10 minutes to find satellites so it makes it kind of useless for short trips through the city, it might be because im in Argentina tho)
what about music/video playback? build quality?
If you think i forgot something, or that there is anything i should know before going through with the swap, please let me know! also when im doing the exchange if i decide to go through with it, what should i check is ok and test so i dont get scammed with a broken device?
Sorry if its too long, hope you read it, and that you would help me! Im counting on you guys
Thanks!
You can have the most advanced hardware in the world, but with crap software, it is still junk. Dream is BY FAR the superior.
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Capacitive does NOT mean "multitouch". It means it has a HARD surface designed for use with your fingers. Resistive is a SOFT surface requiring (for proper use) a stylus.
FM radio, 3.5 jack (i dont know what kind of plug the dream uses, i would like to know please), TV out, more battery time, better camera (carl zeiss, flash (i use it as a flashlight and works really good), and secondary camera for videocall).. and i think thats it.
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There is no fm radio, the 3.5 headphone jack is available if you buy a converter from HTC's weird almost-USB plug, there is no tv out (can't think of a single reason you'd want this....), all phone cameras suck -- **ALL**.
Now, you guys, as users, what would you recommend? well if im asking here i guess most of you would go for the dream, but please, tell me ANYTHING, EVERYTHING i should know before making the swap..
is accelerometer good?
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Yes.
is GPS good? (my 5800 works fine, but it takes 10 minutes to find satellites so it makes it kind of useless for short trips through the city, it might be because im in Argentina tho)
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The GPS is good... if you do NOT have a DATA NETWORK CONNECTION, it can take a while to connect. WITH a data network connection, you get assisted GPS and very fast locks.
what about music/video playback?
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Hardware accelerated.
build quality?
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Haven't broken mine yet in near 2 years, so must be ok....
If you think i forgot something, or that there is anything i should know before going through with the swap, please let me know! also when im doing the exchange if i decide to go through with it, what should i check is ok and test so i dont get scammed with a broken device?
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Make sure it turns on and boots up. If it gets stuck rather than booting up, then it could have been bricked. Some people will do stupid things, like installing 1.33.2005 SPL and end up with a non-functional device.
thank you! thats all im looking for, some reassurement
Make sure it turns on and boots up. If it gets stuck rather than booting up, then it could have been bricked. Some people will do stupid things, like installing 1.33.2005 SPL and end up with a non-functional device.
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heh yeah i know, i mean some device specific stuff like.. with my old wizard, the miniUSB soldering was very weak, and also the buttons..
You can have the most advanced hardware in the world, but with crap software, it is still junk. Dream is BY FAR the superior.
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true.
Capacitive does NOT mean "multitouch". It means it has a HARD surface designed for use with your fingers. Resistive is a SOFT surface requiring (for proper use) a stylus.
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but with a capacitive multitouch can be achieved by software, whilst imposible with a resistive.. or well thats my guessing Dream is multitouch right?
There is no fm radio, the 3.5 headphone jack is available if you buy a converter from HTC's weird almost-USB plug, there is no tv out (can't think of a single reason you'd want this....), all phone cameras suck -- **ALL**.
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yeah i already have those converters in my wishlist, but i think that it will come with one. TV out is not of great use thats true, but it is a cool feature to display pictures and videos taken with the device, and also you can watch a movie or something (not the best quality but can be handy at times).
Yeah, all phone cameras suck, but I like to capture the moment and upload it on facebook to share with friends, and even if the quality is not the best, you can at least distinguish whats happening in the picture, even in clubs at night. also the app to use the flash leds as a flashlight is really usefull, but well i guess i could use a white screen app for that.
Haven't broken mine yet in near 2 years, so must be ok....
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thats really good to hear!
Again, thanks a lot!
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but with a capacitive multitouch can be achieved by software, whilst imposible with a resistive.. or well thats my guessing Dream is multitouch right?
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Incorrect on all accounts.
Dream is NOT multitouch -- not really, except with some nutty hacks that *kinda* work.
And your idea about multitouch being impossible with resistive... well my ASUS T91MT tablet/netbook would disagree with you. It has a resistive multitouch panel.
yeah i already have those converters in my wishlist, but i think that it will come with one.
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Highly unlikely that it will "come with" one. They did NOT ship with those converters from the factory, and not many people bother with them.... you know, with wired headsets being totally obsolete in favor of bluetooth.
Yeah, all phone cameras suck, but I like to capture the moment and upload it on facebook to share with friends, and even if the quality is not the best, you can at least distinguish whats happening in the picture, even in clubs at night.
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The camera works not too bad all things considered. I caught some pictures of a fox snooping around my house a few months ago, turned out nice, but taken outdoors in daylight. LED flashes don't work well -- they just don't give you the same kind of output that a proper flash will, so trying to use it in a dark and psychedelic place won't be yielding very good of results.
also the app to use the flash leds as a flashlight is really usefull, but well i guess i could use a white screen app for that.
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Just turning the display ON in a pinch works OK. I wired up a circuit breaker panel that way once.... however, if you want a flashlight, you should probably buy a flashlight.
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Incorrect on all accounts.
Dream is NOT multitouch -- not really, except with some nutty hacks that *kinda* work.
And your idea about multitouch being impossible with resistive... well my ASUS T91MT tablet/netbook would disagree with you. It has a resistive multitouch panel.
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I got it all wrong then :$
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Highly unlikely that it will "come with" one. They did NOT ship with those converters from the factory, and not many people bother with them.... you know, with wired headsets being totally obsolete in favor of bluetooth.
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yeah but i think the guy has one.. bt headsets are expensive here in the 3rd world...
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The camera works not too bad all things considered. I caught some pictures of a fox snooping around my house a few months ago, turned out nice, but taken outdoors in daylight. LED flashes don't work well -- they just don't give you the same kind of output that a proper flash will, so trying to use it in a dark and psychedelic place won't be yielding very good of results.
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should be enough then
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Just turning the display ON in a pinch works OK. I wired up a circuit breaker panel that way once.... however, if you want a flashlight, you should probably buy a flashlight.
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yeah but i wont be carrying a flashlight with me all the time lol
Thanks!
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yeah but i wont be carrying a flashlight with me all the time lol
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You should pick up a keyring flashlight like this:
http://www.sourcinggate.com/kaisaiw...ht-led-lamp-mini-size-keying-blue-p-7359.html
Just some words upon the topic: HTC Dream last official firmware is Android 1.6 Donut - it has no multitouch feature. But you can quite easily install Android 2.2 Froyo (CyanogenMOD e.g.) - it has such functionality. As the example, i can say that while navigating through picture gallery you can zoom in and out the image with two fingers movement - and it really works...
GPS: it takes one or two minutes outdoors to catch the satellites without AGPS.
Audioconverter HTC ExtUSB -> 3,5 audiojack costs $5 at ebay.com (item id 335ea04db3 e.g., sorry, no link due to new users policy of xda forum).
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Just some words upon the topic: HTC Dream last official firmware is Android 1.6 Donut - it has no multitouch feature. But you can quite easily install Android 2.2 Froyo (CyanogenMOD e.g.) - it has such functionality. As the example, i can say that while navigating through picture gallery you can zoom in and out the image with two fingers movement - and it really works...
GPS: it takes one or two minutes outdoors to catch the satellites without AGPS.
Audioconverter HTC ExtUSB -> 3,5 audiojack costs $5 at ebay.com (item id 335ea04db3 e.g., sorry, no link due to new users policy of xda forum).
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thanks for replying, i already have my dream!
if a "normal" person asked me what i would recommend, i would suggest they get the 5800.
me? im happy with my g1, i just need to find the right rom for me and also a high capacity non-extended battery. im getting one of those adapters this weekend
Hi jinxie
Have you got your new battery? seems like the 1700mAh battery is the largest that conforms to the original form factor.
For myself, I'm thinking of going with a remote that has a 3.5mm headphone port, probably HTC RC E100, instead of one of those multi port USB adapters.
I'm curious to know which ROM you went with?
hey!
i am just ordering the battery right now.. but intl delivery sucks big time for latin america.. so I will tell you in a month lol
about the adapter, i wanted it because the guy who i made the trade with forgot to give me the headphones that come with the device, but now i have them, and i must say im impressed, despite the looks they fit really well (and thats an issue for me, headphones often fall from my ears, but not these), and sound quality is great, even music with heavy bass sounds good, so i think im gonna stick with these for a while..
and about the rom, im open to suggestions, havent found what im looking for yet, CM6 didnt work for me, im currently using biffmod but not happy with it neither, i wanted to try superF, but im not sure if all the issues it had are fixed yet, also i was waiting for the OTA release, so there must be some new stuff now, but actually what i was really looking for was an equivalent for the dream of the milestone's eclairless, i want the most RAM available i can get without the hack (im rethinking that), im really sick of FCs.
i might flash something today as i came to XDA today to look for a ROM, hope i find sth interesting.. what are you using?
I broke my last dream going from CM6.0.0 to biff's. I did manage to get another second hand dream, in good condition, of craig's list and i'm going to chill on rooting for now.
So, did you order a battery that requires a special back cover? For myself, I ordered the 1700mAh battery, just because I really like my case and I wouldn't be able to use my case with one of the super sized batteries that change the form factor.
I really miss having the music controls on the lockscreen and I can't seem to get that feature,at least for free, on cupcake with the stock music app, so I ordered a remote with headphones because, the stock HTC headphones, though sound awesome but are too big for my ears, and keep falling out. With this remote, since it has a 3.5mm jack, I should be able to use my favorite earbuds from sony, that is if I don't like the ones that come with my order.
I attached a picture of the remote / headphones
The most annoying thing I'm finding, is only having sixty megs or so, for apps, and not being able to remove the stock stuff included that I don't use, like Quickoffice, and such.
yeah i saw that remote, looks cool, but i heard that it might not work depending on the rom youre using.. or sth like that, look it up here in the accesories forum..
how did you "break" it? didnt you just brick it? im sure theres some way to recover it.. but tell me how you did it because i dont want to do the same.
still havent flashed anything new yet, since with the low bat life i get im not using the phone that much, but i might try the new cyanogen 6.1.. but im not sure yet..
btw yes i also ordered the 1700mah, the pohne is big and heavy as it is, with an extended battery i might aswell buy a netbook :/
chences are that you will get your bat way before i get mine, so tell me how much more juice you get from it!
edit: so finally today i flashed chromatic 3.9.1.1 (eclair)
so far so good, very fast, i changed adw launcher for launcher pro, now i want to remove all the extra stuff i dont need/use. then lets see how it goes with all my apps loaded, lets give it a few days
here's my post from the CM forum: regarding my broken Dream. I believe there is a JTAG solution, but I figured just get another used for cheap instead of taking the nonbooting dream apart, buying the necessary equipment, learning how to fix it, or getting someone else to, etc. now I'm using it as an extra charger.
The remote I order wasn't the one I really wanted, but it's coming with the earbuds I prefer, instead of the stock ones that are way too big for my ears.
If I still have this phone, I might get one of the 2850mAh batteries just to see if I can get a full days use on a single charge. But I'm thinking of getting a HTC Desire Z from bell off contract, and using it with rogers.