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Pocket Outlook email storage location patch..

Hi all,
Not sure if anyone saw this:
http://www.elgix.com/products/index.htm
It looks like a patch to change the location for email storage location (not attachments but the actual emails). Patch says it's for the MPx but do you guys think it will work work with the Magician? Anyone brave enough to give it a try?

Using Pocket Outlook Storage patch on Magician.
Hi All,
First of all, we have NOT tested this patch on any device other than the MPx. Generally speaking the patch should work on any device running PPC 2003/SE, but there is one issue. The MPx has 16Mb of built-in flash memory called ResidentFlash. What we've done is we've hard-coded the path to this ResidentFlash in the program, and you can select where you want your Outlook data -- either in the internal memory, the storage card (if one is available), or in the ResidentFlash (which won't be available on the Magician). This means that it should be possible to use the storage card, but you'll still see the ResidentFlash option, which won't work. If you install this on any device other than an MPx, do NOT select ResidentFlash. We might update the control panel applet to remove the ResidentFlash option when it's not available.
Please send mail to [email protected] if you have any questions.
Enjoy,
-- Eldad.

Just installed the patch on the magician and it works very well. Right after changing the location of the mails, i just put my whole exchange box on my device !! Now i always have everything with me, thanks for this patch guys !!

thanks for the patch........ works great on my imate jam and love it...... another idea can you make a patch to move the SMS messages to the storage card?! it would be great if it you could....
thank you again

Was just about to ask if there was a hack a registry tweak for this when this patch arrived.
Unfortunately, I can't get it to work on my MDA. After transferring all my emails from internal memory to the storage card, I can no longer read the body of the message. The email still appears in my inbox, but the text is missing.
Fortunately, I just re-transferrd all the emails from the storage card to the internal memoery and everything seems fine again.

jian said:
Was just about to ask if there was a hack a registry tweak for this when this patch arrived.
Unfortunately, I can't get it to work on my MDA. After transferring all my emails from internal memory to the storage card, I can no longer read the body of the message. The email still appears in my inbox, but the text is missing.
Fortunately, I just re-transferrd all the emails from the storage card to the internal memoery and everything seems fine again.
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I tried this on my O2 Mini (running Anansky's ROM with 27MB storage) and had the same problem. The emails appear in Inbox but the body is empty when i click on them. Moved the email back to Internal Memory and its ok again.
Anyway, it would be really nice if "Storage" is included as an option in addition to the existing "ResidentFlash, Internal Memory, Storage Card". Those using the 27MB storage can move the emails there.

Must soft-reset the device before relocating emails.
jian and patrickquek,
Did you make sure to soft-reset your devices after installing the patch? It sounds like the program was installed, but the device wasn't restarted -- that's exactly what would cause emails to appear blank.
We are preparing another version that uses the "Storage" folder instead of "ResidentFlash". That would work for HTC devices such as the Magician, Blue Angel, etc. This version should be available before the end of the week.
-- Eldad.

I am lost (
Guys, can you direct me how to move e-mail to storage card, please?
I installed the patch, however cannot find any interface to work with.
I have a JAM.
Thanking you in advance.

noviur,
When you click the Start button, go to Settings, and then click the System tab, do you see an item called "Outlook Storage"? That's where you can control your outlook storage settings. Please let me know if this item is not available on your device.
Thanks,
-- Eldad.

Thank you, ldoogy.
After checking System tab i could not find it mentioned below item, however I did installation to the Card instead of default location - that was the reason why it did not work.
I had to reinstall it and not it works as you said. So thank you and for sure moving SMS files would be really an asset
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hi ldoogy,
Thanks for coming here and helping us out. Anyways I am having a couple of issues with the app. It seems like I am able to move existing emails from internal memory to storage card and vise versa but like the previous 2 posters above, the contents on the email is missing. The attachments are there but the body text of the email is not showing. Moving it back to internal memory clears that problem. Another issue I am having is that whenever I get a new email, the email is still default to internal memory instead of storage card. I made sure storage card was selected in the app and soft resets has performed. Maybe I misunderstand what the purpose of this app is. Is it app only intend to move existing emails and not new emails coming in? Thanks again for this app and all your help! Looking forward to hearing from you.

Hi All,
Looks like our patch only works on the MPx for now. We've now tested it in-house on a PDA2K and got the same results. The storage redirection mechanism just doesn't work on the HTC devices. We are currently working on a fix for this problem and will hopefully post it in the next few days. I would recommend that you refrain from installing this patch on any HTC devices until we have resolved these issues.
I will post a message once we have a version that works on HTC devices (I expect we'll have one version that will work for both Magician and Blue Angel).
Cheers,
-- Eldad.

The elgix outlook storage icon does appear in my system folder and it seems to have succeeded in moving my messages (took about 9 mins).
There is a (new?) directory on my card called messaging filled with *.mpb files. Am I correct in assuming that these are the message files and that the patch worked fine on my MDA Compact with T-mobile english rom ?
Many thanks,
Martin

thinksmart said:
The elgix outlook storage icon does appear in my system folder and it seems to have succeeded in moving my messages (took about 9 mins).
There is a (new?) directory on my card called messaging filled with *.mpb files. Am I correct in assuming that these are the message files and that the patch worked fine on my MDA Compact with T-mobile english rom ?
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Martin, you are correct that the .mpb files are the message files, but moving them is really just the first part of what the patch does. The real purpose of the patch is to redirect file requests from Outlook to the storage card. The problem that most people here seem to be having is that the redirection doesn't work, which results in all of their email messages showing up as empty when viewed from Outlook. For now the solution is to copy the messages back to the internal memory. We're currently trying to figure out why the redirection isn't working.
-- Eldad.

Re: Must soft-reset the device before relocating emails.
ldoogy said:
jian and patrickquek,
Did you make sure to soft-reset your devices after installing the patch? It sounds like the program was installed, but the device wasn't restarted -- that's exactly what would cause emails to appear blank.
We are preparing another version that uses the "Storage" folder instead of "ResidentFlash". That would work for HTC devices such as the Magician, Blue Angel, etc. This version should be available before the end of the week.
-- Eldad.
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a little late now seeing that you have already established the cause of the problem, but yes, i did reset the device after instaling the patch!
Thanks for the feedback!

ldoogy said:
Hi All,
Looks like our patch only works on the MPx for now. We've now tested it in-house on a PDA2K and got the same results. The storage redirection mechanism just doesn't work on the HTC devices. We are currently working on a fix for this problem and will hopefully post it in the next few days. I would recommend that you refrain from installing this patch on any HTC devices until we have resolved these issues.
I will post a message once we have a version that works on HTC devices (I expect we'll have one version that will work for both Magician and Blue Angel).
Cheers,
-- Eldad.
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Thanks for helping out!

Thanks!!
I also got the same problem of blank emails...

WARNING! BEWARE !!!
ldoogy , thanks for your response.
After running the patch everything seemed fine, but I then realised that I couldn't open outlook anymore.
Then tried a soft reset, but the machine wouod no longer reboot because it would hang with a message something like "autocheckrun or one of it's components can't be found. After a minute it would reboot again, and again.... Tried without memory inserted but didn't help.
Had to hard reset and restore a backup.
I'm running an ms exchange email account, could that have something to do with my issue?
Thanks,
Martin

problems overview
Interesting,
I did not have any of the above mentioned problems with my JAM. Everything was working fine, until..... I connected my JAM to my desktop for synchronization.... ActiveSync in JAM could not get initialized and I had to to HR.
So the patch is very useful, however better to wait for the one, specifically for JAM.
Hoping to see it soon
Thank you

I had the same Problems as thinksmart: after the softreset, my blue angel wasn't able to find bttrayicon or so. Needed to perform a hardreset and backup data. Kept me awake until four o clock in the morning...

Just started getting "storage memory is critically low&

Hope somebody can give me a quick answer to this one.
I got up this morning to find that my MDA Pro is now reporting the "storage memory is critically low" error. Previous to this I'm *sure* it had at least 5Mb available. I've not installed anything (for weeks) so really can't understand it. What it has done in the meantime is synced my mail but all attachments are due to be soted on teh stoage card (but when checking the mail account settings there are currently 0k of attachments being stored).
I have soft-reset the device with no change in the storage space.
What I'd like to find is a utility that will tell me folder sizes so I can see what is being taken up where .... can't seem to find anything as yet that is free.
Any suggestions for software or any suggestions full stop?

mate,
I had a similar issue, check you haven't been inadvertently pressing the record button and making note recordings.
Go into notes and check it from there
Cheers

numanoids said:
mate,
I had a similar issue, check you haven't been inadvertently pressing the record button and making note recordings.
Go into notes and check it from there
Cheers
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That's what it was for me. Well, something very similar.

check the internet cache and the terminal server cache if you use it, these can grow quickly without realising. I have started immediately deleting cache content everytime I finish.
ie menu tools options, 2nd tab delete offline.

That is true. I gained 13MB by deleteing the offline cache files.

Yup I.E. Cache, plus, i also had my emails (mainly voicemail .wav file attachments) saving onto the main memory, it's in the messages folder under windows.
I deleted those, and moved my storage for my email attachments to my SD card.
Freed up like 15mb like this..

Great work
Many thanks guys, I have been searching for all sorts of methods to free up some memory. I had installed alot of programes on my XDA Exec and thought I have used up all my memory and was strugling to get some memory back. But this trick of deleting offline files from the Internet Explorer is just given me 13.77MB. Walla, many thanks again.

cache size
I think the problem is that the cache size is set to some ridiculously high number in the registry, but there's no way to change it. I tried many times to reduce it from the apparent 16MB setting (I think it was 16MB) in MemMaid, but after a soft reset, it goes back to 16MB. Anybody have a solution to this?

Get Memmaid and run it once in a while..

Just started getting "storage memory is critically low
I use Memmaid and got it to put my IE & Avantgo cache on SD card

gunigugu said:
Yup I.E. Cache, plus, i also had my emails (mainly voicemail .wav file attachments) saving onto the main memory, it's in the messages folder under windows.
I deleted those, and moved my storage for my email attachments to my SD card.
Freed up like 15mb like this..
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can you walk me through how this would work. Do I just cut and paste the folder. Will I still be able to access the attachments?

Storage Card/Outlook problems

I have recently bought an HTC P3600 and all was going well until I configured Outlook to store attachments on my storage card. Very shortly afterwards, 3/4 of the contents of my storage card were gone and my HTC was "seeing" 2 storage cards (the 1st only having a mail attachment directory and the second having both the mail attachment directory and what was left of my card contents). Phoning HTC directly, they admitted that a few people had contacted them with similar problems (essentially Outlook screwing around with the files on a storage card). HEEELLLLP!!
- Ideally, this wouldn't have been a problem if Active sync did storage cards (another discussion perhaps). Is there a utility (pref. freeware) that will automatiicaly backup/sync storatge cards as soon as the PC sees them?
- I guess it might be that the files are still on the card but that the pointer has been lost; is there a utility (again pref freeware) that could have a go at trying to recover these files?
- Anyone else seen this problem or know of a solution?
Thanks,
Madmike1415.

r u using WM5Storage?

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r u using WM5Storage?
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I'm not sure what WM5 storage is. I am using a Transcend 2GB card.

it's a program that allows the windows mobile to connect to a pc as if it were a usb hard drive, no need for active sync. It can cause the 2 storage card issue if u config messaging to save attachments to the storgae card.
Just wondered if it was this that was causing ur issues.

SKtools renames Storage Card?

I wanted to store my messages on my Storage Card. So to do this i used SKtools. So far so good. After a soft reset no programs are working anymore.
After some research I found out that my messages indeed were stored @ Storage Card\my messages ...BUT the REAL Storage Card was renamed to Storage Card2. That was the reason programs are no longer working.
I really dont now why SKtools should create a new folder with teh same name. Anyone knows this problem?

It's not SKTools renaming your card, it's your HD2.
I posted a few things about this early on and got no interest or response - you are the first person other than me who has tried this (apparently!).
In the absense of a more definitive answer, I am assuming that the storage card is slow to mount on the HD2, so the system can't find it when initialising mail and so creates it's own 'Storage Card' folder. When the real card is mounted it is therefore named 'Storage Card2'.
As for what to do about it... Well, there is talk dating back a couple of years about delaying the loading of mail applications to give the card a chance to mount, but that dates back to WM5 and WM6 and relates to disabling the mail plugin on the Today Screen. With that in mind I tried checking the Startup Folder and removed the link to poutlook that was in there, but it made no difference.
It may just be another example of where HTC in trying to improve the interface have badly impacted what was a crucial piece of functiuonality for me - the ability to move my mail to the Storage Card. Given the issues being reported with storage space on the device, this is a major pain!
You can at least use the system software to send any attachments to the Storage Card - that works without issue.

Holy Grail: Save mail (not just attachements) on SD Card on HTC HD2

Ok,
My aim is to save all mail (not just attachments) on The SD Card for wm6 devices specifically htc hd2
forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-298646.html
been there done that, the "storage card2" problem is persistent (on this device) even if it remains "storage card" after 5-6 reboots; sooner or later it is renamed "storage card2" and a new "storage card" folder is created at the root of your device where all new mail starts to get stored... :-(
the issue really is that he sd card is recognized after the registry tweaks / are executed at boot up
So, how do we make sure that the OS to recognizes SD Card first before the mail starts at boot-up or teh registry tweaks are executed
i have tried all other things like (without success)
1. disable sense,
2. use windows default theme & remove messaging plugin from today's home screen
3. place a shortcut of SD card folder in teh start-up folder
4. deleted all other items in startup folder which load at boot
5. formatted the sd card as fat 16 / fat 32 with all possible sector sizes...
u name it i have done it .. does not work..
what we need are some serious registry tweaks... anyone interested ? any suggestions ?
One suggestion i have in mind (for someone who knows how to write cab / .exe files) is to create a small program to enable and disable the following registry tweak at boot-up and shut-down a shortcut of whoch can then be placed on the screen.
before shutdown - click to disable
after boot up - click to enable
HKLM\System\Inbox\Settings
add "PropertyPath" value="\Storage Card\Mail" datatype="string"
add "AttachPath" value="\Storage Card\Mail\Attachments"="string"
Regards

I'm crying out for the same solution. My internal memory is critically low. I've tried pocket mechanic which didn't work. I'm down to plain text email with attachments on storage card and I'm still out of room. And yes, I need access to a large database of emails on the go. It was my primary reason for returning to winmo and getting the HD2 after a 6 year hiatus.

given hosted exchange a thought?? (4 bucks a month or so)

profimail runs entirely from the SD card and is much better than the standard outlook email client.
http://www.lonelycatgames.com/?app=profimail
Cheers David

trying profimail 3.26
Hello
I'm trying profimail 3.26 and results are not quite well.
application crash often, i found no integration with today or sense on any forum, and the design make me think to old DOS application.
Good if you need to have a backup of a mailbox on your pda but not very usefull for every day for me.
If some of you have a better idea, i'll take it.

Isnt't it possible with SK-Tools?
http://www.s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_feat.html

after profimail
For those who want to use something like profimail to have a mail client on sdcard with sdcard storage see rather free softwares. I found nPOPuk but there is probably many other.

BUMP.
Please, we need a solution to this. We need to be able to successfully save email, not just email attachments, to the storage card, on the HD2, with the Storage Card 2 issue.

???
As said before profimail, or nPOPuk do that ! Not with outlook mobile but this work before a better solution

Supposedly this app does it, as per line 66 on the app details screen:
http://www.tweaks2k2.com
No guarantees that it'll work though, and you may have to hard reset if it breaks something! The software is ANCIENT, might I add. Even on the support forums, the last post was Aug 2009, and the last one before that was 2008 sometime!
To be honest, I would second the idea of getting an Exchange account. MUCH easier, sync the last two weeks or month or what have you, and just use the Search Server feature (built into Outlook Mobile) to get older things.

Don't work with hd2 with french language. a try more lol

The OP is spot on.
Any number of apps and manual tweaks that used to work on other devices do not work on the HD2 and never will unless we can work out and sort the root cause.
To the best of my knowledge the issue is that something is initialising the mail store before the storage card is mounted. Because this happens the device can't find its mail store on 'storage card' and so creates it own 'storage card' in device memory. When the real card is mounted it becomes 'storage card 2'.
Like the OP I have tried disabling everything I can think of that might be causing this behaviour but to no avail. I suspect there is some sort of pre-loader for Sense that runs very early on in the device start up to prepare the device for the Sense UI, but can't prove that. However until we find out what it is and how to delay it somewhat, we aren't going to get mail on the storage card.
I have no solutions, but I can confirm the scale of the challenge!

have tried Flexmail, profimail, npopuk,... (all good rated clients) nothing able to do the job correctly.
Always unable to download all mails and attachements or to see it correctly.
Just incredible to see that in 2010 with a phone like HD2.
Softwares like opera show pretty good html and is usefull, downloading file is not too hard. Why is it so hard or impossible to find a good mail client ? The first Outlook Express on PC do better than that and is now very old.

weareborg said:
I'm crying out for the same solution. My internal memory is critically low. I've tried pocket mechanic which didn't work. I'm down to plain text email with attachments on storage card and I'm still out of room. And yes, I need access to a large database of emails on the go. It was my primary reason for returning to winmo and getting the HD2 after a 6 year hiatus.
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Do you REALLY have that many e-mails? I just did a test, and switched my main account from "last 3 days" to "last 30 days", going from about 50 messages to 500 in 3 folders, and watched before-after memory usage, it only ate an extra 4.5MB. I'm set to HTML, 20kB and no attachments...
I mean that's just what one app takes, and less than the various caches... Don't know if you've already done it, but moving the Album cache to the card (this one can easily grow to 20-30MB) makes more sense...
rtydevine said:
Why is it so hard or impossible to find a good mail client ?
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Simply because the default one does it's job?

bad job
kilrah said:
Simply because the default one does it's job?
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Probably not for me. I need to have 2 boxes with about 2000 emails each and somme attachements. A total of 300 mb probably. Not so much for some Gb. I bought this phone for work and want use the sdcard for those emails. It's name is "windows phone" not ipod or psp or ixus. If i need that i know where to find it. A mail client (Outlook in this case) unable to store 300mb, does not it's job. Email means attachement else it is an SMS. Even when i store attachements on in the sdcard, the phone cry for memory. for information i use no music, no photos, no videos, no games.

Wow... how do you manage, sort, search, browse through 4000 e-mails on a phone???
OK, probably in that kind of use it might not do the job, but it's the first time I see someone needing it...
What you're after is an UMPC A phone's email is great for the couple of hours you're away from a proper computer, not really meant as a primary device...

Hi all, I can't believe no one found a solution on this issue so far, there are already about 5 different threads about this issue. Is no one out there having an Idea?

as I asked before: In SK-Tools, there is a menu-point: Tunup->System Memory and Speed->Messaging file\windows ---> to any other path, include the storage card.
Isn't this a part of the solution? You can download a trial-version with this point. Test it. possibly works on a HD2.

The solution is: GET AN EXCHANGE ACCOUNT, SEARCH IS BUILT INTO THE DEFAULT CLIENT!

as far as I understand from other threads you can't get far with the SK-Tools solution because you end up having the "storage card2" issue.
@mazzarin: what do you mean with
"GET AN EXCHANGE ACCOUNT, SEARCH IS BUILT INTO THE DEFAULT CLIENT"
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what search?