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Simple question about wizard keyboard

does an english wizard have the same physical keyboard (letters in the same positions) than an italian or french or german wizard?
Are the keyboards all the same?
thanx

nope.. T-Mobile germany's keyboards are QWERTZ:
http://www.mobilewhack.com/images/T-Mobile-MDA-Vario.jpg
While here's a French AZERTY:
http://www.smartphonefrance.info/img/Qtek9100-05.jpg

well...i need to know the italian and the english...do they match?

as far as letter and number keys go, yes - IT and EN are both:
QWERTYUIOP
ASDFGHJKL
ZXCVBNM
There may be some difference in the other keys, due to the italian language making use of extended letters a lot (thus putting them on the keyboard would be useful for users of it).
Haven't spotted a picture of an IT one yet

if the underlying question is: Can I use an english ROM with an italian device? The answer is : yes. You will find other posts that explain what registry changes will let you map correctly the keyboard. Like in France we use AZERTY keyboards, so making the correct registry changes, we can use our french keyboard and use the A key and get an A instead of a Q

yes but the problem is that in italian qwerty there are buttons for à,è,é,ò,ì,ù ...very used letter in my language...i just wonder if on english qwerty these letters/button ar present and primary.

Its' the same in French! If you have an italian device and if you update correctly the registry you should have all keys functionning as before. I've not tested it yet on my phone (still a french ROM) but I do it on my PC: french keyboard and english OS. I can use all the accented letters like if I were using a French keyboard with a French OS. I don't see why it should be otherwise on the PPC.

i can't explain...sorry!
what I mean is if the letter/button "è" (for instance) is NOT PHISICALLY present/written on the phisycal qwerty english tkeyboard BUT it is present ( and IT IS PRESENT because I use it everyday) on the italian qwerty...this answers to my question

Not quite sure what you are looking for exactly. Anyway, maybe this will help:
go to \HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd
There should be a "Locale" string value. If it's not there create it! and give it the value "0410"
To get the accented letters like e
press e
then the blue dot (left bottom corner)
then the space bar
I hope I'm making sense.Good luck!

:x
He's asking whether the keys are physically there on the slide-out keyboard. I.e. is there a little label / sticker with "è" on it?
There isn't one the English version (you can still get that character by means of the Sym key in combination with the 'e' key).

just to add confusion to this problem.
i have a t mobile MDA and a frien has a O2 mini and the keyboard layout is different on both. the Mini gets the benefit of a '£' sign whilst i have to get the electronic keyboard out for this. i suppose i could do a reg edit, anyone know how???

QWERTZ keyboard layout

My O2 XDA Mini S has a QWERTZ keyboard layout, and the WM software uses QWERTY layout, thats why whwn I type using the keyboard, Ive always misused the Y with the Z, and vise versa. Also the symbols are all rumnbled into places. Is there a way I can use the QWETZ layout using the english WM, because I believe that the QWERTZ layout maybe compatible to WM German version. (I dont understant german, so I need the english version). Please help, because I dont think I can do anything with the physical layout of my keyboard so I just need a modification with the software.

you need to edit the keyboard language in the registry. the default is 0409 for english. im not sure what the german one is, but check the wiki, i'm sure you can find out some more info in there.
look at the next post, i figured it out
-Nstefanelli-

Code:
HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\Locale = 0407
You have to edit the registry, you need to change it from 0409 to the above.
Good luck.
-Nstefanelli-

Hi. I'm not able to safe any keys in the registry.
Done and rebooted. Edit was gone.
Maybe issue with my Registry editor?

I use the german keyboard as well. The easiest solution to that is the Registry wizard
ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Upload/cabs/RegistryWizard_PPC.ARMV4.cab
There you just change the keyboard to German and done with it.
As to the other, you should always wait a couple of minutes before reboot, looks like it actually take some time for the system to write it back into the registry.
In addition, it's moire than just the one key to change.
Bye

In here any simular cab like this, but for Czech qwertz keyboard?
Thanx in advance!

roland valentini said:
I use the german keyboard as well. The easiest solution to that is the Registry wizard
ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Upload/cabs/RegistryWizard_PPC.ARMV4.cab
There you just change the keyboard to German and done with it.
As to the other, you should always wait a couple of minutes before reboot, looks like it actually take some time for the system to write it back into the registry.
In addition, it's moire than just the one key to change.
Bye
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Thanks.
But this location is not working for me

I have the same problem again....
This fix worked for me with wm5 but I just upgraded to wm6 and kb went to qwerty mode (the hardware is a qwertz).
I tried adding the above-mentioned key to the recommended location, and it did not work (that key does not initially exist on wm6).
I also found two keys: \\\registry\hkcu\keyboard layout\preload\default, and \\\registry\hkcu\keyboard layout\preload\1\default, and both of them had e0010409 as the value. I changed them both to e0010407 and tried coldboot after each (one and then both) and it still doesnt thinks its a qwerty keyboard.
Any ideas guys?
Thanks -- AshayinFLA

PCM Keyboard VGA Diamond Skin

I don't know about you people, but I was so used to the automatic spelling correction of PCM Keyboard, that I found the Manila full querty to be a real step backwards. I also don't like the way the letter pop-up preview is actually covered by the fingers used to press the keys.
The only problem with PCM Keyboard, so far, has been the lack of a good VGA skin for it, so here is a Diamod themed skin I made for version .14 (the latest stable version).
The actual keyboard software is free and can be downloaded here: PCM Keyboard
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Edit: I am also including my own layout, for those interested. You have to place it in the PCM Keyboard folder and select it from the options. here's what it does:
1. holding down the apostrophe brings up accented letters etc.
2. holding down the quote brings up the rest of accented letters etc.
3. holding down the 123 key brings up useful punctuation.
See thumbnails for details.

Looks good... would it be possible for you to post a landscape image?
Thanks.

Drybonz said:
Looks good... would it be possible for you to post a landscape image?
Thanks.
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Crap, I never use landscape mode, and I can't find screen rotation in the Diamond?

edan said:
Crap, I never use landscape mode, and I can't find screen rotation in the Diamond?
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You could just pop up the keyboard in Opera landscape... or try the new Gyrator2 app that just got released.

Well, I started using your skin and I love it.
I really like the keypad style number layout. Works so much better for me than the qwerty "numbers in a straight line" layout.
Also, this is the best landscape keyboard layout I have seen. I replaced Touchpal because the landscape is not so hot. Now that Gyrator is working on my phone I needed a good landscape keyboard.
I can type so much faster now.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

edan said:
I don't know about you people, but I was so used to the automatic spelling correction of PCM Keyboard, that I found the Manila full querty to be a real step backwards. I also don't like the way the letter pop-up preview is actually covered by the fingers used to press the keys.
The only problem with PCM Keyboard, so far, has been the lack of a good VGA skin for it, so here is a Diamod themed skin I made.
The actual keyboard software is free and can be dowbloaded here: PCM Keyboard
All comments welcome...
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Any chance you can upload DiamondSkin2? Or do i have to edit it myself? How?

Those two thumbnails refer to the same skin. One is simply showing it in an SMS and the other is in Word.

edan said:
Those two thumbnails refer to the same skin. One is simply showing it in an SMS and the other is in Word.
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Weird cos this is what i'm getting on my Touch Pro. It's missing "," & "."
Just wondering.....any chance you can make the format like those i've attached?

Scann69 said:
Weird cos this is what i'm getting on my Touch Pro. It's missing "," & "."
Just wondering.....any chance you can make the format like those i've attached?
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What you are talking about is affected by the keyboard layout file, not the skin. Look in the PCM Keyboard folder on your touch pro and you will see a file like "english.layout" or whatever you chose as your layout.
Open that up in notepad and change the keys to whatever you want. There is a lot of information on the PCM Keyboard site linked in the first post regarding layout customization. The skin will adapt itself to whatever you do with your layout file.
To place the comma and period on the sides of the spacebar as in my thumbnails change your "keyboard_layout_1=" in your file to:
Code:
keyboard_layout_1=qwertyuiop\nasdfghjkl'\n\2zxcvbnm\B\B\n\M\M, .\N\N

very nice !!!
thanks

I decided to include my custom layout. It's English, though it does have a ton of special letters and symbols. The numbers pad is pretty complete as well.

edan said:
What you are talking about is affected by the keyboard layout file, not the skin. Look in the PCM Keyboard folder on your touch pro and you will see a file like "english.layout" or whatever you chose as your layout.
Open that up in notepad and change the keys to whatever you want. There is a lot of information on the PCM Keyboard site linked in the first post regarding layout customization. The skin will adapt itself to whatever you do with your layout file.
To place the comma and period on the sides of the spacebar as in my thumbnails change your "keyboard_layout_1=" in your file to:
Code:
keyboard_layout_1=qwertyuiop\nasdfghjkl'\n\2zxcvbnm\B\B\n\M\M, .\N\N
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Thank you so much for the explaination Managed to get it the way i like it already

Scann69 said:
Thank you so much for the explaination Managed to get it the way i like it already
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Edan, I am interested in changing the "123" button to "abc" when on the number screen (a technicality, but would look nice). Just wondering if this can be edited in the layout file or if it is theme specific.
Also, have you tried your skin on the .15 version of PCM? I noticed they have more customization options in that version.
Thanks.

Drybonz said:
Edan, I am interested in changing the "123" button to "abc" when on the number screen (a technicality, but would look nice). Just wondering if this can be edited in the layout file or if it is theme specific.
Also, have you tried your skin on the .15 version of PCM? I noticed they have more customization options in that version.
Thanks.
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I have managed to create a new key with an ABC button. The real problem lies in assigning an action (switch layout to layout 1) in the .ini file.
Almost everything related to customizing version .14 has been removed from the site. So, it's a little hard now... unless we can get some tips from the author.
Version .15 is not even beta stage, and is extremely unstable on the diamond. It's really just a big mess at the moment... not worth the headaches...

edan said:
I have managed to create a new key with an ABC button. The real problem lies in assigning an action (switch layout to layout 1) in the .ini file.
Almost everything related to customizing version .14 has been removed from the site. So, it's a little hard now... unless we can get some tips from the author.
Version .15 is not even beta stage, and is extremely unstable on the diamond. It's really just a big mess at the moment... not worth the headaches...
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Yeah, I noticed they still claim .14 is the stable version but the tutorial is for .15. I wasn't able to get much further than changing a couple symbol keys in the layout file.
Anyway, thanks again for the great skin and please keep us updated if you make any changes.

Drybonz said:
Yeah, I noticed they still claim .14 is the stable version but the tutorial is for .15. I wasn't able to get much further than changing a couple symbol keys in the layout file.
Anyway, thanks again for the great skin and please keep us updated if you make any changes.
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Some problem. After like 2 minutes of use, my diamond crashed (really badly with numerous report error windows popping up). Some of the keys were not showing and some of the keys showed gibberish (some nonsense chinese words) - check out the first screenshot.
I believe it's because of the encoding when the layout files (both English layout and the one OP made) is saved. I tried opening the layout file in notepad and lots of the key assignments were gibberish. So, I tried opening it in Word and found out the original file was saved with Turkish Windows encoding. I opened it in the right encoding (so that all the keys were shown correctly) and then saved it back with unicode encoding. Then I put the revised file back to the PCM folder and it did wonders - check out the second screenshot.
So, an advice. If you find the keyboard is not showing what should be shown. Check out the .layout file that the OP posted and try modifying it and save it with another encoding (can be done in Word but not notepad). For my case (diamond with English ROM), unicode works for me.
I have attached the modified layout file (saved with unicode encoding). You can try this one if the original one doesn't work for you. No guarantee though.

I tried using the Diamond skin but the period and comma buttons are missing on the keyboard? I have to press the "123" to access the symbols keyboard. Can someone help please?

clue11 said:
I tried using the Diamond skin but the period and comma buttons are missing on the keyboard? I have to press the "123" to access the symbols keyboard. Can someone help please?
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Please read this thread. All the answers are here already.

Oops. completely missed that part. Sorry and thanks for the skin!

Edan, have you considered doing a PCM Contacts skin? VGA ones are hard to come by.

Key remap

Hello,
I tried Search button first, so if there is a topic already, please can you post the link?
Anyway.
I'm from czech republic and I'm very used to qwertz keyboard layout instead of qwerty. Is there any posibility to swap Y and Z on HW keyboard? I already tried change keyboard layout to czech (using this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446449) but it didnt help.
I would very much appreciate if someone can help me.
Thanks in advance

Don't know if you checked this (in czech):
http://forum.semania.cz/index.php?topic=19323.0
For non-czech speakers .. the post above (here on XDA-developers) says how to SWITCH the layout. Here is the method how the modify it.
There should be simple readeble text file in the phone at path:
Phone\Windows\sym.0409.txt
(replace your locale code, see the post above).
In this file, replace any characters to obtain modified layout. Haven't tried by myself though.

Thank you, but
as far as I understood this file only changes characters that are offered by pressing "àű" right after some character - I mean when you press A you get à after first press of "àű" button and á after second press of "àű" button etc.
I'd like to change the layout from qwerty to qwertz. Just swap Y/Z, nothing more.
Any other ideas?

you need AEKMap.
I did this for my i780, just check the link in my sig.
you have to do the same for the X1, but i am not sure if the keycodes are identical. just try it out.

Thanks very much, this actualy works. I only wonder if it will slow down my device in some way.

it doesn't slow down my i780 and it is super lightweight.
you can also rearrange your czeck special letters in the sym txt file like others have pointed out. should give you a fully working, localized keyboard.

If all you want is to exchange Y and Z, go to the link in you first post and change the code to german layout. it works!

Well, that was the first think I thought of. But there are too many changes in the layout. So that was no option for me. but thanks for idea
btw. this AEkmap doesnt work in text boxes on pages in opera mobile.

Switch keyboard from QWERTY to QWERTZ

Hi.
I have just installed the phone enabled rom. Everything is fine, but it is an english version. Actually I managed to switch everything from english to german EXCEPT the hardware keyboard. I have figured out the following keys in the registry:
HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd (this is already known and does not seem to have any effect)
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout (this seems to activate one of the defined layouts in the 'Layout'-key)
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts
Could anyone, who has a german keyboard layout running, check what his/her entries in these three keys are?
If anyone has another solution for this issue, I would be happy to hear from you.
Thanks alot.

Don't know wether this is the solution, but there are lots of keyboard layouts listed in:
HKLM/System/CurrentControlSet/Control/Keyboard Layouts
The German Layout has the key number 00000407.
Maybe you only need to enter that number as value in:
HKU/Default/Keyboard Layout/Preload
Good luck
retir0

Hi
Thanks for your reply. The country code for German is known, I have tried that, but it caused some major problems including not working keyboards (not even the virtual keyboard). Only transcriber was still working.
That is why I thought the registry keys
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Keyboard Layout
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts
would have more effect.
If you look into the "layouts" you will find "00000409" which defines the US keyboard layout. There you will find a "Layout File" that is called "KbdNopALL.DLL" and another value called "Layout Text" containing the value "US". I was wandering if changing any of these keys would enable the QWERTZ layout of the keyboard. So if anyone that uses a QWERTZ Layout could check what settings there are in these keys (e.g. "Layout File" is the same, but "Layout Text" is "DE" or "GER"). Does anyone know anything about the "KbdNopAll.DLL"?

Looking into "00000409" I find the "Layout File" 'KBDUS.DLL' and the "Layout Text" 'US'.
By contrast in "00000407" the values are 'KBDGR.DLL' and 'German'.
I've scanned the whole registry but didn't find any KbdNopAll.dll-file on my German version Shift.
Hope I could help a bit.
retir0

hmm, maybe someone should make a Keyb.cab or REG file, that switch automaticly the right Language codes into registry.
I remember, that this issue comes up all new releases of a WWE ROM, I think there is the solution in some older posts ;-)
Anybody knows how to make a *.cab file or a Reg file for pocket PC´s?
If I know that, I can make a "batch" file for easy changing to german Keyboard layout ;-)

got it
i finally got it.
i had a false entry in
HKLM/hardware/devicemap/keybd/CurLang
the value 407 was entered in Decimal which results in a wrong Hexadecimal value. Now I have entered 407 as a hex value which equals 1031 in decimal. now the layout is correct.
damn complicated that is....
thanks for your help everybody

retir0 said:
Looking into "00000409" I find the "Layout File" 'KBDUS.DLL' and the "Layout Text" 'US'.
By contrast in "00000407" the values are 'KBDGR.DLL' and 'German'.
I've scanned the whole registry but didn't find any KbdNopAll.dll-file on my German version Shift.
Hope I could help a bit.
retir0
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I've got the same problem with my German Treo 750. Hardware keyboard swaps z and y. I've changed all registry entries, but what I need is a kbdgr.dll to change the contents of my new created 00000407 to Layout File KBDGR.DLL and the Layout Text to German.
Has anyone got an idea where I could get this kbdgr.dll for WM 6.0?
I googled my fingertips bleeding, but only found the dll for xp - and I'm sure that this wouldn't work with my Treo.
Regards and thanks,
Reiner

Is there really nobody with a German Treo 750 to help me?
Regards,
Reiner