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I'm pretty much looking for a long term phone, looking forward to watching movies, playing games, surfing the net, etc. I've used Xperia X1 (was great for a while, but little to no official support), the iPhone 3g (quick, way less laggier than the X1, great for mindless games to kill time)
Guess what I am asking is, is HTC HD2 worth the buck? $500 SGD (About uhm 250 Euros) for the phone (incl 2-year plan)
As you can see from my signature I've had a LOT of phones in my time, but never been very happy with one for very long.
Finally , at least for me, the HD2 will be something I'm going to own a very long time to come. It really does everything you could want in a phone/media player/comms/office/game device...all be it with a good bit of the expected modding and tweaking that comes with WinMo And if you can get it as cheap as €250 then I wouldn't think twice, go for it.
But remember my analogy for having a HD2/Leo. It's like having a child.
You have the painful labour pains of paying for it (€700 in most places). The joy of holding it for the first time (unboxing it)
Then like a child, you need to teach it how to work properly (modding and reg editing). Also like a growing child, you need to put up with it's little annoyances now and then (the odd bugs that need fixing). After that, you need to teach it to be interesting, (add apps, themes etc) Basically if you're willing to put in the work it's going to be worth every penny/cent
Thanks for the quick response! Appreciated! Yup, one thing I love about WinMo devices is the huge community(Actually the HTC Community) which allows me to pretty much customize the phone Another question, is there any major bugs/flaws that I might be concerned about? Because I've wanted this phone ever since the rumours surfaced and the hype made all the more irresistable lol
Yes, the HD2 is worth every penny!
There are a few flaws out of the box yes. Some have speaker issues, screen over/under sensitive, pinkeye camera, and a few more, all of which can be fixed with some reg edits and a few cab files. You can find all the fixes and tweaks Here.
The only as yet unfixed problem is the SMS issue. Some people (not me) who have over 200 or so SMSs (why don't people use the delete button?) notice a slow down when replying. But who uses SMS anymore in this modern age of emails, twitters, Google wave, Facebook and what not Anyways for the SMS issue I think there is a workaround until HTC come up with a patch.
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As you can see from my signature I've had a LOT of phones in my time, but never been very happy with one for very long.
Finally , at least for me, the HD2 will be something I'm going to own a very long time to come. It really does everything you could want in a phone/media player/comms/office/game device...all be it with a good bit of the expected modding and tweaking that comes with WinMo And if you can get it as cheap as €250 then I wouldn't think twice, go for it.
But remember my analogy for having a HD2/Leo. It's like having a child.
You have the painful labour pains of paying for it (€700 in most places). The joy of holding it for the first time (unboxing it)
Then like a child, you need to teach it how to work properly (modding and reg editing). Also like a growing child, you need to put up with it's little annoyances now and then (the odd bugs that need fixing). After that, you need to teach it to be interesting, (add apps, themes etc) Basically if you're willing to put in the work it's going to be worth every penny/cent
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700 euros in most places??.. no way
But to stay on topic.. imagine when it is summer.. how will you carry your Leo with you?.. so I find that a better case in the package would have been absolutely no luxury!
Then you have the software flaws.. device.exe sometimes crashes the phone totally.. the htcmessage performance.. the camera... seems to me that Leo had to be released..
seems to me like a business decision.. release it now albeit with software flaws and fix them later.. it turned out to be not a bad decision
but.. if you use Leo with navigon (my preferred navigation software) then you will be in for a real treat.. the same if you use it to browse websites.. so as always it depends
on your usage..
Like Jagnet, I've owned a rather odd collection of phones in my life. I've never been keen on Smartphones as I was rather disappointed by them during my little spree of owning them during 2003/04 and was put off since. I went as far as considering "a phone is just a phone, nothing else" and swore by living in the dark ages by avoiding Smartphones (even though I was working as a promoter and technical adviser for Windows Mobile back in 2003/04 >.<).
The HD2 was something that caught my eye earlier this year and is the first phone that I've waited patiently for, it certainly was worth the wait! Apart from the odd niggles you get from the phone such as the SMS bug and the odd lag, the phone works great (lets be honest here, there are always minor niggles with any phone you get, even my Nokia 8800 Arte, retailing at £1100 at the time I got mine had awful bugs which took over 8 months to fix and there are still bugs that remain).
Much fun can be had with the HD2, the great community behind it (you are looking at it now ) and modding. I've spent endless hours customising it to meet my needs. After a few weeks of playing about with registry / system files and hard resetting, I've now got a phone that does everything I want, customed to how I like and works flawlessly...
apart from the bluetooth compatibility issues...
and the battery life incomparable to non-smartphones (however, the HD2 does very well compared to most smartphones on the market)...
and the marketplace which is in need of some love...
and having to change my handset due to a dodgy touchscreen within the first 4 days.
On the games front, you will be disappointed when comparing it to the iPhone but there are a few good games around. On the apps front, if you ignore the Windows Marketplace and Google around, there are plenty of places to buy good apps from. It's just the iPhone has a good app store that consolidates all apps into a nifty marketplace for you to browse.
Windows Mobile needs you to put the effort in ownership, but in many ways, I see it as a good thing. You get the flexibility to do what you want, on phones such as the iPhone, you are controlled to what you can or cannot do unless you "jailbreak". The iPhone is user friendly, everything is setup for you and for those looking to get a phone that does everything the minute you take it out of the box, it is a product for you. The HD2 fairs well with HTC Sense and it's a good starting point for HTC and Windows Mobile, there is still the horrid Windows Mobile 2003 look lurking in the background though.
Thanks for the replies fellas, appreciate it I am getting my HTC HD2 in a couple of hours, and I hope I won't be disappointed I'm pretty much looking forward to unboxing my 'child' (like how jagnet put it Most of all, I'm looking forward to WM7, though from what I've read it might take a while, but as long as it is worth the wait, I'm cool with it...
It really is like a new baby, because you will breast feed it every 2 hours.
Hi Ive had my HD2 for a few days and to be honest its been a difficult transition form my iphone 3GS which was very simple and easy to use but the 3gs is very basic and doesn't allow for real working integrations.
Its been buggy, very slow compared to the 3gs, the keyboad for some weird reason is of center which is a nightmare to type on compare to the 3gs.
The phone isnt as simple to use as the iphone but for some weird reason i still want it and still want to get use to its quirks.
I have another 10 days left to see if i am going to commit to an 18 month contract, just wish i new what the new iphone was going to be like when released in june.
Its like anything personal choice your will either love it, grow to love it (as hopefully i will) or hate it.
Good luck
Worth it?
If you owned an xperia then you have something to go on.
Leo is WM but with the HTC hardware & shell.
I used to own a Ducati.
My experience was, it was sensational to ride, no other bike comes close, but it had to be kept in tune and maintained. Riding it in the traffic to work would put it out of whack and it would need a nice long blat on a country road to make it right again. High performance and superlative handling made it a unique experience.
Where am I going with this?
Oh yes, performance and usability.
Clearly this is the fastest and highest performing pda phone you can get.
This, and the sense ui make it a great experience.
It is not such a good analogy as heavy usage doesn't put it out of tune so much as excessive poor quality 3rd party apps and too many untested mods.
This is partly why the though of an iphone full of crapstore junk turns my stomach, because if it could multiask, it would choke on the garbage it was running.
Sense iu means I can access what I need in a minimun of steps, but with wm6.5 underneath, I can reach down and tune it to do what I want.
Contrary to my analogy, the stock rom on Leo is pretty good, with a few fixes needed, nothing as serious as having to take it back to the store.
As a stock phone it is great, but it can be modified(tuned) to push the performance envelope and make it even more usable.
As a Ducati rider, I found it very hard to step down to anything else, and as a Leo user I'm the same.
The promise of simplicity makes me cringe as it translates to settling for mediocrity.
Mobile phone hand held computers were pioneered by HTC.
This is the latest evolution.
I love the Leo.
@Xaddict; Well said, I just got my HD2 and I'm loving it so far, knowing this community, I am looking forward to the the custom roms/apps that will be available to everyone soon (I hope) And regarding Ducatis, love em, especially the 948
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Hi Ive had my HD2 for a few days and to be honest its been a difficult transition form my iphone 3GS which was very simple and easy to use but the 3gs is very basic and doesn't allow for real working integrations.
Its been buggy, very slow compared to the 3gs, the keyboad for some weird reason is of center which is a nightmare to type on compare to the 3gs.
The phone isnt as simple to use as the iphone but for some weird reason i still want it and still want to get use to its quirks.
I have another 10 days left to see if i am going to commit to an 18 month contract, just wish i new what the new iphone was going to be like when released in june.
Its like anything personal choice your will either love it, grow to love it (as hopefully i will) or hate it.
Good luck
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There will always be a newer, nicer phone 7 months down the line....you have to commit sometime or you will never own anything!
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There are a few flaws out of the box yes. Some have speaker issues, screen over/under sensitive, pinkeye camera, and a few more, all of which can be fixed with some reg edits and a few cab files. You can find all the fixes and tweaks Here.
The only as yet unfixed problem is the SMS issue. Some people (not me) who have over 200 or so SMSs (why don't people use the delete button?) notice a slow down when replying. But who uses SMS anymore in this modern age of emails, twitters, Google wave, Facebook and what not Anyways for the SMS issue I think there is a workaround until HTC come up with a patch.
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Um, firstly there are NO current fixes for the loud call volume or call distortion problems. None whatsoever.
Neither are there any fixes for the over-sensitive keyboard. Yes there is a CAB floating around and it helps to a very small degree with text input but it also makes the screen less sensitive in EVERY app and every screen. This isn't helpful.
Secondly, SMS is still the most popular form of mobile communication....by a country mile....so to try and cover up the fact that the HD2 is severely crippled in this area is laughable!
We need some balance here folks. Yes the HD2 is fantastic for web browsing and video but it is shocking for calls and texts - the mainstay features of a mobile phone. Hopefully HTC will address these problems but it is in no way guaranteed that they will!
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I'm pretty much looking for a long term phone, looking forward to watching movies, playing games, surfing the net, etc. I've used Xperia X1 (was great for a while, but little to no official support), the iPhone 3g (quick, way less laggier than the X1, great for mindless games to kill time)
Guess what I am asking is, is HTC HD2 worth the buck? $500 SGD (About uhm 250 Euros) for the phone (incl 2-year plan)
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Well, no phone is perfect. But IMO, the HD2 is THE device that comes closest to being perfect.
It has some small bugs that will get fixed soon or can be fixed manually, there's different opinions on the keyboard and call quality (some say it's the best ever, some hate it) and Windows Mobile, just like any other OS (iPhone OS, Android, Symbian...) has its flaws as well.
But compared to the problems/shortcomings of other devices, the HD2 has very little issues, great hardware, great software - the closest you can currently get to perfect, IMO.
So yes, it's worth it.
Oh, and don't take sunking101 serious. He's a troll and a whiner, spreading FUD against the HD2 since the first day he entered the forum.
definitely (but i don't have the sms problem and i can charge my phone at work)....
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Well, no phone is perfect. But IMO, the HD2 is THE device that comes closest to being perfect.
It has some small bugs that will get fixed soon or can be fixed manually, there's different opinions on the keyboard and call quality (some say it's the best ever, some hate it) and Windows Mobile, just like any other OS (iPhone OS, Android, Symbian...) has its flaws as well.
But compared to the problems/shortcomings of other devices, the HD2 has very little issues, great hardware, great software - the closest you can currently get to perfect, IMO.
So yes, it's worth it.
Oh, and don't take sunking101 serious. He's a troll and a whiner, spreading FUD against the HD2 since the first day he entered the forum.
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Gosh, I actually thought you were making a sane and rational post until I got to the last sentence.
The OP is asking the pros and cons of purchasing an HD2. Therefore all pros and cons are relevant.
As for the HD2 being "the closest you can currently get to perfect" - that is your opinion. Not fact.
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As for the HD2 being "the closest you can currently get to perfect" - that is your opinion. Not fact.
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And so is all your whining.
On topic: yes, the HD2 is worth every sigle dime. And yes, it has some shortcomings (which phone doesn't these days with the speed they are propelled into the market). The only problem I have with the HD2 is the speaker volume which is too loud. But, I have to admit that, it got much better after upgrading to the 1.48 ROM.
Off topic: Maybe it's best not to reply anymore to the contributions member sunking101 delivers to this community. Saves a lot of time and yes/no discussions.
It's well worth the price .
Guys,
I just sent my HD2 (1.48 GER unbranded) back to Amazon for full credit.
By today I had nine cases open at HTC support:
Blutotth SAP: phone does not find mast after disconnecting from car
SMS: app crashes, SMS remain in outbox forever
Music: volume rocker erratic behavior (changes to track skip)
Bluetooth: headset looses connection after certain time
Weather App: sometimes not updating location based weather
Email: HD2 sometimes looses all mail server address entries. All emails in inbox get lost simultaneously
Facebook app: certain information not being displayed
Telephone: volume adjustment with BT headset next to impossible (turned fully up all the time)
SMS app: mobile and fixed line No's are displayed with the same icon, so you never know whether its a mobile or fixed line phone you send your message to (if it gets send.........)
Plus:
Wired headset with Music Controls: renders next to useless without volume control buttons.
The majority of all the bugs always existed at the same time, so one app crashing influenced the others (volume rocker, SMS, weather, bluetooth), Needless to say that not one of the bugs was cured by the latest ROM update. I sometimes wonder whether HTC is doing any SQA at all.
I am a businessman who travels world wide. I need a reliable phone, it is mission critical. The HD2 is a million miles away from being that.
I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
I had enough. Period.
Sorry, but it had to shot this out loudly.
GZ
So, what are you moving to?
You forgot to mention the most annoying thing on earth with HD2, THE NOISY VOICE CALLS !!
Fair play mate!
I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
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And you think that gets better with another company? Definitely not.
RIM's CEO had to apologize foll all the bugs of the Storm.
Nokia's N97 has recieved bad reviews for all its software issues.
Sony Ericsson's Satio had to be pulled from the market because of huge issues.
Apple's iPhone has litte bugs but also little features
...and so on...
The only way to have less issues is to also have less features.
I guess you don't want that, as you are asking for advanced features like the Bluetooth stuff or location based weather, which are features that other phones don't even have in the first place.
You can't ask for a phone that has every feature and at the same time not accept any bugs. There is no phone like that, unfortunately.
(Sure I wish there was, but there isn't)
So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.
If you are not satisfied, try another brand like toshiba or acer.
And if you are a "HTC beta tester", you should know it better.
Ah, the Toshiba TG01... another great example for my list.
HD2 is a multimedia device and not a proffesional phone. You won't have any of therse problems in HTC Touch Pro 2 that is designed specifically to be a proffesional phone more reliable and less flashy: keyboard, bigger battery, less bugs etc. It has smaller screen, heavier, less megapixels etc but it is a business model, HD2 is not. I need to point also that iphone is not also a bussiness phone (you can not change battery etc) and Apple accpet that. Simply choose a bussness phone if you need it for bussines, not a expensive gadget as it is in this moment HD2.
I find it extremely strange that some users are reporting the phone running stock roms as buggy to the point of being unusable, whereas for others (myself included) it's been utterly bug free. You can understand a wide variety of different bugs surfacing when you deploy desktop applications, because hardware and software combinations are almost limitless, but here that's not the case. Identical software running on an identical software/hardware platform should produce identical results.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.
I was fine until i read the part that you're a "beta tester." (notice the use of quotations?)
I laughed and proceeded to ignored your post entirely.
i experienced some of those problems, but already found fixes for most and for others their in development, like maati says, theres no 100% bug-free phone nowadays, heck, even the 3310 was bugged in some areas, and that was before all the 'hsdpa' 'gps' 'bluetooth' 'multitouch' '1ghz' stuff came along
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...So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.
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"Having to tweak a bit" ??? Dude, it´s one thing to "tweak a bit" and another to get this phone to do what it is supposed to!
Paying 600 Euro for a device plus doing the work that HTC´s developer are not able to do, for me it´s just not acceptable.
If everybody feels alright with that, HTC will keep on capitalizing customer until they encounter resistance.
On my job I have to do my work to get my earnings. Thats what I expect from others.
This is not HTC specific.
There is just no perfect phone. No matter how much you pay, you won't get anything that's perfect.
I gave you some examples of other phones that have/had huge issues as well, despite being very expensive.
Sure, the HD2 has some issues. But you must not forget that other phones are not better. Not one bit.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.
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True, entirely.
Unfortunately, some people don't get that. If all people realized that truth, threads like this would not exist.
We have to accept the fact that there is no perfect phone and just buy the device that requires the least compromises. This is a personal thing. I, for example, will probably never buy an iPhone again, becasue that thing annoyed me with all its flaws. Sure, it was pretty much bug free, but the lack of critical features was inacceptable.
Did I go to an iPhone forum and shout against Apple and tell everybody that I sold my iPhone? No. Because I am smart enough to realize that there is no perfect phone and I must just buy whatever works best for me. Going to an iPhone forum in order to tell everyone how much I hated the device would not have helped anyone, and creating such threads is not good behaviour anyways.
During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had. The less "tweaking", the less issues, I think. I did not have any big issues, but some small flaws. With the ROM update, quite some improvement. I think 2 or 3 ROM versions later, the device will be better than any comparable device on the market.
If a mobile phone is crucial for a business person, I think the phone should not do much more than calls and texts - to be on the safe side. As of today, maybe a Blackberry or a Palm product might meet the business needs best.
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If everybody feels alright with that, HTC will keep on capitalizing customer until they encounter resistance.
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Damn, but that line is getting old.
No bugs here, and I got one of the first batch.
But don't let me interrupt the villification of the Great Satan HTC.
Being upset about your handset not working properly? Understandable.
Marking HTC as the worst thing since the antichrist? Yeah, it's been done. To death, revived and back to death again.
They updated the ROM and brought out a fix for the camera. Horrible!
Damn, but that line is getting old.
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It's getting old but it's still as stupid as it was in the beginning. HTC is not evil, they're just a phone maker like all the others, and naturally, their phones have flaws, like all the others.
In fact, compared to others, if you look at the "features*advantages/flaws" ratio, HTC would probably come out on top.
During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had.
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That's what I'm saying: No phone is perfect. They all have their flaws and everyone should choose what works best for him.
HTC is not worse than anyone else in the industry. In fact, with the HD2, they may even be the best, currently.
ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again. Least of all if you don't own the phone or just on here to complain,there isn't a lot anyone on the forum can do to help you with if you don't own one. I understand the frustration though but it should be directed to HTC.
In any case if you are looking for a good business phone from HTC I suggest the HTC Rhodium. Another one of my favorites and with a physical keyboard.
ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again.
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Exactly. That thread doesn't help anyone, and it's redundant.
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Exactly. That thread doesn't help anyone, and it's redundant.
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Then why do you fill it with so many postings?
Also, you did not get the point.
Its one thing to make a decision against a device, that simply does not provide the desired features, as you did with the iphone. Why did you not read its specs??? You just should have known before buying.
And, its another thing to buy a device with many features promised, but then finding many annoying bugs. Thats what I wrote about, ok?
I totally appreciate what the OP is saying about feeling like a "beta tester".
HTC are guilty of putting out stuff with some glaringly obvious bugs but dare I say, so does every other manufacturer out there.
The OP is simply expressing his dismay that once again he as a paying customer is receiving a product that needs further testing and development by the manufactuer!!
Still, it probably wont stop me from buying an HD2 soon...
i was wondering who in here has come over to this phone from a blackberry.
likes? dislikes?
i have been reading some on here about the "lag" with the HTC HD2. is this true? all the reviews i read say nothing about it. and i do not like a laggy phone. and disabling Sense makes no "sense" to me...
also, is there alot of customizations that can be done? how about updates? are they common like on a blackberry? will win7 mobile be able to be run on this? hows the battery life compared to the iphone? (that is why i dont have an iphone any more, i cant stand the battery life)
i LOVe the looks of that phone...
Thanks all!
I jummped the Blackberry ship for the HD2 last week.
I wont be able to answer ALL your questions 100%, but I will be able to help.
Lag, If you use your task manager and close the unused programs, then you *shouldnt* have any lag. I am still using the stock phone settings from T-Mo. and I am not seeing any lag at all just by closing the app/programs this way.
Customizing, The phone is still new, and the devs here are working hard to push out new stuff all the time. But the phone is VERY customisable. If your comfy working with DLL and CAB files you can change the layout/colors/buttons/exctra of the dif screanes and apps.
WP7, As of right now.. No. But the devs here are working on it, as well as the Droid os.
While Blackberry has updates offten, it still upto the provider to push em out to the end users, and T-Mo, is the worst at doing so. But you can get all the updates/mods/apps from the devs here.
Batterie life can be awesome, or it can be the bane of your phone. lol. If you keep task manager clean, the batterie will last for wat feels like for ever. I ran both of the Transformer movies from start to credits, played on the internet a bit, and made a few calls, and still had a lot of bat strength left. but if you run a lot of apps in the back ground, and dont keep your task manager clean, you will charge your phone 2x a days.
Over all im loving this phone. I have a ton to learn about it still, but it is a great phone.
My $.02
Wolfee
Thank you so much for your reply. that helped alot.
i just sold 2 of my BB's, so i am looking now at buying one i cant wait
I have to say with my blackberry experience with the one I carry around for work, a Nextel 8350i. being the network admin for the company I work for, and I also work with the BES server software. they can get pretty laggy as well at times. especially when there is alot of background data transfer going on to the BES server.
In the end i prefer my HD2 to blackberry. I consider the BB a good platform for someone who wants something that just works, and arent very technically minded like the people I work with. I can already imagine the issues Id run into trying to introduce the WinMo platform there.
WinMo is good for technical users that like to tweak and customize and can live with or work around the occasional bug, and are able to figure things out for themselves or with the help of a support forum like this
I would never recommend WinMo for someone that requires hand holding with anything technical/computer related. it just becomes too much of a hassle and waste of time for me having to support them.
great post...that makes me feel better to. i feel the same way, i have owned alot of blackberrys and they do lag alot more.
and i am one who LOVES to tinker with things..so i am thinking i might like this better...are there ways to recover if you play TO much and brick your phone?
also i cant seem to find any screen shots of what the sms inbox looks like? was wondering. is it threaded messages?
IF you successfully install HSPL, the chances of really "bricking" your HD2 are pretty low. The worst thing you can do "brick" a TMOUS HD2 is to flash an incompatible Radio (one with ...51... in the identifier string). As long as you stay with T-Mobile compatible Radios/ROMs, you should be fine.
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great post...that makes me feel better to. i feel the same way, i have owned alot of blackberrys and they do lag alot more.
and i am one who LOVES to tinker with things..so i am thinking i might like this better...are there ways to recover if you play TO much and brick your phone?
also i cant seem to find any screen shots of what the sms inbox looks like? was wondering. is it threaded messages?
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Yeah, it has threaded sms messages. And there are almost always ways to recover your phone from bricking it, unless you flash the wrong radio, like he said in the post above. Just don't flash ones with .51 in them and your fine. Odds are you won't even need to flash your radio, so it's nothing to worry about. Good luck with your new HD2. Its the most versatile, powerful phone when you learn to use it well.
Yeah, I was a fellow BlackBerry user. I've had 2 in past... and my most recent device was the BlackBerry 9700.
I certainly miss the days where I'd manage to squeeze 70 hours out of a single charge cycle.
But nevertheless, I am absolutely in love with the HD2. Plus, I've owned countless HTC products, and I'm always left satisfied and smiling...
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
(I couldn't help myself...)
i JUST got it! walmart had one left and i had a gift certificate. omg i love it alreay, and i have not even started to play with it. Guys i need your help...
what do i do first? updates? how do i know what updates to do? are there any tutorials in here i can read about noobs? i want to make sure mine is up to date for sure...but so far i love it. what a nice screen and feel...
LOVE IT!
I just upgraded from a Blackberry curve, and from an IT professional's standpoint, I love this phone. The ability to tinker, the software community here, multimedia capabilities, and the tools built in (wifi access point, slacker, etc.) are a welcome breath of fresh air to having a smart phone.
i have been looking and reading, but im getting a little confused. where do i go to find any updates for my phone? i cant seem to find any on the HTC website?
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i have been looking and reading, but im getting a little confused. where do i go to find any updates for my phone? i cant seem to find any on the HTC website?
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Try this:
http://www.htc.com/europe/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=297&act=sd&cat=all
But, I am not sure whether they are for EU or US versions.
EDIT: Just realized the link is for the EU version...here is the link for the US version....no updates ATM but keep an eye out
http://www.htc.com/us/support/t-mobile-hd2/downloads/
oh ok, that is what i wondered...so there are NO updates for the tmobile version? is that becasue i already have a newer ROM with all those updates on it? my rom is Dated 2/22/10 and is version 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWe
is this because the tmobile version just came out?
dvigue said:
oh ok, that is what i wondered...so there are NO updates for the tmobile version? is that becasue i already have a newer ROM with all those updates on it? my rom is Dated 2/22/10 and is version 2.10.531.1 (82076) WWe
is this because the tmobile version just came out?
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For this to be a smooth transition you must realize this is a completely different experience. There will not be a lot, if any, official updates. What there will be is unofficial/leaked updates that are implemented in custom (cooked) roms. Some of these will be leaked from Microsoft and some will be released from HTC but TMobile USA will most likely not leak any. Don't panic though, because this is why we love XDA Devs so much.
You will need to read MSkips tutorial on flashing HardSPL. HSPL will allow you to flash these custom roms and a few other things. These custom roms will often be cutting edge so read which ones you really want because some will simply be going for speed, others looks and others stability. There are some great cooks around here who actually combine all three.
I write this because you are already panicking on a lack of updates. That's just not how it works here so you have to let it go. You don't find the same OS version on every model like in BlackBerry or Iphone over here. Older models are having roms cooked for them that include what only the new ones have out the box because many of the older phones here don't have the memory or are simply out of the loop for the carrier and HTC. My 8525 was like that. I'm just explaining so you understand the landscape better.
The best way to succeed here is to search and ask questions once you can't find the answers. Most of the stuff you have questions about has been asked and answered before (most but not all). Make sure to read in this forum and the other HD2 forum because the phones aren't that different. If you have a question or concern about a specific program or rom make sure you ask the question in that thread and not create a new thread.
Welcome to WinMo and XDA Devs. Also our TMo USA HD2's do have the latest official updates.
Hope your htc hd2 blows up! The starter of this thread is a joke! He bothers me for two days texting me as early as 5am saying he wants the phone please dont sell, as he's waiting for the money. We make a deal after going back and fourth on text messages. He tells me a few hours later he's not buying because he bought it locally at walmart. WHAT A PATHETIC JERK!! I ^&%^ wasted my time taking pix to send him just for him to take this whole thing as a JOKE! I lost out on another potential deal because this idiot agreed on buying it. BE AWARE of this LOSER!!!
addicus said:
For this to be a smooth transition you must realize this is a completely different experience. There will not be a lot, if any, official updates. What there will be is unofficial/leaked updates that are implemented in custom (cooked) roms. Some of these will be leaked from Microsoft and some will be released from HTC but TMobile USA will most likely not leak any. Don't panic though, because this is why we love XDA Devs so much.
You will need to read MSkips tutorial on flashing HardSPL. HSPL will allow you to flash these custom roms and a few other things. These custom roms will often be cutting edge so read which ones you really want because some will simply be going for speed, others looks and others stability. There are some great cooks around here who actually combine all three.
I write this because you are already panicking on a lack of updates. That's just not how it works here so you have to let it go. You don't find the same OS version on every model like in BlackBerry or Iphone over here. Older models are having roms cooked for them that include what only the new ones have out the box because many of the older phones here don't have the memory or are simply out of the loop for the carrier and HTC. My 8525 was like that. I'm just explaining so you understand the landscape better.
The best way to succeed here is to search and ask questions once you can't find the answers. Most of the stuff you have questions about has been asked and answered before (most but not all). Make sure to read in this forum and the other HD2 forum because the phones aren't that different. If you have a question or concern about a specific program or rom make sure you ask the question in that thread and not create a new thread.
Welcome to WinMo and XDA Devs. Also our TMo USA HD2's do have the latest official updates.
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Great info....i really enjoyed your post...I cant wait to strart learning more and more about this phone. I really lucked out. My local walmart had only 1 left, and i had a gift card so i got it at a good price. I have had the iphone and this is so much better....i cant wait to start to customize it...
Thanks gang!
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Hope your htc hd2 blows up! The starter of this thread is a joke! He bothers me for two days texting me as early as 5am saying he wants the phone please dont sell, as he's waiting for the money. We make a deal after going back and fourth on text messages. He tells me a few hours later he's not buying because he bought it locally at walmart. WHAT A PATHETIC JERK!! I ^&%^ wasted my time taking pix to send him just for him to take this whole thing as a JOKE! I lost out on another potential deal because this idiot agreed on buying it. BE AWARE of this LOSER!!!
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I really don't know what to say about this. Did I talk with him about buying his phone yes, did we talk back and fourth all day about it? yes. Isn't that what craigslist is all about? bartering, making deals etc? it was at the last moment when i found out a local walmart had one HD2 left at the same price he was selling it at, and i had a gift card so it was even cheaper, and it was 5 min from my house (for returns etc) so that is why i backed out. I am in no way a "scammer" because of this. sorry, im not.
I apologized multiple times, and he wont accept, so there is no more that I can do. I even tried a few contacts to see if they would buy it from him. I cant do any more...
on a positive, Jain75 was Very good with communication, and answered all my questions i had about the sale. he did take multiple pictures for me like i had asked. I had asked for all of that, because i was sending someone 450 dollars whom i did not know, so i wanted all the proof that the phone was legit that i could get. and he did give that all to me.
again, i feel really bad, but what else can i do? i have had MANY MANY people say "yeah ill buy that, let me get back to you" and i never hear back. at least i told him the truth,....
I just recently came over from a blackberry storm 2 to hd2 April 1. Let me say that the HD2 is a totally different experience from blackberry. I loved how the blackberry managed my business OTOH it sucked for pleasure. With the HD2 you get both business and pleasure.
HTC blows blackberry out of the water to me, at least this hd2 does. By that I mean large screen, plenty of themes, apps, etc. Not the same old tired interface as blackberry. It has NO LAG WHATSOEVER. This phone has all my needs met and more.
Only thing about windows is you have to find roms,apps, etc instead of it being in a central location.
I will be using this phone for awhile, t-mobile is crappy in my area so I unlocked to at&t.
I carry a BB Tour and a HD2 right now.
The only two things I like about the BB over the HD2 are the battery life of the BB and the keyboard. I HATE the HD2 on screen keyboard. Even swipe blows.
But if you are anything like me, it's all about the Apps (quality Apps, that is). The HD2 is my media phone, hands down (better than my iPhone). The BB is the work horse and back up music player.
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I carry a BB Tour and a HD2 right now.
The only two things I like about the BB over the HD2 are the battery life of the BB and the keyboard. I HATE the HD2 on screen keyboard. Even swipe blows.
But if you are anything like me, it's all about the Apps (quality Apps, that is). The HD2 is my media phone, hands down (better than my iPhone). The BB is the work horse and back up music player.
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I hate the onscreen keyboard too lol. I have been trying to find another input keyboard that somewhat resembles blackberry.
Actually this HD2 can do it all. Give it a try. I use it for my business and media. I plug my phone up to my car everyday for media and it charges it as well.
I know you guys hate it when people ask
"WHATS THE BEST ROM"
so thats not what this is about. I have done some searching, and it looks like whenever someone asks that, the response is that there are a bunch of good ones, and the "BEST" depends on what you need to use it for.
Well, I am picking up a Leo today, i will be trading my iphone 3gs 16gb for it. Unless i get shouting overwhelming opposition saying its a bad idea. which i would listen to.
I could care less about windows mobile and am not a business man. I dont care about apointments, spreadsheet, ect.
All i care about is the internet, text messaging and MMS, and music. Maybe the occasional game here or there to pass time. I dont need anything extra, but Id love to be able to avoid the true windows mobile behind the phone as much as possible. (why trade, i know right? well i dont like mac. and everyone and their mother has an iphone)
So, in light of that, can anyone here please offer me some advice? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If you have multiple suggestions that fit my needs, I dont mind trying a couple out. I had a T Mobile Wing back in the day(ghetto processor and no ram) and i flashed a few roms, so i should be able to figure it back out relatively easily.
Thanks!
Simple answer. Read and keep flashing until you find the right one for what you install and how you use your phone! Good luck.
haha sounds like a good idea.
could anyone point me in the right direction for a few good, stable lightweight ones? speed with minimal crapware, although i do like aesthetically pleasing features.
do you need chinese input?
if yes...u only got 3 choices like me...hehe
Merlion, MaesusLeo, or Flashmore Sense.
if u don't need chinese input, then you will be spoilt for choices.
there are just too many to list.
u can start by trying Energy Rom by NRGZ28 and play from there.
regardless of what you flash...u will keep flashing as it never is enough.
read the rom details before u flash...some includes a lot of extras which u may not need
please also understand most are provided free by the cookers...so pls don't complain if one doesn't satisfy you...just move on...hehe
however...cookers also welcome feedbacks.
haha, yes i know i hear that you get addicted to flashing. However, id like to be able to find a good one that works and stick with it, until we get a WM7 or android port
Maybe?
With the things you mentioned I think you might be better with Iphone. Unless you like to tweek, change things, this phone does not have all the free apps that you have. The 1's for hd2 are mostly useful. I love the phone. But you do need to tweek it to your tastes.
cbruffin said:
I know you guys hate it when people ask
"WHATS THE BEST ROM"
so thats not what this is about. I have done some searching, and it looks like whenever someone asks that, the response is that there are a bunch of good ones, and the "BEST" depends on what you need to use it for.
Well, I am picking up a Leo today, i will be trading my iphone 3gs 16gb for it. Unless i get shouting overwhelming opposition saying its a bad idea. which i would listen to.
I could care less about windows mobile and am not a business man. I dont care about apointments, spreadsheet, ect.
All i care about is the internet, text messaging and MMS, and music. Maybe the occasional game here or there to pass time. I dont need anything extra, but Id love to be able to avoid the true windows mobile behind the phone as much as possible. (why trade, i know right? well i dont like mac. and everyone and their mother has an iphone)
So, in light of that, can anyone here please offer me some advice? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If you have multiple suggestions that fit my needs, I dont mind trying a couple out. I had a T Mobile Wing back in the day(ghetto processor and no ram) and i flashed a few roms, so i should be able to figure it back out relatively easily.
Thanks!
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If you don't like WinMobile, but you do like the iphone, I recommend keeping your iphone. The HD2 is a WinMo device, so it takes work and tweaking to get it the way you want. You are not going to be able to avoid WinMo behind it, and the fact that you say that, I think you will regret your decision. Don't get me wrong, I love my HD2, as I have loved all my WinMo devices. I bought this phone because it is WinMo. If you're hoping for an android or WP7 port, I'd just wait for a WinPhone7 or android device, as it's not guaranteed we will have fully functional ports for either on the HD2.
Any rom you flash is still going to be WinMo. And the sense interface that covers up WinMo has some issues with text messages and MMS, which you say is important to you. You will not get an iphone like experience from a HD2.
If you could care less about WinMo, THIS IS NOT THE PHONE FOR YOU. Most people you see complaining about this phone are the ones who bought it not understanding it's a WinMo phone or bought it as an "entertainment" device. It's a WinMo device. If you want a strictly entertainment device that "just works", stick with the iphone or get an android phone.
zarathustrax said:
I bought this phone because it is WinMo.
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hehe..i bought this phone bec of XDA forum!!!
which other phone has so much cooked rom to choose from?
i am a heavy outlook + msoffice user...so winmo phone makes sense
zarathustrax said:
If you don't like WinMobile, but you do like the iphone, I recommend keeping your iphone. The HD2 is a WinMo device, so it takes work and tweaking to get it the way you want. You are not going to be able to avoid WinMo behind it, and the fact that you say that, I think you will regret your decision. Don't get me wrong, I love my HD2, as I have loved all my WinMo devices. I bought this phone because it is WinMo. If you're hoping for an android or WP7 port, I'd just wait for a WinPhone7 or android device, as it's not guaranteed we will have fully functional ports for either on the HD2.
Any rom you flash is still going to be WinMo. And the sense interface that covers up WinMo has some issues with text messages and MMS, which you say is important to you. You will not get an iphone like experience from a HD2.
If you could care less about WinMo, THIS IS NOT THE PHONE FOR YOU. Most people you see complaining about this phone are the ones who bought it not understanding it's a WinMo phone or bought it as an "entertainment" device. It's a WinMo device. If you want a strictly entertainment device that "just works", stick with the iphone or get an android phone.
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Thank you for this reply. However, my only expereince with windows mobile in the past was with the t mobile wing. that thing had like a 200 mhz processor and 50 mb of ram. and it was slow and had a resistive screen. thats why i say i want to avoid windows mobile. i dont need all the extra features.
now i dont MIND tweaking it at all. as long as i can get it running smoothly to my needs.
My main problem is that my iphone wont let me use it as a portable hard drive, and i HATE having to use itunes. i hate the hoops i have to jump through to get stuff on and off of my phone, and im tired of being jailbroken just to be able to do things my old moto RAZR could do stock. This is why i wanted to switch, and someone offered me their hd2 as a trade.
jack9999 said:
hehe..i bought this phone bec of XDA forum!!!
which other phone has so much cooked rom to choose from?
i am a heavy outlook + msoffice user...so winmo phone makes sense
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Well, one of the big reasons why I still love WinMo is because of XDA forums.... where else can you find all the info you need to tweak your phone to your liking. But even with all this info, it won't make someone looking for an iphone experience happy with WinMo. WinMo is a lot more versatile and powerful, but it's definitely not as user-friendly as iphone or android phones.
cbruffin said:
Thank you for this reply. However, my only expereince with windows mobile in the past was with the t mobile wing. that thing had like a 200 mhz processor and 50 mb of ram. and it was slow and had a resistive screen. thats why i say i want to avoid windows mobile. i dont need all the extra features.
now i dont MIND tweaking it at all. as long as i can get it running smoothly to my needs.
My main problem is that my iphone wont let me use it as a portable hard drive, and i HATE having to use itunes. i hate the hoops i have to jump through to get stuff on and off of my phone, and im tired of being jailbroken just to be able to do things my old moto RAZR could do stock. This is why i wanted to switch, and someone offered me their hd2 as a trade.
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Just keep in mind it may take some work and learning to get it smooth and working the way you want. It's not "dumbed-down" for everyday people like the iphone. But, it can be so much more versatile, customizable, and powerful if you learn to use it and work around any bugs or snags you may come across. Good luck with your new device. You can find almost any info you will need on this forum.
I really like Kumars rom
If your HD2 is a us tmobile model check the HD2 tmous forum for the roms. All fantastic work.
3 different versions.
premium with some stuff added
classic with a few of the tmob apps left
lite with most everything stripped out.
zstjohn said:
I really like Kumars rom
If your HD2 is a us tmobile model check the HD2 tmous forum for the roms. All fantastic work.
3 different versions.
premium with some stuff added
classic with a few of the tmob apps left
lite with most everything stripped out.
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I seem to have forgot my most important question. Thanks for reminding me
the phone I am trading for is being used on T mobile. But I use AT&T. However, the phone is unlocked. Will it work on AT&T 3g? Or will it be like the first nexus one and only work on 2g?
cbruffin said:
I seem to have forgot my most important question. Thanks for reminding me
the phone I am trading for is being used on T mobile. But I use AT&T. However, the phone is unlocked. Will it work on AT&T 3g? Or will it be like the first nexus one and only work on 2g?
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It will only work with edge. No 3G on AT&T unless you get the australian telstra t9193 HD2. That one costs about $800 to import, though.
cbruffin said:
I know you guys hate it when people ask
"WHATS THE BEST ROM"
so thats not what this is about. I have done some searching, and it looks like whenever someone asks that, the response is that there are a bunch of good ones, and the "BEST" depends on what you need to use it for.
Well, I am picking up a Leo today, i will be trading my iphone 3gs 16gb for it. Unless i get shouting overwhelming opposition saying its a bad idea. which i would listen to.
I could care less about windows mobile and am not a business man. I dont care about apointments, spreadsheet, ect.
All i care about is the internet, text messaging and MMS, and music. Maybe the occasional game here or there to pass time. I dont need anything extra, but Id love to be able to avoid the true windows mobile behind the phone as much as possible. (why trade, i know right? well i dont like mac. and everyone and their mother has an iphone)
So, in light of that, can anyone here please offer me some advice? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If you have multiple suggestions that fit my needs, I dont mind trying a couple out. I had a T Mobile Wing back in the day(ghetto processor and no ram) and i flashed a few roms, so i should be able to figure it back out relatively easily.
Thanks!
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There is no best ROM. But i advise Dutty, Energy or one of CleanEx ROMS...
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There is no best ROM. But i advise Dutty, Energy or one of CleanEx ROMS...
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See it is all personal prefrence when it comes to ROMS, because i really love the OzRom 2.45 Spot on for my needs.
but like the guys said try a few and choose what you like, if your unwilling to try a few, Y the hell get a winmo device PMSL.
Have a go its easy as pie, the devs are kind enough to write guides for the less technical minded person, So you can't really go wrong- Well unless you dont read the threads properly.
I'm purchasing a used HD2 next week and want to know if there is a thread or some other resource that can walk me through the process of installing Andoird on it, in a step-by-step fashion. Also, can someone let me know what the most up-to-date HD2 Android rom release is, and how far along it is? I've never done this before, but I really want to dive in head first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905841
Dive in
Thanks!
I will start reading all of those guides and post more specific questions as I go along.
Any chance someone could tell me what the most up-to-date Android rom is right now?
heres a more direct one for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
Most of us use this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877777
hitting the Thanx meter for me would be nice if this helps
For the love of money and your sanity.. why are you buying an HD2 if you want to run Android??? Buy a desire HD (same size screen, more RAM).. at least it was built and designed for android! Android wont run as smooth on the HD2 as it will on the desire
Benny_L said:
Thanks!
I will start reading all of those guides and post more specific questions as I go along.
Any chance someone could tell me what the most up-to-date Android rom is right now?
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Benny, since "up-to-date" is a fairly subjective term, and the available builds of Andoid (both NAND and SD) change daily (or more!), then that's not a question with a easy, single answer.
Your best bet is to first pour thorugh all the guides that motomudder linked you to above, and then once you've done that you'll be better equiped to know exactly what you want/need in a ROM, and then it'll be much easier for you to go through the available choices and make the best decision for you.
Also, questions like this (and others you have) should either go in the Q&A section, or in the thread for the ROM they're related to...I'll move this one over there now, but please be mindful of this in the future
farcry27 said:
For the love of money and your sanity.. why are you buying an HD2 if you want to run Android??? Buy a desire HD (same size screen, more RAM).. at least it was built and designed for android! Android wont run as smooth on the HD2 as it will on the desire
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PMSL are you for real Android runs flawlessly on the HTC HD2, of course if you've got money to burn id recommend the Desire HD it costs substantially more than the HD2 but in reality isn't THAT much better.
farcry27 said:
For the love of money and your sanity.. why are you buying an HD2 if you want to run Android??? Buy a desire HD (same size screen, more RAM).. at least it was built and designed for android! Android wont run as smooth on the HD2 as it will on the desire
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farcry, although they may not be immediately obvious to you, there are many reasons why an HD2 might be a more suitable solution for somebody, even those who want to run android. Please don't assume that your perspective and experience applies to everyone else
farcry27 said:
For the love of money and your sanity.. why are you buying an HD2 if you want to run Android??? Buy a desire HD (same size screen, more RAM).. at least it was built and designed for android! Android wont run as smooth on the HD2 as it will on the desire
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MOD EDIT: Flaming comments removed
There is MANY MANY reasons why somebody would want want a HD2 specifically for Android over a Desire HD.
1) Price!
2) Specs are very similar.
3) Multiple choice for OS so multiple choice for apps/games.
4) Android runs VERY well on HD2.
5) Price!
6) Price!
7) and more and more.
Thank you for all the replies!
The biggest factor here is price, as many people have already stated. Although network compatibility is actually something I'm relying on right now. I'm in Toronto (Canada), where we have 2 new mobile providers that run on the same AWS band as T-Mobile USA. I'm purchasing a used T-Mobile HD2 so that I can use it (unlocked) on one of these new carriers.
As far as I understand, the Desire HD doesn't even exist in an AWS version, so it's not even an option for me at all. And even if it was, I wouldn't spend that kind of cash on a phone right now. I'm getting the HD2 for a great price... that's what encouraged me to go this route.
Off topic, but has anyone else noticed the price of hd2 has gone UP in the past week or two? Coincides with a couple of software releases as well as articles ABOUT those releases. Just thought it was funny how everybody is now discovering the power of this phone and therefore the price has almost doubled since new year's eve.
Sent from my HD2 using XDA App
Ya, I ended up paying a bit more than I originally expected to. I still got it for dirt cheap compared to the other options that currently exist. Well now that I have it I am very eager to get Android running on it. Wish me luck...