I never intended to be a retail beta tester for SE, but I had to go an lose my X1 a couple of weeks ago while on holiday in Malaysia. Going shopping in Singapore, I was tossing up between the Touch HD2 or the Nokia N900 if I could find it, but lo and behold there was the X2 and in stock everywhere. And so:
The Good
*The screen seems crisper than the X1, but the glossier coating may have something to do with that. Still not much chop in sunlight, though.
*Much quicker to respond changing to landscape, including when switching to keyboard.
*I prefer the look of the new design - much less boxy.
*Panels screen much quicker and slicker.
*Camera better in pretty much every way.
*Nice haptics.
The Bad
*It'd be nice if they didn't release it with a pre-alpha ROM. I'm getting de javu to the X1's R1A with sluggish response, GUI glitches, disappearing SD card and freezing up several times a day.
*The touch screen is ridiculously insensitive to finger use. You need to use the stylus or your fingernail for any sort of accuracy. I haven't yet tried to use the sensitivity hack from the X1.
*I used the hardware cursor keys on the X1 as I found the optical joystick too inaccurate. Too bad they've gone now.
*And been stuck on the keyboard replacing keys I used a heap of like the question mark, apostrophe and particularly the OK button.
*Both Media Player and the one in SlideView (which is presumably essentially a skin for WMP) are broken. They have trouble sticking to my MP3s on the SD card and keep going back to the demo files on the main storage. They also have a fun habit of not playing the next track once one has finished.
*Speaking of main storage, it only comes with about 50Mb free. Way to load us up with bloatware, Sony.
Once you get past the nice shiny looking new panels and down to the Today screen, this is just WM 6.1 with a new start menu. Hopefully, the majority of my gripes, and those of others, will be fixed in (near) future ROM releases.
Until then, I want my X1 back!
i found my X2 the other way around. very responsive to finger presses but very unresponsive to the stylus! i prefer to use the stylus and i have to hold it on the screen for much longer than id like to get it to do anything.
i never use the built in media players on phones as ive yet to see one that has features of a decent standalone program. but from what i can see the X2 media player seems adequate but basic. i installed my Pocketplayer 4 that i had on my x1. one of the best you can get.
my main storage had over 100mb free when i got it... ive installed a few programs on it since i got then and i still have 60mb free, maybe check your installed programs and ditch anything you dont need. you must have stuff on yours thats not from sony.
few gripes i have
why switch to microusb??? so annoying. all my accessories are useless. now ive got to buy new carchargers, spare usb cable etc... oh wait thats probably why! lol
the notification leds dont seem to stay on after recieving a message like the X1 does. not sure if its a bug or an option ive not selected properly.
veeeeery slow at installing cabs. took me 15mins to install pocketplayer. that cant be right.
i would of liked the cursor keys around the optical joystick as before, i used to use them more aswell. but im sure i can adapt.
i agree with the good points, side by side the X2 is much more stylish than the x1. the videos and pictures online really dont do it justice. i like the style of my x1 but you can see sonys influence in the x2 and personally i think its one of the best looking phones out at the moment. The dialer, contacts and messaging all look much better than the x1. i dont know if thats wm6.5 or sony though.
i find it strange that its sluggish and slow at some simple things, yet in other aspects its much much faster than the x1. overall its an improvement and at the moment im happy to stick with the x2. i would say that the X2 is much better as a phone. one thing i noticed when i upgraded from the p1i to the x1 was the x1 seemed to be a pocketpc with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. fingers crossed sony can smooth out the bugs in a (hopefully very soon) firmware release.
@anothadave
1. Micro USB is a must - an international agreement regarding unifying standards.
Micro USB was chosen as a standard for all devices, so actually SE has no decision here....
2. Contacts and messaging is standard 6.5 look however I assume there is also contact app/look in Panels, like on X1 in Media Panel....
Dialer and CommManager is SE.
yeh i assumed that most of the new look is down to the wm6.5 its certainly leagues ahead of the X1.
i did hear about the agreement to use the same connector. so fair enough.
the EUs reasoning behind it is that it will mean less chargers being manufactured because they can all use the same charger. not sure this completely makes sense since a high power phone like the X1 or X2 has a 1500mah battery so will require a much more powerful charger than a phone with only a 500mah battery! otherwise it will take hours to charge it up. i dont think theyve really thought that one out. lol. my x2 charger is 700ma, thats twice as powerful as my old nokia one.
its only cost me £1.60 for a spare micro usb lead and £2 for a new carcharger so thats not too bad, so maybe theres an advantage to a universal standard after all
anothadave: I have the same LED notification problems with SMS too, its as though the phone doesn't wake up when an SMS is recieved, it waits until you wake it up, or a call comes through. I think its a software fault, but whether it will ever get updated / fixed is anyones guess. I emailed SE in the UK to just be told "the Xperia X2 is not available or supported in the UK therefore we recommend you contact your supplier" very helpful i'm sure you'll agree
i don't have an x2, but i stumbled across this reg-setting over at the hd2-forum. since these are winmo-reg-keys, it might work for you guys too? worth a try.
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24. Enable LED Notification Setting in Sound and Notifications
If you want your LED to flash when you have a new message, missed call or voicemail.. well you can't as it is greyed out. However the following registry entries can be modified to enable them or use the cab at end of post. Reset after changes. Notifcation for Email sadly does not work
New Message:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877 D65B-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}]
"AvailableOptions"=dword: change to 15
Missed Call:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877 D660-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}]
"AvailableOptions"=dword: change to 15
Voice Mail:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877 D661-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}]
"AvailableOptions"=dword: change to 15
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in sounds and notifications theres the options to turn on illuminations. i had turned it on and selected "no limit" i assumed this meant it would flash until i read the message. but it flashes one sequence and stops. ive now selected the maximum time of 60mins and now it will repeatedly flash until i read the message. (im assuming it will stop after 60mins though) so the bug is with the "no limit" selection. maybe somewhere in the registry its possible to increase the 60mins.
well, it was worth a try...
if you want to try something:
on my x1 the led-options are available and blink "unlimited". (missed call at 12pm, still blinking in the morning)
the values for the 3 strings above are set to: (from top to bottom)
7
4
7
more on topic:
if i understand you guys correctly, x2's firmware is actually snappier in most parts than the official x1? since it's more or less exactly the same hardware, it would have been possible to fix the x1 as well, they simply didn't want to?
(i can still remember the words "flagship", "premium model" and "extended support". the price tag i remember too. as well as the fact that they actually stopped software-support after ~5 months in march 2009...)
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in sounds and notifications theres the options to turn on illuminations. i had turned it on and selected "no limit" i assumed this meant it would flash until i read the message. but it flashes one sequence and stops. ive now selected the maximum time of 60mins and now it will repeatedly flash until i read the message. (im assuming it will stop after 60mins though) so the bug is with the "no limit" selection. maybe somewhere in the registry its possible to increase the 60mins.
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I just tried the same settings but no luck. mine still does the same. does anyone know the reg tweak? or how to get the phone to wake up on recieving a text?
the values of "availableoptions" on mine = 4294967295 lol. theyre the same for all three no matter what length of time i select.
yes i would say that for most things the X2 is snappier. theres a bit of lag in scrolling through messages though. and when i hold the stylus on the screen the little circle takes a long time to appear. but im sure somewhere that can be made faster.
the dialler and the panels are much much quicker. i had the spb 3 panel and it would sometimes take upto half a minute to load up when selected on the x1. now its only 5 seconds. the tilewave panel appears within 2 or 3 seconds. the growing panel was a bit longer at 8 to 10 seconds. massive improvement ove the ones i had on the x1.
ive had a few crashes though. where the screen just corrupts and ive got to reset it. still doesnt feel like the firmware is 100% finished. possibly why vodafone dropped the X2. if the guys at sony stick with it and iron out the remaining bugs then the x2 will be a very nice device.
im not sure they could of fixed the x1 without changing the OS, remember the x2 is on wm6.5. which is where most of the improvements seem to come from. if they officially upgraded the x1 to wm6.5 then i suspect it could of been much more reliable. i dont think sony can upgrade from wm6 to wm6.5 without paying microsoft again. theyre not going to spend money on new licenses and testing for whats now an obselete phone. sony did the same to the p- series. they would support each model for 6months maybe a year and then abandon it once the next one appeared. 5months support for the x1 seems about average. i remember a big online fuss when they stopped supporting the p990. that was another good but flawed phone. the p1i was definately the peak of the series. took them 5 goes to get there though!
Just for clarification, from what I read, I understand that everybody who is getting the X2 now is getting pre-official release phones (I mean, it does not seem that Sony itself has officially released the phone, and the phones being sold are the ones that were in stock for previous expected release dates), is this correct?
- If so, everyone agrees that hardware will be the same as the official release?
- Will one be able to upgrade with no problem to newer ROMs released by SE, including official release ROM?
- Will there be (for sure) an update to WM 6.5.3, which seems to be a huge improvement on initial 6.5?
Thanks for your answers.
BTW, doministry, was X2 released on the 18th in Poland? Did you play with it?
mbernstein said:
Just for clarification, from what I read, I understand that everybody who is getting the X2 now is getting pre-official release phones (I mean, it does not seem that Sony itself has officially released the phone, and the phones being sold are the ones that were in stock for previous expected release dates), is this correct?
- If so, everyone agrees that hardware will be the same as the official release?
- Will one be able to upgrade with no problem to newer ROMs released by SE, including official release ROM?
- Will there be (for sure) an update to WM 6.5.3, which seems to be a huge improvement on initial 6.5?
Thanks for your answers.
BTW, doministry, was X2 released on the 18th in Poland? Did you play with it?
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I believe that the hardware in the phones we have recieved are the same as what would be in the official release. Some countries official release has been and the phone is available, for others the official release will never come
ROM updates will work with all release handsets, prototypes may not be upgradable. However since SE have dropped the X2 in many countries it is highly unlikely there will ever be any updates, except for maybe the X2a which is delayed until Summer.
With regards to 6.5.3 I can't see it happening, I geniunely belive SE have given up on the X2, and anyone who has one (myself included) will never see any updates.
@anothadave:
thanks for the examples. that's exactly what i wanted to know. well, at least it looks like they got it right this time. ^^ (apart from the usual beta-bugs)
it's not connected to winmo 6.5, because 6.1 is still a bit faster as 6.5. it's connected to their adaptation of winmo to a specific device (drivers etc, call it the foundation). have you ever played with an htc touch pro 2? same hardware as the x1, but faster and smoother in every aspect, both run on 6.1.
so it's simply a question of "did they want to?" and the answer is "nope. if you want that, pay again." SE deserves a major backlash in sales figures for this strategy. (as does almost any company, i know, i don't live in the past. ^^) they even stopped their ongoing development for x1 in summer 09 (remember the half-official 6.5-xip?), just to protect the x2. which means the x1 actually got shelved in march 2009. (last update)
not a treatment for which i'll give them € 600+ again.
but this has been discussed many times in the forums, i don't want to start this all over again, just wanted confirmation since people are holding the x2 in hands now.
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With regards to 6.5.3 I can't see it happening, I geniunely belive SE have given up on the X2, and anyone who has one (myself included) will never see any updates.
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errr? did i miss something?
are you saying the x2 won't get a worldwide release?
caliban2 said:
errr? did i miss something?
are you saying the x2 won't get a worldwide release?
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I believe it's a bull****.
First - X2 is officially released, at least here in Poland and available.
They definitely don't sell any prototypes, what a crap...
Secondly - why X2 wouldn't get updates?
Every SE had them, like P1 and X1 so why not?
Regarding WM 6.5.3 - it depends on when it will be officially pushed to market!
Now there's no device with that version beeing released,
so we have to wait I believe.
And once it's done I believe all existing WM 6.5 devices will get it,
however I cannot be sure since this was never confirmed by Microsoft.
im in the uk and i bought my X2 off of ebay. not sure where it was imported from but its definately an official release. i didnt ask where it had come from but i assumed it was from the US or Asia as i thought sony had released the X2 there a couple weeks ago?
i downloaded the sony update program and the X2 is one of the first to appear on the list. even the official sony website lists the X2 quite prominantly.
anyone notice how fast the X2 eats through the battery? mine was 100% lastnite and down to 50% by the morning! i always make sure all background programs are closed too.
I never said it woulnd't or isn't being officially released, I simply said it has been dropped in some markets. The UK is a fine example of where the X2 will never see an official release, as of today its even been removed from the SE Store where its been on pre-order since last October.
My gut instinct just tells me that they will focus heavily on the X10 now, and that the X2 will be lucky to see any updates. I could be wrong, but we'll see...
yeh its unlikely it will ever officially appear in the uk now. sony usually make a "world generic" firmware for their phones. so im sure the X2 will be supported in that fashion. its still being sold in the rest of the world so us UK users will just have to look a bit harder for updates. sony are definately going to be putting all their UK resources into the X10. what i dont get is why are there never any adverts on telly for sony phones?? 5mins dont pass without an advert for an iphone. yet i dont think ive ever seen an advert for a sony phone. then they complain noone buys the damn things! lol.
good point. the last Sony Ericsson advert I remember was with the original cybershot camera phone, since then I haven't seen any really
Ive used the X1 for about 1 year now.
Must say that I'm not really that impressed on the X2 , but by all means its a nice phone. But if you compare it to the other phones that has the same price class you will get much more if you chose another device.
Currently I'm testing it out will get back in a day or two with more info.
Related
I have used many blackberry devices and PDA's for my work before and could not wait to get my hands on an EXEC.
It looks supurb it rearly does, It will make your m8's jaws drop.
Thebox it comes in makes you think WOW! I have some nice kit here.
Beyond the box though, You have to start it up, Here you will start to wonder!
It will take about 2 Mins to boot from Cold (1 1/2 mins longer than a 486 PC booting into Windows 98 )
Does not matter what mode you go in, Basic, Advanced or Corporate.
You click on Start And after a small delay you may get the menu.
As you start to navigate through Windows Mobile 5 you will instantly notice the sluggish response and this is all before you even install anything on it.
I read all the pre release reviews about this device and am surprised that no one commented on this speed issue!
You learn to notice that the PDA side is too slow to use compaired to other PDA devices.
TOM TOM users will expeirence massive difficulty and incompatibility issues.
The Exec and other Universal devices was the first time that sees the Windows Mobile 5 Software and as such is so buggy you may as well be using a beta version. Software is very scare's compaired to other windows mobile and SE builds.
Reports are starting to come through about the hinge of the screen, though I did not experience this. Be Warned.
The phone functions I had no problems with, Conversations was clear and had not experienced any missed calls like users of the Jas Jar have reported.
The device is much heaver than you may expect and much more bulky due to it's clamshell form factor (fold up keyboard and swivel screen)
With all the above issue's I was personally Dissapointed and ended up selling on this forum after 2 Day's of having the device.
( http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31002 )
There may be Flash updates in the very near future though It Pi**es me off that companies release this crap before ironing out this massive issues. I mean did they rearlly thing we would not notice?
Stick to a Blackberry or PDA Stand alone.
ME.. I have just ordered myself a Nokia 8800 and will stick to my HP PDA.
I can see your point about some of the bugs with the device, but every xda has had these and they have been pretty much sorted out with time. Personally I love my exec, it is everything I hoped it would be, and yes, there are annoying glitches (I don't like the O2 ROM) but overall it is working very well. Sorry you had such a bad experience with yours!
Fin
hmm
Love my mda pro,
works a charm in my eyes, and all new mobiles have these problems, after an update or a change of rom it will all be fine.
The problem here is that you buy a state of the art phone/pda, of course it has bugs.. buy a new model car and it will have child faults too. these are minor and will be solved in updates.
I have been using my mda pro for a week now and must say it is the coolest phone/pda ever. the screen is to die for!! I don't even look at my mda 3 screen anymore lol. makes me cry haha
There is no other phone/mda right now which has such great working wifi and a vga screen.
This is a phone/pda for someone who loves to have a mini tablet pc with phone function.
How can you compare this with a blackberry? LMAO got stocks in that company? LOL Do blackberry's have vga screens? hahaha the Universal is a PC and that is what we love!!
Anyway.. the universal is here to stay and is the market leader.. and it certainly helps in keeping development going forward!!
:twisted:
I have a JJ and the call quality has been good (and video calling works okay). There are problems with WM5 (but M$ has never been in the business to produce quality software!). But for me, as a Nokia 9500 user, is the lack of proper phone functions in WM5 that is surprising.
The performance will improve if you turn off the error reporting. But I am still surprised how slow the device is compared to my Treo 650, which only has a 312Mhz processor and has persistent memory.
Like all these devices reviews etc are available so perhaps people should do a bit more research before they buy one?
ehhh
that is like comparing Apples to Oranges.
Just don't buy a MS device if you don't like them! I also have a spv c550, great phone but loads of probs with that new 230pix screen and tomtom5 haha, but still i love it.
nokia, SE p910i and treo are symbian phones and have their own limitations and mishaps. :twisted: had them all and never liked their restricted GUI.
Nagging we all can, i just love it that we have windows based phones and pda's and will certainly keep buying them. And so will a large group of followers hehe
http://my-symbian.com/forum/ should be the place for you ahhaha
I agree, i had all the nokia 9000 series phones and loved them but I use the excel and the symbian software slaughters excel and the Nokia 9500 could not even handle the transfer of excel files to computer when I bought one and the place I bought it from "Techoni Mobile Phones Australia" said wait for an update from Nokia when I rang and said I wanted my money back as I said to them that they sold me a product that doesn't do as advertised. I will never buy off that company again. The JJ / Exec is an incredible phone/PDA.
Er..I was trying to say the JJ is okay for me...even though it is not complete. I use all types of devices I have no preference I just want something that helps me do things better. I agree about the Nokia word/excel issues, Nokia were silly about this.
Edit: @dvl, the Treo is not Symbian and next there will be a WM5 version of the Treo released. M$ are really pleased with the Treo WM5 as they recognise the hardware is designed well and M$ have had help from Palm to improve the UI.
are all tomtom related issues not a matter of tomtom's software not being 2005 friendly or buggy ?
hehe
You are right, treo is palm, hehe but kinda similar to symbian..
but you made a true statement.. I LOVE THE TREO600/650's feel, touch and looks. And now that they come with WM5 in it i will certainly by that phone.. No doubt about it. And it will be a market leader when it comes out.
ALthough it will not be a Universal.. hehe
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hi
i tend to disagree ...ive had my universal for almost 2 months now.. and have no problems with it... connecivity wise or hinge wise
the only thing disappointing me till now (its not related to universal) is that while some devs have updated their softwares most have not yet done so or havent released a fully stable version for wm5
I'm using JJ for the last one month and I have no problem with it at all.
At the beginning I used to experience some troubles with the low speed of the device but after a while, I made some changes to the settings of the JJ and everyting is working fine now.
I think that JJ is having everyting I need and much more.
Still there are some issues to be resolved like the Video full screen play back and other issues, but in General it is the best PDA I have ever used.
Regards,
Any news about new updates/apps/panels etc ?
Things i would like to see:
1- specialized UI for Xperia made by SE. Most WM phones got one, why not Xperia?
Media Panel looks really nice, why not expand that into a complete UI skin ?
2- youtube panel
3- faster panel switching time. Currently its good and fast, but we still need it to be faster....
What do you guys think ?
very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
its a waste of time checking for new panels on the SE site.
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
When a firmware update will be available?
ijob said:
why are independent developers not producing any to purchase?
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'coz panel are limited to xperia users as panels interface goues officially only on x1
and panels sucks imho
Well, the guy who bought the first fax machine was a complete idiot. Because there was no one to fax to.
Or remember at the end of the 90? When no one was willing to buy a DVD-Player because there were only around 5 Movies on DVD (which we already had on CD-i ;-) ) and the film studios didn't want to release DVDs because no one had got a DVD-Player?
With the panels and the Xperia X1 it's a bit similar - it will take some time, until creative and talented developers have got a X1 for their own.
im REALLY hoping for a YouTube panel.
any progammer with a lot of spare time??
i like panels there is a free sdk so everybody can make whatever they want
if they got the skills
of cause compared to iphone there is no central place to check and access them
but looking at the very closed way apple handle it and non disclosure agreement apple handle
it developers are not even allowed to talk with each-other
and they have to pay apple to get apps in the store
and apps can only be developed on a mac not a windows or linux computer
i pity iphone developers really
but granted it's bad news for other wm phone owners if programs are only made as panels and not as programs they can use
ithehappy said:
When a firmware update will be available?
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Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
ijob said:
very annoying and I'm beginning to get very envious of those with iphones
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Believe me... Xperia is a far better device than the iPhone. iPhone was a breakthrough device, sure, but Xperia is more powerful. (I have been using an iPhone 1st Gen since it was released, and have literally not touched it since i got my Xperia)
Sure iPhone has a lot of stuff out for it... but you can't compare panels to iPhone's apps and games... panels are something different. If you wanna talk about games and apps, then more and more windows mobile apps and games are starting to support the Xperia/Touch-HD resolution and so we'll see more soon.
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
Well lets hope that sonyericsson does not treat this platform the same way they treated uiq.. Uiq is more or less dead today.. Had an m600 from se,uppgraded with their very latest (and last)firmware and still buggy like hell..
Hopefully we can get a firmware update with:
a) IE 6
b) faster panel switching
As far as the panels are concerned, SE is going to have to make XPERIA a brand before we start seeing more and more panels created. It's like the whole chicken and the egg thing, but the ball is really in SE's court.
I downloaded and looked at the SDK last night, looked alright. I bet developers are waiting to see how committed SE is to the XPERIA brand.
pf said:
What are you cruying for? The other companies had to give fast updates because of the bad first ROM. SE made the best ROM I have ever seen at a PPC. It is the most stable PPC I ever had and even with this first ROM. Not to believe! What to wish more? The more time to wait for the x1 was good used by SE
There seem to be only a very few very small issues (as bluetooth disconnecting at some devices, I am lucky not to have this problem till now) and I am sure there will be an update for them.
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i'm agree with pf. i used htc phones like elf, nike, kaiser even the blackstone
but xperia was the fastest and stable, the keyboard responds fast not like the kaiser. when you use tf3d its responds faster than the diamond. there are little things but which phone is perfect??
i have no issue with the rom. i have everything original don't need to tweak anything causes only crashes.
johnchan78 said:
Its very frustrating that the Omnia, HD Touch, etc. all already have had firmware updates/upgrades/improvements, yet our Xperia is STILL on the original version.
Is this actually what we should expect from SE, because it is actually HTC producing the phone, but HTC cannot directly release a firmware (even if they know about problems)? I would presume HTC is the one that is handling the firmware, and SE is simply adding their panels, so any firmware updates should come from HTC then re-badged and renamed as an "SE" firmware update?
If that is the case, what is SE's track record of releasing firmwares? In fact, do you think SE has to PAY for each firmware update to HTC? Maybe we shouldn't even expect any firmware updates because of this?!
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I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
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I dont know about the whole "SE buying updates from HTC" but I can tell you that at least here in Sweden a firmware update is imminent. The actual update is done and is now being evaluated by the operators before release.
Oh, and about SEs track record for updates... its never been very good.
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Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
Youtube
Here is the Youtube Panel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462595
rotsu said:
Wait a sec. If there is an update that you have heard of? please share it!
Honestly the main thing i would like to see in X1 is an UI shell similar to HTC or Omnia. I know SE love to have their phones with top of the line UIs. But with X1, they did nothing..... beside a nice looking media panel.
About the app store, i think i have heard that MS is working on an app store when they release WM 6.5/7 will be similar to what iphone app store.
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Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
johnchan78 said:
Woo yes do tell us about the updated Xperia firmware that is coming... anything would be good!!!
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Sorry, I have no information regarding what's actually in this update. I only know this because that's what SE support have told me in an email reply.
Truthfully though, I wouldn't put too much faith into what SE support says. I talked to them about another matter about a month ago adn was promised that a fw update would come out "any day now, at the latest two weeks before xmas"... nah, don't think so
Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
I think the RAM "issue" has been addressed many times so far, the additional RAM that is not visible to the end-user is allocated for the graphics, the same implementation is done on the Touch HD.
Although i wasn't that impressed with the implementation of the panels, and indeed i was expecting more of active panels instead of images to click on and change desktop, i can also see some benefits of it. And the SDK clearly states that the panels can be active, i guess we would have to wait and see if they implement that feature going forward.
As for the registry tweaks, had it been an actual HTC device you would have to perform exactly the same tweaks and probably install SPB mobile shell on top of it because TF3D is also just a gimmick and one gets bored with it quite quickly.
It is in the nature of Windows Mobile that all of the devices with this OS actually do need a high level of customization by the user. Out of the box it gives you the basics and then it is up to the user to install programs or tweak the system to get more out of it...but that is also the good thing about it!
xperian said:
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
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So, in your belief, FERRARIS wouldn't need a warranty because they never have to be repaired or serviced ??
And why did you pay $1000 for a phone you can get for around $600-$700 ?? (clove.co.uk, smart-mobile-gadgets.com, ebay, etc, etc)
Any why did you find panels so disgusting ??
Have you seen the tools SONY posted for free-panels development ??
I think I will start learning how to "cook panels" instead of ROMs 'cos I am in love
I absolutely agree with the OP. This will be the last Sony Ercisson phone I will buy. I bought this thing the first week it came out. I felt like I got a prototype model. Crack in the stylus housing, directional button coating peeling off. Sony have not acknowleged the problems. Also the the signal is garabage, now maybe it's HTC hardware and HTC built phone but Sony need to step up and give us some support. Also Sony suck at firmware update and fixing issue. Don't even get me started on their panels crap, I love the idea, they market the panels but they don't have any development going on. Sure they release the SDK for it but for most everyday users, we just want to go on to the website and download it, not all of us are dev. Sorry for me venting but I've had enough of Sony crap. Thank god for xda-dev, if not for these wonderful members we have here, I would probably throw this thing against the wall the first month I got it.
@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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Hmm, just a remark - xda work is for HTC and X1 too, in fact HTC does not offer anything substantially more than X1 in any way.
As for Ferrari, actually these cars have amazing amount of issues besides their amazing engines, including buttons and controls falling apart in their control desk/interior...
I understand you somehow, however I use panels and consider them ultimately best for me, better than any UI solutions....
I disagree with most of your points but a couple. I was at the Crackberry forums and have seen the Blackberry storm receive or have leaked about 5 or so official firmware updates adding new features and fixing bugs and enhancing peeformance. We have gotten exactly zero in a longer duration of time. Now the X1 didn't have all the problems the Blackberry Storm had, but its not perfect either. I don't expect any firmware updates...SE software support isnt as good as RIMs. Luckily there is so much you can do with Windows Mobile out of the box.
Yes, we have lack of upgrades so far and that's no good.
Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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of course there's custom roms, some working really well but not anyone whitout issues...
I think that at least SE shoudl release an update (for normal people who don't want to mess with custom roms and breaking it's warranty) to at least fix the bluetooth issue... do you think it's normal that I can't use my X1 with my bt car handsfree made by SE?
and yes, the vaio seem like a comedy... my mom got one last year and since then no updates, no bios... no drivers... we'll never get a VAIO again... we'll go for a dell like the one I have, lot's of updates, new drivers, always improving things and enhancing features.
**** SE... why the can't be like SCEE that release lot's of PS3 upgrades?.
xperian said:
Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
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Don't agree. Had one now for 2 months and not much wrong with it. In my humble opinion the phone goes well. You must have got a dud.
For me, X1 is the best WM Phone to date, no problem at all.
I really... and completely dont care about official update. I'll use only customized ROM anyway, cus it can go beyond any official ROM can do.
Only thing I care is how will they repair my phone when it fu.ked up.
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
fhsieh said:
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
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Alright, you have a point there. Three things:
- SE support was fine, I got it back repaired after 3 weeks (christmas time, so 3 weeks is okay)
- I'm not telling to boycott SE. I am merely wondering why almost everything usable comes from these forums or HTC rips. I think it would be more fair to actually buy a HTC device when using all the TouchFlo stuff and things.
- The hardware itself is about the same with HTC/SE, but I think it's the software that makes it or breaks it... I hope SE will put more effort into it with the X2.
As HTC produce X1, I think HTC also responsible for firmware development on X1 too.
It is not so difficult to understand why support on HTC branded products is better than on X1, X1 is not their brand and X1 is their competitor.
It is not good for HTC to make X1 equal or better than their own products.
Meh, I have owned over 5 Sony Ericsson cell phones so far and have had no problems with them that is until I got the Xperia! Why is the most expensive Sony Ericsson phone I have owned the worst I have ever had? This phone is not worth the $1,300CAD+ that $147 import fee I paid for it. I have waited a while trying different roms and programs before saying anything bad about it because I had hope Sony would get their act together but now...
Like its embarrassing when one of my friends are testing my Xperia out and it freezes up on them when i tell them how much I paid for it lol... I’m wondering how many times have you guys had to hard reset your Xperia’s? My Xperia works great! When I’m not using it...
Xperia Software Updated... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482
sad to hear but then again tweak and stuff is the thigs that will hold this phone up.. find workarounds and so forth.. developers might find alternative ways for the stuff people misses on the phone.. have some faith
There is an interesting mix of 'stuff' on this forum at present and what seems to be a considerable amount of interest and emotion around the HD2. There are:
Threads asking for opinions on upgrades
Threads slating the device
Threads doing the basic 'work' of the forum (in my opinion) i.e. sharing information, trying to find ways of making things work, helping one another out, etc
Judging by the critical threads and by those jumping in to defend the device, there are two essentially polarised schools of thought; those who love it and those who loath it (and of course, many shades in between).
Many of those who hate the device seem to be inclined to share their dissatisfaction in the interests of providing balance for those considering a purchase, so instead of the emotion and mud slinging, how about a simple poll so that everyone can submit their own view in as dispassionate a manner as possible?
No comment!
IPhone Windows Style
I cant wait until My Pink Photo phone is warrantied so I can load a different ROM on it. This phone out of the box is so locked down on features it even hides two games. To install owner information you have to fill out your contact card not Owner information through windows because it is nonexistent without reg edit. If I didn't know how do do some Reg Editing I think I might have thrown this phone even at the $800 US Price tag. I cannot even switch the view to landscape in Excel, so now I can only see half of my spread sheets.
On the plus side the 1 GHZ processor runs all of my programs at lightning fast speeds. The screen is big enough to enjoy anything you do on this phone. The cellular radio has great reception I have not dropped a call yet.
I'm in the US, so like many of my brethren, I'm waiting for my order to be shipped.
I may have some problems with the phone, but truthfully, if not for the trailblazers and those having problems, I would be lost in most of the issues I'll run across.
Ultimately, the specs on this device make it too delicious not to love.
Positive
This is the best device I have ever owned.
I started with an XDAII, which was classic and the 2nd of it's kind, that is, a computer phone.
HTC pioneered this, making the first, the XDA.
They solved many of the power issues and other technical issues of earlier pda's and melded the mobile phone with the pocket computer.
It was instantly better than any Nokia.
I have owned many classics like O2 Mini, Atom, Polaris and HD.
Though it is a good phone without needing any major changes, I couldn't stand not being able to customise my phone at the cellular level.
But then, I have built a dozen hi performance pc's in my time and similarly would not be happy with a DELL or a Mac or anything like that. I owned a top line powermac 12 years ago that cost 22 G's but my HD2 is 10 times more powerful, has the same size storage and fits in my pocket.
There are plenty of phone-computers that cannot be customised and so there is no scope for the problems that can arise in trying to mod a phone to make it do things an ordinary phone can't.
What's not to like?
Have to say when I got mine i was sooo impressed and yes for a while it was unconditional love.
Realised the shortfalls pretty quickly but they are minor and I can live with them.
However after 3 days the phone completely died and (fingers crossed) the replacement is due this morning.
C'mon vodafone / parcelforce ... make me happy again ......
GG
Xaddict said:
HTC Touch HD
Miri Manila 2.5 Rev 13
Donated to my girl
(so she won't be mad at me for buying an HD2)
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lol very wise mate.
Initial Analysis...
With just over 50 responses in, the poll results, to me at least, are a more accurate reflection of end user response to the HD2, with around 70% of respondees either liking or loving the device.
Interestingly, the modal response (just) is currently 'like it, but accept that it needs tweaking'.
Around 10% of responses are ambivalent and less than 10% dislike or hate the device. This tends to back up the suspicion that the noisy negative threads reflect the minority, rather than the majority.
The balance of responses are in the 'don't have it yet, but will/won't get it', where there is little to choose between the two responses.
I'd like to believe that the poll approach gives everyone a chance to state their opinion in non-emotive terms, so for those contemplating a purchase the XDA recommendation currently seems to be 'go for it'.
I'm also of the personal opinion that a 70% early adopter approval rating isn't too bad for a bleeding edge device that will only improve with HSPL/USPL and cooked ROMs.
Nice, i like your thinking and giving objective statistics to the crowd!
I'm going to give this a gentle nudge as I'd like to be sure it captures the opinions of as many HD2 users as possible, plus there are still people asking for opinions on the phone and whether they should upgrade.
As it stands, there have been 73 responses (I think 64 of those are from people who actually own the device) and the dislikers/haters number precisely 5 of that 64, with a further 6 ambivalent.
Unless a good many HD2 owners are so appalled by the device that they won't even register their vote it seems clear that the overwealming majority are happy with the device.
Wouldn't be wonderful if that meant a bit more of a useful tone in some of the threads in this forum. At least the number of 'Kill all HTC emplyees, kill them all and slaughter their families, beat them to beath with iPhones' type threads does seem to have dropped off a bit...which is nice.
I've had my HD2 since Monday 30th November and I am very pleased with it.
I upgraded from a Touch HD and found the capacitive screen ( using the pad of my finger ) on the HD2 compared to the resistive screen ( using my fingernail ) on the Touch HD took a bit of getting used to. Once I mastered the new typing style required by the HD2 I found it very fast and accurate to use. I have not applied any fixes for the screen.
The only problem I have with this PPC is stopping myself from playing with it
In light of the threads that seem to keep being opened by those with an axe to grind against the HD2, I'm going to give this a nudge as I still feel that a nice, simple poll is the best, emotion-free way to gather opinion about the HD2.
I truly don't go big on conspiracy theories and smear campaigns but the evidence of 98 votes in the poll so far say that two users don't like their HD2 but are stuck with it and another three users hated it so much they have binned it.
Approximately 5% of HD2 users therefore seem to be accounting for an awful lot of noise, heat and light. Worse still, they are clogging up a forum that should be helping those of us that do like the device to get the most from it. I don't know about anyone else, but that's why I'm here, not to have increasingly petty arguments. There is an old proverb about a wise man arguing with a fool; very quickly it becomes difficult to tell which is which. Sound familiar?
I don't hate the iPhone - don't rate it either, nor did my wife, a convinced technophobe who is now very happily using my old HD having binned the iphone - and I don't think that people who don't like the HD2 are intrinsically bad people, but I do wish what appears to be a very small minority would have their say and jog on.
The fact that they don't and that they keep on (and on and on (and on and on and on)) making their points about the HD2 is suspicious, but maybe the poll is lying. So here's a bump - if you haven't already voted, do so now, especially the HD2 haters. Let's have some objectivity and balance instead of flame...ready? Go
This should be sticky
75% satisfaction and 10% ambivalent is better than what the iPhone scored in some surveys.
Gustopher said:
In light of the threads that seem to keep being opened by those with an axe to grind against the HD2, I'm going to give this a nudge as I still feel that a nice, simple poll is the best, emotion-free way to gather opinion about the HD2.
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Well I definitely like it. No digital device has ever wowed me so much that I didn't want to tweak it. The 'killer app' of the HD2 is in fact its tweakability (is that in the dictionary?) That's what makes it win out over the iPhone.
All of my frustrations are with the WM 6.5 operating system, and all my admiration is with HTC for virtually relegating WM to a background sub-system, where it belongs. (Don't hold your breath hoping that WM 7 is going to be a better user interface than HTSense.)
I've been trying to get a HD2 and not going anywhere. I've got two vodafone accounts (one for 14years, one for over 10) and they totally screwed me over in getting the HD2 by deliberately sending a Satio in my order instead of the HD2 thus removing me from the order list which I had got on the 15th, one day after the device was released.
They never then called me back when they got stock of course despite putting in several more orders. Even getting my PAC got me nowhere.
Sadly all vodafone reps on the phone say they love the HD2 instead of the iphone. I personally feel that vodafone are bullying people into the sub-standard iphone and especially 360 devices for profits.
What I did agree on with the vodafone reps are that:
Pros of HD2
a) Great large screen
b) still surprisingly pocketable (like TG01)
c) faster than any other device.
d) Battery DOES last longer than iphone (I got 5hours of iphone 3gS use on vodafone greece network with mild usage).
e) high-res screen.
f) will support WM7.
g) has more ROM space than many other devices.
h) You do not have to jailbreak the device and worry about apple updates bricking your device. HSPL lets you put in new cooked ROMs, you cannot even do that on an iphone.
i) Less jokey than the iphone. I dont see it as a serious device.
j) If you can cope with the technical stuff and the sheer volume of tweaks a WM6.5 device can be anything you want it to be!!!
k) it is not out of the question in the future to put android on the HD2 either.
l) Tons of useful software, not just gimmick stuff!!!
m) microsdhc can be up to 32GB now, just released in Times Square in Hong Kong. branded 16GB dirt cheap (class 6).
Cons:
a) SMS issue is worrying for a prospective user especially as the problems seem widespread on Vodafone UK.
b) Yes, pink camera issue, but i couldnt care less about it.
c) HSPL for official ROM upgrades around vodafone is almost like jailbreaking.
d) the tweaks and stuff is quite technical - and there is just so much of it!!! but of course this is also a pro!!
e) Battery quality seems variable. Some good units out there, some bad.
f) So much to tinker, so much to break!!!!
In short, the HD2 has no competitor due to the processor and the screen size and its resolution. Sure it's not 16M, but that can come with an upgrade.
It has the grunt for the future with the CPU, you have chainfire to compete with cortex+gpu, and enough ROM and RAM and you can tweak it to your heart's content!!!
I say the HD2 is a WINNER - I CAN fix most of the issues or ignore them, or avoid them just like i do with my E65 every day. What I can't get on another device is the screen. I do pray that I dont get teh SMS issue though.
I just have to make sure HD2 fits in my tight pockets!!! (31" waist).
I am going to have to admit that, when I opened the box and powered on the device, I was bouncing up and down with glee. And I still was for days. I stopped bouncing when a) it started hurting and b) some minor niggles reared their heads.
1. When I adjust the volume on the music tab, with music playing, it stutters and does not show the slider. If I lock the device or use a different tab, it's fine.
2. Today, after about a week of use, the much-touted SMS not sending issue struck me. This may be to do with me not trimming my message box - but apparently HTC are working on it and in the meantime I can disable the HTC messaging app and use the basic WinMo one which is still highly functional, and everything works.
These have reduced my enjoyment level a little - I paid £475 for this device and to be fair I expect it to have, at most, very very minor issues, but I still enjoy it, I think it is a marvellous bit of kit and look forward to HTC's fixes addressing everything.
chris_ah1 said:
I've been trying to get a HD2 and not going anywhere. I've got two vodafone accounts (one for 14years, one for over 10) and they totally screwed me over in getting the HD2 by deliberately sending a Satio in my order instead of the HD2 thus removing me from the order list which I had got on the 15th, one day after the device was released.
They never then called me back when they got stock of course despite putting in several more orders. Even getting my PAC got me nowhere.
Sadly all vodafone reps on the phone say they love the HD2 instead of the iphone. I personally feel that vodafone are bullying people into the sub-standard iphone and especially 360 devices for profits.
What I did agree on with the vodafone reps are that:
Pros of HD2
a) Great large screen
b) still surprisingly pocketable (like TG01)
c) faster than any other device.
d) Battery DOES last longer than iphone (I got 5hours of iphone 3gS use on vodafone greece network with mild usage).
e) high-res screen.
f) will support WM7.
g) has more ROM space than many other devices.
h) You do not have to jailbreak the device and worry about apple updates bricking your device. HSPL lets you put in new cooked ROMs, you cannot even do that on an iphone.
i) Less jokey than the iphone. I dont see it as a serious device.
j) If you can cope with the technical stuff and the sheer volume of tweaks a WM6.5 device can be anything you want it to be!!!
k) it is not out of the question in the future to put android on the HD2 either.
l) Tons of useful software, not just gimmick stuff!!!
m) microsdhc can be up to 32GB now, just released in Times Square in Hong Kong. branded 16GB dirt cheap (class 6).
Cons:
a) SMS issue is worrying for a prospective user especially as the problems seem widespread on Vodafone UK.
b) Yes, pink camera issue, but i couldnt care less about it.
c) HSPL for official ROM upgrades around vodafone is almost like jailbreaking.
d) the tweaks and stuff is quite technical - and there is just so much of it!!! but of course this is also a pro!!
e) Battery quality seems variable. Some good units out there, some bad.
f) So much to tinker, so much to break!!!!
In short, the HD2 has no competitor due to the processor and the screen size and its resolution. Sure it's not 16M, but that can come with an upgrade.
It has the grunt for the future with the CPU, you have chainfire to compete with cortex+gpu, and enough ROM and RAM and you can tweak it to your heart's content!!!
I say the HD2 is a WINNER - I CAN fix most of the issues or ignore them, or avoid them just like i do with my E65 every day. What I can't get on another device is the screen. I do pray that I dont get teh SMS issue though.
I just have to make sure HD2 fits in my tight pockets!!! (31" waist).
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I just saw your comment about praying not to get the SMS issue. Apparently, keeping your message box counts low will help prevent it - but I cannot guarantee it. if it DOES strike, there are solutions in numerous threads - the one I suggest most as it worked for me is disabling HTCs messaging app and using WinMo's own.
Yep, of course not all solutions work because I personally believe that Vodafone SMS is *shiste* service.
Interesting thing is that there are two SMS issues - slow browsing and display - which you can avoid by bringing up menu and closing it.
And messages staying in the outbox is something Ive had with my E65...I merely have to tell the phone to resend them and it goes.
Just to recap solutions I've seen, but not all work for SMS sending:
a) disable htc messaging
b) change to classic view, not conversation
c) set messages to GSM only not GPRS
d) disable 3G/2G switching and stay on GSM.
e) reboot phone and take out battery.
f) get a new vodafone Sim card.
g) get the phone to re-register itself on a new tower.
h) install HTC hotfix and/or later ROMs.
For SMS delayed view:
a) switch to classic view,
b) disable htc messaging
c) get menu up on random message and cancel menu.
d) purge your SMS box.
I must note that My E65 does this automatically - it only keeps a low number of messages in memory and automatically purges old ones. It also soft-resets itself automatically every 24hours. So S60 is not so special either - all mobiles have these issues. at least my E65 SMS not sending is sporadic.
MY HD2
I got my HD2 three weeks ago & loved it when it first booted up. I have had no serious problems with it since except when I tried to update the ROM, it keeps coming up: "not suitable for this pocket pc".
Either I have done something wrong or the phone will not update I do not know. So, it ain't broke, so don't fix it is the way to go!
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I got my HD2 three weeks ago & loved it when it first booted up. I have had no serious problems with it since except when I tried to update the ROM, it keeps coming up: "not suitable for this pocket pc".
Either I have done something wrong or the phone will not update I do not know. So, it ain't broke, so don't fix it is the way to go!
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You're either:
- Running the ROM update on the device - you can't, you need to run it from a PC with the phone plugged in and in bootloader mode.
- Running the ROM update on a PC but the phone isn't in bootloader mode.
- Running the ROM update on a PC but the update isn't for your serial number. (Try looking at all the ROM updates on the HTC website for your area, i.e. htc.com/uk)
- Running the ROM update for a custom ROM without running HSPL first. (Check the HD2 ROM forum - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534)
I kept up a list of issues on the Esato.com forums that really pissed me off with the original X2 with the factory defaults. Now i have installed the new MR1 update, and things got even WORSE!
I have now created a Facebook-group for us unhappy Experia X2 users. Please join it here if you feel so: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=110270035673269
I can't find enough of swear-words and curses how much this pisses me off, so I start to keep a new list on this forum.
The phone boots slowly. The update did not decrease boot-time. Still it's like watching paint dry! This sucks especially when i have to reboot the phone almost every hour..!
Crashes, crashes, crashes. As soon as the screen get's turned off (powersave etc), the chances of the X2 to die complete is more or less 100%. It has now crashed within the last 2 hours 5 times. Calling the phone, it rings 2 seconds, then it dies totally! Do I have to tell more? This SUCKS!
PIN-code. First thing after startup, i enter the secuity-pin. After this, i get a status-screen with info about email, wlan-status etc. Where the f*ck is the PIN-code screen?? I have to klick on Phone-button to get the PIN-screen in front of me! Being busy with work, you can't sit and wait for this screen to appear. Very often i realize 15minutes later that i still have not entered my PIN-code!
SIM-Contacts. I have contacts backed up on my simcard. I have used a tool to hide these, but still some alls/screens display these contacts. It's a STUPID limitation of Windows Mobile that I hate! Please fix this stupidity
Poking around the phone, reading forums and tips, i installed the spb 3.5.2 package with the panel-launcer. removed other spb-appd etc. At some point i removed almost all spb-apps, and i noticed that the speed of the phone seemed to be extremely fast. It looks to me that the SPB-apps somehow waste the phone's memory and resources even if they are not in use. I think that one of the big resource-eater is all the SPB-packages. They are nice eyecandy, but they are definitively not optimized for the Xperia X2. I think that SonyEricsson has to force SPB Software to optimize their bloated code!!
searching and dialing contacts is just a PITA! (Pain In The Ass). Cumsy user-interface, and not all functioning. The lag after picking the contacts number makes me often belive that i have not succeeded in hitting the number to call.. This results that when the phone finally figures out that i punched a number to call, in the next screen it get's hanged up, cause it registers a click on the red hangup-bar..!
I will update some more issues when i get some more time!
Cu!
René
Try to get this picked up by Engadget. Send the editors a tip or something.
Just take X2 for decoration only because it is beautiful. Get a glass box and put X2 in it. X2 is not for telecomunication use.
Check item before pay. Check specification before use.
Well, your advice are definitively meant for people concidering buying the phone now. I already bought it when it was released in sweden, and there where no updated reviews available at that time
The hardware and specs should be enough, but i did not think that Sony Ericsson could mess up the xperia x2 this bad!
Next week i'm going to bring the phone to the sony ericsson service, and if they can't fix the phones stability then I'm concidering bringing the phone back to the shop where i bought it from, and demanding my money back! Seriously!
An expensive businessphone that does not work as expected, is not worth ****!
cant say i noticed it booting any slower after the mr1 update. or any extra crashes.. try removing anything you definately dont need. panels and software.
the main annoyance i now notice is the keyboard lag in the sms application. was fine before!
Try change MicroSD to a new, or from other device
I changed memory card from Xperia X1, restart device, and all problems gone I'm also with MR1...
My phone is with all original apps, and nothing is added or removed. Crashing and hanging constantly. I'm now having my business-number ringing in the great k800i. Now i can be sure that i wont miss any calls...
I did not manage to bring my phone to the SE-service centre on friday, and upcoming week i wont have the possibility to do it either, so i have to wait one week before i can drop the phone for checkup..
Ok.
Right now I'm extensively testing X2 when using ONLY
standard WM Homescreen.
No TileWave Panel in usage.
SPB and City & Growing Panels removed..
So far so good.
Will report back....
New solution??
I have now tested to turn off the advanced battery option where the phone switches off the screen after eg. 2 minutes, and put it to go into standby in 40 seconds. This has not crashed the phone at all during the last 2 hours!
I'll tell some more if the phone is still alive tomorrow morning!
i got random freeze and slowness on my x1, my old asus p525 and a lot of WM pda,
AND 99% was the problem a corrupted sd card (so i change or formated the card) and all my problems were gone.
hope that will help
sx1-doc said:
i got random freeze and slowness on my x1, my old asus p525 and a lot of WM pda,
AND 99% was the problem a corrupted sd card (so i change or formated the card) and all my problems were gone.
hope that will help
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Well OK, these things happen too.
However there's a specific pattern when these freezes appear.
So it doesn't look like that really.
The amount of users experiencing IDENTICAL issues
is significant. I mean I didn't find a person
who using extensively X2 would not find all of the descibed problems.
So sorry, I don't think we all have memory card problems collectively
Here's my theory, for what it's worth:
- Because SE had the X1 made by HTC, they were assisted 95% by HTC in creating WM software that worked
- For some crazy reason, they switched to a manufacturer that, to my knowledge, does not make WM phones. Now we have SE, a company that knows very little about WM, + Foxconn, a company that knows very little about WM. Not a good combo.
- Now SE is on it's own to make the software work. That is, there are 3 college grad Sony software engineers sitting in cubicles trying to translate a copy of "Visual Studio for Dummies" into Japanese. Good luck.
If SE had stuck with HTC, the X2 could have basically been the HD2 slide, and it would have been the best smartphone on the market. It's easy to second-guess, but their leadership does not look good.
yes but if HTC had made the X2 then it would of fallen apart by now lol. im glad sony ditched them. anyway, sony wrote the software for the X1 not HTC.. so it wouldnt of made much difference if they had used HTC again. even with its bugs, the X2 is still far more stable than the X1 in most aspects, especially the phone side of things.
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yes but if HTC had made the X2 then it would of fallen apart by now lol. im glad sony ditched them. anyway, sony wrote the software for the X1 not HTC.. so it wouldnt of made much difference if they had used HTC again. even with its bugs, the X2 is still far more stable than the X1 in most aspects, especially the phone side of things.
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Excuse me but what are you talking about?
X2 is the only device I had which can freeze 10 times in 10 minutes.
X1 freezed maybe 10 times in total through 17 months.
And always BECAUSE of something.
I agree - it's better HTC did not manufacture this,
however on the software side: it would WORK!
I hope you guys receive your Custom roms soon. Maybe chefs will iron all the bad stuff from SE.
X2 seems to be a nice looking brick right now. I'll buy it after custom ROMs appear.
But guys, look at the good part, it doesn't have SOD issue .
No no no.
Custom ROMs may be my choice or not, it's our personal thing.
************* SE has to do it right when I pay for
the ************* product.
I bet the problem with X2 is that S-E decided to make too many phones with different systems.
"Let's make Windows Mobile smartphones! And Symbian phones! And Android phones! And continue to make dumbphones*! Well... we also have to watch our costs, so let's not hire additional engineers and testers, let our great marketing make for out lousy software development!"
*Which work the most flawlessly.
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I bet the problem with X2 is that S-E decided to make too many phones with different systems.
"Let's make Windows Mobile smartphones! And Symbian phones! And Android phones! And continue to make dumbphones*! Well... we also have to watch our costs, so let's not hire additional engineers and testers, let our great marketing make for out lousy software development!"
*Which work the most flawlessly.
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Yup, exactly right. Specialization is the key to quality nowadays.
I know this is not relevant to the post, but does anyone has facebook panel working on the X2 after MR1? also does anyone have a copy of the CNN Panel they could send me?
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I know this is not relevant to the post, but does anyone has facebook panel working on the X2 after MR1? also does anyone have a copy of the CNN Panel they could send me?
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Nope. I don't have the CNN....
And I think - as was posted on SE Blogs - WM 6.5.2
has some changes inside which probably disable those Panels.
It's also ridiculous each time we get LESS Panels,
not more!
I remember the panels competition some time ago
but never saw the awarded ones available!