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Think Twice Before buying XDA Exec.

I have used many blackberry devices and PDA's for my work before and could not wait to get my hands on an EXEC.
It looks supurb it rearly does, It will make your m8's jaws drop.
Thebox it comes in makes you think WOW! I have some nice kit here.
Beyond the box though, You have to start it up, Here you will start to wonder!
It will take about 2 Mins to boot from Cold (1 1/2 mins longer than a 486 PC booting into Windows 98 )
Does not matter what mode you go in, Basic, Advanced or Corporate.
You click on Start And after a small delay you may get the menu.
As you start to navigate through Windows Mobile 5 you will instantly notice the sluggish response and this is all before you even install anything on it.
I read all the pre release reviews about this device and am surprised that no one commented on this speed issue!
You learn to notice that the PDA side is too slow to use compaired to other PDA devices.
TOM TOM users will expeirence massive difficulty and incompatibility issues.
The Exec and other Universal devices was the first time that sees the Windows Mobile 5 Software and as such is so buggy you may as well be using a beta version. Software is very scare's compaired to other windows mobile and SE builds.
Reports are starting to come through about the hinge of the screen, though I did not experience this. Be Warned.
The phone functions I had no problems with, Conversations was clear and had not experienced any missed calls like users of the Jas Jar have reported.
The device is much heaver than you may expect and much more bulky due to it's clamshell form factor (fold up keyboard and swivel screen)
With all the above issue's I was personally Dissapointed and ended up selling on this forum after 2 Day's of having the device.
( http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31002 )
There may be Flash updates in the very near future though It Pi**es me off that companies release this crap before ironing out this massive issues. I mean did they rearlly thing we would not notice?
Stick to a Blackberry or PDA Stand alone.
ME.. I have just ordered myself a Nokia 8800 and will stick to my HP PDA.

I can see your point about some of the bugs with the device, but every xda has had these and they have been pretty much sorted out with time. Personally I love my exec, it is everything I hoped it would be, and yes, there are annoying glitches (I don't like the O2 ROM) but overall it is working very well. Sorry you had such a bad experience with yours!
Fin

hmm
Love my mda pro,
works a charm in my eyes, and all new mobiles have these problems, after an update or a change of rom it will all be fine.
The problem here is that you buy a state of the art phone/pda, of course it has bugs.. buy a new model car and it will have child faults too. these are minor and will be solved in updates.
I have been using my mda pro for a week now and must say it is the coolest phone/pda ever. the screen is to die for!! I don't even look at my mda 3 screen anymore lol. makes me cry haha
There is no other phone/mda right now which has such great working wifi and a vga screen.
This is a phone/pda for someone who loves to have a mini tablet pc with phone function.
How can you compare this with a blackberry? LMAO got stocks in that company? LOL Do blackberry's have vga screens? hahaha the Universal is a PC and that is what we love!!
Anyway.. the universal is here to stay and is the market leader.. and it certainly helps in keeping development going forward!!
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I have a JJ and the call quality has been good (and video calling works okay). There are problems with WM5 (but M$ has never been in the business to produce quality software!). But for me, as a Nokia 9500 user, is the lack of proper phone functions in WM5 that is surprising.
The performance will improve if you turn off the error reporting. But I am still surprised how slow the device is compared to my Treo 650, which only has a 312Mhz processor and has persistent memory.
Like all these devices reviews etc are available so perhaps people should do a bit more research before they buy one?

ehhh
that is like comparing Apples to Oranges.
Just don't buy a MS device if you don't like them! I also have a spv c550, great phone but loads of probs with that new 230pix screen and tomtom5 haha, but still i love it.
nokia, SE p910i and treo are symbian phones and have their own limitations and mishaps. :twisted: had them all and never liked their restricted GUI.
Nagging we all can, i just love it that we have windows based phones and pda's and will certainly keep buying them. And so will a large group of followers hehe
http://my-symbian.com/forum/ should be the place for you ahhaha

I agree, i had all the nokia 9000 series phones and loved them but I use the excel and the symbian software slaughters excel and the Nokia 9500 could not even handle the transfer of excel files to computer when I bought one and the place I bought it from "Techoni Mobile Phones Australia" said wait for an update from Nokia when I rang and said I wanted my money back as I said to them that they sold me a product that doesn't do as advertised. I will never buy off that company again. The JJ / Exec is an incredible phone/PDA.

Er..I was trying to say the JJ is okay for me...even though it is not complete. I use all types of devices I have no preference I just want something that helps me do things better. I agree about the Nokia word/excel issues, Nokia were silly about this.
Edit: @dvl, the Treo is not Symbian and next there will be a WM5 version of the Treo released. M$ are really pleased with the Treo WM5 as they recognise the hardware is designed well and M$ have had help from Palm to improve the UI.

are all tomtom related issues not a matter of tomtom's software not being 2005 friendly or buggy ?

hehe
You are right, treo is palm, hehe but kinda similar to symbian..
but you made a true statement.. I LOVE THE TREO600/650's feel, touch and looks. And now that they come with WM5 in it i will certainly by that phone.. No doubt about it. And it will be a market leader when it comes out.
ALthough it will not be a Universal.. hehe
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hi
i tend to disagree ...ive had my universal for almost 2 months now.. and have no problems with it... connecivity wise or hinge wise
the only thing disappointing me till now (its not related to universal) is that while some devs have updated their softwares most have not yet done so or havent released a fully stable version for wm5

I'm using JJ for the last one month and I have no problem with it at all.
At the beginning I used to experience some troubles with the low speed of the device but after a while, I made some changes to the settings of the JJ and everyting is working fine now.
I think that JJ is having everyting I need and much more.
Still there are some issues to be resolved like the Video full screen play back and other issues, but in General it is the best PDA I have ever used.
Regards,

I'm never getting a WinsMo or Xperia ever..

Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!

There's alot more to WM than meets the eye you know. The Xperia is hyped with the Panels in mind but it's certainly not the only feature there's alot more that can be done.
I, myself have removed the panels completely, I don't like them and never used them. I currently use the Panels button to open my comm manager so I can change what's on and what's not.
Have you installed any other software for you phone at all? Just a few interfaces to mention for instance:
TouchFlo
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Mobile Shell
Im sure there's more. The bottom two offer a heck of alot of customization for the "look" of your phone. Skins/Icons. You could have it looking like an iPhone if you wanted, or there abouts.
On top of that there's more programs that you can install than you can shake a stick at. It's much like a PC, the amount of things you can do with it is amazing.
I'll agree there are problems with the device, but the problem with the majority is they always look on the negatives and not the positives. Sometimes the phone is a bit hard to use and after showing a few friends of mine the phone, they have really liked it but I have had to put them off the phone because they without being rude don't have the knowledge to use the phone and be happy with it to it's fullest.
Windows Mobile really is what you make it, some like it, some hate it. It's not the greatest of operating systems for phones and it's probably one of the most hardest to use and learn, but the options you have are well worth the effort.

colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?

Nippero said:
Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?
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what's so wrong of posting it here? i think he has the rights to express his feelings.
mate, i hated windows mobile before! yes i did, even though i'm a microsoft "fan" but when i used my X1, i started customizing it in a way that really fits my needs, and now i'm using my phone as a computer which is always in my pocket!
you can find alot of cool stuff in the forum, customize your phone and play arround with it, change all default values (be careful not to change something that will make you hard reset, and always backup). Customize the phone, windows is the most flexible and customizable OS ever (sorry Linux fans).
let me know if you need any help

The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
That means the support level for our HTC-made Xperia X1's is going down the tubes. HTC is the one most likely responsible for firmware upgrades to their hardware, so now that SE and HTC no longer co-operate/partner I highly doubt HTC will be making any firmware updates for our phone.
Consider this... the HTC Touch HD has been released after the X1, yet has already receive one or two firmware updates by HTC to fix various issues. The X1 has received ZERO updates.
SE has basically decided to give up on the Xperia X1 from what we can see, since they moved to a new manufacturer.
Of course, this doesn't mean the great developers at XDA will not be coming out with home brew firmwares and fixes, but it does mean that official support from SE is probably going to be winding down and dying...
why else would a simple fix to the bluetooth problem (which MANY people here have found) is not being pushed out? Because SE doesn't want to pay HTC to release the firmware fix since they no longer co-operate.
Oh well. I hope to be proven wrong, but the fact HTC is pushing out firmware updates for all their devices but NOT the Xperia X1 (despite being released longer) confirms this.

colourblind said:
Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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U said it "seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!".
R U using it so you knew it is much more better ?

go buy a nokia s40 phone and then use your x1 again. let me know what you like more and would rather use.

I allways look at this that my new X1 is as a toy for Big boy.
Its all abaut somthing changing experimenting tweaking.
I like this .
or just buy nokia 6110 make call, recive call and sleep well in the nights.

I was always under the impression that this was a dsicussion forum for the understanding and development of a set of phones.
Unfortunately lately it's become an area for people with no understanding to moan.

johnchan78 said:
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
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Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?

johnchan78 said:
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
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What a load of crap.
All we know is that HTC won't be building the X2 (or whatever they end up calling it) together. We don't even know what OS is going to run on it.
However it's SE responsibilty for the software, they are working on a new firmware, whether those on branded phone will see it depends on their networks (unless you do a DIY job).
And if SE do need help from HTC with some hardware issues, HTC will need to provided it, they will be under contract and most likely will want to build future models (X3).

HTC is not going to produce "next" Sony Ericsson phone.
HTC still produces XPERIA for Sony Ericcson.

kuraudo said:
Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?
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no-one said that,
SE aren't using HTC to develop future phone, it looks like they're using asus instead.. although it could also be that the x2 is android based :0

so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?

hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .

colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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dude, my xperia only turns off if i have to restart due to some registry tweak, since the R3A update, i never experienced a hang
you could have posted me your previous xperia, only if i had the money to burn i would buy another
x1, there is none that can come close

johnchan78 said:
...The X1 has received ZERO updates.
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What's so funny is that you make this statement on the XDA website. What world are you in???

colourblind said:
so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?
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Yes and I find it pathetic. Good thing people are working on a WinMo port for it.
colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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Lies.....

I have seen what the new Palm Pre can do...it's a good interface but basically that's all it has good interface.
And yes I am impressed but I told myself, I will never buy a Palm because it looks like it has shifted from pda function to a P.O.S. kid's toy ... a competitor to the iphone.
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
Also...I really really want the Omnia HD...it's multimedia and out of the box experience is great, but AGAIN, symbian add-on software isn't as good. So if I were to buy a Samsung Omnia HD, I would buy it as a PMP, and I would buy a Toshiba TG01 as a Pocket PC.
But for now, Xperia has some qualities of Omnia HD and some qualities of other good and fast windows mobile phones like Toshiba TG01. Obviously Omnia HD doesn't have windows mobile, which I prefer over symbian (I've used symbian S60 first before switch to Windows Mobile), and it's also obvious that Toshiba TG01 doesn't have headphone jack and keyboard like the Xperia. So Xperia is the sort of the best of both worlds for now.
If I had cash I'd buy Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD seperate...but if only XDA developed for the Toshiva TG01....
If there was a super godlike overkill hybrid phone that was both the Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD...I would buy that hybrid instead...

poetryrocksalot said:
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
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I think we should sticky that comment to the front page. IN BIG LETTERS.

Sony Ericsson f---ed us over. Support HTC instead!

Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?

I think the RAM "issue" has been addressed many times so far, the additional RAM that is not visible to the end-user is allocated for the graphics, the same implementation is done on the Touch HD.
Although i wasn't that impressed with the implementation of the panels, and indeed i was expecting more of active panels instead of images to click on and change desktop, i can also see some benefits of it. And the SDK clearly states that the panels can be active, i guess we would have to wait and see if they implement that feature going forward.
As for the registry tweaks, had it been an actual HTC device you would have to perform exactly the same tweaks and probably install SPB mobile shell on top of it because TF3D is also just a gimmick and one gets bored with it quite quickly.
It is in the nature of Windows Mobile that all of the devices with this OS actually do need a high level of customization by the user. Out of the box it gives you the basics and then it is up to the user to install programs or tweak the system to get more out of it...but that is also the good thing about it!

xperian said:
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
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So, in your belief, FERRARIS wouldn't need a warranty because they never have to be repaired or serviced ??
And why did you pay $1000 for a phone you can get for around $600-$700 ?? (clove.co.uk, smart-mobile-gadgets.com, ebay, etc, etc)
Any why did you find panels so disgusting ??
Have you seen the tools SONY posted for free-panels development ??
I think I will start learning how to "cook panels" instead of ROMs 'cos I am in love

I absolutely agree with the OP. This will be the last Sony Ercisson phone I will buy. I bought this thing the first week it came out. I felt like I got a prototype model. Crack in the stylus housing, directional button coating peeling off. Sony have not acknowleged the problems. Also the the signal is garabage, now maybe it's HTC hardware and HTC built phone but Sony need to step up and give us some support. Also Sony suck at firmware update and fixing issue. Don't even get me started on their panels crap, I love the idea, they market the panels but they don't have any development going on. Sure they release the SDK for it but for most everyday users, we just want to go on to the website and download it, not all of us are dev. Sorry for me venting but I've had enough of Sony crap. Thank god for xda-dev, if not for these wonderful members we have here, I would probably throw this thing against the wall the first month I got it.

@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))

xperian said:
@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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Hmm, just a remark - xda work is for HTC and X1 too, in fact HTC does not offer anything substantially more than X1 in any way.
As for Ferrari, actually these cars have amazing amount of issues besides their amazing engines, including buttons and controls falling apart in their control desk/interior...
I understand you somehow, however I use panels and consider them ultimately best for me, better than any UI solutions....

I disagree with most of your points but a couple. I was at the Crackberry forums and have seen the Blackberry storm receive or have leaked about 5 or so official firmware updates adding new features and fixing bugs and enhancing peeformance. We have gotten exactly zero in a longer duration of time. Now the X1 didn't have all the problems the Blackberry Storm had, but its not perfect either. I don't expect any firmware updates...SE software support isnt as good as RIMs. Luckily there is so much you can do with Windows Mobile out of the box.

Yes, we have lack of upgrades so far and that's no good.

Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all

gtrab said:
Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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of course there's custom roms, some working really well but not anyone whitout issues...
I think that at least SE shoudl release an update (for normal people who don't want to mess with custom roms and breaking it's warranty) to at least fix the bluetooth issue... do you think it's normal that I can't use my X1 with my bt car handsfree made by SE?
and yes, the vaio seem like a comedy... my mom got one last year and since then no updates, no bios... no drivers... we'll never get a VAIO again... we'll go for a dell like the one I have, lot's of updates, new drivers, always improving things and enhancing features.
**** SE... why the can't be like SCEE that release lot's of PS3 upgrades?.

xperian said:
Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
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Don't agree. Had one now for 2 months and not much wrong with it. In my humble opinion the phone goes well. You must have got a dud.

For me, X1 is the best WM Phone to date, no problem at all.
I really... and completely dont care about official update. I'll use only customized ROM anyway, cus it can go beyond any official ROM can do.
Only thing I care is how will they repair my phone when it fu.ked up.

I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.

fhsieh said:
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
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Alright, you have a point there. Three things:
- SE support was fine, I got it back repaired after 3 weeks (christmas time, so 3 weeks is okay)
- I'm not telling to boycott SE. I am merely wondering why almost everything usable comes from these forums or HTC rips. I think it would be more fair to actually buy a HTC device when using all the TouchFlo stuff and things.
- The hardware itself is about the same with HTC/SE, but I think it's the software that makes it or breaks it... I hope SE will put more effort into it with the X2.

As HTC produce X1, I think HTC also responsible for firmware development on X1 too.
It is not so difficult to understand why support on HTC branded products is better than on X1, X1 is not their brand and X1 is their competitor.
It is not good for HTC to make X1 equal or better than their own products.

Meh, I have owned over 5 Sony Ericsson cell phones so far and have had no problems with them that is until I got the Xperia! Why is the most expensive Sony Ericsson phone I have owned the worst I have ever had? This phone is not worth the $1,300CAD+ that $147 import fee I paid for it. I have waited a while trying different roms and programs before saying anything bad about it because I had hope Sony would get their act together but now...
Like its embarrassing when one of my friends are testing my Xperia out and it freezes up on them when i tell them how much I paid for it lol... I’m wondering how many times have you guys had to hard reset your Xperia’s? My Xperia works great! When I’m not using it...

Xperia Software Updated... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482

sad to hear but then again tweak and stuff is the thigs that will hold this phone up.. find workarounds and so forth.. developers might find alternative ways for the stuff people misses on the phone.. have some faith

HTC and HD2: Story over. Period.

Guys,
I just sent my HD2 (1.48 GER unbranded) back to Amazon for full credit.
By today I had nine cases open at HTC support:
Blutotth SAP: phone does not find mast after disconnecting from car
SMS: app crashes, SMS remain in outbox forever
Music: volume rocker erratic behavior (changes to track skip)
Bluetooth: headset looses connection after certain time
Weather App: sometimes not updating location based weather
Email: HD2 sometimes looses all mail server address entries. All emails in inbox get lost simultaneously
Facebook app: certain information not being displayed
Telephone: volume adjustment with BT headset next to impossible (turned fully up all the time)
SMS app: mobile and fixed line No's are displayed with the same icon, so you never know whether its a mobile or fixed line phone you send your message to (if it gets send.........)
Plus:
Wired headset with Music Controls: renders next to useless without volume control buttons.
The majority of all the bugs always existed at the same time, so one app crashing influenced the others (volume rocker, SMS, weather, bluetooth), Needless to say that not one of the bugs was cured by the latest ROM update. I sometimes wonder whether HTC is doing any SQA at all.
I am a businessman who travels world wide. I need a reliable phone, it is mission critical. The HD2 is a million miles away from being that.
I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
I had enough. Period.
Sorry, but it had to shot this out loudly.
GZ

So, what are you moving to?

You forgot to mention the most annoying thing on earth with HD2, THE NOISY VOICE CALLS !!

Fair play mate!

I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
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And you think that gets better with another company? Definitely not.
RIM's CEO had to apologize foll all the bugs of the Storm.
Nokia's N97 has recieved bad reviews for all its software issues.
Sony Ericsson's Satio had to be pulled from the market because of huge issues.
Apple's iPhone has litte bugs but also little features
...and so on...
The only way to have less issues is to also have less features.
I guess you don't want that, as you are asking for advanced features like the Bluetooth stuff or location based weather, which are features that other phones don't even have in the first place.
You can't ask for a phone that has every feature and at the same time not accept any bugs. There is no phone like that, unfortunately.
(Sure I wish there was, but there isn't)
So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.

If you are not satisfied, try another brand like toshiba or acer.
And if you are a "HTC beta tester", you should know it better.

Ah, the Toshiba TG01... another great example for my list.

HD2 is a multimedia device and not a proffesional phone. You won't have any of therse problems in HTC Touch Pro 2 that is designed specifically to be a proffesional phone more reliable and less flashy: keyboard, bigger battery, less bugs etc. It has smaller screen, heavier, less megapixels etc but it is a business model, HD2 is not. I need to point also that iphone is not also a bussiness phone (you can not change battery etc) and Apple accpet that. Simply choose a bussness phone if you need it for bussines, not a expensive gadget as it is in this moment HD2.

I find it extremely strange that some users are reporting the phone running stock roms as buggy to the point of being unusable, whereas for others (myself included) it's been utterly bug free. You can understand a wide variety of different bugs surfacing when you deploy desktop applications, because hardware and software combinations are almost limitless, but here that's not the case. Identical software running on an identical software/hardware platform should produce identical results.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.

I was fine until i read the part that you're a "beta tester." (notice the use of quotations?)
I laughed and proceeded to ignored your post entirely.

i experienced some of those problems, but already found fixes for most and for others their in development, like maati says, theres no 100% bug-free phone nowadays, heck, even the 3310 was bugged in some areas, and that was before all the 'hsdpa' 'gps' 'bluetooth' 'multitouch' '1ghz' stuff came along

maati said:
...So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.
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"Having to tweak a bit" ??? Dude, it´s one thing to "tweak a bit" and another to get this phone to do what it is supposed to!
Paying 600 Euro for a device plus doing the work that HTC´s developer are not able to do, for me it´s just not acceptable.
If everybody feels alright with that, HTC will keep on capitalizing customer until they encounter resistance.
On my job I have to do my work to get my earnings. Thats what I expect from others.

This is not HTC specific.
There is just no perfect phone. No matter how much you pay, you won't get anything that's perfect.
I gave you some examples of other phones that have/had huge issues as well, despite being very expensive.
Sure, the HD2 has some issues. But you must not forget that other phones are not better. Not one bit.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.
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True, entirely.
Unfortunately, some people don't get that. If all people realized that truth, threads like this would not exist.
We have to accept the fact that there is no perfect phone and just buy the device that requires the least compromises. This is a personal thing. I, for example, will probably never buy an iPhone again, becasue that thing annoyed me with all its flaws. Sure, it was pretty much bug free, but the lack of critical features was inacceptable.
Did I go to an iPhone forum and shout against Apple and tell everybody that I sold my iPhone? No. Because I am smart enough to realize that there is no perfect phone and I must just buy whatever works best for me. Going to an iPhone forum in order to tell everyone how much I hated the device would not have helped anyone, and creating such threads is not good behaviour anyways.

During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had. The less "tweaking", the less issues, I think. I did not have any big issues, but some small flaws. With the ROM update, quite some improvement. I think 2 or 3 ROM versions later, the device will be better than any comparable device on the market.
If a mobile phone is crucial for a business person, I think the phone should not do much more than calls and texts - to be on the safe side. As of today, maybe a Blackberry or a Palm product might meet the business needs best.

Bluecharge said:
If everybody feels alright with that, HTC will keep on capitalizing customer until they encounter resistance.
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Damn, but that line is getting old.
No bugs here, and I got one of the first batch.
But don't let me interrupt the villification of the Great Satan HTC.
Being upset about your handset not working properly? Understandable.
Marking HTC as the worst thing since the antichrist? Yeah, it's been done. To death, revived and back to death again.
They updated the ROM and brought out a fix for the camera. Horrible!

Damn, but that line is getting old.
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It's getting old but it's still as stupid as it was in the beginning. HTC is not evil, they're just a phone maker like all the others, and naturally, their phones have flaws, like all the others.
In fact, compared to others, if you look at the "features*advantages/flaws" ratio, HTC would probably come out on top.
During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had.
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That's what I'm saying: No phone is perfect. They all have their flaws and everyone should choose what works best for him.
HTC is not worse than anyone else in the industry. In fact, with the HD2, they may even be the best, currently.

ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again. Least of all if you don't own the phone or just on here to complain,there isn't a lot anyone on the forum can do to help you with if you don't own one. I understand the frustration though but it should be directed to HTC.
In any case if you are looking for a good business phone from HTC I suggest the HTC Rhodium. Another one of my favorites and with a physical keyboard.

ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again.
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Exactly. That thread doesn't help anyone, and it's redundant.

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Then why do you fill it with so many postings?
Also, you did not get the point.
Its one thing to make a decision against a device, that simply does not provide the desired features, as you did with the iphone. Why did you not read its specs??? You just should have known before buying.
And, its another thing to buy a device with many features promised, but then finding many annoying bugs. Thats what I wrote about, ok?

I totally appreciate what the OP is saying about feeling like a "beta tester".
HTC are guilty of putting out stuff with some glaringly obvious bugs but dare I say, so does every other manufacturer out there.
The OP is simply expressing his dismay that once again he as a paying customer is receiving a product that needs further testing and development by the manufactuer!!
Still, it probably wont stop me from buying an HD2 soon...

X2: First Impressions

I never intended to be a retail beta tester for SE, but I had to go an lose my X1 a couple of weeks ago while on holiday in Malaysia. Going shopping in Singapore, I was tossing up between the Touch HD2 or the Nokia N900 if I could find it, but lo and behold there was the X2 and in stock everywhere. And so:
The Good
*The screen seems crisper than the X1, but the glossier coating may have something to do with that. Still not much chop in sunlight, though.
*Much quicker to respond changing to landscape, including when switching to keyboard.
*I prefer the look of the new design - much less boxy.
*Panels screen much quicker and slicker.
*Camera better in pretty much every way.
*Nice haptics.
The Bad
*It'd be nice if they didn't release it with a pre-alpha ROM. I'm getting de javu to the X1's R1A with sluggish response, GUI glitches, disappearing SD card and freezing up several times a day.
*The touch screen is ridiculously insensitive to finger use. You need to use the stylus or your fingernail for any sort of accuracy. I haven't yet tried to use the sensitivity hack from the X1.
*I used the hardware cursor keys on the X1 as I found the optical joystick too inaccurate. Too bad they've gone now.
*And been stuck on the keyboard replacing keys I used a heap of like the question mark, apostrophe and particularly the OK button.
*Both Media Player and the one in SlideView (which is presumably essentially a skin for WMP) are broken. They have trouble sticking to my MP3s on the SD card and keep going back to the demo files on the main storage. They also have a fun habit of not playing the next track once one has finished.
*Speaking of main storage, it only comes with about 50Mb free. Way to load us up with bloatware, Sony.
Once you get past the nice shiny looking new panels and down to the Today screen, this is just WM 6.1 with a new start menu. Hopefully, the majority of my gripes, and those of others, will be fixed in (near) future ROM releases.
Until then, I want my X1 back!

i found my X2 the other way around. very responsive to finger presses but very unresponsive to the stylus! i prefer to use the stylus and i have to hold it on the screen for much longer than id like to get it to do anything.
i never use the built in media players on phones as ive yet to see one that has features of a decent standalone program. but from what i can see the X2 media player seems adequate but basic. i installed my Pocketplayer 4 that i had on my x1. one of the best you can get.
my main storage had over 100mb free when i got it... ive installed a few programs on it since i got then and i still have 60mb free, maybe check your installed programs and ditch anything you dont need. you must have stuff on yours thats not from sony.
few gripes i have
why switch to microusb??? so annoying. all my accessories are useless. now ive got to buy new carchargers, spare usb cable etc... oh wait thats probably why! lol
the notification leds dont seem to stay on after recieving a message like the X1 does. not sure if its a bug or an option ive not selected properly.
veeeeery slow at installing cabs. took me 15mins to install pocketplayer. that cant be right.
i would of liked the cursor keys around the optical joystick as before, i used to use them more aswell. but im sure i can adapt.
i agree with the good points, side by side the X2 is much more stylish than the x1. the videos and pictures online really dont do it justice. i like the style of my x1 but you can see sonys influence in the x2 and personally i think its one of the best looking phones out at the moment. The dialer, contacts and messaging all look much better than the x1. i dont know if thats wm6.5 or sony though.
i find it strange that its sluggish and slow at some simple things, yet in other aspects its much much faster than the x1. overall its an improvement and at the moment im happy to stick with the x2. i would say that the X2 is much better as a phone. one thing i noticed when i upgraded from the p1i to the x1 was the x1 seemed to be a pocketpc with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. fingers crossed sony can smooth out the bugs in a (hopefully very soon) firmware release.

@anothadave
1. Micro USB is a must - an international agreement regarding unifying standards.
Micro USB was chosen as a standard for all devices, so actually SE has no decision here....
2. Contacts and messaging is standard 6.5 look however I assume there is also contact app/look in Panels, like on X1 in Media Panel....
Dialer and CommManager is SE.

yeh i assumed that most of the new look is down to the wm6.5 its certainly leagues ahead of the X1.
i did hear about the agreement to use the same connector. so fair enough.
the EUs reasoning behind it is that it will mean less chargers being manufactured because they can all use the same charger. not sure this completely makes sense since a high power phone like the X1 or X2 has a 1500mah battery so will require a much more powerful charger than a phone with only a 500mah battery! otherwise it will take hours to charge it up. i dont think theyve really thought that one out. lol. my x2 charger is 700ma, thats twice as powerful as my old nokia one.
its only cost me £1.60 for a spare micro usb lead and £2 for a new carcharger so thats not too bad, so maybe theres an advantage to a universal standard after all

anothadave: I have the same LED notification problems with SMS too, its as though the phone doesn't wake up when an SMS is recieved, it waits until you wake it up, or a call comes through. I think its a software fault, but whether it will ever get updated / fixed is anyones guess. I emailed SE in the UK to just be told "the Xperia X2 is not available or supported in the UK therefore we recommend you contact your supplier" very helpful i'm sure you'll agree

i don't have an x2, but i stumbled across this reg-setting over at the hd2-forum. since these are winmo-reg-keys, it might work for you guys too? worth a try.
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24. Enable LED Notification Setting in Sound and Notifications
If you want your LED to flash when you have a new message, missed call or voicemail.. well you can't as it is greyed out. However the following registry entries can be modified to enable them or use the cab at end of post. Reset after changes. Notifcation for Email sadly does not work
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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877 D65B-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}]
"AvailableOptions"=dword: change to 15
Missed Call:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877 D660-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}]
"AvailableOptions"=dword: change to 15
Voice Mail:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877 D661-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}]
"AvailableOptions"=dword: change to 15
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in sounds and notifications theres the options to turn on illuminations. i had turned it on and selected "no limit" i assumed this meant it would flash until i read the message. but it flashes one sequence and stops. ive now selected the maximum time of 60mins and now it will repeatedly flash until i read the message. (im assuming it will stop after 60mins though) so the bug is with the "no limit" selection. maybe somewhere in the registry its possible to increase the 60mins.

well, it was worth a try...
if you want to try something:
on my x1 the led-options are available and blink "unlimited". (missed call at 12pm, still blinking in the morning)
the values for the 3 strings above are set to: (from top to bottom)
7
4
7
more on topic:
if i understand you guys correctly, x2's firmware is actually snappier in most parts than the official x1? since it's more or less exactly the same hardware, it would have been possible to fix the x1 as well, they simply didn't want to?
(i can still remember the words "flagship", "premium model" and "extended support". the price tag i remember too. as well as the fact that they actually stopped software-support after ~5 months in march 2009...)

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in sounds and notifications theres the options to turn on illuminations. i had turned it on and selected "no limit" i assumed this meant it would flash until i read the message. but it flashes one sequence and stops. ive now selected the maximum time of 60mins and now it will repeatedly flash until i read the message. (im assuming it will stop after 60mins though) so the bug is with the "no limit" selection. maybe somewhere in the registry its possible to increase the 60mins.
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I just tried the same settings but no luck. mine still does the same. does anyone know the reg tweak? or how to get the phone to wake up on recieving a text?

the values of "availableoptions" on mine = 4294967295 lol. theyre the same for all three no matter what length of time i select.
yes i would say that for most things the X2 is snappier. theres a bit of lag in scrolling through messages though. and when i hold the stylus on the screen the little circle takes a long time to appear. but im sure somewhere that can be made faster.
the dialler and the panels are much much quicker. i had the spb 3 panel and it would sometimes take upto half a minute to load up when selected on the x1. now its only 5 seconds. the tilewave panel appears within 2 or 3 seconds. the growing panel was a bit longer at 8 to 10 seconds. massive improvement ove the ones i had on the x1.
ive had a few crashes though. where the screen just corrupts and ive got to reset it. still doesnt feel like the firmware is 100% finished. possibly why vodafone dropped the X2. if the guys at sony stick with it and iron out the remaining bugs then the x2 will be a very nice device.
im not sure they could of fixed the x1 without changing the OS, remember the x2 is on wm6.5. which is where most of the improvements seem to come from. if they officially upgraded the x1 to wm6.5 then i suspect it could of been much more reliable. i dont think sony can upgrade from wm6 to wm6.5 without paying microsoft again. theyre not going to spend money on new licenses and testing for whats now an obselete phone. sony did the same to the p- series. they would support each model for 6months maybe a year and then abandon it once the next one appeared. 5months support for the x1 seems about average. i remember a big online fuss when they stopped supporting the p990. that was another good but flawed phone. the p1i was definately the peak of the series. took them 5 goes to get there though!

Just for clarification, from what I read, I understand that everybody who is getting the X2 now is getting pre-official release phones (I mean, it does not seem that Sony itself has officially released the phone, and the phones being sold are the ones that were in stock for previous expected release dates), is this correct?
- If so, everyone agrees that hardware will be the same as the official release?
- Will one be able to upgrade with no problem to newer ROMs released by SE, including official release ROM?
- Will there be (for sure) an update to WM 6.5.3, which seems to be a huge improvement on initial 6.5?
Thanks for your answers.
BTW, doministry, was X2 released on the 18th in Poland? Did you play with it?

mbernstein said:
Just for clarification, from what I read, I understand that everybody who is getting the X2 now is getting pre-official release phones (I mean, it does not seem that Sony itself has officially released the phone, and the phones being sold are the ones that were in stock for previous expected release dates), is this correct?
- If so, everyone agrees that hardware will be the same as the official release?
- Will one be able to upgrade with no problem to newer ROMs released by SE, including official release ROM?
- Will there be (for sure) an update to WM 6.5.3, which seems to be a huge improvement on initial 6.5?
Thanks for your answers.
BTW, doministry, was X2 released on the 18th in Poland? Did you play with it?
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I believe that the hardware in the phones we have recieved are the same as what would be in the official release. Some countries official release has been and the phone is available, for others the official release will never come
ROM updates will work with all release handsets, prototypes may not be upgradable. However since SE have dropped the X2 in many countries it is highly unlikely there will ever be any updates, except for maybe the X2a which is delayed until Summer.
With regards to 6.5.3 I can't see it happening, I geniunely belive SE have given up on the X2, and anyone who has one (myself included) will never see any updates.

@anothadave:
thanks for the examples. that's exactly what i wanted to know. well, at least it looks like they got it right this time. ^^ (apart from the usual beta-bugs)
it's not connected to winmo 6.5, because 6.1 is still a bit faster as 6.5. it's connected to their adaptation of winmo to a specific device (drivers etc, call it the foundation). have you ever played with an htc touch pro 2? same hardware as the x1, but faster and smoother in every aspect, both run on 6.1.
so it's simply a question of "did they want to?" and the answer is "nope. if you want that, pay again." SE deserves a major backlash in sales figures for this strategy. (as does almost any company, i know, i don't live in the past. ^^) they even stopped their ongoing development for x1 in summer 09 (remember the half-official 6.5-xip?), just to protect the x2. which means the x1 actually got shelved in march 2009. (last update)
not a treatment for which i'll give them € 600+ again.
but this has been discussed many times in the forums, i don't want to start this all over again, just wanted confirmation since people are holding the x2 in hands now.

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errr? did i miss something?
are you saying the x2 won't get a worldwide release?

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I believe it's a bull****.
First - X2 is officially released, at least here in Poland and available.
They definitely don't sell any prototypes, what a crap...
Secondly - why X2 wouldn't get updates?
Every SE had them, like P1 and X1 so why not?
Regarding WM 6.5.3 - it depends on when it will be officially pushed to market!
Now there's no device with that version beeing released,
so we have to wait I believe.
And once it's done I believe all existing WM 6.5 devices will get it,
however I cannot be sure since this was never confirmed by Microsoft.

im in the uk and i bought my X2 off of ebay. not sure where it was imported from but its definately an official release. i didnt ask where it had come from but i assumed it was from the US or Asia as i thought sony had released the X2 there a couple weeks ago?
i downloaded the sony update program and the X2 is one of the first to appear on the list. even the official sony website lists the X2 quite prominantly.
anyone notice how fast the X2 eats through the battery? mine was 100% lastnite and down to 50% by the morning! i always make sure all background programs are closed too.

I never said it woulnd't or isn't being officially released, I simply said it has been dropped in some markets. The UK is a fine example of where the X2 will never see an official release, as of today its even been removed from the SE Store where its been on pre-order since last October.
My gut instinct just tells me that they will focus heavily on the X10 now, and that the X2 will be lucky to see any updates. I could be wrong, but we'll see...

yeh its unlikely it will ever officially appear in the uk now. sony usually make a "world generic" firmware for their phones. so im sure the X2 will be supported in that fashion. its still being sold in the rest of the world so us UK users will just have to look a bit harder for updates. sony are definately going to be putting all their UK resources into the X10. what i dont get is why are there never any adverts on telly for sony phones?? 5mins dont pass without an advert for an iphone. yet i dont think ive ever seen an advert for a sony phone. then they complain noone buys the damn things! lol.

good point. the last Sony Ericsson advert I remember was with the original cybershot camera phone, since then I haven't seen any really

Ive used the X1 for about 1 year now.
Must say that I'm not really that impressed on the X2 , but by all means its a nice phone. But if you compare it to the other phones that has the same price class you will get much more if you chose another device.
Currently I'm testing it out will get back in a day or two with more info.