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I didnt think the tytn had gps..!
am I right or wrong ?
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=303
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=321
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291181&page=38
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yeah i have seen this thread just seems theres alot of
problems getting it working, just wonderd why htc are saying tytn has gps
and can be used with tomtom but no one can get it working
I don't think HTC is saying it's built-in, just that it's available, supposedly as an add-on.
"quote from HTC site"
Support: HTC TyTN
Q: Does the integrated GPS turn off?
A: From everything seen so far, the GPS is only on when you activate the GPS software. You can conserve battery power by turning off the GSM radio when its not needed
it states "integrated GPS"
maybe I have made a mix up but this is stating its intergrated on the tytn
Could they possibly be refering to GPS the way cell phone GPS is defined? i.e. Ability to broadcast your triangulated position (via cell site, not satellite) for things like 911?
Dan.
That first link didn't load for me initially (some cookie not set I assume) so I didn't see it. The page certainly implies that the TyTN has integrated GPS, but it makes no sense for them to say "from everything seen so far" - if they made the product, shouldn't they know how it works?! This is very strange.
CmptrDan: I don't think it's an E911 related thing, because that cannot be used with regular GPS software AFAIK. If it's just the regular E911 TDOA technology, I don't think the handset even receives the location information; it is calculated by the cell towers and sent to the 911 operators. I must point out that I do not know any of this for certain.
CmptrDan said:
Could they possibly be refering to GPS the way cell phone GPS is defined? i.e. Ability to broadcast your triangulated position (via cell site, not satellite) for things like 911?
Dan.
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They suggest turning the GSM radio off to conserve power when using GPS so they can't be referring to triangulation and stuff like that because without the GSM radio on, it wouldn't work.
Everything about that answer is weird.
I think they mean that if you're worried about GPS wasting power, you should turn the GSM radio off, which should (theoretically) kill the GPS too. That part actually makes sense...
Maybe they're just toying with us
Maybe someone over at HTC has noticed the efforts being made by some here at XDA-Dev.
So they just bung in some obscure reference to GPS just to mess with our heads
Somebody should call HTC Europe and ask about that. And I mean call, not email, because then they have to give SOME kind of answer.
there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????
cybertron said:
there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????
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The links that you have written they report to gps external to the tytn.
i hope there are standards FAQ
It's logic that if you haven't GPS, or phone, or wifi, you don't ask nothing about.
Try to compare the ask possibilities of more devices...
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there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????
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Sorry for being the party pooper here but these articles seem to be generic and not specific to any particular phone model. You can see the same articles if you select Qtek S200. I don't take this as a sign from HTC that the Prophet contains a GPS receiver.
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I don't take this as a sign from HTC that the Prophet contains a GPS receiver.
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True, but the work in this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1121407&postcount=387 shows that there is an NMEA compliant device trying to come out in the Hermes . The parent thread for that also has the exact same GSM and GPS chipsets listed as being in the Tytn and the Trinity.
Seems like they're really getting close to having it working, so keep your fingers crossed!
called htc europe today they said the 3600 has enabled gps the 3300 has gps but disabled until the next rom update but the tytn has no gps.
I mentioned the htc website in the faq's on the tytn, they said there maybe a mistake and will take a look and rectify any mistakes if any.
(I might have got them two model numbers the wrong way around but one definitely has gps disabled)
se4me said:
called htc europe today they said the 3600 has enabled gps the 3300 has gps but disabled until the next rom update but the tytn has no gps.
I mentioned the htc website in the faq's on the tytn, they said there maybe a mistake and will take a look and rectify any mistakes if any.
(I might have got them two model numbers the wrong way around but one definitely has gps disabled)
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Well, the Tytn uses the exact same chipset as the Trinity, and this chipset has a built-in GPS (which the Trinity does use successfully as evidenced in this forum). I'm sure HTC doesn't want the general public to know that it's disabled this feature, but I've seen the chip info on Qualcomm's website and it does in fact have it. I didn't see any mention of GPS in the FCC submission for the Hermes, so they never had any intention of letting us use it (here in the states at least).
I really have to wonder why HTC would want to disable it other than to try and widen its product base a bit since the Trinity would have less public interest if the only difference between it and Hermes was the keyboard.
I really hope so would be great to get this feature working, at the moment im using a bluetooth gps reciver but not always got it with me.
if htc says there is no gps, then there shouldn't be any gps in tytn.
don't get too atracted
Hi !
I've tried a search on this forum but "no result for this search"
So is there a A-GPS functionnality and how can I use it ? with which soft ?
Thx for your answers (and sorry if it has already answered before )
KeitaroSenpai said:
Hi !
I've tried a search on this forum but "no result for this search"
So is there a A-GPS functionnality and how can I use it ? with which soft ?
Thx for your answers (and sorry if it has already answered before )
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No AGPS for this Qualcomm GPS.
Beware of placebo effect of avaricum QGPS that some guys are using
A-GPS is supported within the chipset, but there is not yet any software which can access it, and no-one appears to be developing any.
JeRoMe_aKa_JaY said:
No AGPS for this Qualcomm GPS.
Beware of placebo effect of avaricum QGPS that some guys are using
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It is not true!
Qualcomm MSM6275 Chipset is A-GPS
See here:
http://www.umtschips.com/products/msm6275_chipset_solution.jsp
we must wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance:
See here:
http://cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/gpsonextra_assistance.pdf
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we must wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance:
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So, no AGPS for this moment...
you're right, wait
To be honest, I don't quite think GpsOneXtra Assistance will really come to trinity.
The press release is even much later than its release, and probably even though the chipset supports it, there's still a need for OEM to support it either in the driver or the OS level.
To date, even Kaiser don't support this. So don't hold your breath....
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So, no AGPS for this moment...
you're right, wait
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Erm - no A-GPS is present. It is something that is network operator dependent - so to say no AGPS for the moment is not strictly true.
GpsOneXtra Assistance is not the same as A-GPS. A-GPS means that the network operator must implement a dedicated server on their netowrks to manage this and it would not work with roaming.
GpsOneXtra Assistance uses an internet connection to connect to a non network operator dependent server on the internet to get information.
So, we don't necessarily have to wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance and there is, at the moment A-GPS on the Trinity - but perhaps not your network operator.
Yes, you are correct that A-GPS is present in Trinity - but seems that there are few operator (about 50) which actually supports the GPSOne platform in their stations.
See http://www.cdmatech.com/locationservicesshowcase/highlights.jsp
And before every operator supports this crap, I guess the best way to get a quick fix is to have a software solution to download the pre-made ephemeris data and almanac data to the GPS chipset.
Or just go outside for 3 minutes, and get a proper fix!
HTC do support the A-GPS on the P3300 with a dedicated server, but fix times are only a few seconds faster than with GPS alone in many circumstances.
Approximately from 15 seconds to 45 secs...
This is maybe a stupid question! but if my operator supports gpsone platform, then how does it work? is there a software to activate this?
AFAIK there is not yet any software to activate the GPSOne facilities on WM devices.
Something new today ?....
I think that Orange France support this...
...any news?
Still nothing new on this matter?
In finland a lot of people have Nokias phones wich uses AGPS, so I think that its wery well supported by the local operators. But I didnt understand from the messages that is there any software to download from anywhere? Or do we still have to wait? Does anyone know anything more about this matter now?
In Germany O2 sends a cell brodcast on channel 221 giving the coordinates of the next cellphone tower in Gauß-Küger-Notation format (Can be converted to WGS84 gps coordinates easily).
Allso google maps mobile can use a similar system to determine your position when not using GPS (the funny thing about that: people with gps buildin help google maps determine where the cellphone towers are located.)
Now somehow feeding these coordinates + downloaded almanach into the chip sould decrease TTFF + TTF sicnificantly.
But since nobody really knows the functions of the qualcomm chip/driver this is pretty far away from us right now.
My dream would be:
Since I will recieve a Cell Broadcast massage every time i change my cellphone tower a nifty little program will load the Position into the chip (or every time I turn on GPS it loads them in, since I don`t know if the chip can be accessed when GPS turned off [won´t bet on that])
besides of that the same application sould download updated almanach-data and allso load them in on gps startup.
But I think this will stay a dream
Hi,
Using a Dopod 810 / HTC Trinity and have upgraded to the official WM6 ROM.
So far so good. Still a battery drainer but not as much as the cooked ROMS.
I am finding my GPS takes a bit of time to lock onto sattelites. So....
a. Does the HTC Trinity support AGPS
b. Does the Australian 3 network support AGPS (I believe it does as it works on the Nokia N95)
c. If so, how do I activate AGPS on the device with this latest ROM
Would love some help.
Cheers,
Jeff
Sorry, this thread is a little old but I would like to bump it as I am looking for answers to exactly the same questions.
Mostly interested in how to enable AGPS on the HTC Trinity.
Thanks for any info!
Same here..
it would be helpfull for me too...
i tried a app which is lying around somewhere in the forum that supposed to download some nav data through internet and work as agps..but sadly it doesn't worked for me..
as it said n95 support 3 australias agps so d810 should also..now if anyone have any idea about that..
thanks
sajib said:
i tried a app which is lying around somewhere in the forum that supposed to download some nav data through internet and work as agps..but sadly it doesn't worked for me.
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It does not work for everybody, not only for you .
All the programs you may find on the web are token from other devices like Kaiser and Polaris (Qualcomm GPSone MSM7200), or like Artemis and Eten devices (Sirf Star) ... and I never read somewhere that one of them worked correctly for the Trinity (Qualcomm GPS ONE MSM6275)
--> Actually (and perhaps never), No AGPS solution for Trinity.
The MSM6275 definitely supports AGPS, that is what the gpsONE at the end means. I've been trying to look stuff up but most of the data was on cdmatech.com which now just redirects to the qualcomm homepage no matter where you navigate and the qualcomm site has nothing of use there! Very annoying.
So is AGPS definitely not supported on trinity?
Is it supported on any HTC device?
Is it supported on any HTC device?
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Yes, Diamond does support it.
I downloaded the new ROM and I can't get the GPS to work at all. I wonder if my unit even has the GPS. Is there a way to find out if it does. I know the model is a PPC6800SP. I wonder if the SP stands for something.
I believe all the 6800's have the same qualcomm chip. I had trouble the first time with google maps and gps, then I walked a couple of blocks away and it was able to lock on. Try taking the phone for a short ride and see if that works.
jelsea said:
I downloaded the new ROM and I can't get the GPS to work at all. I wonder if my unit even has the GPS. Is there a way to find out if it does. I know the model is a PPC6800SP. I wonder if the SP stands for something.
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I'm sorry to let you down but I have a PPC 6800 and Yes it have GPS and yes you may download the las ROM from sprint but if you reed well there is no GPS ON right now the page say that for the 1Q of this year they "plan" to release a new ROM to "enable the GPS" the 1Q ends on march so we only have to wait...
To me friendly I don't personally I don't think they will enable the GPS because apparently the problem is no the GPS it is the antenna that in the original design was not design to be a ''Full GPS" it was design to be an "emergency GPS" and that is a big difference from a GPS to let the 911 know were you are between to antennas... and other thing is from you to get signal from a GPS satellite they are trying to get a "non real gps to work as a real gps" via software...
At least that is what I know about it I'm still waiting for the update... too...
For you to be happy yes we have a GPS antenna no full antenna but hey it is an antenna, we have the gps windows drivers for gps inside our phone, we have the com 9 open and sending info to the gps antenna, and we have a chip capable of prepossessing all the gps technology...
Pray and Wait.....
Lowenski said:
I'm sorry to let you down but I have a PPC 6800 and Yes it have GPS and yes you may download the las ROM from sprint but if you reed well there is no GPS ON right now the page say that for the 1Q of this year they "plan" to release a new ROM to "enable the GPS" the 1Q ends on march so we only have to wait...
To me friendly I don't personally I don't think they will enable the GPS because apparently the problem is no the GPS it is the antenna that in the original design was not design to be a ''Full GPS" it was design to be an "emergency GPS" and that is a big difference from a GPS to let the 911 know were you are between to antennas... and other thing is from you to get signal from a GPS satellite they are trying to get a "non real gps to work as a real gps" via software...
At least that is what I know about it I'm still waiting for the update... too...
For you to be happy yes we have a GPS antenna no full antenna but hey it is an antenna, we have the gps windows drivers for gps inside our phone, we have the com 9 open and sending info to the gps antenna, and we have a chip capable of prepossessing all the gps technology...
Pray and Wait.....
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im sorry that your massively misinformed why dont you go take a look in the titan upgrading forum, theres a gps test rom that got leaked that enables gps.
jelsea said:
I downloaded the new ROM and I can't get the GPS to work at all. I wonder if my unit even has the GPS. Is there a way to find out if it does. I know the model is a PPC6800SP. I wonder if the SP stands for something.
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Im gonna agree with UltimatePG, try it again. Make sure you are outside and can see the sky clearly (shouldnt matter but sometimes it does). also might wanna try a different app to connect. try google maps or try wififofum. my gps works on com4, might be the same or different for you, im not sure.
I would say try the Sprint Navigation App, since it is the only one that has worked for me the first time and every time. Stand outside, not near a window, not in your basement, outside.
Then wait, let it get sats, it might take a few minutes the first time but it will work.
Good luck!
Lowenski said:
I'm sorry to let you down but I have a PPC 6800 and Yes it have GPS and yes you may download the las ROM from sprint but if you reed well there is no GPS ON right now the page say that for the 1Q of this year they "plan" to release a new ROM to "enable the GPS" the 1Q ends on march so we only have to wait...
To me friendly I don't personally I don't think they will enable the GPS because apparently the problem is no the GPS it is the antenna that in the original design was not design to be a ''Full GPS" it was design to be an "emergency GPS" and that is a big difference from a GPS to let the 911 know were you are between to antennas... and other thing is from you to get signal from a GPS satellite they are trying to get a "non real gps to work as a real gps" via software...
At least that is what I know about it I'm still waiting for the update... too...
For you to be happy yes we have a GPS antenna no full antenna but hey it is an antenna, we have the gps windows drivers for gps inside our phone, we have the com 9 open and sending info to the gps antenna, and we have a chip capable of prepossessing all the gps technology...
Pray and Wait.....
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This is so last year....
It turns out,after all the people talked down to people who suggested that the mogul; had full gps,after all the snide comments and flames to people who suggested that it really had it,based on the chip specs,and after all the people who told others to "STFU,the mogul "ONLY" has AGPS and will never get "REAL" gps, that the test rom that was released does in fact enable full gps functionality (as well as the coveted EVDO rev A) that so many people wanted. I am typing this,connected to the internet over a rev A connection. I tried out tom-tom navigator sunday when I drove to see my GF. Its real,its here,and it rocks.
jelsea said:
I downloaded the new ROM and I can't get the GPS to work at all. I wonder if my unit even has the GPS. Is there a way to find out if it does. I know the model is a PPC6800SP. I wonder if the SP stands for something.
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it has GPS in it. I ended doing a search for "gpsinfo.exe download" (no quotes) on google and found a small app that displays your satelite info. Some people have reported that it can take up to 45 minutes for the phone to get a good connection. Mine took about 20 minutes before it found any satelites, now it finds them very fast. The first time takes awhile. So grab a cup of coffee and fire up either google maps or gpsinfo and stank outside for a bit.
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XmentalX said:
im sorry that your massively misinformed why dont you go take a look in the titan upgrading forum, theres a gps test rom that got leaked that enables gps.
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Yes I try the new rom and iGuidance works find but google earth no and other programs seems not to work right and the ROM have many stability problems I hope when they release the final version will be more stable....
Sorry for miss informing.... but I still think people can start working in a more intelligent way like for example the ATI drivers.... and many other thing companies do not take the time to make them work find from the first time...
Why if you have a Phone capable of GPS why you just no enable it before marketing, why if we can have ATI acceleration we don't...
and let me tell you I have tested the GPS of the tilt and works much better than the mogul new ROM....
Lowenski said:
Yes I try the new rom and iGuidance works find but google earth no and other programs seems not to work right and the ROM have many stability problems I hope when they release the final version will be more stable....
Sorry for miss informing.... but I still think people can start working in a more intelligent way like for example the ATI drivers.... and many other thing companies do not take the time to make them work find from the first time...
Why if you have a Phone capable of GPS why you just no enable it before marketing, why if we can have ATI acceleration we don't...
and let me tell you I have tested the GPS of the tilt and works much better than the mogul new ROM....
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wow -- between you two messages you said two totally different things. First you said you don't have GPS and Sprint will never have it, then you say you are testing it and that you have even played with a tilt.
Strange -- I'm confused.
i read something a while back about someone who had disassembled a mogul and found it just had a dummy antenna where the gps antenna should be, i cant find a link now because google only shows all the new pages with info on the leaked update, but i suppose it could be possible there are some moguls out there with gps but no antenna
i too think its funny about all those snide people who said it only had agps. i hope they're going back to take a long look at their posts..ehheheh
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quantumforce1 said:
wow -- between you two messages you said two totally different things. First you said you don't have GPS and Sprint will never have it, then you say you are testing it and that you have even played with a tilt.
Strange -- I'm confused.
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I'm so sorry about all people confused... Well Yes I have tested the Pre-Release of the new upcoming ROM from Sprint.... I have a PPC 6800 (Mogul) I have tested the HTC Tilt that my friends own... The gps in the 6800 is working kind of slow in comparison to the gps of the tilt my gps is working in COM4: at 4800 bps
and the GPS in the tilt works on COM4: at 9600 bps the New rom for the 6800 have a lot of problems it have problems connecting to the internet... have stability problems, some times the Display do not turn on, some times tis freeze, some times you are in the middle of a call and you los the audio... and many other problems...
The slow speed of the GPS let me thinking about the antenna problem.... I have seen 2 different models of the Mogul I don't know if one of the other have no GPS or what...
But When I write my first post I did no see another post in wish is available the new ROM I only have the facts of the problems with the GPS and the antenna Now I'm running at
ROM 3.16.651.0
Radio version: 3.27.00
I strongly suggest for everyone to wait until Sprint release the Final version of the ROM like they say they will on March... if it happen...
Any one wish need some print screens I can e-mail them....
Thanks
Low Baud Rate
I wouldn't be too concerned with the low baud rate of the GPS.
GPS only needs to send a minimal amount of data...and 4800 bps is more than sufficient to handle the necessary data.
As far as the stability issues, the ROM being used is nowhere near a "final product". I would also attribute most of the problems to the ROM and not the GPS
As far as the lack of support for GPS from HTC, you need to remember between Sprint and HTC, there have been a lot of issues with supporting features that were built into the phone. Remember the 6600 EVDO issue?
Now, to the guy who cannot get GPS working.
Load google maps, does it say "acquiring satellites"?
It does? Good...
Now, place your phone on your car's dashboard.
Drive around for 20 minutes(hopefully away from tall buildings).
Now, pickup your phone and look at it. It should have your position.
GPS signals are VERY weak. In comparison to most other signals, the signal degradation is INSANE. However, it is much easier to keep a signal once you have acquired it. So, once you get that signal, it should be easy to keep locked
Also, after you have acquired satellites your GPS can do a much better job at 'guessing' what to look for. So when you turn it off and then turn it back on, it can guess at GPS satellite location(I am severely oversimplifying everything).
I have loaded two GPS roms. Each time, I had to drive the car around to get a signal(even after standing outside my home for 20 minutes). The car is more comfortable, easier to maneuver into an open area, and it should work within a few minutes.
I was going to take apart my sprint touch but don't have the right size torx wrench. Can anybody take some shots of the inside to show where the GPS device might possibly be.
I didn't see anything in the FCC filing so I am starting to get doubtful that GPS is included and fear it may be telenav that Sprint will use instead.
MSM7500 Chipset has the GPS chip inside of it. Go check qualcom's site, and you will see it has the GPS/REv. A radio in it. Then check your phone's chipset in teh phone's menu. There you will see it runs the MSM7500.. So yes it has GPS. THe only question is wil sprint limit its capabilties???
The GPSOne chip is integrated into the MSM7500, but if the Touch is missing the GPS antenna it could still be a no-go.
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The GPSOne chip is integrated into the MSM7500, but if the Touch is missing the GPS antenna it could still be a no-go.
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They took pictures of the inside of the Titan and said it didn't have a GPS antenna, but were wrong. Either the CDMA or the Bluetooth antenna is also the GPS antenna. I can't remember which right now.
We had this issue with the titan as well. People would suggest that it had GPS or ask if it would be activated and of course people would respond in a condescending tone telling them it didnt have it. It turns out it does and I strongly suspect that the Vogue has the same,as it is a very similar phone. In fact,I read that someone got the vogue radio rom to work on the titan. If thats the case it might work the other way and you could get GPS and Rev A now,by using the leaked titan rom. (Of course you could brick the phone as well) I dont know all the specifics,and certainly dont know that much about the vogue (I have a titan) but it might be worth checking the titan forums.
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We had this issue with the titan as well. People would suggest that it had GPS or ask if it would be activated and of course people would respond in a condescending tone telling them it didnt have it. It turns out it does and I strongly suspect that the Vogue has the same,as it is a very similar phone. In fact,I read that someone got the vogue radio rom to work on the titan. If thats the case it might work the other way and you could get GPS and Rev A now,by using the leaked titan rom. (Of course you could brick the phone as well) I dont know all the specifics,and certainly dont know that much about the vogue (I have a titan) but it might be worth checking the titan forums.
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** This is a challenge for Musicman247 !! **
I never meant to imply that the Touch doesn't have GPS capability, just that it is not 100% certain yet. People did miss the GPS antenna on the Titan, but it was there. I really do hope the Touch is GPS capable, my wife has one.
JDillard and a couple others have said they are running radio 3.27 on their Touch. It doesn't appear to have done anything though. No Rev A and no GPS still. It appears there are some critical components built into the ROM that enable those funtions. Seems strange that radio 3.27 will run on the Touch without ROM 3.16. On the Titan you need both installed to even get the phone to boot.
Here's hoping for GPS and Rev A on the Touch soon!
GPSone antenna
The reason why you couldnt find the antenna inside the touch is because it is a GPSone chip, not regular GPS. It uses the cell towers to make an approximation of where you are, it is not like regular GPS as it does not communicate directly with GPS satelites (hence no need for a GPS antenna).
GpsOne uses A-GPS, which means satellites plus cell towers. This improves positioning information when satellite signal quality is poor, especially when indoors. You'll still know where you are in the middle of the Pacific; you just won't be able to make any calls.
Martin Blank said:
GpsOne uses A-GPS, which means satellites plus cell towers. This improves positioning information when satellite signal quality is poor, especially when indoors. You'll still know where you are in the middle of the Pacific; you just won't be able to make any calls.
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That is why when I get a fix and go in the house it shows me going across the floor inside the house. This is with Google Maps turned on and use GPS checked and then show my location. It does work and can get a fix most times with many satellites but sometimes it just won't work so it is really iffy. I get a fix about 70% so not too bad. I am with Alltel and have the MP6900 HTC Touch and think this is the Vogue but have never found out for sure.