Hi,
I have recently received an enquiry about a post I made saying that I contacted HTC about a month ago asking if WinMo 7 will be made available for the HD2, and if it will be a free download. I have found their response so have decided to post it on here:-
"Dear Toby
Thank you for your enquiry about HD2
What we do it ROM Upgrades from our website, however 6.5 windows mobile has only been out 2 months and windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed. This wont be out until next november at the earliest. But when it is available it will be a free download.
If these steps have not helped, please let me know by responding using the link provided and I will be happy to check again for you.
Best regards,
Terry Snelling
HTC customer support team
HTC Corp. Global Service Division
http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx"
When asked to comment on the sayings of a HTC developer who said that WM7 will be available for the HD2 on Twitter, HTC responded "No, disregard that". Should have said "when and if" instead of "when".
So yeah. We're not exactly too sure about what the branches are up to.
It's not like this matters anyway, you'll probably have your share of WM7 roms here in xda.
Yunabeco said:
It's not like this matters anyway, you'll probably have your share of WM7 roms here in xda.
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I wouldn't bet on that. Developing a ROM based on an entirely new CE kernel is a totally different proposition to going to a different version of WM6.x - where are the hardware drivers going to come from?
I doubt it will be a new rom for us. First, its seems its being pushed to q1 2011, second, new phones with dual core processors will come out and it will hurt sales if they offer an upgrade to 7. They need to sell the new phones.
Its just business guys, its not like HTC cares so much about the current hd2 owners. They are in the money making business.
To be fair, lorin.bute is on the money here - I'll probably only have this phone a year at most and there'll be bigger & better around by the time WM7 is out.
That said, if they do release wm7 for hd2, it will a nice thing for them to do
I have doubt there will be any official WM7 release for HD2, just as there is no official WM6.5 for HD.
Shasarak said:
I wouldn't bet on that. Developing a ROM based on an entirely new CE kernel is a totally different proposition to going to a different version of WM6.x - where are the hardware drivers going to come from?
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Many devices originally running WM5 have 'unofficial' WM6(.5.x) Roms available.
Drivers can be created or taken from devices using the same hardware.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if WM7 turns out to be able to use 6.x hardware drivers.
If the HD2 continues to be a well sold device, and -not unimportant- the first device that meets the WM7 HW Specs, it could be a logical choice for HTC to come up with an upgrade.
And offcourse it also depends on when WM7 will be available. If it comes out in April, the HD2 may still be HTC's 'flagship'. If it comes out in november, chances are the HD2 is not that fast, big and high tech anymore..
@tomasz
Going from WM6 to WM7 is something completely different than going from WM5 to WM6. WM5 and WM6 share the same kernel (kinda), so it's easy to update, as all the drivers still work. Drivers made for WM6 will not work on WM7.
But HD2 is testing WM7 on the HD2 and it only takes someone to leak a ROM and we'll have all the necessary software to port WM7 to the HD2. So even if HTC doesn't release an official update, I'm pretty sure that we'll get it.
But we definitely can't develop the necessary software ourselves and it's not like the updates from WM5 to WM6, that's where Shasarak is right. All we can do now is wait and see what happens.
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Many devices originally running WM5 have 'unofficial' WM6(.5.x) Roms available.
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Yes, but Windows Mobile 5.0, 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 are all based on Windows CE version 5-point-something. (You forget how little development has been going on with Windows Mobile for the past several years - very little has actually changed between 5.0 and 6.5). Going to WM7 we go to a Windows CE version 6 kernel, which is completely different.
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What devices are there which have identical hardware to the HD2 and are running WM7? I take the point that there probably will be devices out there with similar hardware running WM7 at some point; but look at the issues people are currently having porting graphics drivers from the Toshiba TG01 to the HD2 (and they really do have virtually identical hardware) - it mostly works, but it's not perfect. And every device onboard needs a driver - not just the main chipset, but things like the camera too. What are the chances a WM7 phone will have an identical camera to the HD2? And where are we going to get a WM7-compatible radio ROM from?
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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if WM7 turns out to be able to use 6.x hardware drivers.
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It's already been announced that it won't.
tomasz said:
If the HD2 continues to be a well sold device, and -not unimportant- the first device that meets the WM7 HW Specs, it could be a logical choice for HTC to come up with an upgrade.
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It would be a totally illogical choice for an upgrade, because WM7 isn't due out until Q4 this year - likely late Q4 according to some rumours. That means the HD2's successor will probably launch as HTC's first (flagship) WM7 phone. At that point, if HTC issues a WM7 upgrade for the HD2 they will be seriously cannibalising HD3 sales; from HTC's perspective, they want anyone who wishes to upgrade to WM7 to buy a new phone to do it. There was no official WM6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD for the same reason.
freyberry said:
But HD2 is testing WM7 on the HD2 and it only takes someone to leak a ROM and we'll have all the necessary software to port WM7 to the HD2. So even if HTC doesn't release an official update, I'm pretty sure that we'll get it.
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If HTC are testing WM7 on actual HD2 hardware, then there may indeed be a helpful leak at some point. Do you have a source for that claim, or are you just being optimistic?
by 2011, i think i can upgrade my phone again since it reaching the end of my contract....
Shasarak said:
It would be a totally illogical choice for an upgrade, because WM7 isn't due out until Q4 this year - likely late Q4 according to some rumours. That means the HD2's successor will probably launch as HTC's first (flagship) WM7 phone. At that point, if HTC issues a WM7 upgrade for the HD2 they will be seriously cannibalising HD3 sales; from HTC's perspective, they want anyone who wishes to upgrade to WM7 to buy a new phone to do it. There was no official WM6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD for the same reason.
If HTC are testing WM7 on actual HD2 hardware, then there may indeed be a helpful leak at some point. Do you have a source for that claim, or are you just being optimistic?
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OK, some additions to your points.
I really don't think that a WM7 upgrade would hurt HD3 sales. Would Apple still sell the iPhone 3G if it did hurt 3GS sales? Probably not. If someone wants an HD3, he'll buy an HD3. If someone doesn't want to spend that much, he'll buy a cheaper device, which could then be the HD2 (because it saves HTC some costs of developing new mid-range phones if they continue to sell the last gen devices, just like Apple does). The reason for not providing a WM6.5 upgrade to the Touch HD is that they have to draw a line somewhere. Testing and adjusting new WM versions causes additional costs and they have to decide if it pays (because they give out the upgrade for free, so the "only" thing they get in return is satisfaction of their customers). Yes, I do think that they should have provided WM6.5 for the Touch HD, but apparently they decided that it would not pay. Apple only has to support two last-gen devices, it would be much too expensive for HTC to develop upgrades for all their devices, so they have to choose which ones to support.
About HTC testing WM7 on the HD2: I know that the necessary software exists, but I can't tell you any more than that (and I don't know more than that). Of course I can not guarantee that there will be a leak, I'm just being optimistic about this. Only time will tell if there will be an official upgrade or a leak that we can use, but yes, I am optimistic
snerkler said:
HTC customer support team
HTC Corp. Global Service Division
http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx"
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I wouldn't bet a penny on that statement.
All I've read so far about HTC customer support responses (HD2: ROM upgrades, warranty, release datesm..) were vague. One not knowing what the other one said, contradictious statements, etc.
Unless that "confirmation" is not from a "higher positioned" employee, it's not more promising than the russian tweet about the Upgrade.
Maybe I'm a skeptic, but the only thing I believe from that statement is that WM7 is scheduled for release in November. I wouldn't be surpsied if like most CS reps he was a bit confused and didn't realize that MS/HTC is probably going to push out 6.5.3 to the HD.
More than likely 6.5.3 will be released as a free download
WM7 will start appearing in Nov (on new devices though)
And since I've never seen HTC develop 2 OS updates for a device, I don't see it happening now, unless times are changing and that WM7 license is free or something.
Personally I do believe we will get an update from HTC for the HD2 but I dont think it will be when WM7 launches or anytime soon after that. I hope I am wrong but if WM7 is as good as we hope and erases the ghosts of previous WinMo iterations then we will see an influx of new Handsets from most of the manufacturers. Leaving little time for the HD2...until the dust settles that it is...
Just my opinion mind you, I am thoroughly expecting to be wrong on this...
I'd say Windows 7 is being tested on the HD2 right now.
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/microsoft-implies-windows-mobile-7-headed-to-htc-hd2
freyberry said:
OK, some additions to your points.
I really don't think that a WM7 upgrade would hurt HD3 sales. Would Apple still sell the iPhone 3G if it did hurt 3GS sales? Probably not.
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The critical difference there is that the iPhone 3G is still an active product: Apple is still making and selling them. (Though you'll note that they discontinued the 16GB version of the 3G as soon as the 3GS launched for precisely that reason - so as to avoid hurting 3GS sales by competing with it).
HTC doesn't operate like that. They have well-defined market sectors, and when a new device comes out in any one sector, the old one is retired and production ceases. Consider, for example, the Touch Diamond, Touch Pro and Touch HD - once the TD2, TP2 and HD2 came out, each of those replaced the earlier model, and the earlier version immediately ceased production. They didn't keep the old Touch HD going as a cheap version of the HD2; that role is fulfilled by the TD2.
Very few manufacturers offer any sort of ongoing development for phone models which aren't being made any more, and HTC is no exception: once the HD2 is no longer being made and sold, we won't see any more major updates for it. For so long as it remains in production, we may.
So the question is simply whether WM7 will become available before or after the HD2 ceases production. If it comes out several months before, there's a good chance of a port (because not offering it would hurt HD2 sales in the mean time). If it comes out after the HD2 isn't being sold any more, there is no chance. And all the precedents suggest that they will stop making HD2's as soon as a replacement model comes out, and that the replacement will likely appear about a year after the model it replaces - which is round about the time WM7 is expected to launch.
Even if you ignore HTC's history of model replacement, it's still very unlikely that the HD2 will remain in production after a new flagship model is released. The iPhone 3G and 3GS can coexist because there's such a large gap between the two in hardware terms (in the same way as there is between the HD2 and the TD2). But it's doubtful that the HD3 hardware will actually be that far ahead of the HD2. (Look how long HTC stuck with MSM72XX chipsets before moving to Snapdragon; it'll likely be a while before they move on from Snapdragon to anything faster). The fact that the HD3 has WM7 will quite likely be the primary thing that differentiates it from the HD2; giving existing HD2 owners access to WM7 would eliminate all motivation for upgrading. There's no way HTC will do that.
I paste also here my comment:
Well, HTC can motivate consumers to buy new devices end of 2010 in 2 ways - by not upgrading existing to WM7 and offering it only with the new devices, or by offering new devices with much faster hardware, which will be an incentive on its own. I am not sure which option HTC will choose though ... having in mind how the competition will upgrade the hardware soon (Apple, Motorola) I think HTC will be forced to do the same as well (and for good)
What I am sure about is that currently MS is testing WM7 on HD2. I hope that at least this version leaks out inofficially
Windows 7 mobile is already in leak..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/17/early-windows-mobile-7-build-given-some-hands-on-time-incompati/
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I'd say Windows 7 is being tested on the HD2 right now.
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Well, WM6.5 has been tested also on Xperia X1 and finally there didn't come any update. I think that it is normal that the developers test it on phones that are able to work with the new OS, but it doesn't mean that HD2 will definetly get an official update - though I pray for it...
imperiallight said:
Windows 7 mobile is already in leak..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/17/early-windows-mobile-7-build-given-some-hands-on-time-incompati/
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http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/01/17/windows-mobile-7-rumors-getting-out-of-hand/
Certainly not the most reputable source... I would say... also doesn't seem to be a very educated one either.
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when i asked the premium reseller in my country about a free upgrade to wm6.5 expexted for htc hd he told me that it is not final that hd will not get it he told me that htc told him that they haven't decided yet and he will know in november if there will be an upgrade or not
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when i asked the premium reseller in my country about a free upgrade to wm6.5 expexted for htc hd he told me that it is not final that hd will not get it he told me that htc told him that they haven't decided yet and he will know in november if there will be an upgrade or not
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I'd be extremely surprised if they were to offer this after they said they wouldn't. It would be a welcomed change from their part, but I have my reservations about this............
If they really would release it, then only after some time selling the most recent devices which will come with WM6.5. Would be very nice from HTC side, but i think they won´t.
TMReuffurth said:
If they really would release it, then only after some time selling the most recent devices which will come with WM6.5. Would be very nice from HTC side, but i think they won´t.
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htc made a thing like this before for the tytnII it upgraded it to wm6.1 after the td and touchpro are sold enough
i really hope they do. in a way, the official 6.1 upgrade gave my touch dual a new lease of life.
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i really hope they do. in a way, the official 6.1 upgrade gave my touch dual a new lease of life.
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Precisely what a phone manufacturer doesn't want.
which is why HTC dosent let anyone flash whatever they want. its just a minority of users that come to this site and learn how to bypass CID etc.
6.1 was released for the touch dual because it went on sale in certain markets quite a while after the original 6.0 device was released.
so, fingers crossed, there are markets where the HD is still selling decently well, and HTC isnt bringing the Leo out anytime soon. It's this kind of scenario that will result in us seeing a (official) rom upgrade
i got kind of sick of using cooked 6.5 roms since they dont approach the stability of an official upgrade, which is unfortunate, but i cant tolerate that for my main phone. maybe after i get a replacement for my HD, i'll play around with upgrading it. much like what i do with my Universal after i got my touch dual. I dont use it as my critical business phone, so had fun tinkering with it!
i think everyone with an HD, that are not part of this comunity, a simply google search of: windows mobile 6.5 on touch hd, most pages that you get will have a link to xda-devs, so i hope HTC will realize that by them not giving the upgrade wont stop people from flashing it to their HD, thus better if they save all that hassle and just give the damn upgrade already
I own a Blackstone because last year our company's IT department did not certify other OS than Windows Mobile which will change soon (as Apple and Android move closer to a better MS Exchange connection).
I clearly expect from a mobile device manufacturer to keep their devices including the OS on the latrst and most current level at least for the usual time people use such devices (i.e. 2 years after purchase, if connected to a mobile provider contract). As far as I know, in many companies thie cycle is used even if there is no such connection to a provider.
To me, a company is not trustworthy that advertises the Touch HD as its "top level" device and one month later says that they will no longer support this device. It is RIDICULOUS that HTC did not even offer a ROM upgrade including the latest Manila 2.0/2.1, and this during a time period where the Touch HD was and still is an outstanding device.
Apple, by the way, offers free or cheap upgrades for their iphones which make it possible to run the latest version on the first iphones that had bveen manufactured. This does not prevent customers from buying more iPhones than aver. And I am convinced that if HTC would offer upgrades to the latest WM version or Manila version for existing devices, this would not drop sales significantly. Not offering upgrades is a fair swindle.
I am well aware that many people here stand close behind HTC and understand and tolerate the behaviour and business model of HTC much better than I do. I am using HTC devices for 5 years now and if we had not xda-developers, I would not even think of touching a HTC device again. I would certainly not buy one.
Cheers,
Eriol
xdaassasin said:
All is about money why put latest sw a better firmware if you need to sell more new product.etc touch HD2.Apple has got only few rubbish phones for stupid people.HTC is selling to completly diferrent customers levels.
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You mean, the quality of Apple's phones is to be compared to the intelligence of HTC customers?
No, honestly: I understand that you are in favour of the business strategy of HTC. But I cannot really understand this. I think that customers should put much more pressure on HTC. I, for instance, will not buy a new device every year. I will get one every two years. And I know quite a lot of other people who act the same way. I am aware that especially amongst the cookers and Chief's here at xda-developers, there are quite some that are really technic-freaks and always try to get hands on the latest device available. It is not their obligation to create ROMs for older models. But I think that it is definitely an obligation of HTC to do so. Especially because HTC devices are in fact technically speaking astonishing (if I look at my old Wizard and see how fast it runs TF2D ...).
Eriol
In my opinion, the HD2 will be outdated very soon (Software part) unless HTC announces an official Windows Mobile 7 upgrade. What do you think?
Worrying about official upgrades is a waste of time if you're a member of XDA-Devs...
I will buy this phone when it's released, but sure hope the phone get's a update for windows mobile 7
Pantaloonie said:
Worrying about official upgrades is a waste of time if you're a member of XDA-Devs...
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fully agreed, kinda waste of time to poll something that no one can find the answer.
Pantaloonie said:
Worrying about official upgrades is a waste of time if you're a member of XDA-Devs...
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That's BS... if you want a bug free phone. ROMS are great for extra functionality, but lets face it, they can be the cause of many headaches especially if you have an extremely busy schedule.
As to the original question. I would be shocked if the HD2 got a WM7 upgrade. Just as HTC didn't upgrade the HD to WM6.5, I doubt they'll be updating the HD2.
I don't think any phone will get Win7 upgradability, just b/c if 7 turns out to be as great as we hope it to be, manufacturers will want to milk every last dime out of us to get us to upgrade. (6.5, 6.1, and even 6.0 were different, as they changed very little besides a minimal amount of skinning between builds)
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fully agreed, kinda waste of time to poll something that no one can find the answer.
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You didn't get it bro,
If you are a member of XDA you will get the upgrade
salamt said:
You didn't get it bro,
If you are a member of XDA you will get the upgrade
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Shure Thing
I dont think HD2 get WM7 upgrade, when 7 is coming HTC have new phones for that and HTC has a history to forget all they old customers/devices.
also worth remembering that WM7 might be a step backwards!!
consider the change from windows 98 to millenium...a disaster!!..or XP to Vista..just as much a disaster..
don't go thinking that WM7 will be the best thing you've ever seen...it might be, but it might not.
WM7 will not be out for another 10-12 months, maybe longer. Microsoft officially announced WM 6.5 just last week. It think by the time we get the first phone with WM7, HD2's hardware will be obsolete. We will probably be looking at something with at least 2 GHz and 1 GB RAM by then.
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also worth remembering that WM7 might be a step backwards!!
consider the change from windows 98 to millenium...a disaster!!..or XP to Vista..just as much a disaster..
don't go thinking that WM7 will be the best thing you've ever seen...it might be, but it might not.
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Doubtful: PC based Win 7 is getting good, not glowing, reviews. The major consensus is the improved speed via lightened kernel. WinMo 7 will be a step in the right direction to ward off further losses to android and greater customer satisfaction.
I'm not saying it's going to be awful, but it just seems that a lot of poeple are syaing 'we must have WM7...we need it desperately..'....where as I think they should just wait and see. They are in danger of making the jump, finding it isn't that great and then blaming MS for giving a crap product
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I'm not saying it's going to be awful, but it just seems that a lot of poeple are syaing 'we must have WM7...we need it desperately..'....where as I think they should just wait and see. They are in danger of making the jump, finding it isn't that great and then blaming MS for giving a crap product
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Well if wm 7 turns out to be worse than wm 6.5 then whom should we blame but microsoft? It's their product and they've been hyping it for years.
again, I'm not against that point, what I'm saying is why is there so much "we MUST have WM7" and "I only want this phone if I get WM7"??
here's an idea..why not buy a crap nokia, and wait for a year then get a new phone if WM7 is what you're waiting for?
I like WinMo OS and I am not planning to use any other OS anytime soon but it is annoying that I need to upgrade my less than a year HD to the HD2 to get more software features which is in this case WinMo 6.5
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why apple and android owners have a periodic updates adding new features while we have to buy a new phone to get these updates?
salamt said:
In my opinion, the HD2 will be outdated very soon (Software part) unless HTC announces an official Windows Mobile 7 upgrade. What do you think?
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not unless we here at xda are not capable of putting android or maemo on it
qsd8250 will not be hard enough for an android port.
cheers.
Well, I don't care for Android, so whatever happens with that OS is highly irrelevant. I'm sure I'm not alone.
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I like WinMo OS and I am not planning to use any other OS anytime soon but it is annoying that I need to upgrade my less than a year HD to the HD2 to get more software features which is in this case WinMo 6.5
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why apple and android owners have a periodic updates adding new features while we have to buy a new phone to get these updates?
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Because HTC prefer to sell a new phone than offering an OS update to exisiting phone for more profit.
An OS upgrade would cost money to HTC - licensing fees, development costs etc. Since they seem to have a useful lifetime of their flagship model of about 1 year and try to release new ones during the pre-Christmas shopping season, it would be fairly stupid of them to cannibalize sales of their new models by spending money on upgrading older ones.
The mid-model year phones get their upgrades quite often though. So I'd venture to guess that if WM7 gets released early next year and it's not too far away from WM6.5 in terms of porting applications etc. getting an official upgrade would not be impossible... If WM7 is more than half a year away I'd say forget about it.
What advantages would Windows Mobile 7 have over 6.5? I thought the new Manila 2.5 basically reskinned the entire OS. The only thing unique I've seen so far is they announced Zune integration with WM7. That feature should be pretty cool.
Some web site say HTC HD2 will be upgraded to WM7 next year, such as
http://www.redmondpie.com/htc-hd2-to-get-windows-mobile-7-upgrade-9140128/
Is it true?
looks like it : http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8793.html
Of course, it's all still unsubstatiated rumour at this point, despite what their "sources" might say.
Yeah, even the screenshot on this site could be a fake.
This WM7 calendar screenshot has appears exactly the same some weeks ago, so it could be assembled on a HD2 image in photoshop.
Anyway, everything is possible. We all know that HTC hasn't provided 6.5 update for HD, BUT if MS announce WM7 at Mobile World Congress in February, it could be possible. Because HD2 will only be available in US in January. So if they don't propose an upgrade, I guess they will not sell a lot of HD2 in U.S.
Marketing marketing....
Even if announcement if Feb next year (which does sound pretty likely to me), an annoncement does not constitute a release. The current rumours for WM7 release are hovering around late 2010 - by which time the HD2 will be quite outdated.
I think the question to ask is: did the original Touch HD get an official upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.5? (As the sheriff of Nottingham would say - a clue: no). HTC tends to offer upgrades for models 6-7 months old, but not for models a year old that have been replaced.
WM 7 will ship at about the same time as HTC will be launching the replacement model for the HD2. They will want to do everything they can to persuade existing HD2 owners to upgrade to the new model; my guess is that this will include not offering them WM7 unless they do.
No win 7 http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-will-not-get-wm7-update/
WHAT!??????????
Lol that site is so retarded they cant even find the right picture for the HD2.
I dont care if it gets win7 or not, by the time win7 is out ill be having HD3 or something better
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Lol that site is so retarded they cant even find the right picture for the HD2.
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Yeah!! Where can I get one of those fancy looking HD2s with no hardware buttons and a smaller screen?
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No win 7 http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-will-not-get-wm7-update/
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are you going to take a site seriously when they use a picture of an HD for an HD2 story?
I bet immediately MS announces WM7, the chefs here will be releasing cooked WM7 ROMs!
The HD doesn't have a 6.5 upgrade but it didn't stop me upgrading my friend's HD to 6.5 via downloads from this very website.
The moral is it doesn't matter a **** if it gets an upgrade or not, it won't stop cooked Windows Mobile 7 roms becoming available for the device once the new OS is released.
HD2 is hardware ready for WM7. There should be a logical explanation why HTC doesnt want to sell the HD2 with Android. I think MS will provide WM7 on the HD2 for free because it is a huge seller and makes WM6.5 look good.
As the HD2 was only avalilable in November 2009 and WM7 is announced for February 2010, I am pretty sure that this time guys from HTC are planning to upgrade the HD2 to WM7.
They need to keep the HD2 competitive as soon as the other WM7 devices will be released.
Client who spent their money on an expensive HD2 would be quite frustrated if not the case.
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As the HD2 was only avalilable in November 2009 and WM7 is announced for February 2010, I am pretty sure that this time guys from HTC are planning to upgrade the HD2 to WM7.
They need to keep the HD2 competitive as soon as the other WM7 devices will be released.
Client who spent their money on an expensive HD2 would be quite frustrated if not the case.
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I think it's more likely to receive a WM7 upgrade due to the late US release rather than because it's a flagship device. However, I'm not going to get my hopes up until we receive an official confirmation.
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I doubt they will care.
Do you think prices for the phone will start falling? The phone is essentially a dead end unless the wizards of xda cook something up.
I cannot stand this blabbering about "HD2 as a dead phone". There is NO WP7S to come within the next at least 6 months... AND WP6.5.x seems to go on. HD2 is still THE phone that you have to buy today if you want by far the best Win-Phone. The prices won't suffer some kind of inflation too soon... It hasn't been launched in the US at all and it stays the HTC-flagship until HD3 will be launched in the end of this year.
Well the price for the phone through mobile service providers is already low... I got mine for 79€ and another 24 months commitment.
I don't really see why they'd bring the price down any lower... They never claimed it would be upgradable to WP7 so why should they feel obliged to lower the price?
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.
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It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
Price will come down anyways. It will take some times but you can get them with some carriers for cheaper as other posters have mentioned.
I don't see any relationship between the price and actually the phone not being upgradable to WP7.
It is still too early to see anything.
IF there is a "WP7-related" price fall at some point, it won't be before WP7 devices are actually selling. You've got time ahead.
Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?
it is a dead end NOW, cause developers are ALREADY abandoning wm6.5.x
like adobe, skype and a lot more.
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Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?
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good point
I cant wait to flash Android on my phone.
Windows will never make it, people aren't writing that much for it any more.
RIP
moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
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why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.
appoggio said:
why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.
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then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft
Microsoft confirms lack of backward compatibility in Windows Phone 7
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13936
This obviously killed WinMO 6.5 and below.
moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
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I guess you need to buy an iphone if you want software upgrades to newer OS versions. But then again......who knows whether Apple will continue this. After all they always used to shaft ipod users: As soon as a new model was out NO more updates for the previous one!
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then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft
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chefs are here... HD2 got the power to run WP7... so where is the problem?
I bet my a$$ that we'll have cooked ROM with WP7 on our HD2...
HD2 RULZ
yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.
NeoGreendawg said:
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.
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Totally agree. HD2 meets my current and future needs right now until my upgrade next year, only then will i consider what is on the market.
The world is ending??!!
My God! Run! Everyone for themselves!
it is not 100% confirmed now that hd2 will not get update ,they are keeping this suspebnded to never lower any device price
Frostlance said:
yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.
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Is there an official statement of any of that from MS themselves? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon and spouting "what I 'eard of't internet"
Hi
As i see in my favorite forum, there are a lot of people interested to get the new HTC Desire HD
But Google has been announced about the now Android 3
So my friends
Do you think desire HD will support android 3
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Yes.
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i think that yep, but we will need to wait to mach time to htc to make it fit (btw - have root, have recovery - so have fun alon)
Given HTC's history, they have supported some phones and completely ignored some others.
We can only hope.
I think we should at least see 1 android version update (i.ex: if not v.3, at least a minor version like 2.3).
HTC flagship devices ussualy have updates (like Desire for example) so it's logically that we will have next update (gingerbread) but after realese of the new Android we need to wait at least 2-3 months for HTC engineers to make it with Sensu UI for our HDH
AFAIK Gingerbread is due Q410 or Q111, and hardware specs at that point aren't going to be drastically different - maybe see some dual-core chips from Qualcomm - but I can't see Gingerbread requiring that somehow.
It may be that we need to overclock our Desire HDs to get the most out of it, but I'm sure some clever bods will be able to port it across. The joys of open source software!
Yeah of course the DHD will support Gingerbread. Im looking forward to it mostly because of the rumored GPU acceleration in the UI. This will give our phones iPhone-like smoothness in scrolling, zooming etc. To be honest i cant believe Google hasnt implemented this yet.
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HTC flagship devices ussualy have updates (like Desire for example) so it's logically that we will have next update (gingerbread) but after realese of the new Android we need to wait at least 2-3 months for HTC engineers to make it with Sensu UI for our HDH
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This is so wrong...
I rephrase that, "some HTC flagship devices usually have updates"
And from my experience I always miss those flagship devices...
From my experience, I got an Qtek (old HTC) S200 and a HTC Touch HD. Both were flagships at the time of release and never got big updates, like an important rom version change or a new manila version, only smaller and insignificant rom versions with small fixes.
Now HTC is improving but no matching to Apple for example.
Apple is releasing all the time small fixes and also adding some features and every year a big new version. This is what HTC should have been doing also
If it isn't officially released you can always hack new ROMs onto it
onesolo said:
This is so wrong...
I rephrase that, "some HTC flagship devices usually have updates"
And from my experience I always miss those flagship devices...
From my experience, I got an Qtek (old HTC) S200 and a HTC Touch HD. Both were flagships at the time of release and never got big updates, like an important rom version change or a new manila version, only smaller and insignificant rom versions with small fixes.
Now HTC is improving but no matching to Apple for example.
Apple is releasing all the time small fixes and also adding some features and every year a big new version. This is what HTC should have been doing also
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1. Yes, i agree, with my HD2 was the same story, but its all about WM models
2. Apple has only 1 phone = iPhone...Android has at least 6 diferent brands with at least 5-6 newer models...what gives at least 30 diferent mobiles. Well, thats sometimes too much work...and they just give up from some models :\
I bet that HTC won't bring Android 3 to the Desire HD.
Instead they prefer to upset all users.
A pity. They are still interested in selling hardware and now that it's the software that is pushing people we don't have any official update.
Same with the HD2 and the WP7.
I wouldn't be surprised if some clever person manages to hack WP7 onto the HD2. It makes sense given that I expect HTC designed the HD2 with WP7 in mind (before it got delayed so many times).
In fact, I can imagine people hacking WP7 onto the DesireHD given half the chance.
At the end of the day, the hardware is pretty much the same. There are some clever people out there.
I mean, my TP2 can run Android, WM6.5 and Ubuntu.
Heck, even the iPhone can run Android (kinda).
It will support it but i doubt it will get it for a couple of months after release because of HTC
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HTC flagship devices ussualy have updates (like Desire for example) so it's logically that we will have next update (gingerbread) but after realese of the new Android we need to wait at least 2-3 months for HTC engineers to make it with Sensu UI for our HDH
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I thought Android 3 was no longer going to allow custom skins to be baked in. That they would have to be widgets. Am I mistaken?
uhmump95 said:
I thought Android 3 was no longer going to allow custom skins to be baked in. That they would have to be widgets. Am I mistaken?
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Thats Windows Mobile 7 At first though the rumors said they would not be allowed thing like Htc Sense but i think now they are things like HTC sense will not be encouraged or needed
Windows Phone 7 was originally not getting HTC Sense, but it is now. There were recent posts and videos on Engadget about it.
WP7 isn't getting sense, but it is getting "HTC Hub" which is an app that has a lot of sense-like functionality, but doesn't extend outside the confines of the Hub.
Windows Phone 7 is designed to be entirely Windows Phone 7 - it doesn't allow things to interact with it like sense (yet)
I agree that historically HTC has sold hardware .... but they too realise now that its the overall experience and are bringing extra services like HTCSense.com and their business model must be to eventually become like Apple's and gain other revenue streams too.
This means that they will want to engender brand loyalty and hence give updates and continuity to owners.
We all must be realistic here...HTC started with nothing 1997 and Apple was a gigant brand 90' and it is now.
Let gives some time for HTC and Android...about 2-3 years...than it will be very interesting competition...today already is, but than HTC will have a lot more money and be more compatitive to Apple (like a brand).