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Hello people
IMO Blackstone is the best device ever and right now the best device on market I have held it and played a bit with friend's device and it rulez. Far better than iPhone (I have iPod Touch and I know what it is all about OMG - although as a MP3 Player it is the best around). And I really want to buy one.
But it is little expensive in my country so here is the question.
Remember what apple did? Lot of people bought iPhone and right after that new iPhone was released.
I am really afraid that if I will buy Blackstone (I want to buy it in february) and there will be something better right after that or maybe there will be newer WM systems on these devices or etc.
Are there chances that this can happen? That eg I will buy Blackstone with WM 6.1 and really shortly there will be new blackstone with WM 6.5 or something else making it even better?
What do you think??
Thank you.
I don't think WM 6.5 is coming anytime soon. Perhaps at the end of the year.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/21/first-windows-mobile-6-5-devices-due-in-third-quarter-of-09/
If you can wait, I'd say wait a month. Microsoft will give more details at the Mobile World Congress next month.
Sopis said:
Hello people
Remember what apple did? Lot of people bought iPhone and right after that new iPhone was released.
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That's Apple for you though, the only company to not given a flying **** about the customer.
They limit you in every single way possible to use a dumb downed device that is only for dumb people.
Go for the HD, you will love it.
I think three to four months from now there might be other devices that you might want to test drive then, like the Palm Pre, the next iPhone, Touch HD-variants with better graphics processing. Some will be presented indeed at the next Mobile World Congress, but then again, it will take time for these new devices to reach your market.
Upgrading your HD operating system to 6.5 should be no problem, I would not worry about that. At some point you will have to make your hardware decision, and always face the risk that three months later there will be a device even more desireable. I think none of us need a HD to survive, but its nice to have.
In my view for the next three months there will be no device better than the HD commercially available.
I guess in the next three months we may have announcements (official) from HTC on new devices for 2009. But, these will not be in the shops until June/July.
I would say "go for it" now. There is always a possibility that another killer device will be appearing so if you wait for new ones now why not wait again in summer for the Windows 6.7 (!!) devices ...
We're in a post-Christmas, credit-crunched lull at the moment. Much better "next gen" devices based around better processors etc are just around the corner - I'd steer very clear of the HD, it's a dead end.
Thanks guys
I guess I will buy it. If you say there will be no problems updating to newer OS and other stuff.
Yep, I don't dislike iPhone, but Iphone is not what I want.
Blackstone, w8 for me, I am coming
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Thanks guys
I guess I will buy it. If you say there will be no problems updating to newer OS and other stuff.
Yep, I don't dislike iPhone, but Iphone is not what I want.
Blackstone, w8 for me, I am coming
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Just a warning: there is no guarantee that a ROM upgrade will be made available. HTC have not promised this.
All you can say now is that the HD may be flashed with a new ROM. The supply of that ROM depends on HTC and the excellent enthusiasts here in XDA (there are lots of alternate ROMs available already for the HD).
I personally use a standard ROM and I'm happy with it.
3GSM
Maybe, we could just wait the 3GSM in Barcelona in mid February to know more about next WinMo releases. Even if MS release it on Feb, the first devices will not appear before this summer, (if it's the same way as for WM6.1).
HTC will maybe provide us with a new ROM as for some of WM6.0 devices (the elf update was only available for a short period). And if they don't, I'm sure the ROM cookers from the Blackstone ROM forum will do
My main concern about the HD is battery life,I had the Diamond and it was so bad I bought a Nokia for the first time in my life,nice machines that last 4 hours on a single charge are not mobiles.
zaki67 said:
My main concern about the HD is battery life,I had the Diamond and it was so bad I bought a Nokia for the first time in my life,nice machines that last 4 hours on a single charge are not mobiles.
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I am happy with the HD battery. It easily lasts a day of FULL use (BT for calls, GPS infrequent use and 1 hour of podcast listening).
But, I have no need for long-play videos. I suspect this is a weak spot for the battery.
Hi,
I have recently received an enquiry about a post I made saying that I contacted HTC about a month ago asking if WinMo 7 will be made available for the HD2, and if it will be a free download. I have found their response so have decided to post it on here:-
"Dear Toby
Thank you for your enquiry about HD2
What we do it ROM Upgrades from our website, however 6.5 windows mobile has only been out 2 months and windows mobile 7 hasn't even been developed. This wont be out until next november at the earliest. But when it is available it will be a free download.
If these steps have not helped, please let me know by responding using the link provided and I will be happy to check again for you.
Best regards,
Terry Snelling
HTC customer support team
HTC Corp. Global Service Division
http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx"
When asked to comment on the sayings of a HTC developer who said that WM7 will be available for the HD2 on Twitter, HTC responded "No, disregard that". Should have said "when and if" instead of "when".
So yeah. We're not exactly too sure about what the branches are up to.
It's not like this matters anyway, you'll probably have your share of WM7 roms here in xda.
Yunabeco said:
It's not like this matters anyway, you'll probably have your share of WM7 roms here in xda.
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I wouldn't bet on that. Developing a ROM based on an entirely new CE kernel is a totally different proposition to going to a different version of WM6.x - where are the hardware drivers going to come from?
I doubt it will be a new rom for us. First, its seems its being pushed to q1 2011, second, new phones with dual core processors will come out and it will hurt sales if they offer an upgrade to 7. They need to sell the new phones.
Its just business guys, its not like HTC cares so much about the current hd2 owners. They are in the money making business.
To be fair, lorin.bute is on the money here - I'll probably only have this phone a year at most and there'll be bigger & better around by the time WM7 is out.
That said, if they do release wm7 for hd2, it will a nice thing for them to do
I have doubt there will be any official WM7 release for HD2, just as there is no official WM6.5 for HD.
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I wouldn't bet on that. Developing a ROM based on an entirely new CE kernel is a totally different proposition to going to a different version of WM6.x - where are the hardware drivers going to come from?
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Many devices originally running WM5 have 'unofficial' WM6(.5.x) Roms available.
Drivers can be created or taken from devices using the same hardware.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if WM7 turns out to be able to use 6.x hardware drivers.
If the HD2 continues to be a well sold device, and -not unimportant- the first device that meets the WM7 HW Specs, it could be a logical choice for HTC to come up with an upgrade.
And offcourse it also depends on when WM7 will be available. If it comes out in April, the HD2 may still be HTC's 'flagship'. If it comes out in november, chances are the HD2 is not that fast, big and high tech anymore..
@tomasz
Going from WM6 to WM7 is something completely different than going from WM5 to WM6. WM5 and WM6 share the same kernel (kinda), so it's easy to update, as all the drivers still work. Drivers made for WM6 will not work on WM7.
But HD2 is testing WM7 on the HD2 and it only takes someone to leak a ROM and we'll have all the necessary software to port WM7 to the HD2. So even if HTC doesn't release an official update, I'm pretty sure that we'll get it.
But we definitely can't develop the necessary software ourselves and it's not like the updates from WM5 to WM6, that's where Shasarak is right. All we can do now is wait and see what happens.
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Many devices originally running WM5 have 'unofficial' WM6(.5.x) Roms available.
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Yes, but Windows Mobile 5.0, 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 are all based on Windows CE version 5-point-something. (You forget how little development has been going on with Windows Mobile for the past several years - very little has actually changed between 5.0 and 6.5). Going to WM7 we go to a Windows CE version 6 kernel, which is completely different.
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Drivers can be created or taken from devices using the same hardware.
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What devices are there which have identical hardware to the HD2 and are running WM7? I take the point that there probably will be devices out there with similar hardware running WM7 at some point; but look at the issues people are currently having porting graphics drivers from the Toshiba TG01 to the HD2 (and they really do have virtually identical hardware) - it mostly works, but it's not perfect. And every device onboard needs a driver - not just the main chipset, but things like the camera too. What are the chances a WM7 phone will have an identical camera to the HD2? And where are we going to get a WM7-compatible radio ROM from?
tomasz said:
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if WM7 turns out to be able to use 6.x hardware drivers.
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It's already been announced that it won't.
tomasz said:
If the HD2 continues to be a well sold device, and -not unimportant- the first device that meets the WM7 HW Specs, it could be a logical choice for HTC to come up with an upgrade.
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It would be a totally illogical choice for an upgrade, because WM7 isn't due out until Q4 this year - likely late Q4 according to some rumours. That means the HD2's successor will probably launch as HTC's first (flagship) WM7 phone. At that point, if HTC issues a WM7 upgrade for the HD2 they will be seriously cannibalising HD3 sales; from HTC's perspective, they want anyone who wishes to upgrade to WM7 to buy a new phone to do it. There was no official WM6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD for the same reason.
freyberry said:
But HD2 is testing WM7 on the HD2 and it only takes someone to leak a ROM and we'll have all the necessary software to port WM7 to the HD2. So even if HTC doesn't release an official update, I'm pretty sure that we'll get it.
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If HTC are testing WM7 on actual HD2 hardware, then there may indeed be a helpful leak at some point. Do you have a source for that claim, or are you just being optimistic?
by 2011, i think i can upgrade my phone again since it reaching the end of my contract....
Shasarak said:
It would be a totally illogical choice for an upgrade, because WM7 isn't due out until Q4 this year - likely late Q4 according to some rumours. That means the HD2's successor will probably launch as HTC's first (flagship) WM7 phone. At that point, if HTC issues a WM7 upgrade for the HD2 they will be seriously cannibalising HD3 sales; from HTC's perspective, they want anyone who wishes to upgrade to WM7 to buy a new phone to do it. There was no official WM6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD for the same reason.
If HTC are testing WM7 on actual HD2 hardware, then there may indeed be a helpful leak at some point. Do you have a source for that claim, or are you just being optimistic?
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OK, some additions to your points.
I really don't think that a WM7 upgrade would hurt HD3 sales. Would Apple still sell the iPhone 3G if it did hurt 3GS sales? Probably not. If someone wants an HD3, he'll buy an HD3. If someone doesn't want to spend that much, he'll buy a cheaper device, which could then be the HD2 (because it saves HTC some costs of developing new mid-range phones if they continue to sell the last gen devices, just like Apple does). The reason for not providing a WM6.5 upgrade to the Touch HD is that they have to draw a line somewhere. Testing and adjusting new WM versions causes additional costs and they have to decide if it pays (because they give out the upgrade for free, so the "only" thing they get in return is satisfaction of their customers). Yes, I do think that they should have provided WM6.5 for the Touch HD, but apparently they decided that it would not pay. Apple only has to support two last-gen devices, it would be much too expensive for HTC to develop upgrades for all their devices, so they have to choose which ones to support.
About HTC testing WM7 on the HD2: I know that the necessary software exists, but I can't tell you any more than that (and I don't know more than that). Of course I can not guarantee that there will be a leak, I'm just being optimistic about this. Only time will tell if there will be an official upgrade or a leak that we can use, but yes, I am optimistic
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HTC customer support team
HTC Corp. Global Service Division
http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx"
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I wouldn't bet a penny on that statement.
All I've read so far about HTC customer support responses (HD2: ROM upgrades, warranty, release datesm..) were vague. One not knowing what the other one said, contradictious statements, etc.
Unless that "confirmation" is not from a "higher positioned" employee, it's not more promising than the russian tweet about the Upgrade.
Maybe I'm a skeptic, but the only thing I believe from that statement is that WM7 is scheduled for release in November. I wouldn't be surpsied if like most CS reps he was a bit confused and didn't realize that MS/HTC is probably going to push out 6.5.3 to the HD.
More than likely 6.5.3 will be released as a free download
WM7 will start appearing in Nov (on new devices though)
And since I've never seen HTC develop 2 OS updates for a device, I don't see it happening now, unless times are changing and that WM7 license is free or something.
Personally I do believe we will get an update from HTC for the HD2 but I dont think it will be when WM7 launches or anytime soon after that. I hope I am wrong but if WM7 is as good as we hope and erases the ghosts of previous WinMo iterations then we will see an influx of new Handsets from most of the manufacturers. Leaving little time for the HD2...until the dust settles that it is...
Just my opinion mind you, I am thoroughly expecting to be wrong on this...
I'd say Windows 7 is being tested on the HD2 right now.
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/microsoft-implies-windows-mobile-7-headed-to-htc-hd2
freyberry said:
OK, some additions to your points.
I really don't think that a WM7 upgrade would hurt HD3 sales. Would Apple still sell the iPhone 3G if it did hurt 3GS sales? Probably not.
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The critical difference there is that the iPhone 3G is still an active product: Apple is still making and selling them. (Though you'll note that they discontinued the 16GB version of the 3G as soon as the 3GS launched for precisely that reason - so as to avoid hurting 3GS sales by competing with it).
HTC doesn't operate like that. They have well-defined market sectors, and when a new device comes out in any one sector, the old one is retired and production ceases. Consider, for example, the Touch Diamond, Touch Pro and Touch HD - once the TD2, TP2 and HD2 came out, each of those replaced the earlier model, and the earlier version immediately ceased production. They didn't keep the old Touch HD going as a cheap version of the HD2; that role is fulfilled by the TD2.
Very few manufacturers offer any sort of ongoing development for phone models which aren't being made any more, and HTC is no exception: once the HD2 is no longer being made and sold, we won't see any more major updates for it. For so long as it remains in production, we may.
So the question is simply whether WM7 will become available before or after the HD2 ceases production. If it comes out several months before, there's a good chance of a port (because not offering it would hurt HD2 sales in the mean time). If it comes out after the HD2 isn't being sold any more, there is no chance. And all the precedents suggest that they will stop making HD2's as soon as a replacement model comes out, and that the replacement will likely appear about a year after the model it replaces - which is round about the time WM7 is expected to launch.
Even if you ignore HTC's history of model replacement, it's still very unlikely that the HD2 will remain in production after a new flagship model is released. The iPhone 3G and 3GS can coexist because there's such a large gap between the two in hardware terms (in the same way as there is between the HD2 and the TD2). But it's doubtful that the HD3 hardware will actually be that far ahead of the HD2. (Look how long HTC stuck with MSM72XX chipsets before moving to Snapdragon; it'll likely be a while before they move on from Snapdragon to anything faster). The fact that the HD3 has WM7 will quite likely be the primary thing that differentiates it from the HD2; giving existing HD2 owners access to WM7 would eliminate all motivation for upgrading. There's no way HTC will do that.
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Well, HTC can motivate consumers to buy new devices end of 2010 in 2 ways - by not upgrading existing to WM7 and offering it only with the new devices, or by offering new devices with much faster hardware, which will be an incentive on its own. I am not sure which option HTC will choose though ... having in mind how the competition will upgrade the hardware soon (Apple, Motorola) I think HTC will be forced to do the same as well (and for good)
What I am sure about is that currently MS is testing WM7 on HD2. I hope that at least this version leaks out inofficially
Windows 7 mobile is already in leak..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/17/early-windows-mobile-7-build-given-some-hands-on-time-incompati/
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I'd say Windows 7 is being tested on the HD2 right now.
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Well, WM6.5 has been tested also on Xperia X1 and finally there didn't come any update. I think that it is normal that the developers test it on phones that are able to work with the new OS, but it doesn't mean that HD2 will definetly get an official update - though I pray for it...
imperiallight said:
Windows 7 mobile is already in leak..
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/17/early-windows-mobile-7-build-given-some-hands-on-time-incompati/
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http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/01/17/windows-mobile-7-rumors-getting-out-of-hand/
Certainly not the most reputable source... I would say... also doesn't seem to be a very educated one either.
Do you think prices for the phone will start falling? The phone is essentially a dead end unless the wizards of xda cook something up.
I cannot stand this blabbering about "HD2 as a dead phone". There is NO WP7S to come within the next at least 6 months... AND WP6.5.x seems to go on. HD2 is still THE phone that you have to buy today if you want by far the best Win-Phone. The prices won't suffer some kind of inflation too soon... It hasn't been launched in the US at all and it stays the HTC-flagship until HD3 will be launched in the end of this year.
Well the price for the phone through mobile service providers is already low... I got mine for 79€ and another 24 months commitment.
I don't really see why they'd bring the price down any lower... They never claimed it would be upgradable to WP7 so why should they feel obliged to lower the price?
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.
US phones
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
Price will come down anyways. It will take some times but you can get them with some carriers for cheaper as other posters have mentioned.
I don't see any relationship between the price and actually the phone not being upgradable to WP7.
It is still too early to see anything.
IF there is a "WP7-related" price fall at some point, it won't be before WP7 devices are actually selling. You've got time ahead.
Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?
it is a dead end NOW, cause developers are ALREADY abandoning wm6.5.x
like adobe, skype and a lot more.
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Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?
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good point
I cant wait to flash Android on my phone.
Windows will never make it, people aren't writing that much for it any more.
RIP
moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
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why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.
appoggio said:
why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.
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then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft
Microsoft confirms lack of backward compatibility in Windows Phone 7
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13936
This obviously killed WinMO 6.5 and below.
moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
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I guess you need to buy an iphone if you want software upgrades to newer OS versions. But then again......who knows whether Apple will continue this. After all they always used to shaft ipod users: As soon as a new model was out NO more updates for the previous one!
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then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft
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chefs are here... HD2 got the power to run WP7... so where is the problem?
I bet my a$$ that we'll have cooked ROM with WP7 on our HD2...
HD2 RULZ
yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.
NeoGreendawg said:
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.
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Totally agree. HD2 meets my current and future needs right now until my upgrade next year, only then will i consider what is on the market.
The world is ending??!!
My God! Run! Everyone for themselves!
it is not 100% confirmed now that hd2 will not get update ,they are keeping this suspebnded to never lower any device price
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yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.
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Is there an official statement of any of that from MS themselves? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon and spouting "what I 'eard of't internet"
Anyone know why HTC have not released an official rom with this update, or even if they ever will release it? Cheers.
CONTACTMC said:
Anyone know why HTC have not released an official rom with this update, or even if they ever will release it? Cheers.
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Several reasons.
1. It would cost them money.
2. Not developing it encourages people to buy new phone models with 6.5.3, or WP7 which makes HTC more money.
Witch is also the reason why we'll not have wm7.
I understand them not giving us wm7 (SORT OF), but 6.5.3 is just an update to what we already have, I thought it was standard to get these updates with windows phones, like auto updates on the pc. If this is how they carry on then this will be my first and last htc / windows phone. (Yes i could just flash an unofficial rom, but I have this phone on an 18 month contract so cant afford to kill the warrenty) Its like MS creating a sevice pack but not releasing it officially. So which new phones come with 6.5.3? I cant think of any.
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I understand them not giving us wm7 (SORT OF), but 6.5.3 is just an update to what we already have, I thought it was standard to get these updates with windows phones, like auto updates on the pc. If this is how they carry on then this will be my first and last htc / windows phone. (Yes i could just flash an unofficial rom, but I have this phone on an 18 month contract so cant afford to kill the warrenty) Its like MS creating a sevice pack but not releasing it officially. So which new phones come with 6.5.3? I cant think of any.
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Actually 6.5.3 or 6.5.x is way more than an update, they changed several things , so it really does not qualify as an update , more like a new sub-version ...
HTC have never been good with providing updates.
Given they have about 10 phones/year in a single category, they have no care for users of 'obsolete' (in their eyes) phones
And what's this talke of witches?
"us" get it in the backside!
htc, may be bad with updates. however us in the US have only gotten one update. it is like every other week i see an update or hotfix for every other country! we are so lucky to have a great place like this to get our phones even close to as updated as the rest of the world!
THANK YOU XDA and all of the great and generous developers that make it this great!
xaccers said:
Several reasons.
1. It would cost them money.
2. Not developing it encourages people to buy new phone models with 6.5.3, or WP7 which makes HTC more money.
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Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.
laserviking said:
Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.
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If you are such an iphone fanboy and don't like HTC why are you even posting in an forum devoted to an HTC phone????
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Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.
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Please,.,. dont
this is a forum for the HTC HD2.
If you love the Iphone, thats good and everyone here will respect that.
Just Dont say, this one is better than that one, or even the Brand HTC.
But really,.,. dont try to be an apple fanboy on a HTC minded forum.
You could offend people, and i am sure thats not your intention
How hard is it for HTC to sort out a new rom with the latest 6.5x, cooks on here do it no trouble, and like peeps are gonna go out n get a new handset just for what is really just an update to what they already have, like I said, windows phone 7 is a brand new o.s, and I understand not getting that for free, but the 6.5x are just updates making it how it should have been in the first place. I would have though HTC would want to look after there existing customers, not make em feel like there brand new phones are outdated a week after they have got them. Like a HD2 owner is gonna go out and buy a brand new phone with 6.5x on it with 7 around the corner, so why not hook the peeps with 6.5 up, thus ensuring customer loyalty?
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Witch is also the reason why we'll not have wm7.
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Nah, they won't give us WP7 because they love us too much to give us such a horrible looking OS.
speakerphone said:
HTC have never been good with providing updates.
Given they have about 10 phones/year in a single category, they have no care for users of 'obsolete' (in their eyes) phones
And what's this talke of witches?
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ironic...?
by the way, what does 6.5.x have to offer over 6.5?, i honestly dont know....
laserviking said:
Or just buy an iPhone next time which receives regular updates and never touch HTC again. Ever.
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Have an iPhone 3G and it is JBd and unlocked. Refuse to keep updating it via iTunes. Apple has a good piece of Hardware, a lot of good apps, but they refuse to allow people who bought their phone and now own their phone to customize it. That is pure 'Dicktatorship.' LOL
Freedom of choice and optimization/customization is what makes us the USA!
So, iPhone or HTC, AT&T or T-Mobile is a choice you have. Apparently your choice is?
Thanks for your Opinion.
is HTC quietly standing by?
supporting?
or trying to prevent the further development?
because from the company's point of view we are cutting into their cash by preventing people from buying a new model of android phone.
i ve seen what happened to alot of gadgets that got hacked and then company usually releases an update that prevents further hacking and prevents from downgrading.
seagate HT+, apple newest iphone firmware, archos502 etc.
what are che cances of HTC working on a lock out for the HD2 specifically?
the only development we have here for HD2 and android...
In your post you fail to state what development you are talking about.
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I think he is talking about porting android to the HD2. I dont think they would care seeing as how many people, myself included bought an HD2 because of android development going on. If this didn't happen I would think they would have sold less phones.
Theoretically they shouldn't care since at the end of the day we bought their product irregardless to what OS was on there. If anything, I would think Microsoft would get pretty upset and take action if we continued on the path to porting WP7 on the HD2.
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I think he is talking about porting android to the HD2. I dont think they would care seeing as how many people, myself included bought an HD2 because of android development going on. If this didn't happen I would think they would have sold less phones.
Theoretically they shouldn't care since at the end of the day we bought their product irregardless to what OS was on there. If anything, I would think Microsoft would get pretty upset and take action if we continued on the path to porting WP7 on the HD2.
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not if you buy from their market place
at the end of the day. microsoft is just like google. a software company. they want their software on as much phones as possible. if you happen to be an hd2 user who is running windows 7 and buying stuff from their market place, then awesome to them.
htc is the one who would be pissed. because you didnt change ur HD2 and buy a new phone windows 7. they lost 1 customer " figure of speach "
i dont see them happy that android is working on hd2 . they lost desire hd sales.
you know where i am going with this. for hardware companies, this is bad.
for software companies like microsodt and google ? the more the better.
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not if you buy from their market place
at the end of the day. microsoft is just like google. a software company. they want their software on as much phones as possible. if you happen to be an hd2 user who is running windows 7 and buying stuff from their market place, then awesome to them.
htc is the one who would be pissed. because you didnt change ur HD2 and buy a new phone windows 7. they lost 1 customer " figure of speach "
i dont see them happy that android is working on hd2 . they lost desire hd sales.
you know where i am going with this. for hardware companies, this is bad.
for software companies like microsodt and google ? the more the better.
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True but not completely true!
HTC is definitely loosing by not selling new phones but winning by selling more HD2s!!! (as i've read many bought HD2 just for porting android!! Really weird but it's true!!)
Both Google(android) and Microsoft(WP7) are winning and loosing at the same time!!!!
How is that you might ask?!
You are using their product, you are making propaganda, you are paying for apps from marketplace... It's all good!
However you are not purchasing their OS! As you know part of the price of a phone goes to the OS company! So practically it's true that you have ported their OS but you didn't actually buy it!
There are actually two sides to this story: Yes, making Android possible on a HD2 will indeed keep people using their HD2 in stead of buying a new android phone so from a short term point of view on might say that this has a negative effect on sales.
On the other hand, phone sales is mainly driven by "sponsored sales" by phone operators. A lot of phones get replaced after the initial contract periods regardless whether it is still usable. Only a relative small group of people actually use custom roms/android installs, but they spread a lot of good publicity about HTC and its possibilities. HTC is the fastest growing company at the moment, showing 139% growth in Q2 this year compared to Q2 last year. Still, Samsung is holding 20% of the market and HTC less than 2%, so enough room for expansion.
To cut a long story short: I don't think they mind too much, they probably watch this forum closely, pick up ideas for development and just let XDA do the marketing for their brilliant smartphones.
i agree with the post above me.. i don't think HTC cares much about the android port.. besides, i think they owe it to us.. coz like M$, they said that there will be a free wp7 upgrade for our phones.. so, since there's no wp7 upgrade for our phone, they should give us android instead... and they can't do anything about the android port anyways, as android is an open source program.. but if HTC was apple though, things would be different.. a lot different..
Ive got a few mates who bought or are planning to buy a hd2 simply because it allows the dualboot.
I dont think HTC should be complaining as XDA has made their devices much more interesting then most others.
I even think that without XDA or any chefs HTC would see their sells go down fast
I think that quietly they helped us to run android on hd2.They give the kernel sources of desire and other android phones,so the developers of porting android to hd2 can take some code from there and port it to hd2
Also they give us the new 3.14 rom with radio 2.15.50 who gives us the ability to run android without the need of hspl and losing the warranty.
clio94 said:
They give the kernel sources of desire and other android phones,so the developers of porting android to hd2 can take some code from there and port it to hd2
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That is not because HTC is somehow beneficial, they have to release the kernel sources or else their license to distribute their modified kernel (by selling phones in this case) is void.
True, they may be losing some sales because of android port on HD2. Many people with HD2 may have had shifted to Android phones including myself...but since Android is running on HD2 and its running fine...I've decided to postpone an upgrade...
But I think HTC has gained from XDA then it lost...if it weren't for XDA, HTC wouldn't have been the company we all know it...things are different now because HTC has now become popular but initially in WM days people bought HTC phones because of great XDA support otherwise it may just ended up like an ordinary Taiwanese manufacturer like ASUS, etc in phone market...
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Ive got a few mates who bought or are planning to buy a hd2 simply because it allows the dualboot.
I dont think HTC should be complaining as XDA has made their devices much more interesting then most others.
I even think that without XDA or any chefs HTC would see their sells go down fast
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That's the exact reason I bought the HD2. I was going to get an iPhone otherwise. HD2 > iPhone in every aspect except for Android (which was my deciding deal, I found out you could dual boot)
While I agree with a lot of the aspects of both winning and losing, in the end, HTC wins. Some of you say that they are losing be side of an upgrade, if you think about it, they still win. Why?
Let's say the HD2 costs $200(not sure...) if people were to buy 2 or 3 times as many HD2 devices, that beats an silly update which costs only $200?...They look at it in a BUSINESS perspective. And the numbers prove the best move.
In addition to, Google is much happier, that there OS is going to more devices. The small OS fee for factory devices hurts none. In the end, more people by from the Market. Even if it does hurt them, the publicity is well worth it, and will prove them good in the end. Besides, XDA has helped HTC, so I would be disappointed to see HTC block what XDA's main source comes from..... Everyone is happy, unless Microsoft were to complain, but even then, HTC could easily support Android instead, which I believe they will do eventually.
And in another addition to, I'm sure many people have multiple HD2 one Android, one Windows Mobile, or even both Android. You can't beat that.... HD2 is quite distinct. They may even support the movement, and design a newer HD2 that will be (secretly) compatible with both OS, as the devices we are using now work very well with both.
I think it has done more good than bad, so what's there to concern HTC.
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HTC aren't Apple - they aren't megalomaniacs. From their perspective, all this hacking and modding is just free marketing, brand awareness and of course brand loyalty, as a result of HTC devices being known to be flexible, you are more likely to pick up another HTC than say, Samsung.
I'll go one further and say i reckon that there is a chef on here or maybe more than one who are employed by HTC but obviously this isn't public knowledge and they could lose their jobs if found out,it's well possible.
If HTC were really that bothered being a global company they could have instigated some type of legal action against this website allowing people to hack their product, im not sure exactly what but realistically they could prevent this from happening if they were really bothered.
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HTC aren't Apple - they aren't megalomaniacs. From their perspective, all this hacking and modding is just free marketing, brand awareness and of course brand loyalty, as a result of HTC devices being known to be flexible, you are more likely to pick up another HTC than say, Samsung.
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yes id agree with this.
only HTC
When I was first looking at widows phones and I saw XDA and the work being done I was sold I started with the T-mo MVA then the S620 (t-mo Dash)-the TyTN- which i replaced with a tp2 which i Just sold. I still have my HD and HD2 for dual boot but I'm at the crossroad should I just get android like the MyTouch 4g or the desire HD??? Point is only because of the amazing and innovative work here at XDA did I try out and stay with windows other wise I would have ended up with 'shudder" the Icrap or crackberry...
My guess is that for corporate reasons they have to advise against it and can not support the work openly but I'm sure that they enjoy and are happy to have the free publicity and the building of brand loyalty as well as the development work and seeing how HTC Sense can be developed and customized by people like Cookie and Max for them for free, is an added bonus.
As for phone sales lets be honest despite 3 or even 2 year contracts the average reliability of most phones is about 18-24 months sometimes less and the handset makers know that and base there future sales on that not on the rarer cases of people who were going to buy a new phone after 9-12 months but kept it because of duel boot.
Personally, I think it is a win, win situation for HTC and Google for this device to have the dual boot ability. I am on AT&T, have an unlocked HD2 that runs Windows Mobile as well as 4 different builds of Android. I don't think you can get much more versatile than that. Personally, I am not worried about, nor in any hurry for NAND boot capabilities for Android on the HD2, that would just cause a new set of headaches in the early stages. Not to say that I won't give it a shot after it has been publicly released for quite a while, but as I stated above, I am in no hurry at all.
I traded one of my HTC Touch Pro 2's for this carrier unlocked T-Mo HD2 a couple of months ago and it had nothing but problems as it still had the stock ROM on it. I did the Hard SPL, flashed it with a custom ROM and the rest is history. This thing is a tremendous device, even if I do not get 3G speeds on the AT&T network. There is no 3G service in my area anyway so I don't think I am missing out on much at all.
XDA Devs - Don't stop what you are doing as far as Android on HD2 development. HTC could learn a few things from you folks!
HTC - Keep up the great work and keep on releasing these great devices!
GooG - Same thing, keep those fresh Androind builds coming!
AT&T - Get a clue as to what your customers want and quit bottling Steve Jobs crack sweat (iPhone) and shoving it under your customers noses! And if you are going to claim the biggest 3G network, actually create and maintain that network to make the statement true!
My .02 ..... HTR
The only reason I got an HD2 is for the Android experience and the potential to run WP7 on it. Win Mo 6.5 sucks (in my opinion) but I am still rocking an HD2 because of what it can do, and because the hardware is awesome.
I think HTC as a company would be happy that enough people like their hardware that they are willing to buy the HD2 just to run a (less than stable) version of Android off an SD card. Tthe HD2 hardware is amazing, and HTC is more in the hardware business than anything.
Think of it this way, its like buying a Dell computer with Windows 7 and installing Ubuntu on it. Does Dell care? Nope, they sold the hardware so they're happy.
I dont think that they lose as much business as one might think.
I was at my local T-Mobile store yesterday morning to pick up the MyTouch 4G...I love HTC devices because of what devs here at XDA do for them and have owned quite a few (MDA, Dash, Wing, TP2, G1, MT3G, Nexus One, HD2...and now MyTouch 4G) I still show all of my phones affection and still cruise the different sub forums here and keep my phones updated on the newest builds, but HTC hasn't (and never will) lose me as a customer.
Sure, there are some people who will buy phones from places like craigslist or ebay, and HTC does not see any monitary profit from transactions like this...but I am sure that they win a future customer when that same person walks into their carriers store with an upgrade available and sees a new HTC device...Especially those who find their way to forums such as XDA. No device will last forever and will need to be upgraded eventually...and I feel that HTC has built a great name for itself.