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Make WM5 to automatically close applications, just like a Palm device

I always have problems with WM5 memory management, which led me to experiment more on some free apps out there. This is a personal trick I just recently learned from all the AKU 3 versions that are coming out that I have been trying out and would like to share with everyone.
I will attach OXIOS Memory CAB file below my post, you need both Oxios Hibernate and Oxios Close Apps for this trick to work.
This is the theory for the increase of memory: basically what I wanted to happen is to only have 1 application running in the background no matter what. Thus, opening another app automatically closes the other app, even just pressing the OK button. Just like what a Palm device does with regards to application handling.
One draw back though, you are eliminating the ability of the WM5 device to run multiple applications at the same time.
OK enough of the explanations, here is what you have to do:
1st: Download the copy of OXIOS apps I provided.
2nd: Run the CAB file to install.
3rd: Go to Windows>Start Menu>Programs>Accessories.
4th: Copy the shortcuts for both Oxios Close Apps and Oxios Hibernate.
5th: Go to Windows>Start Up.
6th: Paste both Oxios Close Apps and Oxios Hibernate.
7th: Perform a soft reset.
Basically this would make WM5 behave like a palm device. You can now only open one application at one time, thus ensuring you have enough memory for your current application to run.
You don't even need to close any app anymore manually, since it is done automatically for you now.
There are some exceptions to this however and they are:
1: Contacts Application
2: MMS Application
3: Calendar Application
4: Phone Application
These 4 apps can be opened all at the same time without closing automatically, a good thing because you want them to work together when sending messages or files. Plus, you also want the phone ON at all times.
Good luck and let me know if you prefer this solution or suggestion.

hmmm...
I don't like the idea of not being in control of my device...
I've been happy doing it manually with Magic Button, and since yesterday, Wisbar Advance 2.
I think the extra tap is worth it!

that's great, maybe it's good for me, thanks for your cab file.

i tried these apps before, but not in this fashion. it never really fully recovered all the memory that it was trying to recover.
is there still a gradual memory leak, or does this manage to retain the full amount of memory after each closure.
i start with 29 - 30mb, it drops to about 18mb, so I reset it. does this stop the memory drop and reduction and totally reclaim the memory on closure of every app?

simon_darley said:
does this stop the memory drop and reduction and totally reclaim the memory on closure of every app?
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No, unfortunately, but based on using them on the latest AKU 3 ROMs, Oxios apps are getting better in recovering the lost memory.

thanks! will think about installing this. currently, im just using memmaid's reclaim ram plug in. Im not sure if it's just placebo but it works somehow..

memory leakage

Dear All,
i'm using wm5, i noticed there is a memory leakage , i'm using batery status , every program i open memory decreases then when i close the program using resco task manager , the memory used by the program is not released.
is there any way to avoid this ???

Try using Oxios Memory to recover leaked memory.

I did but still not all the memory recovered , as example as i restart i have 21 MB free after using the device for 6-8 hours , i find the memory 17-18 MB , and i'm sure that all the programs are properly closed.

If you opened a lot of applications in those 6 to 8 hours then that is normal.
You can't just close the app and think that it will be like you have never opened it...that it will remove every bit from memory.
for example, I start with 24MB of free RAM after reset, and trough two or tree days it drops down to 19-22MB dependinh of which and how many apps I have started meanwhile.

Installed apps, even those stored on a SD card will create unneccessary files in the main memory taking some memory away. Check these locations to see if you can delete files from apps that are not needed for the app to run. (main memory) Application Data/Volatile, windows directory/app mgr./active sync (control log) several bytes can be safely deleted here. Look for programs that have been removed, but are still in the app mgr. folder. If files can't be found, use the app that newbie2 offered or this one. Works for me!

Same for me
Man i get the samething. I use the Oxias but it only frees up a couple hundred kb to maybe a few mb. Crazy that I can get it all the way down to 2-3mb of ram. I start with in the 23-26mb free range. I open the following:
Slide2Unlock by A_C
Iphone launcher by Grumps
PocketCM by Tene
I have softkey by water
and Hbutton running
I occassionally check my email and get a few text messages. Outside of that, not a lot of major memory usage.
Even with that going I start at about 21 - 23mb. How is getting down that low. And what will actually work to get it back?
CG

It could be that these programs you have installed are the cause. I think I recall seeing an issue like this related to Slide2Unlock. But the truth is, any badly/improperly written software can do this.

treo...not! said:
It could be that these programs you have installed are the cause. I think I recall seeing an issue like this related to Slide2Unlock. But the truth is, any badly/improperly written software can do this.
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Does anyone know of an actual GOOD program out there that will automatically dump the RAM cache at interval or preset limits?? And do it with a noticable difference??
I have seen others using Resco, task manager and few other programs but most people report the same problem. I know M$ has set the cache up to do this on its own but it is just not as affective as I would like it to be. I know that the short answer is to give up the apps I like. But, I would like to work around that if possible.
CG

hotdog53 said:
Installed apps, even those stored on a SD card will create unneccessary files in the main memory taking some memory away. Check these locations to see if you can delete files from apps that are not needed for the app to run. (main memory) Application Data/Volatile, windows directory/app mgr./active sync (control log) several bytes can be safely deleted here. Look for programs that have been removed, but are still in the app mgr. folder. If files can't be found, use the app that newbie2 offered or this one. Works for me!
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You can clear the Opera history & cache while in Opera, clear cache and delete files while in PIE. With the attached app, which I use ALL the time, can do all this with 1 tap. It also gets rid of your most recent program thst was opened from the start menu. Lots of items can be cleaned and eliminated safely allowing more memory. Check the box by the item/s you want the app to focus on.
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HELP!!!!!

My storage memory keeps dropping, seems like something is using it up because if I leave it overnight it chews up all my onboard storage memory and it gives me a warning in the morning but when I do a soft reset it all comes back. This happened yesterday so I hard resetted my phone and did a full backup dated March 15th 2009. Now its still using up my onboard storage memory automatically it went through 5 megs now in a matter of 15 mins. Can someone help pls? Do I need to do another hard reset and install each program one by one to see which one is causing this?

1') Are you using a custom ROM?
1'') In order to see which process is using up your storage memory i suggest downloading the SKTools trial and launching the processes util. It displays the CPU time, memory and heap usage...etc. This might give you a hint of whose eating up your storage space.
2) Were you using tools like Advanced Config Tool?

stormlv said:
1') Are you using a custom ROM?
1'') In order to see which process is using up your storage memory i suggest downloading the SKTools trial and launching the processes util. It displays the CPU time, memory and heap usage...etc. This might give you a hint of whose eating up your storage space.
2) Were you using tools like Advanced Config Tool?
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I'm using the stock R1A rom
Yes I have Advanced config Tool but wasn't using the program at the time could this program cause the issue?

The X1 already has a better task manager than the one in settings. If you go to the Windows folder in the file explorer and find the tskmngr.exe, you can view all programs running and processes. No need to download anything. I'd use that to take a look. Installing another program seems like it might just exacerbate the problem.

If you wasn't using the tool before these symptoms first appeared then its not the tool.
Could you go here http://www.s-k-tools.com/index.html?m_downloads.html#sktools and download the trial in order to see the processes that are active on your phone?
I also think there was a free tool called Advanced Task Manager, but I don't remember if it displays the memory usage.

Xuanlong said:
The X1 already has a better task manager than the one in settings. If you go to the Windows folder in the file explorer and find the tskmngr.exe, you can view all programs running and processes. No need to download anything. I'd use that to take a look. Installing another program seems like it might just exacerbate the problem.
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Yes, but unlike the normal task manager he can use the other tools to see which services are started, what programs launch at start up and it has a registry optimizer and a memory cleaner.
And the X1 task manager WON'T show the hidden processes already running on the device.
I think installing one more program won't do more harm than already done.

ok I just installed SKTools v4.4.7.1 how do I find programs that are using up my rom?

1) Use the "CPU Usage" tool to see which processes are actively consuming cpu time. You should have around 18 processes there
2) For those processes that use, say, more than 0.5% use the "Processes" tool to see the amount of memory it consumes.
You could use the other tools to clean the registry, etc while you're at it.
SkTools also has a "Optimize tool" You could select Maximum Memory and see if it still bugs (you can always revert to the default settings if you don't like the performance).

stormlv said:
1) Use the "CPU Usage" tool to see which processes are actively consuming cpu time. You should have around 18 processes there
2) For those processes that use, say, more than 0.5% use the "Processes" tool to see the amount of memory it consumes.
You could use the other tools to clean the registry, etc while you're at it.
SkTools also has a "Optimize tool" You could select Maximum Memory and see if it still bugs (you can always revert to the default settings if you don't like the performance).
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Thx for the help, i've looked at the processes and looked them up on google and nothing out of the norm. I also used to optimize tool and it runs a bit quicker, so far i'm not losing any storage memory but i will find out tomorrow morning. I'll update when I get home from work tomorrow.

I just lost another 7megs from my storage memory and I didnt even download a thing. man this sucks.

This is beginning to bug me as well
Use the Clean! tool. When it finishes analyzing, go and check the files/folders it displays one by one. Do you notice some files or folders that have an abnormally large size? Most should be under 1mb (except maybe the GoogleMaps cache)
If that doesn't reveal a clue...I'm left clueless Maybe hardreset/update your ROM?

Here's an update,
Last night when I installed SKTOOLS I enabled freeUP RAM service and also Shadow cleaner in the shadow services. So again when I went to sleep I had my rom at 107MB's after I deleted a few pictures that came with the rom. This morning when I woke up I had the same pop-up, clicked on the icon at the top right hand corner and it said 0.2MB's then I guess the shawdow cleaner kicked in and my MB's started to change at a very fast pace it went back up to 107MB's within 3 seconds. I will see if it does the same thing when I wake up tomorrow. But that was really weird this morning I have never seen anything like that before.

Did u check as I said with the help of the "Clean!" tool to see if there are junk/temporary files or folders that have an abnormal large size?
My suggestion is disabling the Shadow Cleaner for now, then when you start running low on space again, use the Clean tool to see which temp files are big...that will immediately tell you which program is bugging...

Ok so from catgories I clicked on cleanup then clicked on temp and junk files is that what you want me to go in when all my rom is used up?
I just lost 2 megs
I went into SKtools and it says
Temp folder 2
\Application Data\Volatile

If you do a horizontal scroll in that tool (Clean!) you have a tab where you see the size of the Temp/Junk files and folders. What folder has a big size? Is it the Temp2 (because for me thats the RamDisk)

I have SPB insight installed on my today screen here's a screen shot,
So I think I found the problem, it might be SPB insight... here's a german forum translated into english using google language tools
http://translate.google.ca/translat...data-volatile.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
He says in a short time he accumulates 30-40 megs...

Damn...
So did uninstalling spb Insight solve your problem?
Like your screen setup btw

I didnt uninstall insight... I just removed it from my today plug in then I went into the program to remove all data and set it only to manual update.
I lost another 2 megs so 4 in total in the last little while, its all IMGxxxx.tmp in my \Application Data\Volatile folder. I'll leave my insight turned off for now to see if I keep losing storage memory.

XperiaX1a said:
My storage memory keeps dropping, seems like something is using it up because if I leave it overnight it chews up all my onboard storage memory and it gives me a warning in the morning but when I do a soft reset it all comes back. This happened yesterday so I hard resetted my phone and did a full backup dated March 15th 2009. Now its still using up my onboard storage memory automatically it went through 5 megs now in a matter of 15 mins. Can someone help pls? Do I need to do another hard reset and install each program one by one to see which one is causing this?
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You are sleep uploading files...

poetryrocksalot said:
You are sleep uploading files...
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That was a helpful comment

please help,going insane..

my HD2 is driving me nuts..its becoming very unresponsive...need to soft reset it all the time..have not more than one app running at any given time..have around 3000 messages and using the SMS function is driving me even more crazy..typing each character takes too much time.have the latest ROM and the hot fixes.use BsB tweaks,Cookies tab.please help/advice.should i perform a hard reset?the mob is three months old.
regards and thanks in advance!

If you recently installed lots of apps, then that is probably the main cause. Check out how much space you have left on your phone (not the card). If there's nothing running in the taskmanager, you could try and delete some files from the phone's memory. If nothing works, just backup (wither manually or using one of the apps available, such as SPB Backup) and hard reset the phone.
As for the SMS issue, I think there is a fix for that somewhere around here. If you don`t find it, just search for a cab which disables the HTC Messaging app. The winmo version works better, even if it looks nastier.

Hi, You could try cleanRAM to tidy up any memory leak probelms, it's noted on XDA in a few places (I got it from frewarepocketpc.net). I have heard that there is a .cab available to disable HTC Messaging but I prefer tidying up my messages by backing up to Microsoft Myphone and deleting the local copies daily. Yes, HTC failed in my opinion but this seems to work for me.
Regards.

anrabi4 said:
If you recently installed lots of apps, then that is probably the main cause. Check out how much space you have left on your phone (not the card). If there's nothing running in the taskmanager, you could try and delete some files from the phone's memory. If nothing works, just backup (wither manually or using one of the apps available, such as SPB Backup) and hard reset the phone.
As for the SMS issue, I think there is a fix for that somewhere around here. If you don`t find it, just search for a cab which disables the HTC Messaging app. The winmo version works better, even if it looks nastier.
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Installed apps go into storage mem so deleting them won't have any effect.
If operating RAM gets low then it will have an effect but its nothing to do with what you have installed.
Its about what is running or otherwise hogging the operating RAM and people have plugged through this time and again.
The ROM you are running has an effect as has various system caches.
Branded ROMs come with all sorts of clutter and junk and finding a clean lite ROM and flashing that will assist immeasurably.
Regular closing (properly!) running apps and using something like CleanRam all helps as well.
The HD2 is a cutting edge piece of kit and it its possible to get it to fly and be very stable.

opera 10 and camera usage

am i the only one getting mad problems trying to use both together? i ll have opera 10 open and minimized and ill try to run the camera and it will fail to initialize alot, sometimes just fail to initialize, sometimes it says not enough memory, but opera 10 will be the only other app running...
anyone else have this happening to them

I have this problem too. I think this is a known issue and there are no fixes as far as I can tell. you just have to kill opera 10 before starting camera or just use opera 9.7.

I used to have this problem
I used to have this problem but I removed most of the startup programs along with the \program files\selfservice (just renamed to stop.selfservice) programs and I can run everything at the same time. I even removed the bluet hoot service app in the startup but you can opened via shortcut.

how did u remove startup apps?

makkunbakkun said:
how did u remove startup apps?
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connect to your PC with activesync, then use your PC to navigate to my device\windows\startup on the phone.

you know I just tried opening opera and camera and it's fine. perhaps it's working with the leo cpu patch now.

Just to follow up
My phone has been on 3 days without rebooting and I haven't close at all Opera 10. I have 26 processes running including 10 apps running. I think I solved the problem on my phone, not a single mem error.
So the problem was either in the startup apps or the selfservice apps.
By the way I don't use sense, i use SPB MS and s2u2, the phone feels fast very fast even with all that load?(only 179mb RAM free).

sirphunkee said:
connect to your PC with activesync, then use your PC to navigate to my device\windows\startup on the phone.
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So, I have connected my phone using activesync, and every time i open the files on my phone, the windows directory is no where to be found. Why is this? I can find the windows directory just fine when using file explorer on my phone. But not via my computer.

adamhlj said:
So, I have connected my phone using activesync, and every time i open the files on my phone, the windows directory is no where to be found. Why is this? I can find the windows directory just fine when using file explorer on my phone. But not via my computer.
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Did you try to unhide the folders on Windows explorer>tools>folder options> check "Show hidden files and folders" remember not to delete the files in the startup folder just move them, maybe you'll need them if something doesnt work well specially BThoot.

Do you open it and choose to connect as active sync on the phone or disk drive? I think when I choose to connect as disk drive, then only the storage card shows up and not the on device storage.

Paten said:
Do you open it and choose to connect as active sync on the phone or disk drive? I think when I choose to connect as disk drive, then only the storage card shows up and not the on device storage.
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As active sync, and yes that's correct you can't see the phone storage when accessing it in disk drive mode.
The items in the startup folder are mostly just .lnk files, which are links to the executables in the \windows folder...so as long as you can find those again if ever needed, then it's safe to just delete anything in there with a .lnk extension.

sirphunkee said:
connect to your PC with activesync, then use your PC to navigate to my device\windows\startup on the phone.
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what should i delete? what did you delete?
to the guy with his phone on for 3 days without reboot, what did you delete or mod to gain that kind of stability. I have the tmous update, but there is a cpu update too???

Here is my setup.
makkunbakkun said:
what should i delete? what did you delete?
to the guy with his phone on for 3 days without reboot, what did you delete or mod to gain that kind of stability. I have the tmous update, but there is a cpu update too???
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My set up>
T mobile HD2 latest ROM(how ever I was ok using old ROM).
SPB mobile shell 3.5.5 (Sense theme)
S2U2
Arkswitch
In My startup programs(windows/startup)>
arkswitch
ilock2
lumosstarter
spbmobileshell
everything else I moved to
windows/startup2 (or anywhere)
there is an app called BTtrayCE, this enables the bluethoot, so if i want to enable bluethoot i press a shortcut that i made to that app, then i turn bluethoot, probably is ok to leave bttrayCE but anyway i dont use it.
then i renamed the folder
program files/Selfservice to program files/stopselfservice
in this folder there is a lot of trash from t mobile that starts when you turn on the phone.
I think one of my main advantages is SPB ms, really, it disables all that sense stuff that crashes the phone (in my opinion), you can get better performance by using titanium but, it is not too productive.
I'm attaching some pictures of my phone. it is running since morning (it died because of battery) the last screen shot i posted before
Again no problems with the performance at all battery last for 1.5 days but i dont have data plan, just wifi 21 hrs a day.
Hope it helpsss
-Roberto

Awesome Roberto, thank you! I haven't gone in to clean out my startup group yet, but according to what you're showing even the few things that are in there now can go...although I might just put bttray back in there since I use BT all the time.
Also, oddly enough, I don't have the program files/selfservice folder you mention...maybe it's new in the 2.13 ROM...?

They came on 2.13
sirphunkee said:
Awesome Roberto, thank you! I haven't gone in to clean out my startup group yet, but according to what you're showing even the few things that are in there now can go...although I might just put bttray back in there since I use BT all the time.
Also, oddly enough, I don't have the program files/selfservice folder you mention...maybe it's new in the 2.13 ROM...?
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Actually yes I think they came with the new 2.13 ROM. For some reason with those files running I wasn't able to open more than 5 apps at the same time - they were autoclosing-, i think that's t mo's solution for stability in the HD2.

alright so i deleted some things, and i thinkk i may have messed something up.
when i hold the end key down to get to the menu where you can vibrate or turn off data it lags rediculously.....
could someone send me their startup folder shortcuts so i can compare what you have in there?
like an idiot....i didnt backup before i started deleting

makkunbakkun said:
alright so i deleted some things, and i thinkk i may have messed something up.
when i hold the end key down to get to the menu where you can vibrate or turn off data it lags rediculously.....
could someone send me their startup folder shortcuts so i can compare what you have in there?
like an idiot....i didnt backup before i started deleting
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Here you go man, I haven't cleaned mine out yet so everything that came stock is in there with the exception of BTTray.lnk. That and any of the .lnk files you see below should be available for you in the \windows root.

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Here you go man, I haven't cleaned mine out yet so everything that came stock is in there with the exception of BTTray.lnk. That and any of the .lnk files you see below should be available for you in the \windows root.
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maybe i mistyped, maybe you misunderstood, could you send me your whole startup folder please? not just what files there are in there

Here they are
makkunbakkun said:
maybe i mistyped, maybe you misunderstood, could you send me your whole startup folder please? not just what files there are in there
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I think these are the original ones.

makkunbakkun said:
maybe i mistyped, maybe you misunderstood, could you send me your whole startup folder please? not just what files there are in there
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Yes I guess I misunderstood, I thought you just needed to know which ones you needed to copy the links for out of your windows folder again.