Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the N1's AGPS radio is functional without an active mobile/cel connection? Would love to be able to turn the phone radio off when travelling abroad but still have access to GPS functionality.
GPS will work, but it'll lock in slower.. AGPS involves sending the data to a server somewhere else you get a faster lock, so you'll need a data connection for that.
You will of course not be able to see any maps without data also.
Turn on "Airplane" mode; GPS still works.
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Kermee
Thanks for those answers. I used to keep a TyTnII around just for the GPS functionality while on vacation overseas, but if this works and I can find a suitable nav program, should be great =)
cliffy15 said:
Thanks for those answers. I used to keep a TyTnII around just for the GPS functionality while on vacation overseas, but if this works and I can find a suitable nav program, should be great =)
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Aye. You'd need the maps on SD if you don't have data connectivity. I don't even know if Google Maps + Nav works outside of the U.S. (with or without hacks) even if you were roaming on data...
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Kermee
Kermee said:
Aye. You'd need the maps on SD if you don't have data connectivity. I don't even know if Google Maps + Nav works outside of the U.S. (with or without hacks) even if you were roaming on data...
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Kermee
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I never used the audio nav feature, but the rest of it definitely did work for me in AUS. Although it cost me a pretty penny to use it ($15/1MB transfer fee) with international data roaming ...
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I have T-Mobile USA. Can I use the GPS without a data plan?
What is meant by data plan ?
azahidi said:
What is meant by data plan ?
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Internet Plan
I only have a plan with minutes and no internet.
DanRo80 said:
Internet Plan
I only have a plan with minutes and no internet.
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Some GPS applications, e.g. Garmin mobile and many freeware GPS apps, do not require internet connection. Google maps mobile requires internet connection, of course.
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Some GPS applications, e.g. Garmin mobile and many freeware GPS apps, do not require internet connection. Google maps mobile requires internet connection, of course.
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And you are not able to use QuickGPS for faster detection of the satellites.
But I do not know if this is necessary/useful for these programs.
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And you are not able to use QuickGPS for faster detection of the satellites.
But I do not know if this is necessary/useful for these programs.
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True that QuickGPS is supposed to assist in faster GPS detection. However I am not sure how much faster, I mean by how many seconds faster (no empirical measure). From my experience, satellite detection without QuickGPS updated for a few weeks, is still quite fast, a few ten seconds - but still dependant on the sky/cloud condition. I am talking from where I live - equatorial. I am not sure about north of the tropics (Europe and N.America)
A definite no!
You do not need a data plan to use the GPS! Depending on which cellular company you go with, some of their people will try to tell or sell you on a plan. You do not need it.
For WM 5 and above, it is recommended that you let WM manage your GPS for all programs. To do this go to the System Settings tab and select the External GPS app (why it is called external is beyond me). Then move through the tabs to configure the GPS. Ideally, use a port that is not in use. I typically use 9. Then click the box to have WM manage the GPS for all programs that need data from it.
Now, you just need software and there is plenty of free programs out. One utility I recommend is GPS Toggle (http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gps-toggle.html ). This small Today screen plug-in will turn on the Jade GPS to quote warm it up for you. If the GPS has not been turned on in awhile, it can take up to 10 minutes or longer to have it lock onto four satellites which is what is considered necessary for satellite navigation (satnav). During this period, the satellites will use your time signal as one of the primary pieces of info to sync your GPS. Then based upon the positon of the satellites, they will identify your location. Once they have downloaded enough data to the GPS and are in sync, your GPS will become satnav capable.
Another app you might to look at is GPSToday (http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gpstoday-v0-9.html#). I recommend setting this app as separate one and not a Today screen plug-in but that is your choice after reviewing what it is capable of doing. I love that it can geotag pictures taken by Jade which basically takes quote dumb or pictures that do not have typical computer info written into them. You can even use it to mark where you parked your car (at a stadium or large event), store the coordinates and have it navigate back to your car. Another good use is for geocaching.
These are just two small apps. What you really want now is iGO8 (highly recommended), TomTom or another commercial software program.
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Everywhere I look it seems that iGO8 is only for iPhone, but people say they are using it. I am also in the United States.
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Everywhere I look it seems that iGO8 is only for iPhone, but people say they are using it. I am also in the United States.
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If you look here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472110&highlight=gps+software), it might give you an idea. iGo8 has been used on Jade.
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If you look here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472110&highlight=gps+software), it might give you an idea. iGo8 has been used on Jade.
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Yeah, I was in there. It's just that the website said that it was for the iPhone and it looked like it was for Europe only. Nevermind, I am just dopey. I see that it is also for America and Canada.
With so many of the feature sets of phones geared to data plans, I'm a little concerned about how the HD2 will deal with features for someone like me who doesn't have a data plan because I'm out of data range 85% of the time. In looking at the manual, these items come to mind:
1. Update Weather Info Using Wi-Fi or ActiveSync Connection?
2. Using Footprints with GPS; No Data Connection?
3. Update Stocks Using Wi-Fi or ActiveSync Connection?
4. Navigation Using GPS Only; No Data Connection? Can Google maps be downloaded and used when no data connection is available?
I currently use a TyTN II that came with TomTom for navigation. Would my current version work on the HD2? If not, is there a software package for navigation that will work with the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
-Bob-
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someone like me who doesn't have a data plan because I'm out of data range 85% of the time.
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I don't get it - I have never encountered a situation where I would have voice service but no data - is it even possible?
Anyway, your #1 and #3 will work fine, don't know about Footprints - never used that, and Google Maps have cache, but you need to download the maps around your location at least once. Then if you want to zoom in/out or move away from the predownloaded area you'll need a data connection.
TomTom should work just fine - why wouldn't it?
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I don't get it - I have never encountered a situation where I would have voice service but no data - is it even possible?
Anyway, your #1 and #3 will work fine, don't know about Footprints - never used that, and Google Maps have cache, but you need to download the maps around your location at least once. Then if you want to zoom in/out or move away from the predownloaded area you'll need a data connection.
TomTom should work just fine - why wouldn't it?
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I don't have a data plan because I'm outside the US 85% of the time. Too cheap to pay for a 'plan' when I'm in the US. Use a pay-as-you-go plan. No data available as far as I know. Has that changed??
Thanks for your reply.
-Bob-
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TomTom should work just fine - why wouldn't it?
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Screen resolution, maybe??
rebecker said:
I don't have a data plan because I'm outside the US 85% of the time. Too cheap to pay for a 'plan' when I'm in the US. Use a pay-as-you-go plan. No data available as far as I know. Has that changed??
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Ah, OK, I thought by "range" you meant "coverage". Haven't been in the US for 5 years, so don't know whether they have data service for prepaid packages. I'm sure somebody offered that when I was there, but I may be mistaken, can't be an expert on this issue for sure!
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Screen resolution, maybe??
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HD2 has the same resolution as HD, so you will be fine I'm sure.
I have TomTom and 1 gb of Europmaps installaed and it works just fine.
But now im going on holliday and was thinking about using my HD2 and TomTom navigation. But is TomTom using data when showing you where to go?
I know that e.g. Googlemaps is using data to download maps as you go, but now that TomTom is using the 1 gb maps, is TomTom then also using data to work?
TomTom isn't working if you disable the phone in the Commanager.
So will it cost to use tomtom abroad?
Good question
I use Tomtom and I have used this with no available credit and not received any extra charges or anything
I would be interested to know why it needs the phone connected to a phone signal to actually work this is also the same with Garmin XT
I would think it would work while roaming without causing any additional charges to your phone but that is just a guess
the plot thickens
i just ran Garmin XT on the HD2
I first tried with flight mode and Garmin works fine
Removed the SIM card and Garmin still works
weird as I also have garmin xt on my HD as well and if I have no sim it wont work
Thanks ozmoran, il'l try and use Tomtom on my holliday and se if i get any big bill
Tomtom will not incur charges when roaming, if your worried just make sure your HD2 cant make an internet connection by installing something like nodata.
Iv noticed in flight mode that iGo8 and memory map both work fine however for some reason tomtom never does, iv never incurred charges though using tomtom while roaming.
the HTC has got a A-GPS chipset. That chipset uses the GSM network to get an estimate of the handset’s location down to cell/sector, therefore can predict with great accuracy the GPS signal the handset will receive. With this assistance the size of the search space is greatly reduced and the time-to-first-fix.
there is no charge for this.
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the HTC has got a A-GPS chipset. That chipset uses the GSM network to get an estimate of the handset’s location down to cell/sector, therefore can predict with great accuracy the GPS signal the handset will receive. With this assistance the size of the search space is greatly reduced and the time-to-first-fix.
there is no charge for this.
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Just a thought should Tomtom work if AGPS is turned off?
and thanks for the info
much appreciated
dont worry i tried with location and same result
so if its more detailed Id rather not mess with it LOL
yea just takes a bit longer to get a fix. but apart from that it doesnt need to access anything unless you clicked on an update by mistake
TomTom uses no data for me. I used it when i was driving to Switzerland from Sweden. I just installed a nodata app to make sure it used no data for weather, emails and such.
I got no big bill when i got back home, except that the text messages and the calls was alittle more expensive than usual (duh?)
I have an easy question about GPS, I am using Vibrant without network plan. So I don't know if I can use GPS with out any wifi or 3g? I am using the BV 1.3.1 now.. If that will work, how can I set up?
GPS uses military run satellites to determine you location. The network or data transfer is irreverent. Your GPS will work without network connection.
Now lets say you try to navigate to a location with Google maps. This will not work, although the phone will know your location it can not use the network to DL the maps nor calculate your route. If you use a nav app that store a maps on your SD card, then you'll be fine
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GPS uses military run satellites to determine you location. The network or data transfer is irreverent. Your GPS will work without network connection.
Now lets say you try to navigate to a location with Google maps. This will not work, although the phone will know your location it can not use the network to DL the maps nor calculate your route. If you use a nav app that store a maps on your SD card, then you'll be fine
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+1 yup plus it will be slower
oka1 said:
+1 yup plus it will be slower
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It will be slower? The GPS navigate will be slower or the phone will be slower? much slower?
oka1 said:
+1 yup plus it will be slower
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Is there any nav app that we can't download free and store the maps in SD so that can navigate without network?
oka1 said:
+1 yup plus it will be slower
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It will be slower? The GPS navigate will be slower or the phone will be slower? much slower?
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I don't see how the phone would be slower, in any regard. It would not affect the phones processing speed, nor would the gps run slower. The only thing that could be slower is finding your location from a cold start, using network location can speed this, but imo it's irrelevant. Network location is too inaccurate for navigation.
There are some apps which store maps, but none that are free. Maybe someone else knows of one.
In my experience, GPS lock can be considerably slower without the network. The AGPS works by querying the network to get supplemental information like precise time and maybe ephemeris data (precise sat location) which can make a huge difference in acquiring lock. The phone is capable of acquiring lock without this network aid, but locks can take minutes, and accurate locks can take many minutes.
Of course, the other caveats about requiring off-line maps etc for navigation functions also apply.
I don't have a data plan either but my gps works just fine. It locks onto sats in about 10 sec.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10488647
thats open source map app where u can drop locations to go turn by turn (initially the maps load over wifi, but u can choose to save them and save them according to the resolution. I live in Atlanta so i only saved the GA portion with a decent resolution, which is nice that i dont have to worry about downloading states ill never need).
i personally use copilot live more (about 1gb for USA maps with poi)
i forgot the price, but it is 100% worth it (almost better than my in car navi)
Running bionix btw if that helps with gps lockon timings
and dont forget to get apn droid from the app store to make sure it disables all cellular network data. only downside is that if you want mms then u have to turn it back on reboot and then download the mms then turn it off again, but i dont get many mms anyway so its ok.
Get CoPilot Live USA.
Its $5 on the market and it preloads the maps for the country on your phone. Works WITHOUT data and the interface is SLICK. Full 3D navigation with really good voice turn by turn.
One of the best purchases I ever made. Hope it helps you too
PS: Maps get updated about every month so they are always current as far as road names and points of interest. Note that since it isn't using any data and data triangulation, if it is the first time you use it after a phone reboot it will take up to 3-4 minutes to lock on. This is normal as it is the same if you try any 3rd party GPS receiver navigation system. Once you've used it once since the phone has booted up, lockon time will be under a minute.
I'm here at the US and I've seen some gps navigation apps that I can use offline in the marketplace and the different reviews on each one of them but I really want feedback here at xda. Is it Navigon USA/Canada, Turn by Turn, or something else?
One side question related to this. I know that DVP only has AGPS. Is it capable of offline gps navigation without using any data from the carrier? I don't have unlimited data plan.
You must be confusing what AGPS means, it's GPS + optional tower support to accelerate lock ons. All AGPS devices by definition also support GPS.
Besides that it depends on if you have an app that has cached/downloaded maps. It depends entirely on the app to support downloading maps ahead of time.
Try Navigon(Garmin), it doesnt req. gprs connected, good map's covarage/inteface.
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You must be confusing what AGPS means, it's GPS + optional tower support to accelerate lock ons. All AGPS devices by definition also support GPS.
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Thanks for clarifying. I thought AGPS is just cellular tower support.
gmaps from the marketplace works well
I use Gmaps for long range navigation and Turn By Turn (free) once I get there(and locally) due to the limited mile radius of the free version. I considered the pricier options but this setup works fine for me.
Is there any free app to use in offline mode? Any of them working in Venezuela? I miss so much that feature that I had on my nokia n82
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Thanks for clarifying. I thought AGPS is just cellular tower support.
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I guess, mine just work with A-GPS ... i buy the navigon, it seems very nice, but my gps antena, i guess its the problem, doesnt work... Somebody have the same problem?
thanks by the way...