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HTC Touch Vogue and GPS

Hello, just need something things cleared up, I have unlocked my phone by cooking custom rom and enabling GPS capabilities for this phone. I have spent a week or so learning how to mod different things like SPB, S2U2, icontacts, etc.... I traveled to Montreal from Toronto using the GPS pay services, $8 a month, which is reasonable, but I was wondering if it possible to use the GPS capabilities for free. I know when you go buy a GPS unit, you dont have to pay for the service, only if you want to update your maps. Is there some registry hack or software that will enable this for free. Please let me know and point me in the right direction if possible, thanks everyone.

gps free with unlimited date plan
if you have an unlimited data plan ,(im with telus),like if you wanto get internet ,tv or anything else. your gps connection gona be free. for the htc touch vogue with the news telus rom its so easy to get gps working with a simple modification with Qpst and a registry hack.
HTC Mogul
DCD 3.2.2 RADIO 3.42.30
gps working-ip phone- wifi and bluetooth internet router working to
ive download almost 5gig each month and no cost for that
27.85 meg at boot and 23.75 with 6-8 program like google map running
HTC Vogue
New telus radio rom wm6.1
Gps working with registry hack and qpst modification
ip phone and bluetooth router for internet working ( no wifi enabled)
this phone just have so much memory that everything working stable with so less hacking on it
HTC Libra
New telus radio rom wm6.1
ip-phone with internet by bluetooth pan and diamond tv working by bluetooth
****ing smartphone so hard to hack or build a kitchen for it

Original poster was asking whether it was free to acquire GPS through satellite rather than through a data connection.
I have an Elf so I don't know the answer, but the Vogue has a GPS chip in it so I'm assuming it can communicate with satellites. If you have the newer ROMs then it should have GPS enabled in the operating system.
guig54 said:
if you have an unlimited data plan ,(im with telus),like if you wanto get internet ,tv or anything else. your gps connection gona be free. for the htc touch vogue with the news telus rom its so easy to get gps working with a simple modification with Qpst and a registry hack.
HTC Mogul
DCD 3.2.2 RADIO 3.42.30
gps working-ip phone- wifi and bluetooth internet router working to
ive download almost 5gig each month and no cost for that
27.85 meg at boot and 23.75 with 6-8 program like google map running
HTC Vogue
New telus radio rom wm6.1
Gps working with registry hack and qpst modification
ip phone and bluetooth router for internet working ( no wifi enabled)
this phone just have so much memory that everything working stable with so less hacking on it
HTC Libra
New telus radio rom wm6.1
ip-phone with internet by bluetooth pan and diamond tv working by bluetooth
****ing smartphone so hard to hack or build a kitchen for it
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did you know that your phone doesnt communicate with satellite gps but its making a triangular equation with his cellular satellite. I'm working on getting a gps lock without having any contract. And getting a free internet connection at the same time if youre able to get a gps lock you have internet acces because they came from the same source.

Thanks
Hey guys thanks alot for your replies, I think I have a better grasp on what you all are saying. So, I have enabled the GPS capabilities on my phone through the ROM. Now I have a icon in programs menu that says GPSNav. When I go to that application it gives me 2 options, 3.50 a day and 8.00 a month. From what I understand GPS on these phones are done through a data connection meaning the internet, not through locking onto an actual satellite like those dedicated GPS devices. I do have an unlimited data plan right now. So, is it because I'm running this particular program that I have to pay? Or is there another program I can either use through one time purchase or I can find on the net somewhere that I can install and get GPS for free through using my unlimited data plan (triangulation). If there is an app out there, whats the name? Thank again!

guig54 said:
did you know that your phone doesnt communicate with satellite gps but its making a triangular equation with his cellular satellite. I'm working on getting a gps lock without having any contract. And getting a free internet connection at the same time if youre able to get a gps lock you have internet acces because they came from the same source.
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Hmm... I thought the GPS capability of these newer phones was equivalent to the functionality of using separate Bluetooth GPS receiver. Thus no need to buy the receiver anymore.
Correct me if I am wrong, because this was one of my reasons for wanting to buy a Touch Diamond or the Touch 3G.

gps without any plan
i dont know for the touch diamond or the touch 3g because the telus interface is cdma not gsm. but if you want to get an gps connection without being charged for it. its shure that if you have to open an app that charged you for using the gps its because first- that you've not flash a custom rom or simply with the new htc rom wm6.1 you can just modify your Qpst and with a little registry hack you can get a fully free of charged gps using. but you will need to install a gps sorftware that already have all the map in it. or if you have and unlimited data plan get google map and youll never be charged for using the gps chipset enabled.
For now I've almost get a gps lock with my HTC libra without any plan at all, its seeking for satellite but not able to lock on 1. im trying to get a pass trough the cellular tower to get a data unlimited to for free with cloning and some little other hack. ill see if its working.

gps and internet working without any plan.... to much
the gps connection working with a 8 second locking time and 10 gps satellite locking on. with the new rom wm6.1 from telus i've found that there is many thing that make it so funny and easy to hack and make everything working. now i've found how to make the internet connection working.
google maps working
9-10 gps satellites lock on
8 second delay for locking satellite
satellite view working because of the internet hack ..... so hot
internet
download bitrate of 1200 kbps
Now the question is how long all this will stay working.
all of this working because off all the time i've put on this. reading and trying modification in registry, modification in the epst with ##778 and the getspc, changing values in qpst for enabling the gps chipset and dont forgot to change your spc if you dont want telus to get in and see what you have done in it. the key to get all off this working will stay secret for a week minimum because ill see if after a week everything will stay alive maybe ill tell somebody who will pay for it. but after making the impossible-possible the secret key to that is.....lol

guig54 said:
all of this working because off all the time i've put on this. reading and trying modification in registry, modification in the epst with ##778 and the getspc, changing values in qpst for enabling the gps chipset and dont forgot to change your spc if you dont want telus to get in and see what you have done in it. the key to get all off this working will stay secret for a week minimum because ill see if after a week everything will stay alive maybe ill tell somebody who will pay for it. but after making the impossible-possible the secret key to that is.....lol
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I'm not fully understanding what you're saying. But... to help others out you are making them pay for it? On this site?
My initial point about the GPS chip was not to imply CDMA or GSM. It should have nothing to do with either. I'm talking about direct satellite tracking (like with a bluetooth receiver) not tracking through cellular network. Maybe someone else can enlighten us on this.

im not telling to ask other to pay for my help but for the key to acces the network without any data plan and get full free access to gps. about your idea to get an outside gps connect with your device, for me its an crazy idea because youre gona pay for a gps device that is already in your htc device and that you can get full use of it without being charged for it.
the way i've found to connect to the network is pretty easy after all but that take me so much hours to found this hack that im not gona give it to a nobody(french term)

when youre talking about direct satellite its your choice but about me im not working on that because ive no interest in that.
Now next step is to get a free access to the cellular tower and get access to make phone call without having a plan with a company

guig54 said:
about your idea to get an outside gps connect with your device, for me its an crazy idea because youre gona pay for a gps device that is already in your htc device and that you can get full use of it without being charged for it.
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My Elfin doesn't have a GPS device built in. that is why I have to use Bluetooth to connect to my separate GPS receiver. That is what most people do.

2nd day off free internet access
day 2, the internet connection still alive.
-I think that yesterday about 3hrs after i got access they try to deconnect me . Because i've been deconnected and they send me and msg that ive not permission to acces the network. but after soft-reset everything get back on and nothing else apen after that everything going good.
-Now can somebody now if its possible to make a roundup connections with cell tower. is it possible to activate the option of making the request activation after the connection begin like the 10 min registry hack activation delay for the btpan in dcd rom
sorry for my poor english im from Quebec, Canada.
mabe if something possible I'll be interested in develloping and creating a kind off ghost phone project with the help off every one who know something about that
thanks

I have an Elfin myself, so I don't know how the Vogue works...
But from what I've read, the Vogue has a built-in GPS chip. This is not to be confused with aGPS (Assisted GPS), which uses the cell towers to triangulate your position; it's not as accurate as true GPS but it gives you a good idea. I'm not sure if aGPS costs you money, I would assume it does as it needs to use the internet (Google maps uses an aGPS style positioning).
Where as true GPS uses a chip to pick up on the 24 GPS satellites or so, orbiting the earth right now. The chip is designed to get a satellite lock, and the satellites help triangulate your position to a more accurate position. Well, more satellites/cell towers = better accuracy. Therfore consider 24 satellites, or 3 or 4 cell towers. Obviously true GPS works better.
So from what I understand, you just unlock the GPS (which I believe is true GPS), then I would download Garmin XT for windows mobile and use that. You will have to download or buy the map sets, load those onto an SD card in your phone. Then you can use Garmin XT (with pre-installed maps), combined with the internal GPS chip - it should work just fine, and will not use the internet.
I have been using Garmin XT on my Elfin, with a bluetooth GPS and it works great. I have never used a data plan either.
Now, I just wonder what chip the Vogue is using for it's GPS - it must be some kind of SiRF chip... Maybe someone can tell us, then we will know the exact type of GPS it uses.
Try out Garmin XT and let us know.

hey guys..
i have an HTC Vogue..
i was wondering..
if..
Google Maps does work without having a wifi connection?
its WM default ROM..
PS.
[i live in Central America]

GPS and other settings

I have a blackstone and it was originally on the Orange network (UK) I now have it unlocked from orange and have a T-mobile uk sim in there.
I put tomtom sat nav on and havent done much else to it.
For some reason I cant use the tomtom app as it says no gps device, any idea whats going on, or how I fix this. I follew the tom tom installation correctly but it just doesnt pick up any satellites up.
Another thing is my MMS setting are out of wack completely, any idea how I get these fixed, t mobile are unable to help as they dont sell the phone through them.
Anyone got their mms worksing through t mobile uk?
any help would be appreciated

Yes..you have find a big bug in the new rom that you have installed...i think that you have burn the GPS antenna, or the second possibility is that you have to install a new Antenna software..i've a original rom and all is perfect.!!

i havent installed another rom, its the original one that was on the phone, so i couldnt have burnt anything out. i haveng modded the phone in any way just to confirm

I'd try this for the MMS settings:
Tmobile Settings by Email
For the TomTom problem, it is just a case of TomTom not displaying any Satellites, but still getting your location (the screen changes colour and shows your location, to indicate a satellite lock) or does it never give a fix.
Not to insult as I don't know your level of experience with GPS, but try it outside on a clear (not very heavy cloud) day, leaving it stationary for several (upto five I'd say) minutes, and see if it gets a fix?

thansk for the reply,
but the t-mobile link odesnt work as my phone isnt listed there and I cant move forward without selecting one.
The tom tom screen is grey as if it doesnt have any satellites connected to it, I have tried it on a clear day and same no luck.
In the connections tab under where you can switch the bluetooth, wifi etc on, does the data connection also have to be switched on, of is the data connection for something else?

For tomtom:
Go to settings/AGPS settings and make sure it is turned off - this used to stop tomtom working for me until I updated my ROM.
In tomtom, make sure you've selected 'Other NMEA GPS receiver' and COM4 (I found the baud rate does not matter and have it set to the highest value.

thanks all working now, great.
just on a general note, what costs are incurred when we use this, is it free for people with data plans etc

digo21 said:
thanks all working now, great.
just on a general note, what costs are incurred when we use this, is it free for people with data plans etc
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GPS does not cost anything as you are receiving signals from GPS satellites. I don't think you even need a SIM in your phone to use it.
AGPS is data so will come out of your data plan if you have one.

digo21 said:
I have a blackstone and it was originally on the Orange network (UK) I now have it unlocked from orange and have a T-mobile uk sim in there.
I put tomtom sat nav on and havent done much else to it.
For some reason I cant use the tomtom app as it says no gps device, any idea whats going on, or how I fix this. I follew the tom tom installation correctly but it just doesnt pick up any satellites up.
Another thing is my MMS setting are out of wack completely, any idea how I get these fixed, t mobile are unable to help as they dont sell the phone through them.
Anyone got their mms worksing through t mobile uk?
any help would be appreciated
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Have you tic the box in the GPS tab (see in the settings) for give the permission to the O.S for taking automatically the control of signal.?

Do you have to have data plan for GPS?

I have T-Mobile USA. Can I use the GPS without a data plan?

What is meant by data plan ?

azahidi said:
What is meant by data plan ?
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Internet Plan
I only have a plan with minutes and no internet.

DanRo80 said:
Internet Plan
I only have a plan with minutes and no internet.
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Some GPS applications, e.g. Garmin mobile and many freeware GPS apps, do not require internet connection. Google maps mobile requires internet connection, of course.

azahidi said:
Some GPS applications, e.g. Garmin mobile and many freeware GPS apps, do not require internet connection. Google maps mobile requires internet connection, of course.
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And you are not able to use QuickGPS for faster detection of the satellites.
But I do not know if this is necessary/useful for these programs.

MvBoe said:
And you are not able to use QuickGPS for faster detection of the satellites.
But I do not know if this is necessary/useful for these programs.
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True that QuickGPS is supposed to assist in faster GPS detection. However I am not sure how much faster, I mean by how many seconds faster (no empirical measure). From my experience, satellite detection without QuickGPS updated for a few weeks, is still quite fast, a few ten seconds - but still dependant on the sky/cloud condition. I am talking from where I live - equatorial. I am not sure about north of the tropics (Europe and N.America)

A definite no!
You do not need a data plan to use the GPS! Depending on which cellular company you go with, some of their people will try to tell or sell you on a plan. You do not need it.
For WM 5 and above, it is recommended that you let WM manage your GPS for all programs. To do this go to the System Settings tab and select the External GPS app (why it is called external is beyond me). Then move through the tabs to configure the GPS. Ideally, use a port that is not in use. I typically use 9. Then click the box to have WM manage the GPS for all programs that need data from it.
Now, you just need software and there is plenty of free programs out. One utility I recommend is GPS Toggle (http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gps-toggle.html ). This small Today screen plug-in will turn on the Jade GPS to quote warm it up for you. If the GPS has not been turned on in awhile, it can take up to 10 minutes or longer to have it lock onto four satellites which is what is considered necessary for satellite navigation (satnav). During this period, the satellites will use your time signal as one of the primary pieces of info to sync your GPS. Then based upon the positon of the satellites, they will identify your location. Once they have downloaded enough data to the GPS and are in sync, your GPS will become satnav capable.
Another app you might to look at is GPSToday (http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gpstoday-v0-9.html#). I recommend setting this app as separate one and not a Today screen plug-in but that is your choice after reviewing what it is capable of doing. I love that it can geotag pictures taken by Jade which basically takes quote dumb or pictures that do not have typical computer info written into them. You can even use it to mark where you parked your car (at a stadium or large event), store the coordinates and have it navigate back to your car. Another good use is for geocaching.
These are just two small apps. What you really want now is iGO8 (highly recommended), TomTom or another commercial software program.
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Everywhere I look it seems that iGO8 is only for iPhone, but people say they are using it. I am also in the United States.

DanRo80 said:
Everywhere I look it seems that iGO8 is only for iPhone, but people say they are using it. I am also in the United States.
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If you look here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472110&highlight=gps+software), it might give you an idea. iGo8 has been used on Jade.

azahidi said:
If you look here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472110&highlight=gps+software), it might give you an idea. iGo8 has been used on Jade.
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Yeah, I was in there. It's just that the website said that it was for the iPhone and it looked like it was for Europe only. Nevermind, I am just dopey. I see that it is also for America and Canada.

gps with t-mobile usa

I've read that the HD2 has the new snapdragon chip which has built-in GPS. i have the t-mobile usa version. i'm having problems figuring out how to get my gps software to recognize the gps radio. maybe i'm just missing a setting (i hope). is the gps radio even available in the t-mo usa rom or do i need another rom? if i do need another rom, any suggestions?....or pointers in the right direction.
thanks
tom
no data plan
ps - iguidance support is as clueless as i am.

i forgot to mention...
ROM version: 2.10.531.1
Radio version: 2.08.50.08_2
- tom
HTC HD2 USA
Iguidance (gps software)

I think the manual settings are com4, 4800 baud for the gps.
I tried manually setting it in google maps and it worked on Friday.

isn't google maps a web based gps? i trying to get the gps to work without a data (or internet connection). also, i have gone through every setting in settings and still cannot find where to set the com or baud nor do i see even any mention of gps.
- tom

tomX2 said:
isn't google maps a web based gps? i trying to get the gps to work without a data (or internet connection). also, i have gone through every setting in settings and still cannot find where to set the com or baud nor do i see even any mention of gps.
- tom
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google maps does require data connection. I was just mentioning it since I can change the gps settings there. I vaguely remember that those settings work, so you can try it in your gps program if it doesn't detect automatically.

I used Telenav on my TMOUS HD2 5 minutes after I got my phone and it worked fine without changing any of the settings. I have a dataplan on my phone though.
Is the AGPS service on your phone on? Try turning it off.
Its in settings>Location>AGPS Service.

i have agps off. i am under the impression that agps uses data (i have no data plan) and of course, do not want to use data. according to wikipedia: "A typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection (Internet or other) to contact the assistance server for A-GPS information". i'm going to call t-mo usa on this.
i can get the software to find my location (using agps) but this phone has a stand-a-lone gps radio and it should work without any assistance from anything other than the satellites. my tytnII did. my feeling is that it's my phone, it's my software why should i pay someone to use it? especially when it was designed to work independently, until the phone companies figured out a way to charge for it. in addition, when i'm trekking and there is no tower, the very reason gps was invented is rendered useless.
anyone have any experience with setting up their hd2 with gps (not agps), using any of the standard softwares? i.e. tom tom, iguidance, etc. i pretty sure this is possible, but hard to find information on.
thanks
tom
HTC HD2
iguidance
gps tuner

fyi - i have found out that (through several unhelpful contacts with the manufacturer as well as posts here and elsewhere) iguidance gps does not work with the hd2 (usa)....and the company provides no assistance in this matter.
- tom

tomX2 said:
i have agps off. i am under the impression that agps uses data (i have no data plan) and of course, do not want to use data. according to wikipedia: "A typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection (Internet or other) to contact the assistance server for A-GPS information". i'm going to call t-mo usa on this.
i can get the software to find my location (using agps) but this phone has a stand-a-lone gps radio and it should work without any assistance from anything other than the satellites. my tytnII did. my feeling is that it's my phone, it's my software why should i pay someone to use it? especially when it was designed to work independently, until the phone companies figured out a way to charge for it. in addition, when i'm trekking and there is no tower, the very reason gps was invented is rendered useless.
anyone have any experience with setting up their hd2 with gps (not agps), using any of the standard softwares? i.e. tom tom, iguidance, etc. i pretty sure this is possible, but hard to find information on.
thanks
tom
HTC HD2
iguidance
gps tuner
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There are plenty of other GPS apps that should work with the HD2 that don't require a monthly payment. I'm only using Telenav through the 60 day free trial, and will cancel it afterwards.
Tom Tom, iGo 8, and Navigon all reportedly work for the HD2. You will have to pay for the software and maps, but otherwise there are no monthly expenses. From my understanding, they only require data service if you're using something like traffic updates, or if you're using a trial version and they need use the data service for verification purposes.
I've not tried any other GPS software other than Telenav yet, but I see no reason why they others shouldn't work.

i been using Ndrive and works better then it did on my pro2

[Q] How to use GPS with no internet connection?

Hi, What do I need for my blackstone in order to use any (suggestions, which is better, would be a great help) GPS sowtware without internet connection. I am not an expert in this, but I know that GPS devices (like tom tom or similar) use satellite data to show coordinates. How can this be done on my touch hd? As only preinstalled program is google maps that require internet connection.
I don't have unlimited data plan, so this is extremely expensive for me, but I am a fan of geocatching, so I need GPS.
Please help me with description of how this GPS works and what soft should I use?
Thanks

There are lots of good Navigation/GPS Apps around that read standalone maps from your SDCard.
Take your pick.
Some info here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566657

bethybabes69 said:
There are lots of good Navigation/GPS Apps around that read standalone maps from your SDCard.
Take your pick.
Some info here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566657
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Hi, thank for the info, but....
I installed TT7 with my region maps, but I still seem not to receive any GPS signal - my phone seems not to catch any satellite signal - is this a setting issue?

in tomtom7, just access the gps settings and set them to "internal gps receiver", then it should work immediately, given that in your very location you have gps coverage.

I've found that my Touch HD's GPS capabilities work great when I'm at home testing them, then fails to locate any satellites when I'm lost! lol
Not exactly true - but has got me before!
I would suggest that you try your GPS in various locations just to make sure that the building you live / work in, or the weather isn't blocking the signal that your phones GPS listens for...
I used TomTom for ages without issue, it can be copied directly from a memory card on a TomTom compatible device usually.
Recently my Dad bought iGo8 with the entire world maps installed, so I pinched that and run it straight off my storage card with just a few teething problems. This is the best GPS / SatNav on my phone so far...

+1 for iGO8
Best GPS software by far for me. This is the only and single reason why I haven't bought an Android phone yet.
If they would have created the same skinable thing for a HTC Desire etc the HD would be history.
If I were you.
1) disable a-gps, causes roaming costs and most gps application freak out on it (download advanced config tool and disable it that way)
Lock, no lock, lock, ... mostly caused by agps (assisted-gps). Assisted means that it also gets data from the cell-tower which abroad can cost you loads of money (and yes I had that once)
If you use HTC quick gps you will probably get a lock in seconds if you are outside so no need for assisted.
2) install the gps mod driver , this one 'thinks' ahead by calculating points that it gets from the GPS receiver. If you don't feel confident about this one skip it but read the thread and keep it in the back of your head.
3) buy iGO8 and install the gurjon skin which makes iGO look fantastic and makes it fully configurable the way you want it.
4) enjoy a fantastic GPS system