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Hi All,
So excited about getting the Touch HD, but one thing is kinda bothering me,
since we are all waiting to see the new wm7 and because making such a pricey purchase for a phone, i would expect that wm7 will work on the HD (hopefuly)
Now, what good is wm7 on such a fantastic device if we can't utilize Multi Touch and the like?!
Can anybody confirm via experiment that it can do multi touch?
(and i am not talking about the navi-area like diamond/pro)
Thanks guys,
Fadi
VERY good question, but there is one glaring problem with it:
Since WM6.1 doesn't support multi-touch, there really isn't a way to experiment to see if the HD does in fact support it.
Now, I do remember reading somewhere that the Diamond does support multi-touch a few months ago. I don't know if that was accurate or not, but I did read it. I am not sure if that's the "navi-area" you speak of, but that's what I read.
I am not sure anyone can really answer your question besides HTC themselves and you are going to be hard pressed to get an answer out of them. I sent them a question prior to the HD's release asking if it had a light sensor and they basically told me they don't know- but usually the secondary video camera acts as one. LOL.
If I had to bet, I would say it lacked multi-touch. I am not sure how great multi-touch is, you can use two fingers in opposite directions to zoom in on a picture of you can simply double tap on it twice... lol. I don't own an iPhone so maybe there is more to it than just that and I am pretty sure of that, but I don't think there is a "whole" lot more to it.
Now I am going to get some iPhone "not a fanboy" coming in and telling me that multi-touch scrambles eggs and grills steak.
For goodness sake, why is everybody so obsessed with multi-touch?
I mean, it's a nice feature but with a limited use in fact, and I completely fail to see how lack of it may be a show stopper!
To say that there is no point in buying a device without it is just crazy.
nu_D said:
VERY good question, but there is one glaring problem with it:
Now I am going to get some iPhone "not a fanboy" coming in and telling me that multi-touch scrambles eggs and grills steak.
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Well, it marinades the steak, and THEN grills it to perfection actually, this is an APPLE iPhone you know
Well, I have an iPhone, I don't think I am a fanboy, hell, who cares......but nah, multi touch is a nice to have, bit it is no big deal.
Kev
Thanks guys for the reply.
I understand your point, actually looking at what wm7 has in store for the
multi-touch technology, it just bothers me to not have it in this nice device.
how much will i use multi-touch... or how useful it is? no idea
I simply like to know that the HD can make use of all what wm7 has to offer.. well..hoping that they release it sometime in this century lol
Thnx
Is there anything close to a firm release date for WM7 yet?
I read 2nd half of 2009 on a site on Google, does anyone know any different?
HTC seam to be chucking out the new models at quite some rate lately with the Diamond, Pro and HD all within a few months of each other. Hopefully they will release new WM7 roms for all these phones and not expect us all to fork out for another £500 device just to upgrade!
Fadik said:
Thanks guys for the reply.
I understand your point, actually looking at what wm7 has in store for the
multi-touch technology, it just bothers me to not have it in this nice device.
how much will i use multi-touch... or how useful it is? no idea
I simply like to know that the HD can make use of all what wm7 has to offer.. well..hoping that they release it sometime in this century lol
Thnx
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Well, it's like whether you need a QWERTY keyboard or not.
If you're asking yourself if you NEED it, then you don't need it.
I think the reason behind the question is what happens in if WM7 is designed with the expectation that multi touch is present.
If that was the case, then some commonly used functions might become very tedious to use without multitouch since you might be forced to go through menu options etc.
e.g. In photo app. If Zoom relied on pinch, the only alternative without it might mean having to go from full screen to normal screen then picking menu button then selecting zoom.
Perhaps we should have these devices launched as WM7 Capable (Not to be confused with WM7 Ultimate Ready)
Zuber
Zuber said:
I think the reason behind the question is what happens in if WM7 is designed with the expectation that multi touch is present.
If that was the case, then some commonly used functions might become very tedious to use without multitouch since you might be forced to go through menu options etc.
e.g. In photo app. If Zoom relied on pinch, the only alternative without it might mean having to go from full screen to normal screen then picking menu button then selecting zoom.
Perhaps we should have these devices launched as WM7 Capable (Not to be confused with WM7 Ultimate Ready)
Zuber
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Well, hopefully MS people will have more foresight than that.
For example, the beloved iPhone zooms with pinching and with double tapping
Don't quote me on this but I THINK I remember reading that 6.5 should be released in Q1 of 2009 and that 7 should be released in 2010.
I am pretty sure about the 2010 release but sort of iffy on the Q1 of 2009 release.
Multi-touch is cool, first thing I did on the Macbook display at the Apple store was try it out on the trackpad- and it was at that point I found it to be useless. I am sure WM7 will implement it but I will bet my shoes that they will support other input methods for specific tasks, such as double tapping.
It would be cool to have, but to put it into perspective, I would love for Apple to boost their camera to 5 megapixels and have them ditch multi-touch or would have HTC add flash to the HD rather than multi-touch. The flash example is a much better example since it's not a deal breaker whereas the weak camera in the iPhone is.
Anyways.
Ya man, it's crazy what some people say- one guy made the lack of TV-out to be almost as bad as nuclear winter. I mean seriously, how many times a week do you use TV-out? I live on campus at a major university, which anyone will tell you has more televisions and iPhones per square yard than any other place in the world, and I have never seen anyone use their TV-out. Hell, I don't think anyone even owns the cable or even knows they could output TV. But man, this guy waged war with me that the lack of TV-out made the HD absolutely and utterly useless. I learned my lesson so now whenever I say anything even REMOTELY negative about the iPhone, I have my flame retardant suit on.
"Meh.. multi-touch is cool I guess."
"Multi-touch is the greatest invention of ALL time you n00b!! I will pawN you with my multi-touch light saber!!!! What are you going to do? Double tap your light saber!!!!?? HA! HA! PAWNED!!!!!"
lolz
Don't quote me on this but I THINK I remember reading that 6.5 should be released in Q1 of 2009 and that 7 should be released in 2010.
I am pretty sure about the 2010 release but sort of iffy on the Q1 of 2009 release.
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I've heard of "first half of 2009" for 6.5, which sounds ok.
And "end of 2009" for WM7, but we all know that that's NOT going to happen, and if it does, i don't see a device with WM7 before 2010, so there's lots of time...
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I've heard of "first half of 2009" for 6.5, which sounds ok.
And "end of 2009" for WM7, but we all know that that's NOT going to happen, and if it does, i don't see a device with WM7 before 2010, so there's lots of time...
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I've just bought a HD (and I like it very much, thank you) on an 18 month Orange contract. I expect my next phone to be an android or WM7 phone. My money is on Android.
HTC offer the best smartphone hardware, which is only currently available with WM. The iPhone offers the best implimented user centric interface, and android offers open source, fast efficient modern interface, and the prospect of the most versatile customisation. I expect over the next 18 month for WM to improve the accessibility of its interface, iPhone to improve its hardware and support for business level functions. Android will become available on a number of different devices (I don't count the current prototype as a serious mass market phone) and if the market takes a shine to it the potential for development and customisabiity is enormous - coupled with the fact that the interface is fast and modern, as a platform it has the potential to to develop at a rate that will put the others to shame.
For my next purchase in 18 months, my money is on android. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong if it didn't work out that way though.
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I've just bought a HD (and I like it very much, thank you) on an 18 month Orange contract. I expect my next phone to be an android or WM7 phone. My money is on Android.
HTC offer the best smartphone hardware, which is only currently available with WM. The iPhone offers the best implimented user centric interface, and android offers open source, fast efficient modern interface, and the prospect of the most versatile customisation. I expect over the next 18 month for WM to improve the accessibility of its interface, iPhone to improve its hardware and support for business level functions. Android will become available on a number of different devices (I don't count the current prototype as a serious mass market phone) and if the market takes a shine to it the potential for development and customisabiity is enormous - coupled with the fact that the interface is fast and modern, as a platform it has the potential to to develop at a rate that will put the others to shame.
For my next purchase in 18 months, my money is on android. It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong if it didn't work out that way though.
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Yes, Android has the potential to be as customisable as winmo and as pretty as iPhone OS.
And all the news lately are this manufacturer is going to make an Android phone and that manufacturer is going to make an Android phone... seems Symbian is going to have a very tough time next couple of years...
nu_D said:
Don't quote me on this but I THINK I remember reading that 6.5 should be released in Q1 of 2009 and that 7 should be released in 2010.
I am pretty sure about the 2010 release but sort of iffy on the Q1 of 2009 release.
Multi-touch is cool, first thing I did on the Macbook display at the Apple store was try it out on the trackpad- and it was at that point I found it to be useless. I am sure WM7 will implement it but I will bet my shoes that they will support other input methods for specific tasks, such as double tapping.
It would be cool to have, but to put it into perspective, I would love for Apple to boost their camera to 5 megapixels and have them ditch multi-touch or would have HTC add flash to the HD rather than multi-touch. The flash example is a much better example since it's not a deal breaker whereas the weak camera in the iPhone is.
Anyways.
Ya man, it's crazy what some people say- one guy made the lack of TV-out to be almost as bad as nuclear winter. I mean seriously, how many times a week do you use TV-out? I live on campus at a major university, which anyone will tell you has more televisions and iPhones per square yard than any other place in the world, and I have never seen anyone use their TV-out. Hell, I don't think anyone even owns the cable or even knows they could output TV. But man, this guy waged war with me that the lack of TV-out made the HD absolutely and utterly useless. I learned my lesson so now whenever I say anything even REMOTELY negative about the iPhone, I have my flame retardant suit on.
"Meh.. multi-touch is cool I guess."
"Multi-touch is the greatest invention of ALL time you n00b!! I will pawN you with my multi-touch light saber!!!! What are you going to do? Double tap your light saber!!!!?? HA! HA! PAWNED!!!!!"
lolz
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Agree with you mate.
Everyone should define his/her own requirements first before saying if a device is useless. A person who does lots of group presentation using power point and the like on the move might find TV-out indispensable. A person who need to use a device on prolonged basis wihout availability of power will find replaceable battery indispensable. Everyone's requirement is unique and the requirements must first be considered before jumping into the bandwagon to get the latest phone.
Also, just because a person "declares" a device "useless" does not make it useless. It just mean that it does not meet his requirements but may 100% meet my requirements.
Hey,
i heard that multitouch is an apple patent and therefor not available on other phones. is that true?
if so then i'm pretty sure nearly every newer phone is capable of multitouch and there may be just a little "tweak" to unlock it.
any information on this? is somebody working on this?
DarsVaeda said:
Hey,
i heard that multitouch is an apple patent and therefor not available on other phones. is that true?
if so then i'm pretty sure nearly every newer phone is capable of multitouch and there may be just a little "tweak" to unlock it.
any information on this? is somebody working on this?
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Research on capacitive vs resistive touch screen technology.
sorry?
do you mean one of the technologies do not support multitouch
or do you mean one of those technologies is patented by apple?
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sorry?
do you mean one of the technologies do not support multitouch
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Yes, and it's not ours...
is it absolutely impossible in resistitive touch screens have multi touch?!
Saw this on engadget yesterday - on the G1 though
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/...ality-integrated-headphone-jack-still-just-a/
I had always felt Android was a little held back because the CEO of Google was on the board of directors of Apple but not anymore.... http://keznews.com/6047_Google_CEO_resigns_from_Apple_s_Board_of_Directors
I wonder if this means Android will get more features that may had been held back?
DynaMight said:
I had always felt Android was a little held back because the CEO of Google was on the board of directors of Apple but not anymore.... http://keznews.com/6047_Google_CEO_resigns_from_Apple_s_Board_of_Directors
I wonder if this means Android will get more features that may had been held back?
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I'm not a director at Google or Apple, but I think I can safely say that it wasn't a case of shared directorate members causing the Android team at Google to leave features out. In other words, it wasn't like Eric Schmidt one day showed up at the Android building and told the engineers there to leave a bunch of features out because Apple said so. The rumors that multitouch was omitted due to Apple's insistence are probably just that-- rumor.
jashsu said:
I'm not a director at Google or Apple, but I think I can safely say that it wasn't a case of shared directorate members causing the Android team at Google to leave features out. In other words, it wasn't like Eric Schmidt one day showed up at the Android building and told the engineers there to leave a bunch of features out because Apple said so. The rumors that multitouch was omitted due to Apple's insistence are probably just that-- rumor.
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Multi-touch was officially added BEFORE he resigned from Apple's Board.
I think there was just too much conflict of interest for him to be effective as a board member.
Android still has a long way to go really before it can really compete at the sharp end. Its maturing at a rapid rate though thanks to its open source nature but to many that can be a double edged blade...
Enterprise users want total security and useability. Only recently we've had VPNs but the data going in/out of the G1 isn't encrypted as far as I'm aware unlike say on the BlackBerry I believe. We now have Exchange support but I don't know how robust it really is since I don't have an exchange server to test it on.
As for the multi-touch stuff, it is rumour but then I've read that somehow Apple won the patent for it, which is as ridiculous as Sega winning the patent for "alternate views in a 3D space".
Things are developing fast though considering Android's conception and hopefully in a year or two it will be mature enough on all levels.
EDIT: Just announced that Android has been ported for MIPS devices! MIPSAndroid.org You do have to register though. At the moment it is for private users only but soon it will be made public. Why is this good? Because Android could be used in multimedia set-top boxes, VoIP hardware products, and GPS devices.
However after reading up on ARM, they are set to compete in the "smartbook" range pretty soon which should be interesting. ARM is very good in terms of energy efficiency but then not many native apps are compiled with ARM support Vs say x86 with Intel's ATOM... I'm going off on a tangent ^_^;;
Android now also runs on the new Zii EGG and it seems pretty nice. http://www.zii.com/Developer/Landing.aspx
NeoBlade said:
As for the multi-touch stuff, it is rumour but then I've read that somehow Apple won the patent for it, which is as ridiculous as Sega winning the patent for "alternate views in a 3D space".
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Ok, the patent they won related to multitouch has very specific gestures patented. They haven't patented the hardware, the concept, the idea at all. Just specific gestures, and as this informative article describes, a competitor would have to violate ALL of the parts of their claims in order to infringe on their patent.
I'm trying to figure out, the Zii Egg is just a handheld computer right? Nothing else really?
Rayman0625 said:
I'm trying to figure out, the Zii Egg is just a handheld computer right? Nothing else really?
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It's a PMP. It's similar to the iPod Touch, PMP plus apps, wifi, etc.
Ahhhhh! Thank you, that's what I was thinking it was. I might pick one up but I really enjoy zunes for music needs and with the Zune HD coming out.
vr24 said:
Multi-touch was officially added BEFORE he resigned from Apple's Board.
I think there was just too much conflict of interest for him to be effective as a board member.
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really? if it was officially added, why doesn't anyone have it yet? or anyone have it working yet?
Apparently multi-touch was added into the Donut branch update.
interesting. I've had multitouch working on my browser and gallery for months now.
kusotare said:
interesting. I've had multitouch working on my browser and gallery for months now.
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your phone is all hacked out though...
but feel free to post a video showing
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Apparently multi-touch was added into the Donut branch update.
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Google is going to disable though. They said they will not officially support multi-touch yet.
Oh, yes, all hacked out. Rooted with a custom rom. WHOA. Wait, what? A custom theme too? OH GOD! A recovery image that allows me to nandroid backup? HOLY CRAP! Apps to SD? STOP THE PRESSES!
Time to complete that whole transformation on a brand new stock G1: 24 minutes...including download time. By the way, did you know that almost every single one of the custom roms on this forum opens up MT? So its not just me, theres hundreds of us that have it.
Oh, and seeing as MT is already available for root users, something tells me they're not just going to randomly pull it unless its causing serious problems.
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kusotare said:
interesting. I've had multitouch working on my browser and gallery for months now.
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How did you get MT in gallery? Does it com with the ROM youre using? Can it be ported to other ROMs?
I've had MT in browser sometime ago but disabled it since I found out I wasnLt using it (too slow to reflow text) but gallery is another thing, I see it much more usefull to have MT.
TIA
1. It's on my rom.
2. Yes.
3. You'd have to ask the developer.
I'm sure a lot of you guys saw this Engadget article talking about how the Xperia X10 is missing multitouch at a hardware level. I'm sorta hoping that the SE project manager is just trying to throw people off the trail, and that maybe the phone secretly uses touchscreen hardware similar to the Nexus One's or any of the other Android phones that "didn't have multitouch" but managed to show up with it later.
Obviously it's a bit early to expect folks to have played around with the device yet, but I'm very interested. If we can pin down for sure whether or not the hardware supports multitouch, that would be a nice thing to know.
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
hkfriends said:
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
Flamso said:
They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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I agree, i've used the phone for 2 weeks and don't miss multitouch. It isn't THAT important...
It's no deal breaker at the moment, but i must admit every now and again i wish it had it.
It seemed like an instinctual way to zoom in/out of browser,emails,maps,docs.
However I actually find myself using this handset more in portrait than landscape and the zooming keys and box works fine.
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
I was playing a fighting game on the iphone recently and was able activate special moves by pressing two buttons simultaneously.
Oh well, as long as they don't disappoint with the 16m colours and 2.1 multitouch can be overlooked for now.
Baggyb said:
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
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I agree but there is still a very long way to go. Maybe by the time we hit 3.0 and Qualcomm replace the aging ATi gfx core in their Snapdragon SoC later this year. But by that time i'll have moved on and away from the X10 They only last 4-7 months for me
Trekster said:
They only last 4-7 months for me
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Same goes for me as well I'm already eyeing up the Desire, Iphone 4g and the EVO (If UK bound).
Umm, it was confirmed by Sony early last week (Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT):
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit
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Seeing the damage that has resulted from this confirmation (many potential buyers have decided to go with other phones instead), I can't see why SE would have made this statement if it were untrue.
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
Super_Bob said:
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the X10 has dual touch I'd be really happy! But it doesn't really matter.
who cares?????>?
elson14 said:
who cares?????>?
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People playing games?
Browsing through /dev/input i found a udex 244:0 es209ra touch controller and startet to google that, ...
Someone in Japan is trying to get further information about single/multitouch of that chip/driver ...
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhpQRfyYSHH9UxvdJN5GjYIccswTA
i didnt really get the clue reading that article, ...
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The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
Rohlow said:
The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
Only one thing will help (outside of games ofcourse): GESTURES but i don't think X10 will get global gestures (not application based) either
tuxStyle said:
That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
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Yeah no kidding. The article I linked in the OP says this, even -- and it's much newer than that blog post.
Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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I agree, I think SE is trying new ways of 'zooming' (allthough MT is not all about zooming) to not get in trouble with Apple in the USA. They could introduce MT in Europe though as Apples MT patent only applies in the USA. However then they should come up with two solutions, one for USA, one for example for Europe and that would probably be to much work...
With all the bad press they received with regards to the multitouch (MT). I now believe it is hardware as SE have not tried to defend themselves.
They have actually confirmed that the hardware doesn't support MT. So it sounds as though they opted for the clearpad 1000.
The only thing that unsettles me is that when I spoke to SE direct 2-4 weeks before launch, the rep was confident that the issue was software based.
It wasn't until the SE Blog broke the news that the reps at SE changed their minds and said that it would never support MT.
I mean the Droid wasn't multi touch in the US but the UK variant was. This was all down to software, but the X10 issue somehow feels different.
My next big fear is colour support 65k, 252k or 16m. Another issue that was confirmed as a software limitation. Android 1.6 being the limiting factor to 65k.
I was told by SE 2.1 would bring 16m. However I have also heard that the actual screen supports only 252K. I'm still non the wiser.
Yea, the 65k is another problem.
SE didn't say anything about that so, is a big chance to have more than 65k after android upgrade but even if it won't have, we can't do anything about it as we will (or already did) buy a phone with 65k
This is what is written in specs
Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-erics...i-touchless-forever-its-hardware-is-to-blame/
what about the opening two lines there?
Blowtoke said:
Some new rumors suggest multitouch is possible on the X10, and 2.1 is coming in September!
h ttp://blog.mobiles.co.uk/new-phones/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-getting-multi-touch-and-android-2-1/
If this is true, this is great news.........
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Hope it's true!!
aDIsease said:
what about the opening two lines there?
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your news is older then his... its still up in the air
just wait. sony likes to say stuff thats incorrect
but i know that it will have multi because a screen like that wouldn't miss such a simple function.
I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.
kud0s said:
I think I may be the only person in the world who doesn't even want multi touch. I actually find it a pain sometimes. Much prefer double tap. I honestly can not think of an app I would need that would require multi touch.
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i m wid you...
and it has been confirmed several times by sony representatives that it will NOT support multitouch..
if it has multitouch it would be nice, but it's not necessary, i like it both ways.
personaly i think it will be with 2.1 and that sony has it not tested yet with 2.1 running or at least the persons from sony that said it wont have MT because it cant work on android 1.6.
when it's rooted and running 2.1 we can see for ourself if it works or not
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Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!
noblackthunder said:
Im Sture that its has the hardware of multi touch, And i Think the reason why se sau it Will never happening is becouse they Are not shure if they can Get it to work in time. The reason why i belive this is because they first sau maybe And then no . Why should they promis somthing they cant keep?
So to make shure nobody say they suck they just say hw sint support it. They may also have problem geting the license for mt since appel own the patent for that if im not Wrong . My xperia comes in 2 data weeeeeeeeeeeee!
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...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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...excuse me?
Anyways...here's my take on the situation.
In any event; the contradicting statements could be because:
1.) No MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones
2.) YES MT; problems in implementation means that SE can choose to go either way.
3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
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The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.
After having used my X10 for. the past week. I can honestly say that I have got used to the lack of multitouch. For some things it would be useful but not having it is (for me! ) no big issue.
I am looking forward to the long touch zoom that SE have demonstrated on Youtube though...
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this look real enough, though I really want to think that It's fake,but still, can't find anything wrong with it. probably real. we will soon know know it once the phone is rooted.
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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Well... I've FW 16 (follow the debranding tutorial to get it too).
And I can promise you: no MT...
He just zooms in one direction.
This can also be done by tap + hold.
He's just doing it very fluently...
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3.) YES MT; rumours generate more buzz, people buy more phones.
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Don't know if people would buy more phones but they surely won't buy more sony ericsson. ;-)
Look at this video, for the end of the video. Google Maps, is realized today with the firmware 016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKCBpzgKcuM&feature=player_embedded
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Haha. It works, try it yourself in Google maps. But it's got nothing to do with MT, the reason why it looks real is because it interprets the pinch as a tap.
It doesn't work if you try to zoom out.
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saltorio said:
The main problem with that assumption is with #1. No MT is bad press. Many people who were interested in the X10, and even willing to wait for it were severely put off by the announcement. I was following Twitter on the issue and there were hundreds of retweets of people baffled and pissed off by the announcement.
Now marketing people will say that any press is good press, but I have to disagree. If the bad press costs you potential customers, and lots of em, that's going to have a negative impact on sales.
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Hmm...i see your point, i wonder if you see mine?
If the X10 has no MT, and you tell everyone the truth, then the company is ultimately going to lose customers because of the fact that the product is missing a feature.
By declaring that there IS MT, the organization is being deceitful...but...
If the device was truly lacking MT...the people that wanted MT wouldn't have looked at the X10 in the first place. Meaning that if MT users weren't the target market, SE wouldn't have cared if users suddenly didn't want their phone. By falsely declaring that the X10 has MT, you get the consumer associated with the brand and they get a bit of brand loyalty.
Additionally; What you end up seeing is that all of a sudden (prior to launch in many markets) you get significantly more buzz on the phone. People are typically simple and will respond to simply hearing it mentioned.
Customers that are promised MT and find out a year later that it isn't coming will be angry, but ultimately people will still buy the phone. Also, by having the additional 'rumour' of there being MT, people will buy the phone hoping that it will come out.
Another example;
In Canada; Lord of the Rings - BluRay; currently the set only has the theatrical version on it...everyone expected there to be both the extended AND theatrical versions on the discs. Many people buy the set, are unhappy, and write seething reviews online. What is the result? People are still buying it...all that extra press actually works in favour of the suppliers/producers.
The point is, that this phone was targeted at eur 699 and a multi touch capable touchscreen would only cost just a few bucks more.
They must have been completely nuts, if they wanted to save them.
Almost all capacitive touch phones of 2009 can do it.
i have a good feeling that x10 supports MT, android 1.6 does not support MT, wait till it's rooted or when SE brings 2.1 update. Played a bit with google maps and pinch to zoom worked for me but not perfectly, the fact that 1.6 does not support multitouch could be the prob. We can say a thousand times that it will suport MT or that it won't support MT... the question can only be answered trying 2.1 android
i tried with my rhodium's stylus to use the screen, it won't work, just like my hd2 (and that one also has MT, also the x10 has an capacitive screen so a big change MT could work)
Does anyone find it ironic that nearly all HTC phones that are launching as part of the W7 campaign are essentially N1's loaded with w7.
All first gen snapdragons, they all share the N1 styling/materials.
Hopefully we can dual boot w7 due to the similarities. =D
I don't think they are but, I need to see a side by side. I thought most of the new w7 phones had better specs then the n1. But, of we have the best community of any phone out. That is why Google needs to make another dev phone it don't need to be called nexus two......
Check out engadget's front page, mozart,shobert,surround, trophy
Not terribly impressed with the W7 OS. From a UI standpoint, I could see the home screen getting very cluttered and I'm not sure if they have any sort of folder management system either to alleviate that. The multitouch zoom and kinetic scrolling in IE looked fluid but not having text reflow hurts. The Bing app was nice, as was the XBOX Live integration which is cool if you're into that but everything else was very meh. Didn't look awful like previous versions of WinMo but nothing that blew me away either. Still well behind Android and iOS even.
WP7 seems very solid in terms of how it is being handled. I love this quote:
http://twitter.com/edbott/statuses/27039322558
All Windows 7 phones will get updates at same time. Carriers don't get to block. (IOW, this ain't Android)
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Damn straight.
JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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That's weird I wonder why I even got heated in my post above
I mean hell... thats the whole reason why I got the Nexus One! to not have to deal with carrier games anymore
You meant to say that they cant control android but wield a mighty big stick with gapps didnt you? I tried cm without gapps, pretty much cuts the nuts right off the little android leaving it ineffectual.
in-ef-fec-tu-al adjective 1 Weak. 2 Without satisfactory or decisive effect. 3 Powerless, impotent. 4 Insufficent to produce the desired result.
MS does something right for once in the smartphone arena. Can't we just give credit when it's due?
Text reflow? As far as I know even in CM I have to double tap the browser page to get it to reflow.
The UI looks sweet as hell and not having to worry about carrier tied updates?
Priceless.
I really didn't like the W7 UI, no place for wallpapers and that it's a very negative thing for me
It had a very nice style IMO. I doubt I'll move from my N1, but it's definitely gonna be an interesting game here on out.
ap3604 said:
Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...
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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...
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Verizon doesn't seem to care. This does work though it's how android took off. However, not having gapps is more detremental to Google than carriers. At this point in the game android can survive without native Google applications.
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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So basically you're justifying carriers holding off hardware updates so that people can dump their 6 month old phone for a new one just to get from 2.1 to 2.2?
That's BS and you know it.
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
Hardware is just another BS excuse. 2.2 runs fine on even the HTC Dream.
mynameisjon said:
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
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Android sold more units in Q2 2010 than iOS, so surely its already real competition?
Is just me or is one of the biggest faults with android the various phone form factors that make it impossible to standardize any accessories? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to be locked into a single phone running android but it seems the phone manufacturers could maybe design their phones so they have common ports for accessories. I guess we are lucky we at least got a desktop and car dock. Even cars are coming with iphone, ipad docks, you'll never see an android dock.
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Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Google, from a business perspective, doesn't need to control android.
its not its number one priority. yes it could try to twist the carrier's arms, and yes most would fold, but even if only 1 of the big 4 refuses to fold and stops carrying android devices google losses.
google doesnt make money off of android. it makes money off of ads. it just wants you to watch the ads through its portals. you might say they lose that when carriers choose bing over google, but really most of the ads (in apps, around the web) are controlled by google because google owns the online ad market. in fact, they will make money off of the spread of windows 7 phones as well. they entered the mobile business just to make sure neither apple nor microsoft could cut them out of the mobile internet user base and therefore limit the number of users viewing their ads.
btw we are in the nexus one section of xda, which by definition means you cant complain about waiting for updates and carrier and manufacturer crippling. (ha! see what i did there?)