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HTC XD??

Remember the official twitter anoucement in which the representative said something like "by the time we bring touch HD to US, there will be better phones for you guys then", or something like that?
wmpoweruser claimed to have a source saying the new XD (probably not the real name) makes touch HD looks childish in comparison.
Personally I know it's possible for newer phones to kick HD's rear, but to the degree of "pale in comparison" is unthinkable... unless... flash + android + capacitive touch??? my dream...
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1292

on another thought, this could be the same phone as Area-Mobile's claim of the new phone that's similar to HD but has Android
http://www.areamobile.de/news/9999.html

Already a thread of this

May b it's the combination of tegra, wm7, android.
May b come with HD camera with flash ?

Where is there already a thread on xd? I think the improved version will have built in storage (8gig), flash, haptic feedback, and either winmobile 7 or graphics chip.

tboy2000 said:
Where is there already a thread on xd? I think the improved version will have built in storage (8gig), flash, haptic feedback, and either winmobile 7 or graphics chip.
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There isn't really a thread for the XD, namely because we don't know of any Touch "XD". So far it's just a presumed name for whatever next big device might be making, particularly because HTC hinted at a new device when it annouced the HD would not appear in the US.
Of course shortly after that announcement, the HTC T8290 was leaked, and so there are some quick assumptions that the T8290 = Touch XD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435096
But again the XD doesn't really exist (yet?). And the T8290 adds WiMAX, which means it's unlikely to appear Stateside anytime soon (at least not until Sprint launches more WiMAX markets); therefore the T8290 probably is not the so-called XD.
All in all, there really isn't any information, except for what little information Mobile-Review "spilled", so everything is purely up to speculation for now.

Sorry because orb3000 wrote "Already a thread of this" i read it as already a thread ON this". My mistake.

Someone did say that news on HD will b old news bcoz some cool stuff is coming. But an HD with WiMAX is not cool as many countries does not have WiMAX yet. And it seems like it doesn't come with 3.5mm jack.
So does anyone think it is cool stuff ? Cold stuff may be.
T8289, to me, is just Touch Diamond with large screen and WiMAX. That's all.

trust me on this. nothing too much better is planned. thats all im saying. atleast not until a bit into 09.

Agreed. The HD is currently the most interesting WinMo thing to come from HTC, as it is an edition of the Diamond that goes quite a way to show that occasionally, HTC DOES listen to customers. When they come out with a device that does Not have some of the most important HD features and is targeted at only some specific markets (the selling point being WiMax ofcourse) I'd hardly call it "the device that makes the HD pale in comparison", or even a more advanced device to begin with.

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trust me on this. nothing too much better is planned. thats all im saying. atleast not until a bit into 09.
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You're right. The HD will be the best thing at least until Q3/2009 probably. But then there's goning to be something revolutionary.

I really think the Touch HD is good enough for most people. What could possibly be in the XD and not in the HD? HD is beautifully designed compared to the new WIMAX one which is horrible. Maybe the XD will have 8 or 16gig built in. Well we can easily add 8 or 16 gig microsd cards. Maybe XD will have a camera flash? Okay but a slight improvement over HD. Maybe XD will have Windows Mobile 7? Well I am sure the talented folk on here will make a compatible rom for HD users. Maybe XD will have Android? Well we are a Windows Mobile community and it will take a long time for Android to catch up with the thousands of apps out for PPC. Maybe it will have a 4" screen? Well I don't want too big a casing. 3.8" is perfect. Maybe it will have the new graphics chip? The HD seems fast and more than capable to play movies and games.
I am not sure waiting and waiting for the XD version will be so worthwhile in my opinion, especially as we don't know what we are waiting for.
I can't wait for HD. The PERFECT phone (in my opinion of course)

i am pretty sure it wonÄt have WINMO 7 as it will not be out before the end of next year. and even then companys will have to test it before phones come out. so i don't expect WINMO 7 devices to see the light of day befor christmas 2009

For sure the next revolution in mobile phones will be the implementation of tegra or another piece of hardware very similar to tegra. That will then open up the possibilities of how we interact with our phones. I can't wait, but to hang on for the NEXT big thing all the time simply means you miss out on the currently available goodness!

tboy2000 said:
What could possibly be in the XD and not in the HD?
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I can't wait for HD. The PERFECT phone (in my opinion of course)
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I bet my money on that XD will have WM7, Capactive touch screen and Tegra. the rest, such as flash or built-in storage are minor things.
The reason being that one of WM7's _suggested_ (not minimum) requirement is capacitive touch screen, it has been mentioned more than once that microsoft wants WM& to be finger friendly and touch oriented instead of using a stylus, so those two go in hand in hand most LIKELY. Nvidia also annouced that they are focusing SOLELY on WM7 for tegra APX chip, so that goes hand in hand.
After searching and watching all the Tegra demo videos online, i believe this feature/hardware in itself will trump HD right now. But that won't happen till 6 month ~ a year later. I'm talking about the Tegra APX chip, not the 600 or 650, which may come earlier but are not targeted towards smartphones.
The final reason of why all these are connected is: in the original twitter of why HD is not released in US, the htc rep said "by the time we bring HD to US, there will be better things". The general trend based on my observation is that if someting (phone) is released in europe/asia first, it will be at least 6 month, till the same product passes the FCC certification + carrier certification + all that shenanigan. The same is especially true for US's GSM carrier, just look at how much delay Blackberry Bold is experiencing with AT&T's certification. Not saying it's a bad thing for them to do extra testing, but this delay just fits with what the HTC rep said. and i totally belive at the rate HTC is going, in 6+ month, they will have something that "makes HD look pale in comparison"

It won't be NVidia Tegra but probably Qualcomm or TI with Snapdragon and new OMAPs that feature 1GHz processors (+ Tegra perhaps?).
That's what the rumor about the HTC XD is about probably (well, even HTC employees don't know for sure what MR was talking about).
But it will eventually come before WM7 which means no capacitive touch but that's not for sure too.
That's everything that is known. I tell you because the speculations in this thread are going crazy...
And it is for sure that the HD will be the flagship device for at least half a year if not one year so go for it.

maati said:
That's everything that is known. I tell you because the speculations in this thread are going crazy...
And it is for sure that the HD will be the flagship device for at least half a year if not one year so go for it.
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I completely agree with this. The speculations are starting to look more like dreaming away on the ultimate phone, and "by the time the HD comes to the US" certainly does not refer to a time period of over a year from now, and before that hardly anybody realistically expects Tegra APX to be available. Same goes for WM7. Of course in a year from now there will be things that make the HD look pale in comparison. Same goes for hardware in a lot of segments, CPU's and GPU's experience huge developments per year. With that in mind you might as well wait for the rest of your life because every time something comes out something superior is already in the making.
I'm getting the HD because it will definitely rock, and I know it will really take some time before we see anything that will truly make the HD "pale in comparison".

maati said:
You're right. The HD will be the best thing at least until Q3/2009 probably. But then there's goning to be something revolutionary.
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I don't see any revolution coming in 2009. Nothing the same scale as the introduction of touchscreen, camera or gps.
All these went through long period of prototypes, reduced functionality or usage of external devices before being fully integrated in consumer devices.
There is nothing revolutionary now under development that will hit the streets in one year time. Just higher data transfer speed, higher megapixel count, higher MHz cpus, more bling-bling in the interface, better game/video framerates, better internet support, in one word evolution.
The next revolution will probably be the substitution of arm with desktop-like x86 cpus, when the power consumption will drop about 10 times compared to what Via Nano and Intel Atom can do today. And that will be in 3 to 5 years time, when they go to 10nm or so fabrication process.
By that time we will plug the LCDs in our HTCs and play Half Life with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse

Touch HD Pro?? Please let it be a reality

There are rumours on the the good old WWW that the next logical step by HTC will be a keyboard version of the touch HD, probably called Touch HD Pro.
Great though the screen size is on the touch HD, being a Touch Pro owner, I just cannot overlook the fact that it doen't have a keyboard, flash and TV-out.
Now if they were to Diamond--> touch Pro upgrade on the touch HD, by including the above mentioned items, then WOW, absolutely the best phone ever hands down in my eyes.
http://mobilitytoday.com/news/008996/htc_touch_hd_pro_maybe
http://stuff.tv/News/HTC-readying-Touch-HD-Pro/11074/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/news/2008/10/22/HTC-Qwerty--Touch-HD-Pro--In-Development/p1

I am not so fond of that idea.
You better go for a UMPC then.

If they can make that work with the same thickness as the Touch HD, I'll get it. Otherwise no thanks.

Please move this discussion to another thread (rumours/wish lists/etc.)
Hi,
while I also think this is an interesting topic, I really feel that this is not really related to the Touch HD. A "Touch HD pro" or however you call it will not be the Touch HD or Blackstone. This is at least the 3rd thread that was started about such a Touch HD with a keyboard. I think all these threads should be put together and might be collected to general discussions about upcoming phones or rumours rather than being discussed within the Blackstone thread.
This is of course not meant to be offensive and is not meant to say that a Blackstone w kbrd would not make sense ... I just say that we should discuss the Blackstone here.
Eriol

none taken, i just thought this might affect potential touch HD buyers, and they are more likely to be looking in this section than any other.

the rumor is here
lol

It's not even a rumour. tazbo28 was only playing with PhotoShop and a 3D modelling program. All the sites that mention this are using his original images; there's nothing new.
It's pure fantasy!

SiliconS said:
It's not even a rumour. tazbo28 was only playing with PhotoShop and a 3D modelling program. All the sites that mention this are using his original images; there's nothing new.
It's pure fantasy!
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Agree but this is the way things start mate... with a wish, a fantasy a rumour...
And this one has spreaded all over the Net for some reason, people is asking for it and manufacturers live from the things we want, so perhaps HTC have noticed (Or they already have considered)
So let´s continue with this rumour or fantasy and let´s wait to become reality!

Nevertheless...
I would not be surprised if there would be a HD Pro...
But there are absolutley no facts to back that up.

definition of rumor from dictionary.com: a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation and certainty as to facts
This is exactly what this is, if it was substantiated, it would be a fact but its not. It is a rumor

billu said:
definition of rumor from dictionary.com: a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation and certainty as to facts
This is exactly what this is, if it was substantiated, it would be a fact but its not. It is a rumor
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So if just for fun I started a thread with vaguely realistic PhotoShopped pictures I'd made of a device with a full XGA (1024x768) screen, 104-key hardware keyboard including trackball and touchpad, inbuilt projector, 10MP SLR camera with zoom, weighing less than 100 grammes, having a skin material whose colour could be changed through the OS, and whose media player could be controlled by telepathic thought alone, you'd actually believe that there was a rumour that this would be HTC's next model in the line-up? You wouldn't dismiss this as simply a baseless fantasy and a bit of fun?
There's a world of difference between a rumour and a fantasy. Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is. Fantasy PhotoShop pictures by a random user of a forum are not good enough to start a rumour, regardless of how appealing the device might actually be to many people.
Call the HD Pro story a fantasy or a dream, for sure, but it's not a rumour. One day our dreams might come true and the fantasy will become a rumour...
PS. My device is called the HTC Tardis if you want to look it up.

SiliconS said:
Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is.
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How about this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2793782&postcount=6
Surur

surur said:
How about this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2793782&postcount=6
Surur
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Depends who Pawel062 is and whether he/she has any connection with HTC's operations.
What irritates me is not whether the Touch HD Pro is a rumour or a fantasy, but the fact that several websites have siezed upon these fantasy pictures as though they're proof of HTC's next model and then people here are thinking they're real.
But I think I may have had too much coffee since none of it really matters and my fingers are jittery.

SiliconS said:
So if just for fun I started a thread with vaguely realistic PhotoShopped pictures I'd made of a device with a full XGA (1024x768) screen, 104-key hardware keyboard including trackball and touchpad, inbuilt projector, 10MP SLR camera with zoom, weighing less than 100 grammes, having a skin material whose colour could be changed through the OS, and whose media player could be controlled by telepathic thought alone, you'd actually believe that there was a rumour that this would be HTC's next model in the line-up? You wouldn't dismiss this as simply a baseless fantasy and a bit of fun?
There's a world of difference between a rumour and a fantasy. Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is. Fantasy PhotoShop pictures by a random user of a forum are not good enough to start a rumour, regardless of how appealing the device might actually be to many people.
Call the HD Pro story a fantasy or a dream, for sure, but it's not a rumour. One day our dreams might come true and the fantasy will become a rumour...
PS. My device is called the HTC Tardis if you want to look it up.
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I gladly invite you to start that thread with your invented device and let´s see the results. As I pointed before manufacturers make their buissness from that customers want, and this rumour/wish/fantasy was created not only because one person, it´s because a lot of XDA users want this to become true, and I insist rumour or not all HD touch Pro belivers (Like me) are making noise, and that´s the first step to make things happen.
This: http://gizmodo.com/368310/htcs-patent-shows-new-type-of-qwerty-slider also started as a rumour...
Good day to all,

SiliconS said:
So if just for fun I started a thread with vaguely realistic PhotoShopped pictures I'd made of a device with a full XGA (1024x768) screen, 104-key hardware keyboard including trackball and touchpad, inbuilt projector, 10MP SLR camera with zoom, weighing less than 100 grammes, having a skin material whose colour could be changed through the OS, and whose media player could be controlled by telepathic thought alone, you'd actually believe that there was a rumour that this would be HTC's next model in the line-up? You wouldn't dismiss this as simply a baseless fantasy and a bit of fun?
There's a world of difference between a rumour and a fantasy. Rumours are founded on some sort of reliable source, no matter how secret and unofficial the story is. Fantasy PhotoShop pictures by a random user of a forum are not good enough to start a rumour, regardless of how appealing the device might actually be to many people.
Call the HD Pro story a fantasy or a dream, for sure, but it's not a rumour. One day our dreams might come true and the fantasy will become a rumour...
PS. My device is called the HTC Tardis if you want to look it up.
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If you were to start this thread, it will be an isolated opinion and there are millions of those on the net. I dont believe there is anything contradictory between the definition and this story. I understand that these pictures are just mock ups and computer generated, and might end up being wishful thinking in the end but I would class the story as being in general circulation. This is probably a case of extrapolating HTCs recent updates to various product lines and coming up with a logical next step for the touch HD.
A rumour started by a reliable source might mean more people believe it, but i dont believe the reliability or otherwise of the source has a bearing on whether it is a rumour or not, its a case of whether it is in general circulation. You cant always verify the reliability of the source in order to decide whether to catagorise it as a rumour or not.
Anyway, I for one am fantasising/dreaming that it comes true.

billu said:
If you were to start this thread, it will be an isolated opinion and there are millions of those on the net. I dont believe there is anything contradictory between the definition and this story. I understand that these pictures are just mock ups and computer generated, and might end up being wishful thinking in the end but I would class the story as being in general circulation. This is probably a case of extrapolating HTCs recent updates to various product lines and coming up with a logical next step for the touch HD.
A rumour started by a reliable source might mean more people believe it, but i dont believe the reliability or otherwise of the source has a bearing on whether it is a rumour or not, its a case of whether it is in general circulation. You cant always verify the reliability of the source in order to decide whether to catagorise it as a rumour or not.
Anyway, I for one am fantasising/dreaming that it comes true.
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Completly agree mate!
Just want to add an important point here:
XDA-Devs has a high reputation and is respected around the net, so this not means that all the information generated here will be acurate, but this is a point to add to our discusion.
Cheers,

Rumor? Hype? Fantasy? Pleeding? Asking for the impossible?...etc.
Jeez, I thought I just stepped into a ****ing Apple fanboy forum! LOL
Seriously, whether it's HTC or another ODM that makes doesn't matter. It'll come eventually when there's enough technological advance to make it a reality.
It it was made right now, it would've been nearly as thick as Touch Pro.
Meanwhile I'm still trying to get over how HTC made the X1 so thin when compared to Touch Pro and G900.

thats another thing, I dont know why people think touch pro is so thick, it is actually less thick than the nokia n95 and no one complains about its thickness.

Farewell windows mobile

As all of you, I've been with pocket pc since my hp 1945. Back then ppc was the most advance mobile os out there. I dreamed of a time they would converge this device with a phone to make the worlds greatest all in one. Then it came , the device that started my addiction with windows mobile phone, the imate jAm. From then on it was an exciting journey as I bought new phones when they cAme out. Each one better than the last and more stable. This journey climaxed when I bought my best pocket pc phone ever.. The htc advAntage. I loved that thing. Huge screen graphic processor, fast CPU , 8 gb HD . But alas my advantage was dropped one too mAny times so it was sold. Not wNting to get the same phone twice I purchased the AT&T tilt, then the xperia. Now for the point of my post. Since the begining to about when the first iPhone 3g came out I'd sAy ppc was very much better than the rest. Now after playing with the 3gs iPhone I can see with this device ppc is now in the dust. It does most things our ppc can do , but most of all more and more developers r writing awesome apps for this device. And because it's made by one company and also very popular there are tons of accessories for it. I mean there were times like with my advantage that I couldn't even get a proper case for it. As for os iPhone is wAaY more stAble, windowS is taking too long. They started this race but R finishing up last with their shotty work and programming. I meaN the only reSon I buy htc products is becUse of this awesome site. That's pretty sad when ur only selling point is a site that has no affilation with u but make ur buggy product useable. So with this post I sAy farewell ppc thank you all the chiefs that made All those custome Roms I've used over the past ten years. I've jumped ship and have bought a 3gs.
Ps xperia was the straw that broke the camels back. Worst ppc phone ever. From case problem to shotty os

Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.

ratchetnclank said:
Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.
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hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.

You could summarise the OP into one sentence.
"The iPhone has a swish GUI and is better supported for apps than the Xperia, so I'm getting one."
My response would be,
"I prefer my device to have a keyboard, and while the Xperia isn't perfect, it has a spreadsheet app out of the box... for free."

It is not our fault that you cannot configure your device properly. Feel free to buy a featurephone like the iPhail. It is simple, not functional and has crappy hardware and software.
WinMo is for tech savvy people who understand modern tech. iCrap is for the ones who want everything configured and controlled for them. The latter will fall behind modern society, because of lack of understanding how things work.
Read this and pay special attention to the links haha:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529998

Let's not be Haters
If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.

Have fun with your iPhone 3GS - seriously No bad feelings here (why shouldn't there be any lol ).
However, I think you made 2 mistakes here. The first one, was getting an Xperia in the first place. If you now can live without the full qwerty keyboard, you should have gotten a Touch HD. Thats more of a competitor to the iPhone than the Xperia.
The second mistake: You switched when the WM platform finally has come to a point, where almost all new devices feature a WVGA screen, which means, that developers will have less problems to build apps AND WM 6.5 with its marketplace is standing right on the doorstep. The other thing here is, that Microsoft won't be that fussy when it comes to authorising apps to the marketplace.

I personally am not going to jump ship to the iPhone. I'm satisfied with the Xperia, but am really pissed with the problems of the WM ecosystem. No one stop shopping for apps. No music or app downloads straight to the phone (that Handango InHand app was crap!). And, come on guys, customizing a phone and voiding the warranty IS NOT A FEATURE!
I am not even interested in the X2. Hardware alone isn't going to convince me to buy a new phone. It has to have a great ecosystem and UI...period. I'm guessing X3 with WM7 would be my next phone, but if it's crap, then I'm jumping ship to something better (even iPhone 4). My next phone is going to have a really well-designed and clever OS on top of superior hardware. Features should not be half-assed but properly integrated into the whole phone. Good example is Copy and Paste. Many complaints the iPhone didn't have it, but now it's got it and it is very well implemented. Apple didn't just throw some bull**** into their phone to make the feature list longer. My next mobile OS will have to be designed with that same mentality and attention to user-experience.
I'll stick with my X1 for another generation, but next generation, the company with the best designed OS and ecosystem will get my business.

Besides the question if the iPhone is the better phone (Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me, the iPhone is definetely lacking some things) i really have to say that somehow i get the impression, that WinMO got stuck.
A few years back, it was the ultimate OS for powerful PPC and later PPCPhones, but that was because it was the only real one. Microsoft just sat back and sold and sold without improving. I mean even the devices 5 years back already had 400 MhZ and were as fast as todays devices and if you take a look at Windows Mobile 2003 SE and Windows Mobile 6.1 you can't see significant changes at first glance. I've had many WinMo Phones throughout the years and i will stick with it for now, because I love Windwos Mobile and all the functionality that comes along with it and appart from a keyboard i am still missing some other things with other phones like the iPhone, but i guess, if Microsoft does not realize that the Phone OS Market is now an open and very competitive one and does not improve their OS within the next year (Speed is a great factor, other OS are way faster) more and more people will come to the point where WinMo is no longer the OS of choice. As for myself, more and more things that "disgusted" me with the first iphone, get lost more and more, as apple improves the whole package. Alright, an iPhone with Keyboard is way off for now, but who knows
Just my two cents =)

If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.

The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise

I think the X1 is really good, it's the best WinMo device i've ever had. There is no real comparable device out there regarding the Hardware.
But right now it looks like this is the climax of Windows Mobile and if this stays like that till the next time i have to get a new device i will be looking seriously into other Phones, because my love to WinMo is not unconditionally, they really need to do something

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hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.
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Word! **** the iPhone.

WinMo and X1 is good enough that I'll wait for WM7 to give it a chance (and I'll put the OFFICIAL WM6.5 on my X1). But after that, I'll have to jump ship to a/the keyboard iPhone or something else if Microsoft and SE doesn't get it's s**t together by next generation of phones (The X3).

I have to agree. I updated my X1 using the SE update service to R3A and now get regular crashes. I'm trying to find away to roll back but not having any luck. As mentioned before, cooking your ROM is all well and good to improve your phone, but it voids your warranty and shouldn't be needed. Lazysoft should start investing some of their vast mountain of money into programmers who can produce a stable, fast and easily customizable OS. As Apple slowly realise their mistakes with the iPhone and introduce firmware upgrades to compensate WM is going nowhere and offering nothing new or improved. As soon as iPhone is capable of everything other phones are, it's game over for WM.

I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.

WhyBe said:
If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.
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Keyboard will not be a substitute for all the features it lacks.
dadeadman said:
The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise
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Agreed, but not 100%. Function beats aesthetics any day. WinMo has cool looking apps as well.
THJahar said:
I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.
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I thought the same thing. Maybe a Mod can drop by and tell us if we are right?

Hannigan174 said:
If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.
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I had an iFail for a month (back in the 2G when you could jailbreak without contract)
I am happy I don't have it any more
Crappy keyboard, with only qwerty, no 3rd party keyboard support, apps were alright, nothing incredible, no real bluetooth (A2DP, tethering etc) and no hardware keyboard, hardware was mediocre at best and the camera sucked
Took them 2 years to sort out some of those issues, hardware/camera still suck and the apps.....lets just say I wouldn't take a lot of them if you paid me, not to mention being forced to use iTuneDeaf, I'll stick to my media players that support OGG thanks.

I am quite impressed with the iPhone 3GS, I do not understand how they can make the MP3 player so remarkably fast compared to any windows mobile mp3 program + phone. I know capacitive screen takes away the need to apply pressure but the iPhone OS looks as if it takes alot of processing power and yet 600 Megahertz is almost the same as 528 and yet iphone is blazing fast.
The same also applies to the Ipod Touch which has a 400 mhz processor.
I am just so discontented that the iPhone os is not good for automated apps and modification apps. If it had those features + a true file system than I would consider.
This is the reason why all iphones and ipod touch have mostly games and games and games, because it can only support certain types of foreground apps (since the Mac OS isn't designed for background apps)

I pity all the iDiots......
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/video-iphone-copy-and-paste-is-a-pretty-incredible-thing-sur/

Why I am not buying this phone..!

I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!

It's true that no TV Out is sad, but in which case should it be usefull?
I always have my computer when i want to watch thing on "big" screen...

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I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
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Never needed a TV out on my phone and don't think I ever will. Guess its time to say bye bye! Main reason I stay with HTC is for the overwhelming support on this forum. Good look on finding that with the Omnia.

Wait til the Tegra phones start coming out, then it's more likely to happen.

I think the usefulness of TV out speaks for itself which is why it is already on the main contender flagship phones and on other HTC devices. Watching movies with freinds, showing photo slidehows with family, business presentations etc, the uses are endless.

I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?

One thing i don't understand... You'r Coming to this Forum to say that you Wont buy a hd2? It's like I go to a ford seller to say that I won't buy a ford... So what?

This comes from the frustration I have witht he HD v1 and HTC's dealing with drivers and video performance (still unaddressed). like me a lot of people were hoping this was going to be the phone the HD1 wasnt, disapointment, not anger really.

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I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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haha, well said. +1

12aon said:
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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+1 here as well.
I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. Yes, the mobile phone market is now about having as many features as possible on 1 device, but how many people make use of all the features? The more features they can cram into one device the more compromises they make over the quality of them all. There's two lists of requirements, 'must haves' and 'nice to haves', video call, TV-out better camera are all part of the nice to have list. HTC has always been a business oriented company focusing on the needs of the business and they have never set out to be the best of the best. It's was only when Samsung and Apple arrived on the scene that everyone demanded HTC to be more consumer focused. HTC are making slow progress to addressing this issue and they'll slowly get there. Look at Blackberries, they're still going strong and most of their phones have half the features we're expecting these days.
So, if you don't like the HD2, don't complain, you either like it or hate it! Move on!

TOUCH HD vs. OMNIA II vs. HD 2
Hello
I'm coming from an ETEN X500 over a N95 for two years and I want to go back to touchscreen now. I know the usage of the HD from a friend of mine, the Iphone and I have played around for 3 Hours last Thursday with the OMNIA II i8000.
The result is, that the OMNIA has TV Out but you can not use this thing in everydays life. Its awfull slow, the UI is horrible and the touchscreen is bad.
The AMOLED is great, ok. But at the end I think Samsung needs about 2 generations of phones to reach the Touch HD. And if the HD 2 is only half as good as the reviews say its much better than the Samsung devices.
The lag of TV-Out is sad anyway.
Bye

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I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
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your posting is just to personal. I saw numerous complaints about lack video out, but I'm sure just a small amount of users like you will be disappointed, but is this a real deal breaker? It doesn't bother me a tiny bit at all. I was disappointed only by the lack of front camera, but I wouldn't make a thread trying to tell everyone HD2 sucks because it doesn't have one for me. How many phones are that perfect so far? HD2 is pretty much the most perfect phone to me and I'm sure to many others that didn't even bother about your complaint here.

12aon said:
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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You are one Cool dude

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haha, well said. +1
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Signed!
Another +1

lol, what a load of lovely "emotional" reactions, if you agree with 12aon's post, in that you actually understand what he was saying then some of you should be asking youselves why you bothered to post and did not just ignore my comments...

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One thing i don't understand... You'r Coming to this Forum to say that you Wont buy a hd2? It's like I go to a ford seller to say that I won't buy a ford... So what?
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lol damn right, +10

Im not buying the HD2 because i dont like the boot screen!

nicelad_uk said:
Never needed a TV out on my phone and don't think I ever will. Guess its time to say bye bye! Main reason I stay with HTC is for the overwhelming support on this forum. Good look on finding that with the Omnia.
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I don't see the need for TV out either...with a 360 and upnp I can stream from any of my laptops etc, and frankly if I'm brining media elsewhere I'm not going to cross my fingers that whereever I go is going to have the right connector (vga vs hdmi vs component vs svideo vs rca etc).
It's too bad that this is such an important thing to you- my real concerns are lack of a d-pad, but even that won't stop me from picking one of these up like free booze at an AA convention.

clearly you all have much more money than I do, when I buy a new gadget, (now lets not pretend it is anything else as if you just wanted a phone you would still have your 10 year old nokia), I want to get my moneys worth. For me to shell out another effective £500+ on a phone it has to be a decent upgrade.. what are we really getting here?, big screen, so what?, same res as hd1, compass, give me a break, speed - granted you get speed but with the right ROM the HD1 is more than adequate to do most things, albeit with a bit of reenocding.

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clearly you all have much more money than I do, when I buy a new gadget, (now lets not pretend it is anything else as if you just wanted a phone you would still have your 10 year old nokia), I want to get my moneys worth. For me to shell out another effective £500+ on a phone it has to be a decent upgrade.. what are we really getting here?, big screen, so what?, same res as hd1, compass, give me a break, speed - granted you get speed but with the right ROM the HD1 is more than adequate to do most things, albeit with a bit of reenocding.
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I am no HD Owner but from my raph point of perspective this is a pretty decent upgrade and I feel after all this time squeezing the most out of my raph that this phone out of the box doesn't need any squeezing. When I will cook a ROM for this phone I'm going to make sure that everthing that works now is stays that way and loose the extra's.
If you have a chance to test it or check it out, I would recommend doing so you might be a little more suprised then you suspect. That being said there are still a couple of decent devices in HTC's line up, and if you are HTC HD you might just have to hold on to your HD for a bit, as its probably to young for you to throw it aside ,
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Let's talk multitouch. Can we verify that it's a hardware limitation?

I'm sure a lot of you guys saw this Engadget article talking about how the Xperia X10 is missing multitouch at a hardware level. I'm sorta hoping that the SE project manager is just trying to throw people off the trail, and that maybe the phone secretly uses touchscreen hardware similar to the Nexus One's or any of the other Android phones that "didn't have multitouch" but managed to show up with it later.
Obviously it's a bit early to expect folks to have played around with the device yet, but I'm very interested. If we can pin down for sure whether or not the hardware supports multitouch, that would be a nice thing to know.

Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?

hkfriends said:
Another thought SE is not talking about multi touch ....
Isn't it being owned by Apple?
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They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.

Flamso said:
They don't talk about anything more or less. They have said that the X10 isn't capable of more than one press at a time. No deal breaker for me though.
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I agree, i've used the phone for 2 weeks and don't miss multitouch. It isn't THAT important...

It's no deal breaker at the moment, but i must admit every now and again i wish it had it.
It seemed like an instinctual way to zoom in/out of browser,emails,maps,docs.
However I actually find myself using this handset more in portrait than landscape and the zooming keys and box works fine.
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
I was playing a fighting game on the iphone recently and was able activate special moves by pressing two buttons simultaneously.
Oh well, as long as they don't disappoint with the 16m colours and 2.1 multitouch can be overlooked for now.

Baggyb said:
I think as android's gaming platform develops it will become a more of a requirement.
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I agree but there is still a very long way to go. Maybe by the time we hit 3.0 and Qualcomm replace the aging ATi gfx core in their Snapdragon SoC later this year. But by that time i'll have moved on and away from the X10 They only last 4-7 months for me

Trekster said:
They only last 4-7 months for me
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Same goes for me as well I'm already eyeing up the Desire, Iphone 4g and the EVO (If UK bound).

Umm, it was confirmed by Sony early last week (Sumit Malhotra confirms no MT):
Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.
That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.
We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.
Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.
Regards,
Sumit
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Seeing the damage that has resulted from this confirmation (many potential buyers have decided to go with other phones instead), I can't see why SE would have made this statement if it were untrue.

Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!

Super_Bob said:
Have worked with a few companies over the years who have made big official statements like this which actually turned out to be wrong, unless someone looks under the hood and checks the hardware themsevles i'd take it with a pinch of salt.
NB. I'm not deluding myself in anyway or building up false hope, I love this phone and it would be nice to have multi touch but i'm not overly bothered!
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Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the X10 has dual touch I'd be really happy! But it doesn't really matter.

who cares?????>?

elson14 said:
who cares?????>?
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People playing games?

Browsing through /dev/input i found a udex 244:0 es209ra touch controller and startet to google that, ...
Someone in Japan is trying to get further information about single/multitouch of that chip/driver ...
http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhpQRfyYSHH9UxvdJN5GjYIccswTA
i didnt really get the clue reading that article, ...
Bax

The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)

Rohlow said:
The X10 might get multi-touch. It is still being considered. hxxp://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2009/11/05/answers-to-some-of-your-questions/ (first question)
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That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
Only one thing will help (outside of games ofcourse): GESTURES but i don't think X10 will get global gestures (not application based) either

tuxStyle said:
That's old.
From last year.
IF you google it you will see, another SE rep said is a hardware issue and X10 will never have MT.
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Yeah no kidding. The article I linked in the OP says this, even -- and it's much newer than that blog post.

Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?

pinkmota said:
Does anyone believe that whether X10 have multi touch or not will ultimately depends on the lawsuit between Apple and HTC? It is obvious that Apple is suing HTC for patents infringement and multi-touch is one of them.
It is only right that SE don't depend/consider on the multi touch for now. Wait for the case to settle and announce accordingly. Agreed?
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I agree, I think SE is trying new ways of 'zooming' (allthough MT is not all about zooming) to not get in trouble with Apple in the USA. They could introduce MT in Europe though as Apples MT patent only applies in the USA. However then they should come up with two solutions, one for USA, one for example for Europe and that would probably be to much work...

With all the bad press they received with regards to the multitouch (MT). I now believe it is hardware as SE have not tried to defend themselves.
They have actually confirmed that the hardware doesn't support MT. So it sounds as though they opted for the clearpad 1000.
The only thing that unsettles me is that when I spoke to SE direct 2-4 weeks before launch, the rep was confident that the issue was software based.
It wasn't until the SE Blog broke the news that the reps at SE changed their minds and said that it would never support MT.
I mean the Droid wasn't multi touch in the US but the UK variant was. This was all down to software, but the X10 issue somehow feels different.
My next big fear is colour support 65k, 252k or 16m. Another issue that was confirmed as a software limitation. Android 1.6 being the limiting factor to 65k.
I was told by SE 2.1 would bring 16m. However I have also heard that the actual screen supports only 252K. I'm still non the wiser.

Yea, the 65k is another problem.
SE didn't say anything about that so, is a big chance to have more than 65k after android upgrade but even if it won't have, we can't do anything about it as we will (or already did) buy a phone with 65k
This is what is written in specs