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Dunno what people's beef is on here ?
Yes there are new members and so on, but some of the foul mouthed attacks I have seen here is disgraceful.
If your mother/wife/daughter or whatever logged on here would you want her to be subjected to such abuse ? No? Thought so!
Tone it down please - if you don't have anything constructive to add to a post, don't bother.
If it makes you feel better about yourself because you feel superior as you know more about HTC/Windows mobile etc. than other people - go back to your ZX81 or whatever but please stop the swearing and nastiness.
Sorry, just never seen such animosity on a forum in my life!
I wish I could say I feel your pain man, but I am a noob as well however I feel the more seasoned vets on here are just tired of the same stupid repetitive questions typically posted by none other than us new guys. I am not saying its right but the way I see it, its kinda like having a little brother or sister that keeps asking the same question over and over and over again while your trying to get something done. My occupation is sales and has been for almost a decade and the first thing I always try and do is look at something from all sides. In doing this it A) Makes me do a search before asking and B) Not feel as bad if I get checked by someone. Just my .42. Additionally I have found if I really cannot find something then I will pm someone I feel is approachable and let them educate me.
From what I have seen lately, the "abuse" has toned down big time around here, were you recently flamed or something, that made you think this?
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If your mother/wife/daughter or whatever logged on here would you want her to be subjected to such abuse ? No? Thought so!
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bit sexist
Truly!
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From what I have seen lately, the "abuse" has toned down big time around here, were you recently flamed or something, that made you think this?
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I agree. The replies on this site have become MUCH more mature, helpful, and professional in the last few weeks.
I hope you're not referring to 'now' ... or maybe you're reading through the historical posts to avoid getting flamed.
This is another reason why, no matter how many times a question's been asked, the old-timers should carefully think about the legacy their words will leave behind on these forums.
I find the repeated questions unbearable sometimes, too. But the historical traces of the blatant abusive and immature replies will live with these boards for a very long time, making it unlikely that anyone will like to search for an answer before posting the same question over and over and over and....
-pvs
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I wish I could say I feel your pain man, but I am a noob as well however I feel the more seasoned vets on here are just tired of the same stupid repetitive questions typically posted by none other than us new guys.
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They make the choice to read the questions then respond in an abusive manor. Its not like a brother or sister who hunt you down to annoy you. I have tried searching for a good tutorial on how to build packages and what not to build my own ROM but the usual thread I see is, "Google It and learn it the way I did." It almost like no one really wants to share their knowledge on certain areas of ROM building. I've tried googling etc. But I have still not run across a decent tutorial. I'd be willing to help make a tutorial if I knew the complete process. I've seen others claim this forum is for XDA "developers" and if you are not a developer you should look elsewhere for "help." The only way to become a developer is to learn. Most people learn by reading and asking questions. I just don't understand why people insist on berating others for asking innocent questions. I have searched for answers before and not found it. Then later I am reading a thread and I do see the answer to my question but it was not worded the way I say things possible because of language differences. So it slipped throught the cracks of the search. Should I be verbally abused for asking my question? Probably not, especially seeing as how the diversity on this forum is great. Many different primary languages and knowledge levels. It seems like before ROM cooking for Hermes was possible people were all fine and cordial with each other. Then boom, cooked ROMs became possible and it turned into if you cant help me finish my ROM and let me put the donte link in my signature I don't want to help you.
Well thats my take.
PS- if someone helps me grasp the art of ROM building I will make a tutorial and do my best to make it simple to understand for everybody.
Jokinawa
There are still a few bad apples around thou & most of us know them but just keep to our selfs, too much of that n00b flame go read wiki or search google, they can tell you to read the wiki but too lazy to type a quick fast reply to a simple question....
I just wanna know but have my replies been helpful?? :s
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They make the choice to read the questions then respond in an abusive manor. Its not like a brother or sister who hunt you down to annoy you. I have tried searching for a good tutorial on how to build packages and what not to build my own ROM but the usual thread I see is, "Google It and learn it the way I did." It almost like no one really wants to share their knowledge on certain areas of ROM building. I've tried googling etc. But I have still not run across a decent tutorial. I'd be willing to help make a tutorial if I knew the complete process. I've seen others claim this forum is for XDA "developers" and if you are not a developer you should look elsewhere for "help." The only way to become a developer is to learn. Most people learn by reading and asking questions. I just don't understand why people insist on berating others for asking innocent questions. I have searched for answers before and not found it. Then later I am reading a thread and I do see the answer to my question but it was not worded the way I say things possible because of language differences. So it slipped throught the cracks of the search. Should I be verbally abused for asking my question? Probably not, especially seeing as how the diversity on this forum is great. Many different primary languages and knowledge levels. It seems like before ROM cooking for Hermes was possible people were all fine and cordial with each other. Then boom, cooked ROMs became possible and it turned into if you cant help me finish my ROM and let me put the donte link in my signature I don't want to help you.
Well thats my take.
PS- if someone helps me grasp the art of ROM building I will make a tutorial and do my best to make it simple to understand for everybody.
Jokinawa
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By the way, they do hunt people down with PM, e-mail, IM, etc...
Here my take
The Art of ROM building does not happen overnight and it is not for everyone. You are also correct there are no A-Z tutorials on how to do it. Nonetheless, there is a lot of information on how to get your feet wet. It requires certain skill set in order to develop good cooked ROM.
Skill set: Search and Read both threads and wiki, Development (someone with a development background is preferred), Cab (building and extracting) PPC registry, Windows Mobile OS (understanding how things work), device infrastructure (understanding how things work with that particular device, because they are not all made equal), understanding you could brick your expensive device with the one wrong turn. Most important patience and keep you changes to a minimum until you get the hang of it.
The list of requirements can go on but I figure with the above information you should have an idea. It takes months of reading, searching, and trying things out in order to understand how to cook. While you are researching you also want to keep with new findings, that means you have to stay on top of up coming new threads. It is a crazy cycle and some of us can keep up with it but I assure you it is not for a lot PPL.
Oh, I forgot one more thing, you also have keep up with your full time job (you know, the one you get paid for).
Thank You
lpsi2000: Thank you. I almost have it down. The only issue I had was one of my apps did not make the start menu icon and I posted it in a thread directed towards one of the kitchens and thus far has been ignored for a week or so. I posted what I put in the initflashfiles.dat etc. It makes a shortcut but appears as a folder link to the /Windows directory and not a shortcut to the EXE. I will get it eventually though.
DAFTEK: I totally agree. Why say use search or the wiki when you could post a link to the search results or the exact thread.
mrvanx: Yes, you are always very helpful.
Thank You all.
jokinawa
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I agree that is has gotten much better in the past few weeks. I also use the ignore list to block out a couple of folks who repeatedly belittle others with their uneducated and profane flaming.
Here is my take. WTF cares
you want a bucket to catch those tears?
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lpsi2000: Thank you. I almost have it down. The only issue I had was one of my apps did not make the start menu icon and I posted it in a thread directed towards one of the kitchens and thus far has been ignored for a week or so. I posted what I put in the initflashfiles.dat etc. It makes a shortcut but appears as a folder link to the /Windows directory and not a shortcut to the EXE. I will get it eventually though.
DAFTEK: I totally agree. Why say use search or the wiki when you could post a link to the search results or the exact thread.
mrvanx: Yes, you are always very helpful.
Thank You all.
jokinawa
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The way I get around some of the issues with applications not working properly, I flashed the ROM, take a copy of device registry and files then install the app on the device and then compare it to see what was changed. From there I normally address it with my cooked ROM.
I must disagree with this comment " DAFTEK: I totally agree. Why say use search or the wiki when you could post a link to the search results or the exact thread." although I have done it at time when the search is not obvious.
If you spoon feed the search every time, then the person will never learn how to search. I have seen PPL on this board expecting other people to do search for them and also provide the answers. Trust me there are a lot of lazy people on this forum.
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Exteremely, MrVanx... EXTREMELY! Only to be outdone by your wonderful guides...easy to follow and up to date. You provide a wonderful service to these forums, and I always look forward to your posts.
Sorry I haven't yet made a donation in your direction. It will be coming soon.
All the best,
-pvs
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Here is my take. WTF cares
you want a bucket to catch those tears?
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Easy there bro... that kinda attitude got the elf kicked out of the house...
You know I would go easy just everytime my faith is restored in the people here the stupid bug seems to bite again. like asking questions that where answerd in a post right above or someone wanting to be spoon fed its almost to the point where no one wants to do anything for themselves. that's pretty sad if you ask me im sure most of the cooks here did not receive the amount of help that has been given in just the past month. I understand helping people but I also understand earning respect and until that's done give me a reason why I should spoon feed when there is a search button and google.
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why create another thread in 'Hermes Mobile 6', this should be put in the 'General Section'
and as far as i have seen it the abuse has been dramatically in the past few weeks
Sometimes the abuse is (IMHO) justified.
This post generally makes my blood boil http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311698 - the asshole keeps appearing in many guises, doesn't want to help but only make money. If this is the first post you see when you log on you get pissed off, then get carried away with the 'Flashing LSVW bricked my V3' type of threads.
In my opinion, ronfin44 was perfectly justified in (mildly) flaming this guy.
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Awww fishing for praise now? ahhahah!
Of course it's been helpful.. Honestly, I'm pretty impressed with the impartial, well thought replies that you always give.
[mumbles]Wish I could say the same for me hee hee![/mumbles]
Hi!
I was just wondering if anyone would like to point me and others in the direction of some other useful threads to check out that relate to our Hero. (Not Superman, he's still GSM only)
For example, I've wondered if any subforums other than Hero CDMA in the HTC Hero Forums here on XDA have any useful info or downloads that are relevant. Also, I've been wondering the same thing about the general Android forums here on XDA.
I keep a CDMA Hero bookmark button on top of Firefox, but does anyone have any good suggestions of other sites or subforums/threads that I can add along with it and check about as much as I check Facebook, Gmail and Plentyoffish? Hahaha
The thread list is up at the top.. Under search..
Have fun with it..
http://geekfor.me/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-hero/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=519
these are my bookmarks on this install, i have a ton more on my other computer but can't remember them now, these are the ones i've used this week
There is plenty to read and learn both in the G2 section, and in the wider general Android forum. I highly recommend checking it out.
Haha, yeah, thanks. I was about to say thanks, ****, but I saw you're joking so it's cool.
Before anyone tries to use the old "google it" line on me, let me say, yeah - I've googled it before. I know several good sites to check out other than XDA, like android central and so on.
I'm just wondering what other people check religiously like I check this subforum.
I'm also mainly curious to know if there's even any point reading through stuff on in the GSM Hero subforums. It's so lame that we only get one lousy little subforum! There's bound to be a wealth of knowledge, downloads, etc. in the GSM subforums, but I just don't want to waste my time or learn harmful/useless things.
By the way, if I could soapbox for a minute (and this has nothing to do with the post above this one, lol), I've noticed a lot of rudeness in the CDMA Hero posts, and it's a shame.
Of course it gets annoying to see people begging for help with common issues that have been addressed a hundred times. No one denies that, but it's just something that will always be there. Unless there is a quiz on the basics of flashing ROMs and using a device before one can make posts on here, it's always going to happen. Getting annoyed with this is understandable.
However, I've noticed other types of threads posted, which while a bit annoying because we've seen the same thing over and over, really don't deserve the rudeness that they get. Who cares if there are 50 threads on here where people ask what other people prefer to use as a daily ROM, or what their home screen looks like? Does anyone lose any money or time over this? Is there a thread limit here? No. This is a community of people who have the same device and who all want to get the best out of their devices. If a thread is pointless, it will be buried quickly when no one posts in it, and the more popular threads will remain on the first page. A pointless thread will continue to stay on the first page though, when someone takes the time to make a rude post!
Anyway, sorry to rant on and on about it, but it would really be great to see the CDMA Hero community work together a little better and be a little less anal. This is probably the number one site that people with our phone check to learn more and update and generally get more out of the Hero experience. Instead of scaring people away from making new threads and posts to ask people what they like and why they like it, we should really try to encourage this. The more we all come together and explore things together (regardless of how repetitive and in some opinions possibly even trivial some of these things may be), the more we grow as a whole, and I am sure that this kind of atmosphere will encourage more people to make more and more interesting contributions.
The beauty of Android and of XDA Developers Forums is that they were both created with the goal of people coming together and developing, creating, tweaking, designing, and discussing. Before the Hero, I was permanently glued to a Dell Axim x51v, and between these forums and HTCGeeks, and a friendly and open community of users and developers, we've taken the device FAR beyond anything that anyone could have dreamed it could get to when it was made, what, 5 years ago?
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http://geekfor.me/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-hero/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=519
these are my bookmarks on this install, i have a ton more on my other computer but can't remember them now, these are the ones i've used this week
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Thanks a lot, I'm going to add these into a "Hero" bookmarks folder!
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Thanks for the info!
GSM Hero Themes/Apps Thread
Curious - is this thread useful at all to us, or will any themes and apps be useless since we're CDMA?
I already know (I think) that GSM themes won't work because they're probably designed for GSM ROMs, so all kinds of things won't be compatible. (Like trying to use a 1.5 theme on a 2.1 ROM)
Are things like widgets and clocks ROM and/or device specific? I'm on a widget hunt.
I'm new to using Helix and I'd love to find some widgets that compare to the awesome Sense widgets, particularly Sense's beautiful Messaging, Mail, Music, and Friendstream widgets.
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However, I've noticed other types of threads posted, which while a bit annoying because we've seen the same thing over and over, really don't deserve the rudeness that they get. Who cares if there are 50 threads on here where people ask what other people prefer to use as a daily ROM, or what their home screen looks like? Does anyone lose any money or time over this? Is there a thread limit here? No. This is a community of people who have the same device and who all want to get the best out of their devices. If a thread is pointless, it will be buried quickly when no one posts in it, and the more popular threads will remain on the first page. A pointless thread will continue to stay on the first page though, when someone takes the time to make a rude post!
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It's not that we care that there is a hundred threads that say the same thing, its that if there are 100 threads of the same topic, it in effect, makes our forum usage a terror, because navigation is almost doomed from the beginning in that situation..
And it is not going to be something that is always there, because with mods actually modding these threads on other forums that I frequent daily, *they are virtually non-existant...
For the "noob" users, they cannot find these answers efficiently because the forum is blasted with the same thing over and over... With different answers in each thread..
The only way to make the "noob's" life easier, is to format the forum in a efficient and knowledge ready way...
Which by letting noob's overrun your forum, is not possible... We are hateful because you are feeding an endless chain of questions, when it could be handled in a much more effective way, if it wasn't for people flaming people who are actually looking out for the forum....
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Yeah, it's kinda bad here... It's like that on pretty much any technical forum, but things are really over the top on this one.
It's to the point now that when I do have a question I feel like I need to devote one short paragraph to asking the question, then tack on 5 more long paragraphs explaining that I already DID search, came up empty handed, searched again, explain which keywords I searched on, etc....
Surely there's a happy medium that can be found...
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We are hateful because you are feeding an endless chain of questions, when it could be handled in a much more effective way, if it wasn't for people flaming people who are actually looking out for the forum....
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Hey, I'm not trying to come off defensive to you in this reply because I appreciate your posts on here, but are you saying that I personally am feeding an endless chain of questions?
Also, maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the problem may be in people looking out for the forum too much, when the point of this whole XDA Developers Forum thing should be to look out for the fellow user. Like I said though, I may be wrong.
And I don't mean that it's perfectly cool to have hundreds of the same thread in here, I agree that is useless clutter. I just think that some threads that get posted do have potential for the good of the community, but they get squashed quickly by posters with bad attitudes, and then the OP in that thread and others who have the same thoughts and questions become too embarrassed or insulted/offended to post again. When that happens, someone who may have eventually provided something amazing to the community will either never get to that point, or will get there and just won't post it here because of the bad experience.
I'm sure that there are all kinds of amazing things that people have tweaked, developed, designed, and created, but they're never going to be publicly released for one reason or another. Let's not let the reason be that they were treated like they were stupid when they were finding their way on these forums.
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Yeah, it's kinda bad here... It's like that on pretty much any technical forum, but things are really over the top on this one.
It's to the point now that when I do have a question I feel like I need to devote one short paragraph to asking the question, then tack on 5 more long paragraphs explaining that I already DID search, came up empty handed, searched again, explain which keywords I searched on, etc....
Surely there's a happy medium that can be found...
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. People will get to the point that they just won't post anything when they have an idea or a question because there's no happy medium. And the worse it gets, the less progress we make as a whole.
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Hey, I'm not trying to come off defensive to you in this reply because I appreciate your posts on here, but are you saying that I personally am feeding an endless chain of questions?
Also, maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the problem may be in people looking out for the forum too much, when the point of this whole XDA Developers Forum thing should be to look out for the fellow user. Like I said though, I may be wrong.
And I don't mean that it's perfectly cool to have hundreds of the same thread in here, I agree that is useless clutter. I just think that some threads that get posted do have potential for the good of the community, but they get squashed quickly by posters with bad attitudes, and then the OP in that thread and others who have the same thoughts and questions become too embarrassed or insulted/offended to post again. When that happens, someone who may have eventually provided something amazing to the community will either never get to that point, or will get there and just won't post it here because of the bad experience.
I'm sure that there are all kinds of amazing things that people have tweaked, developed, designed, and created, but they're never going to be publicly released for one reason or another. Let's not let the reason be that they were treated like they were stupid when they were finding their way on these forums.
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No not you specifically. Sorry that was an analogous "you".. And I totally agree.. But 95% of the ones get shot down immediately, deserve it, even though you might not think so, from the people with answers, you will know almost immediately if it merits further investigation. Wishful-thinking and impossible sometimes walk a very narrow line. Developers and end-users have entirely different mindsets.. That's never going to change.. But the end-users should have a more thorough understanding of what it is we do for you and *developers should be more compassionate "for the most part (there are alot of caring devs)..
Where this sub-forum was destroyed, was giving it sub-forum status and not its own separate forum, like every other HTC device.. Then, we would get a development sub-forum, themes forum, etc. The development is different than the GSM Hero, so why doesn't it deserve its own?
You will see, that with honest concerns and problems, I will go to the end of the world for you...
But, if you want something from me, (effort to help you) you must at least show some sort of effort to solve the issue, besides "NEW TOPIC< IS MY PHONE BRICKED?"
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You will see, that with honest concerns and problems, I will go to the end of the world for you...
But, if you want something from me, (effort to help you) you must at least show some sort of effort to solve the issue, besides "NEW TOPIC< IS MY PHONE BRICKED?"
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I can definitely see your point.
But this is where the happy medium needs to be found. I know I'm the exception rather than the rule on this point, but by the time I post asking for help, it's safe to say I've spent at least one day each both trying to figure out an answer on my own (and I'm fairly capable), and searching this forum, other forums, and google to see if anyone else has had and solved the same problem.
That's effort that isn't seen, but it's extremely frustrating to feel obligated to explain it all in detail in exchange for the privilege of asking a question.
Now, don't take this post the wrong way. There's absolutely nothing wrong with expecting people to do a little digging on their own before they come crying for help.
I just think this forum (as a whole, not you specifically) has gone a bit over the top with how much "proof" of that digging is required before someone can feel comfortable asking their question.
(And I'm not really even complaining, just offering my observations on a topic that was already brought up for discussion....)
I get very sarcastic... But only because I think sarcasm is funny...
And you really don't have to explain it yourself *in every post.. Because most of us with a thorough background, can tell how much effort you put in, just by your question... (edit* Yourself is again analogous, not you)
For Example, the 2.1 thread this morning...
I opened it up, thinking to myself "Not again"...
But when I read and see that it was actually about A2DP, mindset about the thread changes, and I go into help mode... That invoked thought and development just from that post..
Now if I had opened it up, and it was a brand new "Can I change back to a rooted rom after the OTA update" question... I would have went into sarcasm mode... And I don't want to help that guy be lazy.. Why should we give him the benefit of spouting off verbatim what has been answered 1000 times before, just because he can't take the 20 mins to peruse over a couple threads??
I am all about the education of every single member of this forum, into all of the ways of Android... But its like what my papaw used to tell me, "You get what you put in."
And to ray...
Download GMOB chat, from the market...
Go to the rooted users chat, and there is usually alot of good info there, you just have to sort of wade through some of it, since you only get to see like the 50 most recent posts.. So it takes a little more effort to find anything... Also the apps room is pretty cool...
I have found technorati.com is getting alot better...
androidfreeware.com is good for apps.
OK, now to take the completely opposite side....
I was just reading another topic and in 5 minutes I saw 3 different questions posted that had been answered ON THAT SAME PAGE!!!
The proper profanity has not yet been invented to describe people like that.
See subliminal...
It's not that I don't wanna see those questions asked, I just want people to understand the nature of a forum, and alot* here do not...
If people read, before they start looking for answers, we would be alot better..
The issue is, that all of these people look to have a very limited understanding of Android, and just want a phone to use.. And this is not the forum for those.. Android-central, sprintusers.com, etc are more appropriate..
This forum is for development, not for chatting about the evo, or why your 1.5 is better than 2.1.. or how android is the iphone killer..
This forum is to bring ideas to our platform, and to build upon them... And to release mods and hacks..
Not for people to rant about how sprint sucks, and I want a nexus one..
Or to rant about how developers are stealing our donations....
It is to make our phone better, and with people feeding this nonsense, we are hindering the forum from where it should be...
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Not for people to rant about how sprint sucks, and I want a nexus one..
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But what if Sprint sucks, the Nexus One is a POS...
AND....
Why can't I get a Nexus One on Sprint?
(I really do understand both sides of the issue. I just kinda agree that some on this forum are a bit quick on the draw with the "Use the search you ****in' noob!" gun....)
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And to ray...
Download GMOB chat, from the market...
Go to the rooted users chat, and there is usually alot of good info there, you just have to sort of wade through some of it, since you only get to see like the 50 most recent posts.. So it takes a little more effort to find anything... Also the apps room is pretty cool...
I have found technorati.com is getting alot better...
androidfreeware.com is good for apps.
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Hey thanks, I'll check that out! By the way, after thinking about it today and catching up on this thread's replies, I think we're thinking on the same page.
It would be handy, I think, if we could get some extremely well written and dummy-proof How-To's stickied for the main page. I know there is already a sticky wicky for guides, but I remember still being a bit lost even having read them when I was new to the Hero. I wrote some extremely detailed step by step how-to's for the x51v over at htcgeeks, and though it might be my own vanity speaking, I think that it slowed down the constant repetitive questions. I'd volunteer to help out with this if we could get some Mod help to reorganize the stickies. I think we should have individual ones for...
- How To Setup an SD Card for A2SD
- How To Install Recovery and How To Use It (Nandroids, what they are, wipes, which ones to use for what, Fix UID's explanation, etc.)
- How To Flash a Custom ROM
- How To Flash a Custom Theme
- Troubleshooting PC Sync Issues
- How To Setup and Use ADB Shell with a list of ADB functions
I know we have this stuff now, but I remember it took a while to find all the info I needed to learn all these things when I was new to the Hero, and the current Guides sticky wasn't as helpful as it could have been. And I'm a pretty resourceful and intelligent guy who can search, read, and follow instructions! (Or at least I like to think so, lol)
Oh, and to make a preventative strike against hundreds of future bug reports on new ROMs, giant bold text on every page of every thread that says "WIPE DATA, DALVIK CACHE, AND SD EXT BEFORE FLASHING A DIFFERENT ROM!!!
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Disclaimer/Advice/Humble Opinion:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA, Google) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.
I second what CBC has said. They lock these phones down for business and support reasons, mainly that having root lets you pretty easily screw things up. You shouldn't root unless you have a good idea of what's actually going on, how to back out of it, etc. Just page through some of the root/unroot threads and look at all the stupid questions people post. If they don't look stupid to you, please read read read before thinking any more about rooting.
Don't take any personal offense to this, it just that there's a real chance you can brick your device. The software root itself is fairly safe but at least the original method to disabling the write protection--flashing the engineering hboot--modifies your last line of defense in fixing a broken device.
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Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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jjjackson56 said:
Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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Wow, so much for friendly forum help huh...
Sorry not trying to be rude or unhelpful I'm just blunt I could've sugar coated it but what would be the point. You obviously found us using one of the many search engines out there just change your query and you won't get flamed.
As a side note anyone else in the future please do some research before asking this.
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Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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Amen! I could read all day long till I am blue in the face and I have. I did not think asking people who are familiar with the process would be such a bad thing..
Good job with the flaming though. I'll just chalk it up as internet small man syndrome...
@spazfishy
I first started tweaking my phones with a couple WM HTC devices. I did it mostly to increase performance and become a member of a community of geeks (for lack of a better term). BTW, when I say tweak I don't mean building ROMs or writing code. I'm an idiot in that regard.
I'm a year and a month into having Android phones and I still don't know anything about SDK, very, very little about ADB push/pull, etc. Still, I've managed to have fun with my phones and have rooted and toyed with them without any issue worse than a boot loop here and there. It's fun to be the first guy to get an update for a ROM because you're eagerly hitting refresh on the supporting thread. There's also a satisfaction in reading a ****load of info on these forums and figuring out something by yourself or with a little input from the guys here.
I can agree that you should read as much as you can about how these phones work. However, you don't need to know as much as you might think. What helped me was watching some youtube videos...walkthroughs of rooting and tutorials for installing ROMs.
It's **** like this, XDA.
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to spazfishy, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. .
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your post was good but it was spazfishy who was asking the question. it's all good.
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Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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Great. Then why don't you and Sl3PR be the first to start helping. Your turn.
People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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You're right. I agree. Let them brick. Then be right back here begging for help.
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Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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Ya so he could send it back thus driving up the price of new phones and causing phone manufacturers to lose money and causing more headaches for them as well as others.
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Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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yes, heaven forbid he not do EXACTLY what you did!
in a Q&A forum no less..give me a break. and no, I'm not gonna keep going on and on about this in this thread. i'm done.
it just proves the original point i was trying to make - which is now we just have another thread on this boards of people being a**holes and talking down to other people just because they don't possess the exact same information you do or because they aren't going about your perfect prescribed process for obtaining said information..whatever.
if someone asks a question you don't like - why don't you just go re-root your phone? or put your wife's cat in the microwave?
if you have the answer - why not take the 90 seconds it was going to take you to be a giant tool and just answer the question?
OR if redundant posts is really THAT big of a problem on here - then have moderators just delete these posts? or figure out how to become a moderator and then you can play forum cop in all of your spare time and delete these posts and actually be part of a solution not just a part of another problem.
see all you happy campers in another post
have a nice day.
(and btw - CBC - at least your initial reply had some actual information in it and geniune advice. jjackson was just being a jerk. that's what i thought was totally unnecessary. and as far it being 'my turn' - since i've been regularly reading this forum, i do answer questions when i feel like i have something to contribute..this is my first android phone and i have only temp rooted so that's why i didn't answer his post to begin with)
Ok well I'm sorry if I otherwise offended anyone with my rants.
So lmgtfy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
But do not follow those instructions they are not for our device. I REPEAT DO NOT FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIONS. Just use that as a helpful guide for information.
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Hey, a big thanks to the people that were actually helpful. For real this reply will be short and simple but seriously to the haters. Why do you even waste your time replying if you do not like my question? Are you simply here to feel powerful and mock people? Like why would you go out of your way to call me and idiot and assume I am going to break my phone? I really don't see what's in it for you besides a self attained ego boost. Hence the small man comment...
So to the helpful people: thedroid, daryllh, Sl3PR, ckisgen and anyone else with a helpful word or two your comments are much appreciated and with your wisdom I am slightly more educated and will make a decision. And to the others well I didn't know my text took up so much space!! Good luck in scaring more new users away! I hope you guys get a lot of people to click your donation buttons!
Okay... we're getting too many threads here with the same problems.
If you think you've bricked your phone or can't figure out what you've done or are stuck, you need to search the forum. There is a LOT of information already here that can help you.
Honestly, if you feel like you could easily get to this point you should probably do more research before doing any modding of your phone.
If you can't find anything, then go to the #Samsung-Continuum channel on IRC ( http://webchat.freenode.net/ ) And see if anyone is there to help you. If not, wait.
If you cannot wait, then search again using different terminology.
Then, if you haven't gotten a fix, you should post your problem within the thread for whatever it was you were trying to do when you messed up your phone.
This will keep our forums usable and the important information where everyone can see it.
Thanks,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18698679
[DEV] Continuum DataBase
Also files to help get u back running
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u should sticky this thread to lol.
Yeh... unfortunately I'm not our forum moderator... not sure why they just stick us on random devices instead of the ones we use...
I'll send a note to our mod, see if he'll do it.
Weudel said:
Yeh... unfortunately I'm not our forum moderator... not sure why they just stick us on random devices instead of the ones we use...
I'll send a note to our mod, see if he'll do it.
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Done.
Somehow I ended up with my device, and a bunch of other random forums... like this one .
I am happy they gave me my device tho .
Directions are not good....
I started downloading the files, but honestly guys - I've repartitioned harddrives on a desktop before, reformatted them from DOS into a Windows OS, I've assisted in networking (using windows home based server) a small office (4 people). Your directions to do this are so vauge, I'm not even gonna try in fear I screw it up. I appreciate everything I read on your forum, but not even a google search of all this is helpful, cuz all that's found, is you guys, and your directions are far from step by step. YOu wouldn't be having people post with so many issues if you laid it out for those who are not all that great with technology. Being quite in depth and knowledgeable myself, I know that if it were laid out a little less "techy", even those unfamiliar with these processes would be able to get done without so many issues. Sorry, I don't mean any disrespect, you guys are awesome, helpful, and plain extremely smart, and for those who arise to understanding all the tech lingo and can get themselves partially through this process without a step by step, more power to them. Just thought it would be helpful since I see so many "I screwed up my phone posts".
thank you.
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[newrant]why would you use your first post on whatever that was?
question? statement?
none of the above
if u have read the "i screwed up my phone posts" or been in Irc, you would find out that most were failed flashes found on other sites,
our directions do not "brick" phones, when did our post start pointing guns at the reader?
though I'm wondering why not after your post have fun with 2.1 [/newrant]
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Rants
That said (I agree)...join us in the IRC and we'll get you up and running.
TazRun said:
I started downloading the files, but honestly guys - I've repartitioned harddrives on a desktop before, reformatted them from DOS into a Windows OS, I've assisted in networking (using windows home based server) a small office (4 people). Your directions to do this are so vauge, I'm not even gonna try in fear I screw it up. I appreciate everything I read on your forum, but not even a google search of all this is helpful, cuz all that's found, is you guys, and your directions are far from step by step. YOu wouldn't be having people post with so many issues if you laid it out for those who are not all that great with technology. Being quite in depth and knowledgeable myself, I know that if it were laid out a little less "techy", even those unfamiliar with these processes would be able to get done without so many issues. Sorry, I don't mean any disrespect, you guys are awesome, helpful, and plain extremely smart, and for those who arise to understanding all the tech lingo and can get themselves partially through this process without a step by step, more power to them. Just thought it would be helpful since I see so many "I screwed up my phone posts".
thank you.
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This is a DEVELOPERS forum. It's that simple. If you're not up to speed on modifying your device it is not our job to get you there. Read and re-read until you understand and if that doesn't happen then DON'T TRY IT.
That said there are a lot of people around here who would be more than happy to try to help you. Just use the PM function or the IRC chat, please. ;D
it annoys me when people post sounding threads all frantic saying i think i bricked witch is a term thrown around far to much these days because the fact of the matter is, is its almost impossible brick a samsung device
hi all. there appears to be a real lot of seriously patient and helpful people here. i am really hoping so. if any of you have helped who you think is a complete idiot with the Nexus7, believe me, you haven't yet. i am about to change all that.
i have the wifi 32gig old Nexus 7. i have been lucky from the point of view that a friend of mine is much more knowledgeable than i could ever hope to be who has always helped when things went a bit awry. however, i would like to be able to learn to do some things myself. the new update seemed like a reasonable place to start. wrong!
anyway, i have the nexus7 described above running Android 4.2.2 and has TWRP installed. i didn't know that it wouldn't accept the 4.3 update OTA so had the issue that after downloading (i assume it has) the update, it asked to reboot. upon doing so, the TWRP screen appeared. i had no idea which option to choose so just selected 'Reboot'. it promptly did so and i found it is still on 4.2.2. that is where i am at the moment. i have looked around the forum but as i dont know what i am looking for, dont know if i have found it.
is anyone willing to take my life in their hands and try to educate 'a willing to learn but know nothing atm' newbe? even pointing me perhaps to some real idiot-proof info pages so i can at least read a bit would be a start. info on how to get from where i am (running 4.2.2) to where i would like to be (running 4.3) would be better, but hey, a start is a start
many TIA
I know nothing
come on guys. please help out here. we weren't all born with the knowledge to do these various tasks. we all have to begin at the beginning! i'm sure someone helped you out to start with
Read the stickies. Going back to stock. Its not hard and someone else has already done the hard part of spelling it all out for you.
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come on guys. please help out here. we weren't all born with the knowledge to do these various tasks. we all have to begin at the beginning! i'm sure someone helped you out to start with
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I read everything I could about my devices. Search for my issues, here and on Google. Why wait for answers here when I can find just about every issue and fix on earth very quickly.
It's the best way to learn. Posting back and forth on here with people can take a lot of time to solve an issue....searching can solve it in minutes.
Just my two cents.
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tnx for replies guys, but the problem is as i stated in my first post, i dont know what i have got to read. i looked on here and on Google. i am quite capable of using the search, but when i dont know exactly what i am searching for, it is a problem. i asked if someone could point me to what i needed to look at, i am not asking for someone to sit down next to me and do the job, unless i get in a muddle and i would then say.
I told you what to read. THE STICKIES!
They exist for a reason. More specifically you want information found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1907796
But there are other threads that cover it as well.
Read the stickies
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I told you what to read. THE STICKIES!
They exist for a reason. More specifically you want information found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1907796
But there are other threads that cover it as well.
Read the stickies
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You can lead a horse to water...
No offence intended, but I would leave your device alone until you have done all your research and understand exactly what you're doing. Otherwise you will very easily end up with a shiny paper weight.
Happens all the time here. And why? People did stuff without reading AND understanding what they were doing.
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No offence intended, but I would leave your device alone until you have done all your research and understand exactly what you're doing. Otherwise you will very easily end up with a shiny paper weight.
Happens all the time here. And why? People did stuff without reading AND understanding what they were doing.
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Wise advice indeed... I had a long winded explanation ready to go... then I read this.
There already seems to have been a higher-than-average number of hardbricks (broken bootloaders) since the rollout of 4.3.
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@Prettygrim ...
Stick with 4.2.2 until you know what you're doing... but in the meantime, read everything you can find on fastboot and ADB.
Rgrds,
Ged.
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I told you what to read. THE STICKIES!
They exist for a reason. More specifically you want information found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1907796
But there are other threads that cover it as well.
Read the stickies
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you telling me to read the Stickies means absolutely nothing if i dont know what stickies to read or where they are. being a developer has done nothing as far as having some patience is concerned. i venture to say that you were not born with a nexus 7 hanging out your backside and an inbuilt knowledge of what to do. i also venture that you had to be shown and have explained procedures to you as well before you became competent at doing anything. your second post of 'Read The Stickies at least has a link so i know what to look at.. thanks for that!
They are literally at the top section of the ****ing forum. Links? I gave you a damn link to start with.
No I wasn't born with the knowledge of the system, but thanks to the fact that lots of people already documented tons of this stuff I didn't need to have my hand held.
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many tnx Ged. you have told me what to look for and what to read. i have an idea now where to begin. appreciate the help
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They are literally at the top section of the ****ing forum. Links? I gave you a damn link to start with.
No I wasn't born with the knowledge of the system, but thanks to the fact that lots of people already documented tons of this stuff I didn't need to have my hand held.
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your first reply had no link at all
if i were you mate, i'd get out of here. the pressure is obviously too much for you.
as for the holding the hand bit, i am glad you had sufficient knowledge to be able to do it without. unfortunately not all of us have that. one thing i am not though, is an ignorant ****ing arsehole like you who thinks he's the dogs bollocks and treats new people like they are something that the cat dragged in!! what an attitude!!
oh, and dont bother to ban me, i ban myself!!
Hi, guys...
Can we all just take a step back here a little...
This whole thing is becoming a little intense.
@Pirateghost
You know your stuff, most decidedly... and I understand you're a little irritated by people who don't seem to want to be bothered....
But I don't think that's the case with with @Prettygrim. My instinct tells me he has approached XDA with the desire to learn (by his own admission, he knows nothing) ..... and is willing. Not everybody can hit the ground running.
@Prettygrim
XDA can sometimes seem to be a little unforgiving, particularly for beginners (you're thrown in at the deep end, with guys who have thousands of posts and years of experience under their belt), but slinging insults around is not the best way of helping yourself.
Do a bit of Googling... searchphrases : Nexus 7 4.3 OTA zip... Nexus 7 fastboot... Nexus 7 ADB.
There's a whole shed load of interesting stuff out there... and it's your's for the taking. BUT IT'S UP TO YOU TO DO THE TAKING.
It's almost become a cliche, but it also happens to be true... Google is your friend.
Use it.
Peace everybody .
Rgrds,
Ged.
Lol. I'm the ignorant asshole because I know how to read and search?
Ged, yes I get extremely irritated at people who don't even bother searching before they post. It was horrible of me to assume that by hinting at what sticky he needed to read that it was enough. I didn't provide a link for him, therefore I'm the horrible person.
The agitation really kicks in high gear after a new android release. There is so much stupid in these forums the weeks following a release that after wading through thousands of worthless posts I tend to snap on at least one of them. I tried being nice and directing him to the stickies but it wasn't good enough. He wanted to be spoonfed the info. There are rules here that so many people break just by hitting that new thread button without doing any due diligence. Its ridiculous.
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tnx Ged, for having a little bit of patience. i am willing to learn. i can read IF i know what to read! now i've been pointed to 'fastboot' and 'adb' i have a starting point and appreciate that.
pirateghost, if anyone wasn't reading it's you. i already said i had looked around. before being able to do something you want to do for the very first time, you have to know how to do it. before you can learn how to do it, you need to know what information to look for. that in itself isn't always easy or as straight forward as it perhaps should be. it seems to me that instead of of giving advice, encouragement and information, you use this forum as a personal 'have a go at some other thick ***ker'. you may well be extremely knowledgeable but you were not, under any circumstances, born with the knowledge inbuilt. you had to be taught. and i hasten to bet that whoever taught you had to have a bit of patience and a bit of forgiving. you didn't get it all right all the time, let alone the first time, so start cutting people a little slack, eh? one day i might be able to do this stuff by myself but it sure as hell aint gonna be yet a while and i know it! slagging people off, making them feel like the inferior beings that, at this moment, they (me) obviously are doesn't exactly lead them to wanting to be bothered to learn. that is a shame because one of those you ridicule could become really good and be of benefit to the whole community
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tnx Ged, for having a little bit of patience. i am willing to learn. i can read IF i know what to read! now i've been pointed to 'fastboot' and 'adb' i have a starting point and appreciate that.
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Do you know what a sticky is in the forum?
Its where there is lots of relevant information that applies to a particular device and is denoted by a thumbtack image. It is always at the top of the forum section and threads can't be bumped above them unless they themselves become stickies or announcements.
That is where you start your reading. Along the way you will notice keywords that need to be explained. Those keywords are usually explained in the sticky but if they aren't then there is this awesome search provider called Google that will assist you in any way it can. Its really cool and you should give him a shot sometime.
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Lol. I'm the ignorant asshole because I know how to read and search?
Ged, yes I get extremely irritated at people who don't even bother searching before they post. It was horrible of me to assume that by hinting at what sticky he needed to read that it was enough. I didn't provide a link for him, therefore I'm the horrible person.
The agitation really kicks in high gear after a new android release. There is so much stupid in these forums the weeks following a release that after wading through thousands of worthless posts I tend to snap on at least one of them. I tried being nice and directing him to the stickies but it wasn't good enough. He wanted to be spoonfed the info. There are rules here that so many people break just by hitting that new thread button without doing any due diligence. Its ridiculous.
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That is correct. The rules do say to search first.....and that somehow seems impossible for some.
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I think it's sad that we have someone who wants to learn more about their device, and get's treated so badly. What some of you need to understand, is that the knowledge regarding these devices doesn't come so easily to everyone. What you were able to learn so easily is like a foreign language to someone else. I just ask that we all try to have some patience with members who are less experienced and knowledgeable than we are.