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Why does the Nexus One not need apps2sd?

Someone told me the Nexus One doesn't need apps2sd. I'm curious why they said that. Is it because it works that way automatically or are they just saying that because of the extra RAM and ROM?

The nexus one has 512 megs of rom. Tons of room for apps at this point there just really isn't much need for apps2sd since there is so much room. Also native ROM storage is probably faster then SD access.

jairuncaloth said:
The nexus one has 512 megs of rom. Tons of room for apps at this point there just really isn't much need for apps2sd since there is so much room. Also native ROM storage is probably faster then SD access.
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Also I'm pretty sure Google said they were working on encrypting apps so you could store them on your SD card in the future

I installed all my apps that I normally use, plus a few others, and I have 130MB+ left in storage. My G1 started with around 70MB free depending on which ROM I used. I had a 512MB partition (formatted to around 500MB) and usually had close to 400MB free with my apps on it. I think we'll be fine for a bit, but when really, REALLY nice games come along to take advantage of the phone's power, we'll need microSDHC storage.

N1 Owners running Cyan's ROM - Are you running Apps2sd?

I have been using Cyan's rom for quite some time now and am absolutely pleased with his work! But as we all know none of Cyan's rom for the N1, the latest being 5.0.2 at the time of this writing, have app2sd support out of the box.
So begs the question for N1 owners running Cyan's ROM, Are you running Apps2sd?

I'm not planning to use Apps2SD.
Simple because when I had my G1, I was new to Android™ and apps and shtuff.
Now that I've upgraded to the N1, I now know what apps I like, what review sites to trust, which developers to trust, which types of apps I need/want.
I currently use about 5-7 apps daily that I've purchased.
I doubt I will ever have more than a dozen or so installed, even with trial usage of free apps.
Unless something super AMAZING comes out that I gotta try/have/buy.

Well, I become nervous when I see the internal storage has only 196MB so I decided to go for app2SD with my 16GB class 6 microSDHC card...

I also wish to have apps2sd installed as my disk space getting low. I have actually quite a lot of games waiting to be installed but sad I can't yet. Was thinking waiting for Google to provide native SD card apps install support. - I really hope it will happen soon.

No, I have no need for it.
I only have a handful of apps installed. If I want to play something more taxing than Solitaire or Robot Defender I'll fire up my PS3...

Ditto. I've never gotten into handheld gaming. I'd rather load up Crysis on the PC.

I don't do much gaming either, but why use the phone memory when the SD card is available?
Also it helps when changing ROM's as all my Ext3 apps appear without reloading.
So yes I'm using it and it's great 224 apps installed and 24Mb of my 196Mb used

200mb's is plenty for me. I got a TON of apps installed and still have 100mbs free. So no need for Apps2SD, which also will slow down ur phone a little.

lightforce said:
200mb's is plenty for me. I got a TON of apps installed and still have 100mbs free. So no need for Apps2SD, which also will slow down ur phone a little.
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Ditto. Slower start time = no thanks.

I haven't really seen these huge games. I have and play:
Radiant - 5.36MB
Totemo - 3.82MB
Haven't really found anything else on the market that was worth paying for.
I also have everything I feel like I need, and still have 140MB FREE (extra 40 from Cyanogen) of storage on my phone (out of 196MB).

the only reason i use APPS2SD is when i flash new roms or do wipes, my EXT partition is still saved. So when i install/test any new room, apps2sd is enabled and i will have all my apps right where i left them.

[Q] Do or Do Not: Moving apps to SD?

I've moved up from a G1 rooted to the MT4G, so I've always had apps2sd. It's just a necessity with the limited space.
My question is on the MT4G, since we have 1GB of internal space, do I really even need to move any apps to SD? What would be the pros and cons of moving apps to SD on this phone?
Right now, I'm still stock, not rooted, with 96 apps installed and I still have 850+ mb internal space.

nmw407 said:
I've moved up from a G1 rooted to the MT4G, so I've always had apps2sd. It's just a necessity with the limited space.
My question is on the MT4G, since we have 1GB of internal space, do I really even need to move any apps to SD? What would be the pros and cons of moving apps to SD on this phone?
Right now, I'm still stock, not rooted, with 96 apps installed and I still have 850+ mb internal space.
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I'd say don't go for it. See my sig; I'm also leaving behind my G1 where yes, it was definitely a necessity. However, even with a C6 SD card, things were noticeably slower off the SD vs internal storage. It's just not worth the performance hit right now when you have ample internal storage.

I dont see a reason to move them with a 1gb of space, that will be increased once devs figure out how to unlock the partition.
I had 2 on my N1 with only about 150mb to play with

cool. I wondered about that. I just moved everything that got installed on SD back to phone.

no a2sd until i run out of space for apps.....which i dont see happening for myself.

aagvain said:
no a2sd until i run out of space for apps.....which i dont see happening for myself.
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Yeah... a gig is really a crap-ton of space for apps like these... maybe when apps get huge after gingerbread, there may be a use for moving some less used / less critical apps.

{Q}Typhoon CM7 laggy, fix?

For some reason it just seems to be laggy, is there a cause or a fix for this? Should I re-install cwmwith bigger than a 150mb partition?

jwleonhart said:
For some reason it just seems to be laggy, is there a cause or a fix for this? Should I re-install cwmwith bigger than a 150mb partition?
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mine works great, none lag at all, you sure you have right CWM given by typhoon and you are doing ext4 partition for sd card, i have 1gb partition on sd and it works great as long as you install it correct you shouldn't have a problem, start with "task29"....

I did TASK29 and i'm sure I installed the right CWM software. How do I do an EXT4 format, I think I just did a FAT32 format to the sdcard....
Also, what I mean by laggy is that if you put a live wallpaper up the phones gets extremely laggy, no matter how simple the wallpaper..I'm comparing it to a samsung vibrant (galaxy s) and i'm assuming they should be the same cuz the specs are the same and the HD2 seems definantly more refined with android... Hell we don't even having working GPS for CM7 lol.

jwleonhart said:
I did TASK29 and i'm sure I installed the right CWM software. How do I do an EXT4 format, I think I just did a FAT32 format to the sdcard....
Also, what I mean by laggy is that if you put a live wallpaper up the phones gets extremely laggy, no matter how simple the wallpaper..I'm comparing it to a samsung vibrant (galaxy s) and i'm assuming they should be the same cuz the specs are the same and the HD2 seems definantly more refined with android... Hell we don't even having working GPS for CM7 lol.
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Tytung new 1.7 gps libs got working agps support..you can get a fix in 5-20 secs...
To create a sd ext, backup your sd card, then boot in cwm. I think it was advanced-partitoon sd card..or sth else...youll find it .
choose 1gb sd ext and 0swap...after that restore your files on sd card.
Concerning your laggy...can you run sd tools from market to test your writing and reading speeds?
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jwleonhart said:
I did TASK29 and i'm sure I installed the right CWM software. How do I do an EXT4 format, I think I just did a FAT32 format to the sdcard....
Also, what I mean by laggy is that if you put a live wallpaper up the phones gets extremely laggy, no matter how simple the wallpaper..I'm comparing it to a samsung vibrant (galaxy s) and i'm assuming they should be the same cuz the specs are the same and the HD2 seems definantly more refined with android... Hell we don't even having working GPS for CM7 lol.
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You could try:
Slow SD card, Up the Read-ahead cache of the SD card, using the sweet little app SD Speed Increase, which is free on the market
Live wallpaper are lagging, and also battery eating (at least that's what they told me, but personally I don't use live wallpapers, so no guarantee)
Did you underclock your CPU?
Reflash your ROM, sometimes, things get clogged up (Happens to me too)
Oh and GPS doesn't work on CM7? Use the new Tytung GPS libs and you will have a fix very fast!

Eelkede said:
You could try:
Slow SD card, Up the Read-ahead cache of the SD card, using the sweet little app SD Speed Increase, which is free on the market
Live wallpaper are lagging, and also battery eating (at least that's what they told me, but personally I don't use live wallpapers, so no guarantee)
Did you underclock your CPU?
Reflash your ROM, sometimes, things get clogged up (Happens to me too)
Oh and GPS doesn't work on CM7? Use the new Tytung GPS libs and you will have a fix very fast!
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Thank you for advice.
I will test SD Speed Increase but i have found also SD-Booster which i think have the same effect.
What is your opinion about dorimanx typhoon tweaks?

I'm running a NAND build guys..... not SD

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I'm running a NAND build guys..... not SD
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..i know, im using also the typhoon rom, but a faulty sd card could also slow down your device.

ivangs1 said:
Thank you for advice.
I will test SD Speed Increase but i have found also SD-Booster which i think have the same effect.
What is your opinion about dorimanx typhoon tweaks?
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Sorry, I don't know about the dorimanx typhoon tweaks.
and @jwleonhart, I know, but a slow SD card will slow down your android rom in some cases, I've noticed a big difference in a class 10 and a class 2 card.

[Q] fudged up my 4gb sd card help!!!!!

ok so my girlfriend got a nook color for christmas this year and heard you can put honeycomb on it. i did it and all went well BUT she has no market and i have no idea how to use adb and her nook isnt even recognized. i tried the easy adb usb nook installer thing and it wont work. now i tried to format my sd card to use as a regular 4gb card and i only have 117 mb left!!!! i have no way to fix it and i just bought it today from walmart. it was only 10 bucks so no big loss but still its 4gb i couldve used. is there any home to reformat correctly to get it back or any way to completely uninstall android sdk and adb and the drivers and redo it over and can anyone help me as to making the market work if possible? i installed the honeycomb image to the sd card so i dont ruin her nook and i dont plan on flashing honeycomb to the actual nook. i need help asap so please anyone on the website help me!!!!!!

sneakysnake16 said:
ok so my girlfriend got a nook color for christmas this year and heard you can put honeycomb on it. i did it and all went well BUT she has no market and i have no idea how to use adb and her nook isnt even recognized. i tried the easy adb usb nook installer thing and it wont work. now i tried to format my sd card to use as a regular 4gb card and i only have 117 mb left!!!! i have no way to fix it and i just bought it today from walmart. it was only 10 bucks so no big loss but still its 4gb i couldve used. is there any home to reformat correctly to get it back or any way to completely uninstall android sdk and adb and the drivers and redo it over and can anyone help me as to making the market work if possible? i installed the honeycomb image to the sd card so i dont ruin her nook and i dont plan on flashing honeycomb to the actual nook. i need help asap so please anyone on the website help me!!!!!!
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You should do some more research. Honeycomb on the nook is no bueno. You can use gingerbread with no problems. ICS is being updated daily, still some things not working. To format your micro sd card you can use SD Formatter from Sandisk. Try cm7 on your sd card. Works great. My girlfriend has very few problems, she is very happy.
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Oh ok thanks for the info I fixed the sd card.she will be happy to hear it might work cause I explained to her how annoying it was... Now do I have to flash anything to the nook itself? And is there any way to restore it in case it messes up? If possible id like it all done on the sd card and I could get an 8gb easy, and I could try for a 16 if necessary. Thank you for the quick reply too really helped
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Honeycomb in general is a no-no. The Honeycomb ROM you got was based off of SDK. Google never officially released the Honeycomb source code. As for your problem, I'd need more info. You could always wipe your SD and go to Wal-Mart, asking for a trade-in. If they plug it in, act dumb and say it came that way. Go with the latest CM7 nightly. CM9 is in a rapid change state at the moment, so unless you can build a ROM based off of source, I'd wait until CM9 becomes stable. For now, look into the ROM that would suit her. MIUI is well-supported and sort of resembles iOS. CM7 is strictly Android. Phiremod is nice but is officially unsupported because its developer decided to leave his Android life. Hopefully, someone else takes the reigns from him. My suggestion for you for now is either CM7 or MIUI.
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sneakysnake16 said:
Oh ok thanks for the info I fixed the sd card.she will be happy to hear it might work cause I explained to her how annoying it was... Now do I have to flash anything to the nook itself? And is there any way to restore it in case it messes up? If possible id like it all done on the sd card and I could get an 8gb easy, and I could try for a 16 if necessary. Thank you for the quick reply too really helped
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Personally I'd flash a ROM to the Nook. If you want to run CM7 completely off of SD, things get more complicated. For now, give her a ROM. If she likes the look of an iPod, go with MIUI. Otherwise, flash CM7 (the latest stable should do). Make a recovery after you flash and about once every week or so. I suggest getting an SD card for just recoveries. 2GB should do and when you need to delete old recoveries, just hook up to your computer, find the directory in your SD labeled "clockworkmod", open it, and delete the folders that hold the old recoveries. Most are named based on the date and time they were created.
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First, there is probably nothing wrong with your SD card as I think you have now found. When you make an install that is designed to run off the SD card the process partitions the card into various areas. Windows can only see the first partition which is the boot partition of 117 MB. Other partitions hold the system, data and "SD" areas and the Nook will see all of these and can mount the "SD" area as visible to the PC when connected by USB.
Various utilities are available to put the card back to a single full capacity partition. E.g. the HP utility or the Sandisk utility as mentioned.
I'd certainly follow the advice given on ROM selection. If you choose to use the CM7 type then the ROM build under the KANG MiRaGE thread is the best choice at the moment.
Although installing to emmc internal is nicer in many respects there are also lots of people here who have chosen to run on SD because they wanted to leave the Nook stock software unaltered. Providing you use a SanDisk card this will give good results, running fast and stable and does not alter the internal Nook software so you can just remove the card to get back to the standard Nook.
I started like this but then decided that I was never going to use the stock and eventually flashed into internal. For non-technical friends who want the CM7 experience on their Nook I normally use the SD card method as it then means they have an easy path back to a standard Nook.
If you want to run from the SD card then reformat your card back to full capacity, choose which ROM you want to use then follow the SD card install guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957

Yea I used a sandisk card and I fixed mine thanks as for installing cm7 I would like it on the sd card becauae if she doesnt like it then idk how to return it to normal...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
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This ^^^. I have flashed cm7 to my gf's emmc, somehow, by accident in the past. I took it back to stock with the help of a thread in the dev section. Not a problem. It seems pretty hard to screw up her nook. She loves cm7 over stock. Actually, I used the cm7.2 kang. Runs really well on the sd card. If there is ever a problem, pull the sd card and start over. Always have current backups of apps/data. Good luck.
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ugh, I feel stupid, having the same issue with the sd card. Can someone gimme the link for the sd formatter? I tried the hp utility and it didnt change any thing. Thanx guys.

Actually, the stock B&N operating system has a nice SD card formatter. You just put in the SD card after turning on the Nook, go to Device Options from Settings, click on the SD card option, and you can format/wipe it from there.

Under Ubuntu, I use gparted.
For Windows, I don't know which one is the best, but when I had the same problem, I used MiniTool Partition Wizard
std5501 said:
ugh, I feel stupid, having the same issue with the sd card. Can someone gimme the link for the sd formatter? I tried the hp utility and it didnt change any thing. Thanx guys.
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std5501 said:
ugh, I feel stupid, having the same issue with the sd card. Can someone gimme the link for the sd formatter? I tried the hp utility and it didnt change any thing. Thanx guys.
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Use MiniTools Wizard

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CM7 - nb230 on eMMC - Dalingrin's OC kernel 2.6.32.9 @ 1200MHz NOOKcolor
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I can't help but notice you have it clocked to 1200MHz. No criticism, and it's purely your choice, but clocking to 1200MHz isn't actually... well, I guess the word is, "beneficial". Personally, I'm clocked to 1100MHz, and I'll tell you why. Clocking the Nook at 1200MHz makes it: 1) Overheat very easily, 2) Drain through battery like a b***ch, and 3) It has no noticeable increase in performance. I'm not the only one out there who has noticed this either. But I can't dictate you and make you change it. Just informing you that Dragons may be ahead of you. If you don't have any of those problems, then so be it. If I were to recommend my opinion for overclocking settings, I'd say 1100/1100 min/max set to interactive or interactiveX. It seems counter-intuitive, but I know of an article (for the life of me can't find the link, LeslieAnn posted the link in one of her replies to an LG Optimus V thread) where a developer did tests at different clocking settings. From his findings; overclocking is better than underclocking, minimum clock setting has a really miniscule effect on the idle power consumption, and setting min & max settings at the same step provides the most balanced power-performance ratio. Anyways, I'll look for the link and see if I can find it.

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I can't help but notice you have it clocked to 1200MHz. No criticism, and it's purely your choice, but clocking to 1200MHz isn't actually... well, I guess the word is, "beneficial". Personally, I'm clocked to 1100MHz, and I'll tell you why. Clocking the Nook at 1200MHz makes it: 1) Overheat very easily, 2) Drain through battery like a b***ch, and 3) It has no noticeable increase in performance. I'm not the only one out there who has noticed this either. But I can't dictate you and make you change it. Just informing you that Dragons may be ahead of you. If you don't have any of those problems, then so be it. If I were to recommend my opinion for overclocking settings, I'd say 1100/1100 min/max set to interactive or interactiveX. It seems counter-intuitive, but I know of an article (for the life of me can't find the link, LeslieAnn posted the link in one of her replies to an LG Optimus V thread) where a developer did tests at different clocking settings. From his findings; overclocking is better than underclocking, minimum clock setting has a really miniscule effect on the idle power consumption, and setting min & max settings at the same step provides the most balanced power-performance ratio. Anyways, I'll look for the link and see if I can find it.
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You know what? I'm here to learn too so any new idea, new knowledge, ..... all are welcomed. Once again, thanks.
Just I thought that at one point, we, dev. concluded that 1200 is best, not 1100, not 1300. That's the reason why I set 1200. Personally I haven't set to anything else beside stock 800 and OC 1200.
Since you said so, I will set it to 1100 and see if any better.
Thanks again, m8

Just get a new sd card here for 8 bucks: http://www.dailysteals.com/
16 gb class 4.
Only good for today.

Go download EaseUS, the free trial. It helped me expand my 16gb sandisk to full capacity after I imaged the files I wanted. EaseUS got a great rating on CNET. I figured out what I needed to do without watching the tutorial video.
If only I could get my nook to actually boot now :/

The EaseUS tool works like a charm. Thanks for the info. I got my 16GB back now...

I messed up my 32GB Sandisk (4) sd card too. It crashed running CM7 (no idea why) and I tried to reformat it using mini as suggested and then reinstall CM7 on it. It would not reformat to FAT32! So, then I wiped it, which maybe was my mistake. Anyway, now I can see the card in mini but checking the properties I see that it's all f'd up. Basically I can't format it as anything, number of cylinders appears to have changed, etc, etc. I have no idea what I did to it! Obviously, my knowledge on this subject is limited. I've learned how to create partitions, define or extend them and so on but know very little about how these little buggers work.
Since it cost about $25 on sale I'd like to fix it, if possible. Anybody have any ideas about how to fix or where I can go to learn? Does this problem have to do with the master build? I see that option in mini but don't understand what it is!
Sorry for being so stupid. I bought a new 16GB card and successfully made a new CM7 sd and restored apps using TB and content from my PC (thank god I had the presence of mind to back that stuff up)! I sure would like the extra 16GB back though....no $$ in the budget for anything more than the 16GB I bought.
I know this is sort of wandering from the OP but since others were discussing f'd up cards (albeit more easily repaired) I thought it would be ok. Feel free administrator, to redirect me if I should start new thread in Q&A. I did surf there and ran a global search of the NT threads and this was the best of four pertinent threads I found.
Snooch
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But this is a nook color thread.
Everyone here uses burning software to put bootable NC images on the device and it fixes it. Not sure if such things exist on the NT. Best to search there.