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I'm getting a bit miffed with the exec constantly connecting to 3G or GPRS without prompting.
Every time I forget to close Internet Explorer, come off the WIFI at work and come home to find (2 hrs later) it has connected to 3G for all this time and worse still has loaded the f*** o2pda.co.uk page and 50, 000 nasty images.
Can I disable 3G/GPRS completely? And toggle it manually when I do need it? Which is hardly ever given the cost ...
Gubbs
Uhm sorry to answer my own question but ..
If you go to Start > System > GPRS Settings and change it from PAP to CHAP it can't connect anymore.
Handy to turn off the bloody expensive self-dialling when idle internet access.
BTW: Does anyone else find this extremely annoying or is it just me?
I think o2 are going to get told to f*** themselves if I get a whopping data bill this month.
If you don't even include the ability to turn the feature off how can you charge for it?
Its like a credit card that will, in lieu of any genuine spending activity, log on to ebay and buy you a half dozen mint condition copies of Heffner: The Official Biography and some oversized German trench wellies from WW1.
Bloody marvelous that!
Man I really hate T-Mobile's tech support. I called them to ask a simple question:
If I cancel my Total Internet Package which is just 20$ more on by phone bill that I don't really need to be spending, will I be charged for using the WIFI on my phone when I am at home?
I have Comcast cable internet at home and can pick up the router's signal with my MDA even with the sim card out and browse the internet.
They turned around and told me that I would be charged per Kb if I canceled my Total Internet Package and then used my WIFI to pick up my home internet service.
By the way this was T-Mobile's Windows Mobile Department that told me this...
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Ok now I have 2 questions for all of you.
Is what T-mobile told me true?
Is there a cheaper way to get unlimited GPRS internet than T-Mobile's $19.99 Total Internet package?
The only time I use my GPRS is to update WeatherPanel and when I am using the OZ Instant Messenger. All other time I spend on the internet is with WIFI turned on and GPRS turned off.
Please, all help will be greatly appreciated and well received.
Thanks in advance, your friendly neighborhood computer geek, Dan.
Well I hope I can help answer your question somewhat.
I do not pay for the GPRS service through Tmobile, I try not to use it at all. If I pull data through it then I am charged. But if i use a wifi hotspot then Tmobile will not charge me. In truth they should have no way of telling if and when I use a WiFi connection. The reason the rep told you this was really a twisting of the truth. He can probably get away with telling you this because it will cut your access to Tmobile HotSpots which you get access to with the data plan. Sneaky sneaky bastards, you should post this little tale on http://consumerist.com/ .
To answer the second if Tmobile is your carrier then NO I dont believe you can get GPRS data from another carrier. Unless your phone is sim unlocked and you choose to use another carrier to get your data through, but this will need you to switch sims out. Either way your gonna pay for it. I would hold out till 1-2 quarter of 2008 Tmobile will start its HSDPA role out, providing upwards of 3Mbps for data. Of course you will need a phone capable of HSDPA, but such is life.
If I am uninformed of another method maybe someone here will be so kind as to enlighten us.
ritalin said:
Well I hope I can help answer your question somewhat.
I do not pay for the GPRS service through Tmobile, I try not to use it at all. If I pull data through it then I am charged. But if i use a wifi hotspot then Tmobile will not charge me. In truth they should have no way of telling if and when I use a WiFi connection. The reason the rep told you this was really a twisting of the truth. He can probably get away with telling you this because it will cut your access to Tmobile HotSpots which you get access to with the data plan. Sneaky sneaky bastards, you should post this little tale on http://consumerist.com/ .
To answer the second if Tmobile is your carrier then NO I dont believe you can get GPRS data from another carrier. Unless your phone is sim unlocked and you choose to use another carrier to get your data through, but this will need you to switch sims out. Either way your gonna pay for it. I would hold out till 1-2 quarter of 2008 Tmobile will start its HSDPA role out, providing upwards of 3Mbps for data. Of course you will need a phone capable of HSDPA, but such is life.
If I am uninformed of another method maybe someone here will be so kind as to enlighten us.
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I figured T-Mobile was full of S**T... I know I can access the internet via WIFI even without a sim card in the device. I only use it at home or in hospitals anyway. Like I said though, the GPRS for me, is just for WeatherPanel. That's why I am trying to find a cheaper way...
Thank you for your help though. Not the answer I was hoping for but very grateful non the less.
Dan.
You won't get charged for using wifi. If weather panel is all you really use GPRS for then go to the 5.99 plan. That's what I use and have no problem using weather panel or even browsing the web. The other day I even streamed video over it, although GPRS is way too slow to be any use for that but I wanted to see if it worked. The only apps that I know of that do have problems are mostly IM apps since they have most of the ports that those programs use blocked on the 5.99 plan.
Just realized that you said that you use OZ IM, I'm not sure if that will work or not, I can't seem to get it to work with WM6.
You will not be charged per kilobyte, whoever told you that was either new or retarded. The only difference you will see is that your instant messaging will go thru text messages instead of wifi, charging you per message, to log in, to log out, etc. That's due to the way the OZ instant messaging is written. The 5.99 has been working for a lot of people, but it was a glitch in the system that is slowly being fixed market by market, so don't get upset if it doesn't work for you or if it suddenly stops working, as it was never meant to work. If you connect thru wifi, you won't pay anything as it's your connection thru wifi to your phone's wifi, and the T-Mobile network is nowhere in the mix. Again, the Instant Messaging will be billed as text messages.
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You will not be charged per kilobyte, whoever told you that was either new or retarded. The only difference you will see is that your instant messaging will go thru text messages instead of wifi, charging you per message, to log in, to log out, etc. That's due to the way the OZ instant messaging is written. The 5.99 has been working for a lot of people, but it was a glitch in the system that is slowly being fixed market by market, so don't get upset if it doesn't work for you or if it suddenly stops working, as it was never meant to work. If you connect thru wifi, you won't pay anything as it's your connection thru wifi to your phone's wifi, and the T-Mobile network is nowhere in the mix. Again, the Instant Messaging will be billed as text messages.
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That is really good to know. Can you tell me or direct me to a thread that explains the real difference between the 5.99 plan and the 19.99 Total Internet Package?
i don't know about the question you had, but I've had the other extreme as far as Tmo's customer support/tech support... always been great to me. Even after 2 refurbs.
Whoever told you that you'd be charged using Wi-Fi was either full of it or was ASSUMING you would then be accessing T-Mo services...why would you? Just use whatever service you use from home.
I use my MDA with Wi-Fi in my house ALL the time and it has NOTHING to do with T-Mobile. It's not EDGE/GPRS--it's a totally different technology, just like hooking your wireless laptop up to your home router.
Furthermore, you can use the Wi-Fi with T-Mobile Hot Spots if you have that subscription with ANY Wi-Fi computer you have--no reason to have more than one Hot Spot account--many hotels now have it, not just Starbucks.
T-Mobile NOW forces you to pay for Hot Spots with Internet Service as a bundle but they are different technologies.
The Internet Service is EDGE/GPRS and that is a CELLULAR service and is programmed into your SIM chip. I use that too. My MDA can hook into eMail and web sites without a Wi-Fi connection via the cell modem. But it's not nearly as fast.
I actually have 2 SIM chips with this service--I got one for my old IPAQ6315, but that's in the MDA. The one in the MDA is in my notebook computer--it has a Cingular Sony Ericsson cellular modem that I got the unlock code for, and put the chip from the MDA in there--I ALSO can use my notebook with EDGE/GPRS, or Wi-Fi (or even RJ45) connections.
I have the eMail for my regular eMail routed to my MDA--no messing with another address. So it's working a lot like a Blackberry as well.
Finally, you asked if there's a cheaper alternative: There is. It's called "T-Zones" and it's T-Mo's WAP service, for $6 or $7/month. It gives you the limited access you get on cell phones, and you already have it with the fancier internet access--click on T-Zones and you'll see it.
Generally, with T-Mo, service is a waste of time till you get to Level 2. But if you get to Level 3, then you get the techs that really know their business. The PDA support can be similar. But you got to jump through a lot of hoops to reach that level and that can take 30-45 minutes on the phone. Be persistent.
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That is really good to know. Can you tell me or direct me to a thread that explains the real difference between the 5.99 plan and the 19.99 Total Internet Package?
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the 19.99 plan gives you your actual connection to the GPRS/EDGE(and in 4 test markets 3G! T-Mobile bought a whole lot of 3g network up recently.) network (internet2.voicestream.com), by connecting thru this route you are given access to the ports required to get to full websites, as well as email servers, etc.
the 5.99 plan is your basic wap access, t-zones and other wap sites. It's what is used by motorola's, samsungs, basic phones. Gives you access to your account information from T-Mobile's wap sites (but not on an mda running less than wm6 and having had the tzones applett installed), accuweather's website, and other wap websites. By connecting thru the wap APN, you are directed thru a filter that doesn't allow you full access to normal websites.
Now, T-Mobile has a glitch in their system where every now and then you get 5.99 internet and your number isn't put into the filter, so the ports that were supposed to be closed off to you never were, and you can browse and email just as if you had the 19.99 feature. The only problem? They know of the glitch and are closing it market by market, which has been taking the better part of 7 months now, but it's not that far from being finished.
Almost all programs you have installed on the mda that are third party will default to what ever internet connection is available, however, the OZ instant messaging program from the MDA and almost all other T-Mobile PDA's is written specifically to use the SMS (short message system) as the next backup if you aren't connected thru the internet2.voicestream.com, or blackberry.net apn if you are using a blackberry, so if you are connected thru wifi, then you will be charged text for each message.
Hope this helps, if not, let me know.
Johnny
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Hey guys, I finally got my Blackstone wednesday and have been messing with it since then. I am currently out of town but when i get back, I plan on opening a T-mobile contract to run the phone on. I chose them, because, A) i can get a good deal on a contract with MYFAVES, INTERNET, HOTSPOTS, and TEXTS, and since i am not a big talker, the MYFAVES would work for me and B) AT&T is just too [email protected] expensive for me. My questions is, for those who are using the HTC TOUCH HD on T-mobile, of course besides the lack of 3G like everyone is stating, how is the internet browser. A friend of mine runs his HD on AT&T, but I cannot afford a big plan, without a MyFaves type option. Post up experiences only if you are running the HD on T-Mobile. Thanks
I'm currently using the HD on T-Mobile. I like it. No US 3G means doesn't matter if its AT&T or T-Mobile, you can't get 3G for either. I running off of T-Zones and the speeds are barable. I don't do heavy surfing when I'm outside of WiFi but I do push my e-mails and occasionally check up on my bookmarks. So far, so good.
Oh and before you sign up, check up www.freelancersunion.org .... if your a member you get a 10% everyone and nice perks on phones... like oh lets say 140 for G1 or free blackberrys... Good luck!
Just remember your already going to be stuck on edge.. And T-Mobiles edge speeds are much slower than AT&T's.
Thanks alot guys for the input. I really do not do much video streaming but do use the internet for email and occasionally checking and replying to forums. If i get the T-ZONES which would allow me to use WIFI im sure i can catch a signal somewhere. I just want to keep this bumped for more input
I generally get speeds of around 150Kb with EDGE and browsing works fine. Streaming YouTube automatically adjusts the image size depending on the bandwidth. I get full screen with WiFi and about 1/2 with EDGE. I occasionally get an "insufficent bandwidth" message on EDGE, but that's rare. It would be nice to have 3G, but T-Mobile is really taking their time putting out a decent PPC phone and 3G is only in some large cities so far. By the time they put out a device like the Touch HD and install 3G in my city, maybe I'll buy another phone, but for now I'm really happy with it.
I have been using mine onf T-Mobile for a while now. No complaints what so ever. Once you choose Touch HD to use in the US. You have lost the option of 3G anywayz. So why think of ATT and its huge pice plans. I am not entirely sure about ATT EDGE being faster than T-Mobile. But I am pretty happy with my EDGE speeds on T-Mo. Browsing is fast enough, I can even watch YouTube vdos through edge.
You always have WiFi which is much faster than 3G. I am using mine with Cooked ROMs from here and I am enjoyin every bit of it with no regret.
for the ones that got TMobile and the HD. what internet plan do you have?
what are the settings on the phone?
are your guys MMS fast?
i dont get mine for a couple days.. but maybe cuz i haven't set up any internet connection?
when you called tmobile did you just ask for tzones?
thanks for the help..
T-Mobile on Touch HD
tyronne1126 said:
for the ones that got TMobile and the HD. what internet plan do you have?
what are the settings on the phone?
are your guys MMS fast?
i dont get mine for a couple days.. but maybe cuz i haven't set up any internet connection?
when you called tmobile did you just ask for tzones?
thanks for the help..
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Well, as far as the settings go, I just stuck my T-Mobile Sim and it automatically detected it and configured everything including MMS
The speeds arent that bad, you have to remember that most people view only a dozen or so sites regularly that's the whole idea behind cashing pages.
But even besides that the speeds are not that bad. Opera is really good at rendering pages. I thought I would not be able to deal with it coming off the G1 but I barely notice to be hones with you.
I can do a screenie of my t-mobile setting for my g1 there were a bunch of Access points that I didn't know exsisted. there are like a dozen or so, you can try to configure those manually to see if you can purge faster speeds and report back.
I don't have it with me right now, but if yo PM me I'd be more than happy to do so
I hope this helps.
Peace!
your settings should automatically be detected but the default address is usually wap.voicestream.xxxx . all I did was let it auto detect and change both tmobile data and tmobile mms to epc.tmobile.com I heard the epc is faster than the wap. try that.
No problems in the USA
I have been with TMo in the USA for 4 years and have nothing but good things to say. Great coverage (I am an airline pilot and the means a lot!) and great plans. My previous phone was the JasJar (HTC Universal) and it was stuck with GPRS only so Edge has been a nice, surprising speed boost that is very acceptable for browsing, Google Maps etc. While it is true that Edge won't let me stream the max quality videos from YouTube, I don't think I am missing much by not having 3G. Using my WiFi connection at home is only a substantial benefit when I want to download a large file, which I almost never do.
The HD and Tmo have a great working realationship.
Regards,
Gordo
i mean.. what are the tzone settings.. and i ask for tzone.. pay 5.99 or whatever.. and i can do youtube? opera? weather? and everything?
is that possible?
how?
tyronne1126 said:
i mean.. what are the tzone settings.. and i ask for tzone.. pay 5.99 or whatever.. and i can do youtube? opera? weather? and everything?
is that possible?
how?
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I'm looking for this as well. I have a download that I used for my Kaiser. Is this the same one?
i dont know.. this is my 1st WinMo phone.. no one gives an exact answer =/.. does anyone know?
I'm finding T-mo with their data plan (2G) quite bearable: I don't even try streaming media, it would be pure frustration, but is fine with wifi (faster than 3G anyway).
Search/Google "T-mobile T-zones youtube and internet access". You'll find the default settings will allow you to access only T-mo's T-zones content. There have been some port configuration hacks posted over the last couple of years, but T-mo may have plugged those up by now.
I look at it this way.... I just spent, what $750 on a phone, another $19.00 for the data plan isn't going to make a damned bit of difference. If you got yours cheaper, consider the difference as free data for a while.
Cheeze[iT] said:
your settings should automatically be detected but the default address is usually wap.voicestream.xxxx . all I did was let it auto detect and change both tmobile data and tmobile mms to epc.tmobile.com I heard the epc is faster than the wap. try that.
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I have been using TMobile for years without any problems and if you have problems they have great Tech support. BTW ' epc ' did not work on my HD
for a data connection.
Awesome thanks guys for your replies. I order my phone and plan for T-mobile today thru Telesales with a major discount i got. Will have it overnighted to me and should hopefully have my phone and plan by tuesday.....so that means that the BLACKSTONE should be running then....majorly excited!!!!
Hi all,
After I recieved my HD2, my first phone bill was £28 (on an £18pm tarrif).
Today I got my bill and it was £56!
I make virtually no outgoing calls, so this must be the internet thats costing me.
However I barely use that either.... + the tarrif includes something like 2GB allowance, surely I cant be going over that!
What could be causing this? I've tried looking for things running in the background that could be making a permanent connection but can't see anything.
Any ideas?
I might just add, that I barely use the internet either.
Actually, I will be ringing them tomorrow.
I have a sneeky suspiscion that when they cancelled my old contract, they didnt put my back onto Direct Debit.
This would 'almost' come to this kind of figure, as you get charged £10 for late payment also.
I'm going to flip if this is the case.
Hi & welcome.
Have you confirmed with your network that the higher bill IS due to the data connection?
Also, if you do not want the device to connect to the internet,check that you havnt got Auto update checked for certain apps eg: weather,stocks etc...
To help prevent the connection,install the attached cab and disable the mobile data connections. Let us know how you get on.
Hey everyone,
I have a dell venue pro and I live in the UK and am on the O2 network. I am on the £10 tarriff with a £3 bolt on which gives me 100 Mb of internet to use per month, I thought this would be enough for casual Facebook updates and using Bing maps, however when the bolt on was activated I turned my WiFi on because I was at home and watched a 40 minute video off the internet, when I checked my allowance it said I had used 70mb! First of all my WiFi was on so my cellular connection shouldn't have been used anyway so I phone o2 who said sorry we only charge for what you use. So I disabled my WiFi enabled 3g and went on google and Facebook and it cost me 9mb! When I turned off 3g the usage was sensible again, so is there something going on in the background that I should turn off? My email is synced at every half an hour but that's the only background thing going on that I am aware of, all my friends use 3g and there internet usage is nowhere as near as wild as mine is, can anyone please help me?
Cheers,
Syed
techrack said:
Hey everyone,
I have a dell venue pro and I live in the UK and am on the O2 network. I am on the £10 tarriff with a £3 bolt on which gives me 100 Mb of internet to use per month, I thought this would be enough for casual Facebook updates and using Bing maps, however when the bolt on was activated I turned my WiFi on because I was at home and watched a 40 minute video off the internet, when I checked my allowance it said I had used 70mb! First of all my WiFi was on so my cellular connection shouldn't have been used anyway so I phone o2 who said sorry we only charge for what you use. So I disabled my WiFi enabled 3g and went on google and Facebook and it cost me 9mb! When I turned off 3g the usage was sensible again, so is there something going on in the background that I should turn off? My email is synced at every half an hour but that's the only background thing going on that I am aware of, all my friends use 3g and there internet usage is nowhere as near as wild as mine is, can anyone please help me?
Cheers,
Syed
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I had a similar experience a while back. Since my mobile provider offers automatic text messages when I'm about to reach my 3G limit along with full history log of usage, I had a look and noticed my DVP stayed connected for over an hour somehow even though I was not using the phone at that time. E-mail checks were setup like yours. The weird thing is that it didn't happen in the beginning when I used 3G and left it on without using it.
By any chance did you update to the 8107 version of Mango? Because it only happened to me after that, perhaps it's related? I forced the update on my phone...
Ascario said:
I had a similar experience a while back. Since my mobile provider offers automatic text messages when I'm about to reach my 3G limit along with full history log of usage, I had a look and noticed my DVP stayed connected for over an hour somehow even though I was not using the phone at that time. E-mail checks were setup like yours. The weird thing is that it didn't happen in the beginning when I used 3G and left it on without using it.
By any chance did you update to the 8107 version of Mango? Because it only happened to me after that, perhaps it's related? I forced the update on my phone...
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Thanks for the reply. My phone came pre-loaded with Mango so I've never experienced pre-Mango. The OS version on my phone is 7.10.7720.68. After you forced the update 8107, is the internet usage back down to normal with 3g? Thanks.