I'm getting a bit miffed with the exec constantly connecting to 3G or GPRS without prompting.
Every time I forget to close Internet Explorer, come off the WIFI at work and come home to find (2 hrs later) it has connected to 3G for all this time and worse still has loaded the f*** o2pda.co.uk page and 50, 000 nasty images.
Can I disable 3G/GPRS completely? And toggle it manually when I do need it? Which is hardly ever given the cost ...
Gubbs
Uhm sorry to answer my own question but ..
If you go to Start > System > GPRS Settings and change it from PAP to CHAP it can't connect anymore.
Handy to turn off the bloody expensive self-dialling when idle internet access.
BTW: Does anyone else find this extremely annoying or is it just me?
I think o2 are going to get told to f*** themselves if I get a whopping data bill this month.
If you don't even include the ability to turn the feature off how can you charge for it?
Its like a credit card that will, in lieu of any genuine spending activity, log on to ebay and buy you a half dozen mint condition copies of Heffner: The Official Biography and some oversized German trench wellies from WW1.
Bloody marvelous that!
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Hi,
Maybe its an odd question.....
When I press send&receive on my inbox my XDA connects via GPRS to the internet.
So good so far. Then Pocket outlook has finished, it does not disconnect.
Is there a setting, which I missed, or is it a bug?
Please help.
regards,
Silver
Hey Silver,
check this posting
http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1822
for now and you could find and anwser. Its considered as a bug for the time being and there is a temp. solution for it.
:wink:
Thanks ARZLEB,
I looked on http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com
for spb gprs traffic monitor but I didn't find it. Do you know where I can get it from?
regards,
Silver
Send me a private msg here with your email and i will email it to you later on today its not a big file...
@all:
why is it concerned to be a bug.... i don't see it that way. GPRS is imho an "always on" technology. why should one want to disconnect it.
imho wm2003 uses more of that "push" technology that pushes emails ect from the serve to your pocketpc as soon as they arrive. that for the device has to be connected all the time.....
or maybe i'm totally wrong ) could be as well of course *g*
servus ize|man
Well simply because GPRS always on = battery concemption = less talk time.
Also sometimes GPRS always could make u miss a call... if there is any data activity and someone calls u at this moment it will sound like ur phone is either busy or OFF.
So i think u should have the ability to d/c ure GPRS session anytime u want!
@arzleb
aehmmm. are you sure you are right?
imho grps on is made possbile with the same mechanism that makes your gsm connected. so there should be no higher power drain. but i can't test that. it's just what i heard.
and you DEFINETLY get no "engaged" on the other side when you call a pocketpc that has a grps running grps connection. i just tested that again. gprs gets suspended when a call comes in. that's all. (i was d'ling a file when i called myself on the phone - it took some seconds more to get the call through though)
servus ize|man
Yeah i agree all that is true but u didnt take into consideration some of the Operator settings.
Here my operator settings for GPRS is that the party calling me while i am downloading a file gets an engaged or sometimes OFF tone.
What ure telling is the way it should be ... but its not the case everywhere!
:?
I think GPRS "Always-On" is how the device was intended to be & finally is almost 2years later! :evil:
To further illustrate GPRS has a ALWAYS been advertised as an "Always-On" service from it's conception. In addition almost all Mobile Phones implimenting GPRS technology have had this "Always-On" connectivity behavior from the beginning. It is simply an embarrassment to Microsoft that this standard function available on Mobile Terminals for over a year of the release of the XDA was finally instituted on this device. So this just appears to be something new to XDA users.
It does not effect your battery life any more than having your radio on.
If data cost is your concern use a CSD dial-up connection for your Inbox operations. There is an option in Inbox to choose which connection to use. The CSD function will act exactly as you are wishing it to. It will only take up to about 2.5 minutes of you talk time. I so far have not noticed a substantial increase in speed during Inbox operation using CSD verse GPRS.
To me I was furious that I had to wait as long as I did for the XDA to act like it's lesser Mobile Phone brothers. Personally the freedom of "Always-On" has changed the way I do business amazingly. The amount of freedom it provides me in giving me an almost "true-real-time" virtual office is incredible.
If data connection is a real tool to you, then you wont be able to live without a dedicated connection. If it is a novelty or cool factor, then you will always be worried about accumulating data costs, but don't worry if data usage is going to be successful for providers they are going to have to re-think their price structures (ala T-Mo unlimited) to eliminate or diminish this concern of customers if they want data services to be adopted by subscribers & simply to justify/recoup their cost to build these data networks. So be patient
if you have a program like messenger running it would have to send some data over GPRS once in awhile not sure how much it would be maybe
it's soo little it dont really matter
but if it's like one MB a week with XDA always on and GPRS always on
it would be pricy
a bit anyway
GPRS always on is a good thing, but at leased in Germany it is still very expensive.
So I like to have a option to switch it off.
GPRS monitor is really a cool tool for getting control over the GPRS costs.
Thanks 2 ARZLEB who pointed me the right direction.
regards
Silver
Silver its my pleasure anytime if i could help dont spare me
As to anwser the above posts about GPRS "always on" be sure that "always on" is used for the devices also that goes into Stand By therefor killing the active connection. Some of the ROMs from o2 and QTEK had this matter solved in the latest upgrades to keep GPRS always ON when device goes into stand by
BUT
What we are discussing here is the ability to d/c when we want! In the QTEK ROM 3.19 the GPRS always on would allow you to stay connected even when the device goes into stand by and also be able to d/c when u want. Also when sending and receiving email the device will connect and d/c as need it.
BUT
this isnt the case in WM2003 where u cant find a d/c button anywhere and that i consider wrong! Also taking into consideration that some countires GPRS is still expensive.
i hope you got my point on this matter - i can assure you its a bug and when talking to someone in the Mobile Division in Microsoft he assured me in an unofficial way that it is a bug...
:wink:
Sorry to change topics, but it is regarding GPRS. Does anyone have procedures on how to setup the GPRS connection. I loaded WM2003 4.20.1081 (Build 13100) and it seems to work great except no modem connection is setup.
Please help
What is the access point name for Tmobile?
I use internet2.voicestream.com or you can use wap.voicestream.com .
HTH
I've been with o2 now for 1x month, just recieved my second bill. However I'm not happy with their billing or customer service at all. There are a number of things I have been unhappy including waiting at least 10 minutes in the que before I'm answered by an o2 customer service rep. Even then they contradict each other giving wrong information its rediculas!
Anyway I will put aside my complaints about o2 for now except to say that their online billing is also crap. Towards the end of June I ran out of free minutes which was suspect at the time so I only used my phone thereafter when I had to in order to prevent clocking up a larger bill. Well the day before my free minutes should be renewed my o2 online bill showed me that I had over 3hrs remaining of free calls even though my bill also showed me that I've been billed extra for calls as my free minutes ran out.
The other complaint I have and this is where I'm asking for advice is that o2 claim I've been connecting to their mobile.o2.co.uk website and downloading data - WHICH I MOST DEFINATLEY HAVE NOT BEEN!!!!
I have disputed this three times with o2 and spent HOURS on the hours on the phone at my expense but they are still billing me for the extra GPRS data. Is there a way to check how much GPRS data has been used on my XDA II?
FAQ from my-XDA.com says this...
Question 9:
How can I track what my GPRS usage?
Answer:
Select Programs > File Explorer > My Device > Windows. Scroll down to the application labelled ByteCounter. Tap and Hold and select Copy. Scroll up and tap the Start Menu folder. Select Edit > Paste Shortcut. This utility is now on your Programs menu , and will report statistics for the last active connection.
Having followed this instruction I have NO "ByteCounter" in which to copy.
Thanks
Paul.
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/gprsmonitor/?en
you are going to pay
What about using the GSM type connection instead of the GPRS one?
Do you get free GSM minutes as well as a certain amount of free GPRS downloads?
Thanks Rudegar I'm trying out that program now.
davidand1, I'm with o2 on the 200 talk plan. I've not been told if I get free GSM minutes, I doubt it very much.
They don't tell you about it, although it'll be in the small print. I found out I get 500 free GSM minutes a month! It's admittedly slower than GPRS but there's a helluva lot less risk of incurring charges when compared to GPRS.
What do they give us these days, 1Mb free?! What a jip. I suggest you check it out, might be worth it...
SPB GPRS monitor is the way to go... it keeps track of your hourly, daily and monthly usages of GPRS.. it even creates a report for a certain period of time of how much you have spent or downloaded and uploaded.. really a must for mobile people...
GSM web access - but how? Free minutes goin a wastin!
oo that pesky anonymous guest!
Suggesting a fine idea then riding off into the sunset like that!
I get 50 minutes a day free which i used to use to check my email with WAP. Tried to get my XDAii to connect via WAP but despite a soul-destroying series of contacts with Orange customer services and wire-free specialists i ended up non the wiser. If anyone can post the settings for orange WAP access i'll be v grateful.
I seem to remember seeing them on another page in this fine forum sometime in the past. Tried em to no avail.
Ta
I got an XDAII in mid May (birthday present from my wife) and did not receive a bill until end June.
When I saw the first bill there was a GPRS call at 9.37am on a Sunday morning where I apparently downloaded 56MB of data ?. I cannot account for this and have repeatedly queried it. It has costed me EUR 231 plus VAT. which I am still querying with O2.
Can anyone help / clarify how this could or might have happened:
- I always turn off internet explorer after using it.
- I did not download any games, ringtones, video clips
- I was conscious of the cost of using the internet on GPRS so did not tend to stay on long.
- The most any another GPRS call cost me was EUR9.00. (which is expensive enough).
- 56 MB must be the equivalent of 100's of webpages and would have taken hours ? to down load
Could I have downloaded some sort of virus or could there have been some sort of program which downloaded itself. It was only a once off.
It is driving me mad and I am afraid to go near the internet XDA.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me and if so can I do aything with O2.
Thanks.
Hello,
Did you just semi-close (minimise with the 'X') I.E (Internet Explorer) .? or did you shut it down in the 'Running Program List' under 'Memory Settings'?
I made that mistake when I went to www.XE.com (live Foreign exchange rates), I just minimised it, turned off GPRS and left it on the kitchen table.
I went back to it 2 hrs later and it racked up €9 of GPRS!!!!!!!!!!!
XE.com refreshes itself every 30 seconds or there abouts, so it reconnected my XDA2 to GPRS!!!
So, if you left the IE on a site that refreshes itself frequently it will consume a lot of GPRS!!!!
Hope that helps
Andrew
E-mail could be another source of problems like this. Company VPN...would keep sending data constantly.
I guess I'm glad I have unlimited data...130MB downloaded so far this billing period!
Thanks for your replies Folks.
I think i just mininised/closed the screen by tapping the x - I thought that this closed the internet explorer. Obviously not.
I am glad to say that after three disputed claims (and being barred from making calls three times, despite paying all the other bill charges), O2 have credited my account to the value of the call, apologised for cutting me off three times and said that it was probably 'streamer' software which constnalty downloads updates weather, business, etc,. They restored my faith in O2 customer service. However, I will be slow to use the internet on my XDAII and will be sticking to Broadband which I have just connected up to.
It just shows - you should always query bills and not accept it even when they tell you that you are wrong
Sorry if you all already know this, but orange payg are offering unlimited gprs for only £1 per day, i've been using it for about 2 weeks and it's pretty good, it's a full data connection too so you can get emails or sync over the air etc. In my opinion the best part is that you can pick and choose when you want it.
yeah i'm on it too. The Orange Unlimited GPRS extra for £1 thing right?
People signing upwith Orange to get this extra,REMEMBER, the gprs extra runs out at midnight, regardless of what time you apply it!
Applying it at 23:00 is just plain stupid cos you'll have to re-apply the extra at 00:00 anyway.
I've got a contact stored on my XDA that is assigned to a speed dial key. When pressed, it automatically re-applies the extra.
To do the same, create a new contact & give it this phone number: 450p#p3p1p4p1p1
The call to 453 should take about 45 secs, after that your extra should be applied
THE GPRS DOES NOT INCLUDE DOWNLOADING OVER P2P PORTS!!! almost everything else works fine (ftp, http, https, msn messenger, e-mail-etc) but using p2p costs you money, regardless of whether the extra is applied or not.
anyone know of a PPC app that dials a contact at a scheduled time and disconnect after X seconds? would be real useful for this
does that mean i cud use skype on it?
jaceuk said:
does that mean i cud use skype on it?
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No, gprs is to slow for skype. My T-mobile gprs is about 40-50kbits/s. (flat-fee for 9,50 euro's a month )
sorry but what why can i use?
im looking into all thsi mobile net stuff but need to find the facts before i lay out money
if i try to get info in store they just try and sell,me stuff i dont need
Well its about the same speed as dial up, so you can surf the net (albeit slowly) and you can use MSN and collect email. its useful but its no replacement for wifi or 3G. I use it when I'm at work (i do a lot of waiting around)
Are you sure you are right ???? GPRS
Ive just picked up an orange sim and yes the £1.00 per day unlimited offer still stands but its for orange world , not other services . I thought from the original thread that this would give me GPRS access to the web ?
Can you confirm what service you have been getting with it ?
Im looking for a basic internet connection I dont mind slow but I do mind £2.35 and upwards per Meg .!!!
Any thoughts
Astro1
I can confirm (with 390 megs of GPRS used under my belt) that it works with any http address.
Haha, if the service worked with P2P, orange'd have been raped for bandwidth by now.
Hi all,
After I recieved my HD2, my first phone bill was £28 (on an £18pm tarrif).
Today I got my bill and it was £56!
I make virtually no outgoing calls, so this must be the internet thats costing me.
However I barely use that either.... + the tarrif includes something like 2GB allowance, surely I cant be going over that!
What could be causing this? I've tried looking for things running in the background that could be making a permanent connection but can't see anything.
Any ideas?
I might just add, that I barely use the internet either.
Actually, I will be ringing them tomorrow.
I have a sneeky suspiscion that when they cancelled my old contract, they didnt put my back onto Direct Debit.
This would 'almost' come to this kind of figure, as you get charged £10 for late payment also.
I'm going to flip if this is the case.
Hi & welcome.
Have you confirmed with your network that the higher bill IS due to the data connection?
Also, if you do not want the device to connect to the internet,check that you havnt got Auto update checked for certain apps eg: weather,stocks etc...
To help prevent the connection,install the attached cab and disable the mobile data connections. Let us know how you get on.