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Netfront 3.5 browser on HD?

Hi,
Just wondering if anyone has tried this browser on their HD yet? I really want to try a different browser as Opera is just a little bit annoying with the freezing thing!! I really want to have a go with Skyfire but until they do an update for WVGA screens I can't.
So how does Netfront compare to Opera?

So no one has tried netfront then on the HD?
May have to be a guinea pig then lol

AFK_Matrix said:
So no one has tried netfront then on the HD?
May have to be a guinea pig then lol
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please do because i have used it in the past on my Kaiser and liked it from what i remember.

Ok just had a little play with Netfront 3.5. Here is a brief review, please ask any questions you may have.
Pros:
1. Loads very quickly compared with Opera
2. No freezing when scrolling (very annoying on Opera!)
3. The highlighting on this is much better than on Opera. I can actually see if I have selected a link (highlights the link in blue when touched)
4. Renders webpages fine, only thing being is the text is noticeably different. Although it actually makes it easier to read this way.
Cons:
1. No on screen zoom, you have to go through the menu everytime.
2. It will only zoom to 125% which maybe ok on smaller screens but means text is still quite small on the HD
3. Won't turn into landscape, cant even use Gyrator 2 as it doesn't see Netfront in its applications list
So at the moment its not a replacement for Opera but if they solved the cons for this then I would use this over Opera in a hearbeat.
I am going to see if there is a feedback email or something on the Netfront webpage.

it runs and it's quite fast. but I don't like the usability some how so I stick with opera. but it's not bad.
worth to give it a try.

I like it. It's fast, though page redraws are somewhat flickery. Once the page has loaded it's very fast.
I did notice, however, that this beta version is due to expire on the 30th Nov 2008! :-(
J

One other thing - if you're interested in other browsers on the HD, there's also the webkit-based Iris Browser:
http://www.torchmobile.com/
Again, I prefer Opera, but it's good to try alternatives.
Still waiting for an HD-compatible version of Skyfire!
J

I think not being able to zoom (or having to go through menu's) would be a deal breaker for me

Opera...which freaking version?

Ok, I hope I dont get ripped into for this..but I couldnt find the answer.
I always found the web browsing experience pretty woeful on my X1...esp compared to the ifone. When you scroll up/down its juddery, giving me the two grey squares until it catches up on itself. Its really bad. I have installed various versions of Opera...the one I have stuck with is the version i found on this forum...when zooming you use an invisible scroll top right on the screen (does that make sense?)
Anyhoo, I then installed the superb Touch-it4.5...the version of opera in it is truely awesome! The juddering was gone, silky smooth and had a zoom button bottom left which worked even better than the version I was using...but...the hardware keyboard didnt work (I noticed a few other people had the same issue and the fix was to install another version). When going back, its all juddery again...did anybody get a fix for that version? What version does everybody else use as there are so many floating about.
Also, a little of topic but I was reading about a version of Opera (only on the symbian os so far?) that when you are presented with a bunch of buttons or text boxes (say for example a login/pass box) you simply click on them and it enlarges the boxs to full screen automatically and makes it alot easier to put in usernames/passes etc.
Thanks in advance folks, maybe once we get a complete fool proof guide we could stick the findings into the x1 tweaks, apps and panels thread!

fracmo2000 said:
did anybody get a fix for that version? What version does everybody else use as there are so many floating about.
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Unfortunately the working and non-working items are all within the Opera9.exe itself:
1. Vibration
2. Scroll with optical pad
3. Zoom with volume buttons
4. HW keyboard interaction.
5. PushInternet support
So there's very little chance of a "perfect" Opera version. I use 15991 with Zoom enabled on a PI enabled ROM or 15696 on a non-PI ROM.
You could try and switch on "Smooth Scrolling" in opera:config and see if that helps with the judderiness...

You should wait for 9.7 to be released

I had the exact same issue.
I downloaded Opera 9.5 BETA and it works a charm. The UI is slightly different (colours) to the one installed with 4.5 Touch-IT ROM but it works perfectly for me.
The only issue is that I have to launch it as a seperate program from my start menu. I cannot seem to make it my default browser (I have no idea how to do that!) and how to get the Internet tab "launch browser" to launch Opera 9.5 and not the standard Opera.
Also if you run the standard Opera installed with 4.5 Touch-IT ROM, close it and then try to run Opera 9.5 BETA, it only loads the standard Opera, not 9.5.
I have to turn my phone off and back on to solve this and start using 9.5 from my start menu.
Long winded but its how I cope..

Opera 9.5 b2 with Gears
I use the gears version now.
I had so many problems with logging into sites with the version that ships with the phone that I gave up. The stock version only plays lip-service to being able to use flash anyway so I don't feel I'm losing out.
Also, the caching and navigation to previous pages is way faster in the gears version of the browser. Occasionally it slows down and thinks about things for a little while, and it forcing back to the default keyboard every time you try to enter stuff into a text-box, but its a beta after all so what do you expect?!
Obviously the gears version doesn't have flash support but I can't say I've missed that, since the stock version wasn't that hot anyway ;o)

nkhangura said:
The only issue is that I have to launch it as a seperate program from my start menu. I cannot seem to make it my default browser (I have no idea how to do that!) and how to get the Internet tab "launch browser" to launch Opera 9.5 and not the standard Opera.
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If you paste the Opera9.exe, OperaL.exe and setup.dll files in to \Windows Manila will launch whatever version is there - for the second point II think the Manila files need ameding - haven't loooked yet though.

Opera Browser reflow is not consistent

Has anyone noticed how the Opera browser provided with the HD2 doesn'r reflow text correctly when you zoom in or out on text?
For example go to the bbc.com website and find an article on the main page. Then zoom in. It reflows fine. However if you then go into the actual story from the front page reflow to keep all the cahcracters on the screen rather than you neededing to scoll left to right stops working. Then when you go back to the main page the reflow is still not working?
I have tried this on multiple sites and get the same result ! I also tried another HD2 and the same thing happens.
The iphone and Safari does this without fault. Am I missing something that I need to set or is my experience different to everyone else?
I don't want to use skyfire because it comes with different limitations. Is the later version of Opera (v.10) any better in this respect?
I also notice that there isn't a Opera Mobile 10 for the HD2 !? Anyone know where I can get this?

alecs said:
Has anyone noticed how the Opera browser provided with the HD2 doesn'r reflow text correctly when you zoom in or out on text?
For example go to the bbc.com website and find an article on the main page. Then zoom in. It reflows fine. However if you then go into the actual story from the front page reflow to keep all the cahcracters on the screen rather than you neededing to scoll left to right stops working. Then when you go back to the main page the reflow is still not working?
I have tried this on multiple sites and get the same result ! I also tried another HD2 and the same thing happens.
The iphone and Safari does this without fault. Am I missing something that I need to set or is my experience different to everyone else?
I don't want to use skyfire because it comes with different limitations. Is the later version of Opera (v.10) any better in this respect?
I also notice that there isn't a Opera Mobile 10 for the HD2 !? Anyone know where I can get this?
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Here is Opera 10 for the HD2. I don't have a problem with reflow on my device, but then again there are something like 10+ versions of Opera 9.7 floating about.
Have a look here for all the different Opera 9.7 versions, see which works best for you.
*Edit* I use version 35964, it seems to work fine for me.

Its dependant on which build your using......
the one on the t mobile stock rom was perfect.....
I just tried a cleanex rom and opera was not as slick as I was used to....
Im off to try an energy rom and see what thats like.......

Thanks for the information. I have a standard HTC rom and the phone is from the UK.
ROM version 1.66.405.2
Radio version 2.06.51.07
Opera Mobile version 9.7 Build 35627
I'll try downloading the latest version of Opera 10. Thanks.
Just one last thing. I updated my version of Opera so it could play flash with the Flash. Will this install put in an additional version of opera or overwrite the current one?
Does this version natively support Flash?

alecs said:
Just one last thing. I updated my version of Opera so it could play flash with the Flash. Will this install put in an additional version of opera or overwrite the current one?
Does this version natively support Flash?
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It will overwrite the version you have installed. I should think it plays flash, I am not certain as I don't use flash on my HD2 (I assume you mean 9.7), Opera 10 supports it natively for sure.

Thanks for the answers, I have just loaded version 10. Forgive the noob questions....
OMG, It doesn't have pinch to zoom !!!!!!!!!!! Reflow doesn't work because it is set to a double tap zoom and the text seems to left justify too much so the text is cut in half and you have to scroll over to the left! And the Zoom is way to high. I know you can set it to certain zoom levels but its one zoom in and one zoom out. Thats not very good in my book.
Also the settings available seem far less than there were with 9.7.
Also is there any way to change the default search engine from google?
Lastly, is there any way to set vibrate to happen when you click on a link.
I also went to youtube and it doesn't seem to play flash
Not sure I think version 10 is an improvement at the moment. Is there a thread somwhere that talks about opera 10 on xda?

Its pure personal preference, I tried 10 and didnt like it, mainly due to pinch to zoom and reflow......... the flash is tempremental... I got youtube working but other flash content didnt........
Theres no harm in having both 10 and 9.7........
In this case you can have your cake and eat it..........
For flash I'd reccomend skyfire........its quite slow and the ui is ugly and dated but it works 95% of the time as far as flash is concerned......... again though its all down to personal preference...........

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[Q] Opera Mobile 10 For TP2?

So I downloaded the latest version of Opera Mobile (10) from Opera's website but I've noticed now that it is not compatible with the zoom slider on the bottom; it does not give you the option to minimize when you click on exit like 9.7 does; and it always uses the whole screen so it's slightly harder to multitask.
Is there a TP2-specific version that retains all the previous compatible features of 9.7?
Thanks!

I just installed Opera 10 on mine last night.... and I uninstalled it within 15 minutes of use. Opera 9.7 native to the rom is slow and buggy. PIE functions far better IMO. However, Mini is still the first go-to browser for me. It just flat works and is fast. I still keep PIE as the default browser, and use Skyfire for when I need to view desktop version of sites. So I rotate between those three depending on what site I need to view.

Hmm ok thanks for the input. I installed Mini the other day but it looked and seemed to perform exactly the same as Mobile 10 so I uninstalled it (didn't see the point of having both installed). Maybe I'll give it another chance. I used Skyfire on my Titan but haven't tried the latest versions on this phone yet so I'll give it a try.
PIE seems to run really slow for me.

unL33T said:
Hmm ok thanks for the input. I installed Mini the other day but it looked and seemed to perform exactly the same as Mobile 10 so I uninstalled it (didn't see the point of having both installed). Maybe I'll give it another chance. I used Skyfire on my Titan but haven't tried the latest versions on this phone yet so I'll give it a try.
PIE seems to run really slow for me.
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Yes PIE is slow, and it sure looks a whole lot like Opera 9.7 IMO. But it does function better for some sites. For example, if I'm on Youtube's site, PIE will open up the video links in Steaming media, Opera Mini will not. But Mini flys through most wap/mobile sites, and that is why I use it 75% of the time. Skyfire can be slow too, but it will open up a site like a desktop... for the most part.
Opera 10 from what I can tell, is a bloated version of Opera Mini.

I too tried Opera 10 a while back and got rid of it quickly - however, I have come back to 10 and have learnt to live without the zoombar, since it is faster and takes up less RAM I was finding Opera 9.7 would often quit, even if I wasn't trying to multitask, whereas 10 deosn't seem to, even if I hit the Windows hard key and open up emial or calendar etc.

Wow, 9.7 closes on you? I have yet to have an application close on this phone even when I have lots of stuff open. But I've been running mostly MightyROM since I got it.

Opera 10 only has 2 levels of "zoom". It does not have a scalable zoom, so there is no way to make it compatible with the zoom bar on the TP2.

redpoint73 said:
Opera 10 only has 2 levels of "zoom". It does not have a scalable zoom, so there is no way to make it compatible with the zoom bar on the TP2.
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Actually, O10 has 7 levels of "zoom" within the settings tab. OMini has "text size" for it's pseudo zoom.

Skyfire for tilt2
is skyfire working for anyone on their tilt2?? i loved skyfire when ti was workigmn but a month ago it quit due to the iphone introduction to skyfire. All i want to do is listen to my www.skysports.com/radio on the tilt but no luck lately. tried opera mini but no luck

I would like to ask to anyone who uses Opera10 or 9.7 on your TP2 : How in the world can you cope with the scrolling thing with this browser? I mean the scrolling is really sluggish - I move up with my fingers, the scrolling is delayed by some seconds, and when I tried to scroll left/right/down, the scrolling respond after some seconds and the page scrolls by itself in all directions since it remembers the movements made of my finger.
I find this browser sluggish and very difficult/annoying to use - how can you guys still be using Opera 9.7/10?

I have never had those problems with Opera 10 on my (T-Mobile) TP2 running WM 6.5. It works fine for me.

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I have never had those problems with Opera 10 on my (T-Mobile) TP2 running WM 6.5. It works fine for me.
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Are you sure the scrolling is smooth with Opera10? I've tried on 2 tp2 and the results are the same. I think it's called ghosting. The finger scrolling lags and is a pain to browse the whole page.

Opera 10 working fine
I too had experienced some issues with the early builds of Opera 10 both beta and finals, but I have come back to it and use it a good 98% of the time when I want to surf the net on my phone. Seems that they may have fixed the issues with the lag from the early builds.
Then again, it just may be the ROM that I am using.

Seriously???
I don't know how you can think 9.7 is faster or better than 10!?!?! Simple one click zoom, fast page load times, speed dial on homepage. 10 is alot better, besides, if you want to minimize, just hit the end ket and go into task manager in upper right corner. There is also a TRULY final version on opera's website....it is very stable and smooth. I too had issues with the beta and switched to skyfire (mistake) but when the final came out, amazing.

I have a tip......its seems that whatsoever version of roms..the integrated Opera browser seems to be slow and not working well. So I removed it from my programs and downloaded Opera Mini 1. This browser is with in 2 sec on a website page. My advice?.....dont use the browser on the ROM ..it doesnt work well...

opera mini best
imm useing opera mini on my tilt 2 with no problems whatsoever. best web browzer that is compairable to a computer browzer iff u overclock urr device. iff there was a way to make the zoom bar compatible with opera mini even to just 1 or 2 zoom levels ide b happy.

Opera Mini 5.1 Released! (no longer 5 beta)

Haven't seen this posted yet, so here you go.
Opera blog post:
http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2010/09/09/opera-mini-5-1-for-windows-mobile
Opera Mini 5.1 for Windows Mobile is here!
The long-awaited Opera Mini 5.1 for Windows Phone 6.5, Windows Mobile 6, Windows Mobile 5, and Windows Mobile 2003 based handsets has finally arrived. We have worked days and nights to improve on every aspect of the browser and make it integrate even better with the Windows Mobile platform. Some highlights include default browser functionality and a completely rewritten IME solution that taps directly into the device's own input method. A big thanks to all our users on Windows Mobile who have waited so patiently for this release.
NEW FEATURES
- Ability to set Opera Mini as default browser on the device.
- Support for g-sensor screen rotation on HTC and Samsung devices.
- Support for predictive input if the device supports it natively.
- Improved page layout on high-resolution screens.
- Improved kinetic scrolling.
- Use HQVGA skin for devices with less than QVGA resolution.
- Installer is now signed with VeriSign so Opera Mini will be a trusted application on your handset.
- Alternative installer that works on Windows Mobile 2003 Pocket PC devices.
- Advanced configuration in registry for power-users (see here for more information).
BUG FIXES
- Multitap input is working on 'classic' keypad devices.
- Input is working on qwerty keypad devices by Samsung and Amoi.
- Keypad shortcuts working on more devices.
- Ability to download files to memory card.
- Clock in Opera Mini is correct in all time zones now.
- Spanish locale is correctly detected.
- URLs and downloaded files can be passed to other applications as a platform request.
- Many bug fixes in Opera Mini browser core for stability and rendering accuracy.
NOTES
- Opera Mini 5.1 will be installed in parallel with Opera Mini 5.0 beta if the latter is already installed on your device.
- Opera Mini 5.1 will not import existing user data from Opera Mini 5.0 beta. Please consider using Opera Link to bring over bookmarks and speed dials to the new version.
- When set as default browser, Opera Mini 5.1 will not be the default viewer application for html files or other web page related files that may exist locally on your device.
To download Opera Mini 5.1 for Windows Mobile handsets visit http://m.opera.com/ on your phone or http://www.opera.com/mobile/download/pc/ on your PC.
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Opera Mini = Amazing
It is much faster and more fluid scrolling than either Skyfire or Opera mobile.
Coming from Android (and iPhone before that) the Hd2 was lacking a great web browsing experience but No More!

OMini 5 beta was nice, but I love the better scrolling in 5.1! I've been using OMini as my browser since my Wizard.

Does 5.1 support pinch-to-zoom?

Jimmmycrackcorn said:
Does 5.1 support pinch-to-zoom?
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I responded in the TmoUS HD2 thread but here you go:
i have always used mini in mobile view but iirc when a page is zoomed out it'll auto zoom to wherever you tap on the page. i don't think there is pinch to zoom.
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One wierd thing for me is if I press the home button while in landscape then Opera Mini sticks on the screen and doesnt go away unless I power off the phone. If I press the home button while in portrait its fine and goes away.
Anyone else having this problem?
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Does 5.1 support pinch-to-zoom?
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No pinch to zoom but all you do is tap on the screen once and it zooms in perfectly.

ap3604 said:
One wierd thing for me is if I press the home button while in landscape then Opera Mini sticks on the screen and doesnt go away unless I power off the phone. If I press the home button while in portrait its fine and goes away.
Anyone else having this problem?
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It's because the HD2 doesn't do landscape for the home tab. Next time you do that, just hit the start menu button & bring back OMini or any other app that does do landscape (sms, albums, file explorer) & then go back to portrait & then hit home. I ran in to this when using Comic Reader Mobi

Does anyone know how clearing the cache memory works on Opera Mini?
On the Opera Mobile browser it would have an option in the security settings to clear cache so the browser wouldnt slow down but I dont see that option on Opera Mini.
Ive done google searches for "opera mini clear cache" but didnt find anything conclusive. Mostly was blackberry users assuming that the clear history option in settings also clears the cache. One person also said the cache gets cleared when you exit the browser?
Does anyone with alot of Opera experience know how clearing the cache works on Opera Mini?
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It's because the HD2 doesn't do landscape for the home tab. Next time you do that, just hit the start menu button & bring back OMini or any other app that does do landscape (sms, albums, file explorer) & then go back to portrait & then hit home. I ran in to this when using Comic Reader Mobi
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Your a wise man thank you for letting me know =)

So there is no pinch to zoom? can someone confirm that?
If there is no pinch to zoom, i'm not gonna use it, because I really want to keep using pinch to zoom!

joshoon said:
So there is no pinch to zoom? can someone confirm that?
If there is no pinch to zoom, i'm not gonna use it, because I really want to keep using pinch to zoom!
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Read 3 posts above yours at #6...

Do you like the 5 mini, and why?
I've set it as default for it a week. Yes it loads faster, and the 9-grid home screen thumbnails looks better than the HD2 2-column thumbnails. I'm however switching back to the stock Opera 9.7 now. Things I don't like about Opera Mini 5:
Full screen or not, it hides my top bar, and together with it my battery indicator, clock, close button. I can't easily launch anything else or switch to another running program.
no way to minimize browser to go back to where I was
Really hates the complicated seqeunce to close the browser with the mandatory yes/no.
I can't find a way to add search providers to the search box. Well I can't modify the Opera google search either, but Opera Mini has an interface to look as if it can be configured (at least I can delete entries other than google) while not allowing me to add new entries.
force chinese language upon me. I have no idea why but all my settings are in chinese and I cannot find a way to get back to english.
Are there ways to circumvent this list of annoyances?
Does anybody know where I can find documentation on Opera Mini? I've found documentation on Opera, but they do not seem applicable to Opera Mini.

alex fung said:
Do you like the 5 mini, and why?
Full screen or not, it hides my top bar, and together with it my battery indicator, clock, close button. I can't easily launch anything else or switch to another running program.
hit the back button & then your back at HTC Sense
no way to minimize browser to go back to where I was
that's what the back button is for. this doesn't do like OMobile where the back button actually goes back a page
I can't find a way to add search providers to the search box. Well I can't modify the Opera google search either, but Opera Mini has an interface to look as if it can be configured (at least I can delete entries other than google) while not allowing me to add new entries.
I agree I wish you could edit this, but meh...
force chinese language upon me. I have no idea why but all my settings are in chinese and I cannot find a way to get back to english.
one of the links in my post goes to a post on Opera's site & discusses registry edits. I know there's one to change the language, maybe you need to do that.
Does anybody know where I can find documentation on Opera Mini? I've found documentation on Opera, but they do not seem applicable to Opera Mini. your best bet is their site in the thread that I linked to.
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ap3604 said:
Read 3 posts above yours at #6...
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Thats sad

back button. Thanks I hardly ever use the hardware buttons so I never noticed.
link in your post? Do you mean
http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog...windows-mobile
I can't find any references to registry edits or language changes. Could you be a little more specific? Thanks.

joshoon said:
Thats sad
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As much as I like pinch zoom I must say that I absolutely LOVE the 1 touch super zoom of Opera Mini =)

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back button. Thanks I hardly ever use the hardware buttons so I never noticed.
link in your post? Do you mean
http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog...windows-mobile
I can't find any references to registry edits or language changes. Could you be a little more specific? Thanks.
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I personally put in the edit to stop the auto rotate
ha i use the back button all the time!

Argh
I wanted to love Opera Mini. I love the quick zoom/scroll effects.
BUT after using it for a few days I've found annoyances that keep it from being a better browser than Opera Mobile.
- Certain websites take FOREVER to load (some sites load quicker than Opera Mobile i.e. Google searches, but Xda loads slllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooowwww)
- Certain websites dont work correctly and doesn't go to the next page when I click the link
- Can't log into certain websites like I can with Opera Mobile
- When I try to reply to XDA threads it reloads the entire page after I type something in the reply box.
- Cant clear cache memory like I can with Opera Mobile
- Cant exit Opera Mini in landscape by pressing home button since it locks up the phone
- Cant use physical back button to go back a page like you can with Opera Mobile
Oh well...

I like Opera mini too as it is a lot smoother than opera mobile. I do have one issue though:
When you enter a url, it will automatically load the mobile version if available. Not all the mobile site have a link back to their full web site so it is impossible to go to a normal page for some sites.

ap3604 said:
Argh
I wanted to love Opera Mini. I love the quick zoom/scroll effects.
BUT after using it for a few days I've found annoyances that keep it from being a better browser than Opera Mobile.
- Certain websites take FOREVER to load (some sites load quicker than Opera Mobile i.e. Google searches, but Xda loads slllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooowwww)
- Certain websites dont work correctly and doesn't go to the next page when I click the link
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forumx said:
I like Opera mini too as it is a lot smoother than opera mobile. I do have one issue though:
When you enter a url, it will automatically load the mobile version if available. Not all the mobile site have a link back to their full web site so it is impossible to go to a normal page for some sites.
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you know what, this happens to me with opera mobile too..

dan138zig said:
you know what, this happens to me with opera mobile too..
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The problems I listed with Opera Mini are ones that I don't have with Opera Mobile. So for me, it doesn't happen with Opera Mobile...