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Touch Flo v.3.0 available on HD?

Simple question.
I've read about the new features of the 3rd version of Touch Flo (on the upcoming HTC Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2) and they are quite interesting.
I just wondered whether by any chance this new version could be installed on the HTC HD (once it's out of course)
Thx

there are already tons of custom roms with this new tf3d

Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?

gauthierserkyn said:
Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?
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Duttys Roms, Laurentius Roms,...

gauthierserkyn said:
Oh! I wasn't aware of that... have an example so I can test it?
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Think the list is endless. Go to ROM's development forum and seach. I'm currently using Duttys 2.5 Xtreme, though Laurentius & Davideuck are just as commonly used

crashDebug said:
there are already tons of custom roms with this new tf3d
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hi...is there any way of getting new touch flo 3 without need of flashing ur phone? any chance of someone making an instalation .cab?

marasp said:
hi...is there any way of getting new touch flo 3 without need of flashing ur phone? any chance of someone making an instalation .cab?
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Go to the "Themes, Applications and Software" and you will found you cab's

excuse me for being a nub but what are the benefits of flashing vs cab install

nowhere to be seen
Elim said:
Go to the "Themes, Applications and Software" and you will found you cab's
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well... i always do my home work before posting, that is why i did ask question...i could not find any cab, and believe me i spent hours looking throughout our gigantic forum...
if u know location where such cab is hiding from my eyes please share it with us.

There is no "cab" install and there never will be.
This isn't just an application you install on your phone - it's a complete system overhaul, with new TF3D, with all new and / or updated system applications: phone, calendar, contacts, call history, calculator, browser etc.
Let me illustrate however the difference between the stock ROM and the custom cooked ROM's available here on XDA. It's like going from Skoda to latest Ferrari.
That means you'll get a lot of great looking stuff, many cool applications already included, everything will be as new as possible, you'll be running at MUCH faster speed, but you also have to accept that you'll "burn more gas" - battery life may take a small impact.
Is it worth it? Well, it's like you bought a new device, so - yes.

bigv1 said:
excuse me for being a nub but what are the benefits of flashing vs cab install
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If you flash a ROM that already includes the new manila it will probably be alot smoother because the ROM will be optimized and tweaked for it! If you install it over the old Manila it probably won't give you the best experience... Also, the newer ROMs not only include the new Manila, but also things like finger-friendly menus!

really is that true???
Rozenthal said:
There is no "cab" install and there never will be.
This isn't just an application you install on your phone - it's a complete system overhaul, with new TF3D, with all new and / or updated system applications: phone, calendar, contacts, call history, calculator, browser etc.
Let me illustrate however the difference between the stock ROM and the custom cooked ROM's available here on XDA. It's like going from Skoda to latest Ferrari.
That means you'll get a lot of great looking stuff, many cool applications already included, everything will be as new as possible, you'll be running at MUCH faster speed, but you also have to accept that you'll "burn more gas" - battery life may take a small impact.
Is it worth it? Well, it's like you bought a new device, so - yes.
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is that really..... so could u explain to us what that is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493531 ..... i think it is possible.... manila is at the end, today screen replacement like the ones of SPB and others.... of course its complicated and incorporated into windows folder but as u can see impossible is nothing here ....
regards

marasp said:
well... i always do my home work before posting, that is why i did ask question...i could not find any cab, and believe me i spent hours looking throughout our gigantic forum...
if u know location where such cab is hiding from my eyes please share it with us.
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I'm pretty new to all this as well and had a lot of difficulty figuring it out! What I think happens is this: The ROM is a bit like the BIOS so you can't modify it within WM6.1. Also, the original ROMs are protected so you can't replace them with an unofficial version (they are signed).
To get around this, you can use something like Hard SPL (which overwrites the existing ROM) or USPL (which works around it).
I finally went with USPL2.5 and Dutty's extreme ROM v2.6.
Incidentally, I'm not really noticing much of a speed improvement... Especially with the music player which now takes a second to load up... Am I meant to?

TouchFLO, Manila, 2D, 3D ???

I remember reading somewhere that Touch3G aka Jade has TouchFlo 2.
But on my Jade if I go to Settings/System/TouchFLO it says:
TouchFLO version 3.0 (build 31508).
So what do I have? Manila, Touchflo, 2D, 3D ??? Could somebody please explain the HTC language to me?
Also, specific to the Jade, what is the difference between themes and skins? Isn't it the same? I am reasonably computer literate, but like clear definitions of things.
Reading through the posts on Manila modifications, one poster stated:
What version of TouchFLO have you installed? You need to have at least M2D version 20
How come that my phone is new, and I only have version 3??
Thanks for help
Joe

Manilla 2D

The Jade has TouchFlo 2D (as in 2 dimensional) also known as Manila 2D, TF2D or M2D.
Themes and skins are, afaik, the same, and the person stating that you have to have at least version 20 means version 2.0 actually.
'Manila' btw is HTC's codename for the Touchflo interface
Touchflo 3D (also known as Manila 3D, TF3D of M3D) is a different story.
Whether a HTC phone has TouchFlo 2D or 3D depends on the capacity and resolution of the screen. The Jade has a QVGA screen (quarter VGA aka 240 x 320 pixels) and can't handle the TF3D animations and touch posibilities.
A phone with a VGA screen (640 x 480 pixels), like the Diamond, usually has Touhflo 3D.
Fellow forumers, plz correct me if i'm wrong....but this is what i know.
Hope i helped you out a bit

Thank you Nirak for help. So I have TouchFLO 2D v.3.
If have a few more questions for those who modified their Touchflo -
If I want to change my Touchflo, I understand I have two choices -
Uninstall it (don't know how) and find and install a new one; or
modify the existing one with registry edits and/or Manila Customiser.
This Customiser - is it basically a new additional program that runs alongside the existing TouchFLO, or is it something like a registry editor that only modifies the existing TouchFLO and can be later uninstalled?
Thanks
Joe

jfranek said:
If I want to change my Touchflo, I understand I have two choices
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If you want to change (I assume modify/customise) you can do many things including changing the registry, yes and also change the graphics, etc.
jfranek said:
This Customiser - is it basically a new additional program that runs alongside the existing TouchFLO, or is it something like a registry editor that only modifies the existing TouchFLO and can be later uninstalled?
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AFAIK, briefly the customiser (M2DC) does not run alongside. It's just a program that does (simplify) the registry editing and a few *.xml files (for customisation) for those who do not wish to dwell into. yes M2DC can be uninstalled (after using) and TF2D runs fine.
I am not sure how to uninstall TF2D but you can always deactivate if you do not wish to use it and use other today themes or plugins, etc.

uninstalling TF2D that is included (cooked) in your ROM is not possible, but as Azahidi says, you can deactivate it and use the standard Windows interface, or any other shell you prefer, like SPB Mobile Shell, and there are others.
Basically TF2D is also just a shell round your Windows Mobile System, that's suppossed to make it easier to use (not always is...) and more 'eye candier' .
The M2DCustomizer is a easy to use utility to modify the settings of TF2D and use other skins, look over here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427392
and here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425974 (older skins)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451702
Since i'm not that much of a techi i like using M2D Customizer, but just like Azahidi says, these modifyings can also be done by editing the registry and/or .xml files
To give you an idea, here is a screenshot of my Jade's homepage with basically the standard TF2D, modified with another skin:

Thanks azahidi and Nirak.
I've been reading all those posts several times, it is starting to make some sense.
Looking at the M2D Customizer - I believe it will back up the existing factory Touchflo and I can restore it if the mods did not work or I did not like them. Is this correct?
Apart from other mods, I would like to change the email widget to a 'Tasks' widget. I would like to see a different icon instead of the envelope and instead of the sheet of paper sticking out of the envelope I would like to see a list of tasks etc.
I don't think that the Manila Customiser can do that. Is that correct?
And I don't think I could achieve this by getting a new skin, could I ?
Maybe there is a program somewhere to design a complete shell from scratch on desktop PC??
Joe

I think you should test Spb-Mobile Shell 3. It is very good.
14 days-trial and information here:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/mobileshell/

Thanks, MvBoe, I think I will try it.
Joe

jfranek said:
Thanks azahidi and Nirak.
I've been reading all those posts several times, it is starting to make some sense.
Looking at the M2D Customizer - I believe it will back up the existing factory Touchflo and I can restore it if the mods did not work or I did not like them. Is this correct
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Yep, totally, just remember first thing to do is making a back up of your original theme, M2D Customizer has a tab for it ('restore')
jfranek said:
Apart from other mods, I would like to change the email widget to a 'Tasks' widget. I would like to see a different icon instead of the envelope and instead of the sheet of paper sticking out of the envelope I would like to see a list of tasks etc.
I don't think that the Manila Customiser can do that. Is that correct?
And I don't think I could achieve this by getting a new skin, could I ?
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Correct again
jfranek said:
Maybe there is a program somewhere to design a complete shell from scratch on desktop PC??
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I really have no clue if sucha program exists.

stupid question
Hello,
I have got pure WM6.5 on my device without any graphic enviroment like Touch 2D or something. Is it possible to install only this enviroment (Touch 2D - is it Manila 2D?) ? And how?
Sorry for the noob quiestion...

Matio said:
Hello,
I have got pure WM6.5 on my device without any graphic enviroment like Touch 2D or something. Is it possible to install only this enviroment (Touch 2D - is it Manila 2D?) ? And how?
Sorry for the noob quiestion...
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You can install anything on your device, depending on the purpose and your liking, and how you want to customise your today screen. Yes you can install Manilla2D (TF2D). Just search xda, get (download) the .cab file to your PC, copy to your device (or download straight to your device) and then run it.

Many thanks for your answer azahidi.
I tried to install M2D as you told me. I folowed the guide witch is here. So that I have installed HTC Home v 2.1. and after that [11.3.08-Update 20] M2D Build 1.0.18203328 - Jade (TOUCH 3G Version). Restarted device, but nothing happened. When I turn my Home screen as TouchFLO, on my screen appeares text: "Tap here to launch TouchFLO" and when I tap there, the whole device becomes to be totally frozen.
Can anyone help?

MvBoe said:
I think you should test Spb-Mobile Shell 3. It is very good.
14 days Trial and information here:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/mobileshell/
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I greatly agree. SPB Shell is 10 times better and user friendlier then TF2D. I had TF2D for about a week and tried out SPB Shell 3.5 and I have never gone back. I am one happy customer.

Looking for a few more things...

I just got the TP2 for USCC last week. (WM6.5) I haven't used WM in about 2 years and am pretty dissapointed to find a lot of the same issues that were present then. I used to be a fairly competent WM user with above average knowledge in registry editing, ROM flashing, etc but most of what I used to use seems to have changed. So far I have found the fixes for the sms sent notification and the organization of the contact list by last name, first to first, last.
I've been all over these forums and cannot find a fix to disable the onscreen keyboard from auto-popping...ever. Also, in the sound settings menu, there is a slider to adjust ringer volume and another to adjust system volume yet these two don't work independently. I want system volume loud for hearing things like my IM app that runs in the background yet have the ringer volume lower as it's over bearing on full.
Something else I have noticed is that some settings menus appear to be there but not functioning. For instance, under settings>all settings>today there is a 2nd tab for items that does not change from the appearance tab. I've notice several menu's like this throughout the phone. It seems like there are things that other versions of WM may have had that this doesn't or simply that Microsoft/HTC got lazy in the initial release and either did not remove tabs that were not intended to be there or forgot to finish some that should. Just wondering if anyone has some insight into this.
I'm also looking for a good free IM client. I've seen many apps across these forums but with so many out there, it's hard to find the right one for me. I refuse to pay $45 for Agile messenger (although I've seen hacked versions but I would prefer not to deal with that). It's a decent app, not great but decent but $45 for a very simple app is outrageous. So, I found Slick ( http://slick.en.softonic.com/windowsmobile ) which is a free app and works great! The only feature it is missing that I liked about Agile is a notification (similar to the annoying sms message sent notification that I removed) while the app is in standby. Does anyone know of another free IM app that is simple and has that feature? I only use Google Talk and have noticed some apps specifically for that but there are so many to try, I'm hoping someone has a good recommendation to save me some time.
The last thing I'm curious about pertains to Manila. I see Manila all over these forums. I've done some reading on it and have a good understanding of what manila is. But, it's very confusing as some thread talk about reflashing ROMS for it and others talk about installing cabs over your current rom for it. Does anyone have a link to a good thread(s) that will explain things more clearly so I can make an educated decision on the best way to try this out? A, Manila for Dummies, if you will.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Edit: It looks like the "Manila" Touch Flo design is incorporated in WM 6.5 on my device already? Is this mainly the custom tabs located at the bottom of the today screen?

CeLlgUy said:
...to disable the onscreen keyboard from auto-popping...
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There's an option to disable "Auto Deploy SIP" in Advanced Configuration Tool.
CeLlgUy said:
... Also, in the sound settings menu, there is a slider to adjust ringer volume and another to adjust system volume yet these two don't work independently....
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Go to "Settings" tab, tap "Sound", turn off "Single Volume Control".
CeLlgUy said:
... under settings>all settings>today there is a 2nd tab for items that does not change from the appearance tab....
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First of all, TF3D/TouchFlo3d, Manila, or Sense are essentially the same thing. It's a skin designed by HTC to cover up WinMo. You may say it's actualy just a very elaborate Today screen plugin. Since it takes up the whole screen, you would not be able to add other items.
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... I'm also looking for a good free IM client....
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No comment. I use MSN Messenger. See if other can help you out here.
CeLlgUy said:
... A, Manila for Dummies, if you will....
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See above for a crude definition. There are many versions, so that's why there's so much discussion in these forums about them. People are trying to use versions that didn't come stock with their devices.
TF2D or Manila 2D - for budget devices like the Touch Vivo, Touch Cruise, etc
TF3D v1 - originally came on the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro
TF3D v2- came with the Touch Diamond 2 and our Touch Pro2.
TF3D v2.1 - came with the release of the official WinMo 6.5 ROM for the Touch Diamond2 and our Touch Pro2. Identifiable with the weather under the clock in the Home tab.
TF3D v2.5 - came with the release of the Touch HD2. Has customizable shortcuts on the Home tab, revamped People tab, coverflow-like Pictures tab and Music tab when in landscape, and other goodies.
Btw, going forward, you may want to list out what you're asking in bullet point form. Most people are put off by long essay-like posts. You'll get more responses if your post is clear and short.

ohyeahar said:
There's an option to disable "Auto Deploy SIP" in Advanced Configuration Tool.
Go to "Settings" tab, tap "Sound", turn off "Single Volume Control".
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Can't believe I missed that one, thanks.
First of all, TF3D/TouchFlo3d, Manila, or Sense are essentially the same thing. It's a skin designed by HTC to cover up WinMo. You may say it's actualy just a very elaborate Today screen plugin. Since it takes up the whole screen, you would not be able to add other items.
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I was just using that particular option as an example of a menu that is present but cannot be accessed.
See above for a crude definition. There are many versions, so that's why there's so much discussion in these forums about them. People are trying to use versions that didn't come stock with their devices.
TF2D or Manila 2D - for budget devices like the Touch Vivo, Touch Cruise, etc
TF3D v1 - originally came on the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro
TF3D v2- came with the Touch Diamond 2 and our Touch Pro2.
TF3D v2.1 - came with the release of the official WinMo 6.5 ROM for the Touch Diamond2 and our Touch Pro2. Identifiable with the weather under the clock in the Home tab.
TF3D v2.5 - came with the release of the Touch HD2. Has customizable shortcuts on the Home tab, revamped People tab, coverflow-like Pictures tab and Music tab when in landscape, and other goodies.
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That actually clears it up quite a bit. So it appears that my CDMA TP2 with USCC is actually 2.1 or 2.5? I see you stated our TP2 is is 2.1 but your description of 2.5 seems to fit my phone. Either way, it looks like I can just addon on any Manila Cabs that customize the home screen more as Manila is already installed?
Btw, going forward, you may want to list out what you're asking in bullet point form. Most people are put off by long essay-like posts. You'll get more responses if your post is clear and short.
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Sorry about that, I was reading though forums for about 2 hours after the bar last night when I typed all of that. I tend to get a bit winded when I'm intoxicated.

CeLlgUy said:
I was just using that particular option as an example of a menu that is present but cannot be accessed.
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Where else are there menu options that doesn't look like they belong? Anyway, if there are, then it's because of Microsoft and not HTC. We're on WinMo is on version 6.5 now, but it really hasn't changed much since I first used a pocket PC back in 2000.
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Either way, it looks like I can just addon on any Manila Cabs that customize the home screen more as Manila is already installed?
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Certainly, there are components that are possible to install via cabs. But often, you'll need to flash a ROM with the particular build of Manila that you want to get those features.

So just to clear this up, if something is made for TF3D v2, it should (or might) work with our CDMA TP2 running the stock @M6.5 rom?

Also, anyone have a fix for the keyboard thing? I remembered the name of the cab i used to use, null keyboard but can't find anything that works with this rom. I've tried a few reg edits that have not worked.

CeLlgUy said:
So just to clear this up, if something is made for TF3D v2, it should (or might) work with our CDMA TP2 running the stock @M6.5 rom?
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It should, yes. However, if you have a TP2 with WM 6.5 you most likely have Manila 2.1 (in my case 2.1.191937). If you go to the Settings tab and scroll down, you should be able to see which version you have. That being said, many cabs work on all versions, a good few has to have a more specific version (like 2.0, 2.1 or 2.5) and a mere handful needs to be spot on (e.g. 2.1.1717).
After installing such a CAB you often need to restart your TF3D/Manila/Sense, and to do so you go to Start > Settings > Today and tick off HTC Sense. Tap OK and go back in to tick the HTC Sense box again. That restarts your TF3D.
Hope that made sense.

Thx for the clarification, I think I'm ready to start customizing this thing! I'm a bit hesitant as I really like alot of the features that come with the stock home screen. My last windows device was the 8125 and I modded the **** out of that home screen but this one I simply want to add a few highlights without loosing the over all look.
One thing I have been curious about is if there is a way to put a google search bar under the calendar. I know Google apps will put one up but then I have to go to my programs tab and open google apps so I might as well just eliminate a step and open opera.

I haven't checked to be honest with you, but I am satisfied with moving the internet tab a few notches closer to the home screen tab. I find that to be quick and easy enough! One tab on the tab and the google search is at the top of the screen.

Thanks for all the help! You gave me the tools I needed to dive back in. I understand the differences in Manila's now as I've flashed about 5 or 6 different roms. 2.5 is slick in theory, especially when Dusk Evolution v2.0 is theme is added but I had to return to 2.1. Thanks again for the help to get me started.

Im client look at PalRingo.. it's pretty awesome and covers most major networks (yahoo, MSN, gmail, facebook chat, icq others.

Yes, that's what I currently use. Kind of an old thread now too. I've come a long way since I started this thread.

Help with Transparent Clock

Hi all,
I am trying to install a Transparent Clock but am having little luck.
Ideally I would like the transparent clock w/ weather found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589181
I have tried that one as well as Matt's Crystal Clock. Can't get either to work - my clock does not change (even after soft reset).
I am thinking (but hoping not) it has something to do with my (and sorry I am new to this) windows version and/or manila version and/or TF3D version ???
I have WM6.1, TF3D 2.1.38420.2, and I am sad to say I don't even know how to check what manila I have...
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Ryan

nayr1482 said:
Hi all,
I am trying to install a Transparent Clock but am having little luck.
Ideally I would like the transparent clock w/ weather found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589181
I have tried that one as well as Matt's Crystal Clock. Can't get either to work - my clock does not change (even after soft reset).
I am thinking (but hoping not) it has something to do with my (and sorry I am new to this) windows version and/or manila version and/or TF3D version ???
I have WM6.1, TF3D 2.1.38420.2, and I am sad to say I don't even know how to check what manila I have...
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Ryan
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what rom are you using? is that a custom rom or stock rom?

stock rom (company phone so...)

I have WM6.1, TF3D 2.1.38420.2, and I am sad to say I don't even know how to check what manila I have...
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TF3D = Manila

mhurg said:
TF3D = Manila
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OK, well then I have manila 2.1 correct ??? And from what I have read, manila 2.1 is identifiable from having weather on the HOME screen ???
But I have never had weather on the home tab and have not had any luck getting it to work...any ideas ???

here is the EXACT weather clock that I want - is this possible ???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4934485&postcount=297

If it is a regluar TP2 (unbranded), go to HTC.com and download the WM 6.5 ROM and install it on your phone. That gives you WM 6.5 and a Sense 2.1 (which has the weather clock).
Just make sure you backup your contacts and other info you might need, because it's like formatting a PC - everything gets deleted. It's worth it though and shouldn't take more than 15 mins to do. Then you get your weather clock AND the Crystal Clock CAB will work ;-)

mhurg said:
If it is a regluar TP2 (unbranded), go to HTC.com and download the WM 6.5 ROM and install it on your phone. That gives you WM 6.5 and a Sense 2.1 (which has the weather clock).
Just make sure you backup your contacts and other info you might need, because it's like formatting a PC - everything gets deleted. It's worth it though and shouldn't take more than 15 mins to do. Then you get your weather clock AND the Crystal Clock CAB will work ;-)
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Hey, thanks a lot. I do not have an unbranded one however, I have Verizon. I checked HTC.com and it says wm6.5 for Verizon will be available in Dec/Jan.
I am assuming I should wait for that or would it be "safe" to download the unbranded one ???
Thanks
Ryan

nayr1482 said:
Hey, thanks a lot. I do not have an unbranded one however, I have Verizon. I checked HTC.com and it says wm6.5 for Verizon will be available in Dec/Jan.
I am assuming I should wait for that or would it be "safe" to download the unbranded one ???
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Well you could try to find an unofficial ROM here on the forums that might work, but I must admit I haven't tried out any of them myself. Personally I'd just wait the few weeks until the official version was released, but it's up to you
Downloading an unbranded one from HTC.com won't work, however. There is more to it than that - check out the Rhodium ROM forums for more info. Good luck anyway

Install this, soft reset

How come none of the transparent clock, i've installed like 3 of them doesns't work on stock roms (sprint).
I have TF3D 2.1
Am i missing something?

kasim1 said:
How come none of the transparent clock, i've installed like 3 of them doesns't work on stock roms (sprint).
I have TF3D 2.1
Am i missing something?
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Found it Here on PPCgeeks so many of them. Looks VERY nice !!!
Works with stock Sprint Rom.

can anyone post the manila files for this clock:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4934485&postcount=297
???
if so i can make a cab for everyone!

nayr1482 said:
can anyone post the manila files for this clock:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4934485&postcount=297
???
if so i can make a cab for everyone!
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Thats not Manila, I think its SPB.

ai6908 said:
Thats not Manila, I think its SPB.
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i would think that however it is generated, it starts with .png files doesnt it ???
i can work with the manila files or .png

HTC Home Customizer?

Is there something like the old HTC Home Customizer that will work for the Touch Pro2? I've spent the last hour wading through this forum trying to find a way to replace the awful, 1970's flippy clock with a simple digital clock.
Is there a solution ?

Co0kie Home Tab http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483
MaxSense http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=687153

antoine_32 said:
Co0kie Home Tab http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483
MaxSense http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=687153
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Only for Sense 2.5. Keep in mind.

Jackos said:
Only for Sense 2.5. Keep in mind.
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If Sense == Manila, then the programs mentioned are of no help. I have Manila 2.1, and already screwed up the phone once trying to use a 2.5 program.
I hope someone doesn't chime in "Well just flash a new ROM." Unless someone can show me a compelling reason, (and a detailed list of the changes it would introduce), I'm not interested in doing that.

You need to update your signiture so that we know what you're running first of all
Helps us know what to recommend to you.
Secondly.. by searching "clocks" in the forum I found this: [Clock] Manila/Sense 2.5 and 2.1 Clocks - New Added!!!April 2010 Post #80

antoine_32 said:
Co0kie Home Tab http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483
MaxSense http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=687153
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If you do want to go this route but don't want to flash a new rom (which its insanely insanely easy)
Then you might want to check out this
Aaron McCarthy said:
another alternative... which I haven't tried myself as I always have just flashed is just to install 2.5 via a cab...
Manila Sense 2.1 / 2.5 *Updated March 11, 2010*
looks fairly simple:
-Steps for Sense 2.5 2012 Installation (INSTALL ALL TO DEVICE MEMORY):
1. Install .net 3.5
2. Install SDKCerts
3. Disable Auto Phone Shutoff:
-If on battery power: Settings\System\Power\Advanced and uncheck Turn off device if not used for
-If on external power: Settings\System\Power\Advanced and uncheck Turn off device if not used for
4. Disable TF3D 2.0 (Go to Start/Settings/Today/Items and uncheck HTC Sense or TF3D)
5. Soft Reset
6. InstallSense 2.5 2012 CFC / Sense 2.5 2012 CFC Mirror (CFC Compressed and includes all fixes. Once settled in, it runs very well! It also includes some new tabs and many tweaks/goodies! Plus, the multimedia key is now mapped to rotate the screen)
7. Soft Reset
8. Once everything is loaded and stable:
Enable Auto Phone Shutoff:
-If on battery power: Settings\System\Power\Advanced and check Turn off device if not used for
-If on external power: Settings\System\Power\Advanced and check Turn off device if not used for
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Aaron McCarthy said:
You need to update your signiture so that we know what you're running first of all
Helps us know what to recommend to you.
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That never occurred to me. I have the forum set to not display sigs, since I find some just annoying. I usually try to give all that info in the initial post. I'm running a TP2 with WM 6.5 upgrade and Manila 2.1
Secondly.. by searching "clocks" in the forum I found this: [Clock] Manila/Sense 2.5 and 2.1 Clocks - New Added!!!April 2010 Post #80
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I had looked at that thread earlier, but all the clocks are still flippy type. Hasn't anyone done straight digital clocks for Manila? Something like tjis from older phones?

Aaron McCarthy said:
If you do want to go this route but don't want to flash a new rom (which its insanely insanely easy)
Then you might want to check out this
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My issue with flashing ROMS isn't difficulty, it's having a definitive reason to do so, and finding a clear description of the changes in the ROM.
Thanks for the tip on installing manila 2.5. Didn't know that could be done. But looking at a comparison of 2.1 and 2.5, I don't see an advantage, and see a couple of disadvantages.

I 2nd This
klausner said:
My issue with flashing ROMS isn't difficulty, it's having a definitive reason to do so, and finding a clear description of the changes in the ROM.
Thanks for the tip on installing manila 2.5. Didn't know that could be done. But looking at a comparison of 2.1 and 2.5, I don't see an advantage, and see a couple of disadvantages.
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There is an EVO ROM that has a customizer built in by the cook. I used that ROM for a little while, but really like the customizer, you could change the flip clock, analog clock, clock background, font and other things. This was a really nice feature. I have searched for an add-on or standalone app that I could install that would do this as well. Customizing is the main thing we are ALL trying to do here.
Anybody had any luck with this?!