Hey guys,
New to these forums here, Love the forums, not much of a linux-head I just do VHDL & Verilog
Enough for the intro; I have a question and I hope somebody here can help.
I bought the rogers Magic not too long ago, came from the iPhone 3GS and noticed something peculiar which I hope is not a fault of my device.
I noticed that if you have your Magic laying flat, and you try to swipe or actually touch the screen, it does not register anything. I have to have it in my hand for it to actually register any input from my fingers! Is this normal? or is it a manufacturing fault?
I tested it against my iPhone and even though they're both capacitive, it seems like the range of sensitivity might be toned down quite a bit on the Magic compared to the Apple device?
Thank you,
GenoMalice!
Mine doesn't do that. That's odd!
Taknarosh said:
Mine doesn't do that. That's odd!
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Sorry, just to clarify Taknarosh
You can keep the phone lying flat, on your bed for example, and swipe around and it registers your swipes?
Thanks for the reply,
GenoMalice
I just tested mine lying flat and it seems to work fine.
I have the 32B Vodafone UK version, although I doubt that makes a difference.
You know I was just thinking about this as well, I've got the same issue with my 32B. I've noticed that it sometimes registers when the phone is not held/touched by another hand. But that is a strange issue...
I have two Magics (32A and 32B) and they both behave the same way you described. It is much easer to make phone response to the touching if you hold the device in your hand.
omg this happens to me too! if its laying on my desk the touch screen almsot never registers. when its in my hand or on a cloth or something it has no problems!
what rom are you using?
when i first got my rogers htc magic, it was exactly as you described. After I rooted it and started using myhero, the problem disappeared, i can now perfectly control my phone even if it's on a flat surface.
same issue on both stock 1.6 and latest CM 4.2.8.1.. I highly doubt this is a software issue
i also having a same prob .. maybe the htc magic need reboot .. after flashing new ROM .. the problem disappear .. weird ...
Same issue here, most of the time it is with my car mount while using Google nav. I'm using CM 4.2.11.2 on a 32A. It will not recognize my finger or the tip of my thumb but if I use the flat part of my thumb (quite awkward at a arms length by the way) it works fine. I also have had this happen when on a desk, it seems to be more noticeable when my hands are cold (maybe coincidence)
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It is issue connected with capacitive screen. The phone needs ground. It is not working good not because of flat surface, but because it needs ground. So when phone is on the wooden surface or it is in car handheld - then screen is less responsive.
You can test it. Lay your phone down where usually it is less responsive, and then plug in charger. The phone will be grounded, and screen will act like holded in hand
Sorry about my english, I know it is not good.
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It is issue connected with capacitive screen. The phone needs ground. It is not working good not because of flat surface, but because it needs ground. So when phone is on the wooden surface or it is in car handheld - then screen is less responsive.
You can test it. Lay your phone down where usually it is less responsive, and then plug in charger. The phone will be grounded, and screen will act like holded in hand
Sorry about my english, I know it is not good.
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I have noticed this problem when using the phone on a car mount too. Now I understand why. Thank you.
mastermid said:
It is issue connected with capacitive screen. The phone needs ground. It is not working good not because of flat surface, but because it needs ground. So when phone is on the wooden surface or it is in car handheld - then screen is less responsive.
You can test it. Lay your phone down where usually it is less responsive, and then plug in charger. The phone will be grounded, and screen will act like holded in hand
Sorry about my english, I know it is not good.
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Sorry for the extra-late reply but this is, pardon me, retarded.
You do know that the outershell of the phone is all plastic, right? And you do know that plastic is non-conductive, right? So, how the hell is your hand grounding the phone if all your touching is plastic?
The real answer to why so many of us have this problem with the Magic is most likely because HTC cheaped out and put some crap plastic covering over the display instead of glass a la iPhone/Nexus One/Milestone/Droid or even Hero.
P.S. I moved on from the Magic to the Milestone and couldn't have been happier... EFF ROGERS for ruining it for me!
Maybe because when a phone is flat you touch the screen differently. Think about it; when you have your phone in your palm and are using either your thumb or index finger, you are most likely touching the screen between the pad and tip of your finger, or the pad of your finger. Lay your phone flat on a table and you try like many other people try to do; touching the phone with the tip of your finger. This makes it a bit more difficult for touch capabilities to recognize the heat signature from your finger.
This could be the issue entirely because I lay my phone flat and never had a problem except for my fingers and wrist hurting from odd angles of approach to use my phone.
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i got the g1 last week and latly the screen has become wobbaly and sweaky only when closed, anyone else have this problem is this normal? should i even bother looking into this?
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i got the g1 last week and latly the screen has become wobbaly and sweaky only when closed, anyone else have this problem is this normal? should i even bother looking into this?
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yeah i have had mine almost a week now i noticed it after i removed that plastic screen thing that was on the back of the screen.
it seems kinda cheap feeling when i push down on the screen and i hear it sweak and move every time. should i take it back?
Mine started sqeaking and creaking today. NOOOOO!
I only had it for 2 days. I kept the plastic on the back of the screen and it still does this by the way. Its too awesome of a phone for this litte stuff to bother me though. I came from a Touch Dual that had a solid keyboard for a little over a year before it became wobbly and squeky before it final died. So I imagine its better sooner than latter cause you just adapt the longer you use it.
My 2 Cents,
Jcostanza4
I had the same problem the first day I got mine. I'm still trying to figure out a way to keep it from squeaking/creaking. Honestly it's just annoying right now. My TYTN II was a brick compared to this phone as far as size and weight. If I figure anything out I'll post it up.
The only idea I've had so far is to take one of my old Palm screen shields and use it on the back of the screen. However since I ordered a Zagg full body protector I think I actually might get that piece with the set. Like I said I'll post up when I got more info.
try adding a little strip of adhesive felt to the upper part of the chin (where it meets the screen when closed). Works for me. Actually, if you want to test this out or cant find the felt, take three post it notes(together for the right thickness), cut them down, black out with a magic marker, and you'll get the same effect. Barely noticable.
yes mines loose too you feel it when you only hold the bottom and tap the screen u here the screen and the body click.
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it seems kinda cheap feeling when i push down on the screen and i hear it sweak and move every time. should i take it back?
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Maybe you're pressing too hard? Mine creaks if I really press down hard.
On my wing, I had to press down hard, it's built for a stylus.
But this device is built for your fingers, and should respond with a very light touch. Try using it with barely touching it, if it doesn't respond try pressing a tiny bit harder, you should not have to push down hard enough to make the screen creak -- unless the screen is badly attached, in which case I would take it back to the store.
this is what happens when HTC wants a thin, light phone with a hardware qwerty
it doesnt bother me much though
Hi, I've now used the Nuxus One for a few days and I'm pretty happy with it and all it's fancy fetures.
The phone works flawlessly and the only minor issue I'm willing to report is the fact that when the phone is lying on the table the touchscreen doesn't respond as quickly as it does when holding it in hand..
I've also noticed that if you touch the shell of the phone with a finger while trying to use the touchscreen, everything goes back to normal.
Is it a flaw only present in mine or is it an issue that involves the capacitive touch screen of the Nexus?
Video Proof
This is the video I've taken with my other phone so it would me much clearer what I mean..
The quality is not great but I hope it will be explicative enough..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXPpyGwuSzM
mine work correctly, try it on another table
I've tried it on different surfaces but the result it's the same..
Problem is that it doesn't always do it, so it's difficult to judge if a surface works better than an other.
I've called HTC support and together with them I've done some tests, like letting another person use it the same way, but nothing changes.
I've also done a hard reset and nothing has changed so I think I will have to send it in hoping they will fix it..
I envy you in the US where you can just ask for a replacement...
Is it possible that your fingers are real dry and or you are working in a dry low humidity environment?
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Is it possible that your fingers are real dry and or you are working in a dry low humidity environment?
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Hi,
I don't think so, since I've now tried it in different environments and by different people...
This is very weired..and annoying..
I've had my Nexus One for over a month, but I recall having the same issue one day early on.
Similarly, I've had days where I can't operate the touchpad on my notebook computer because my fingers were dried out from handling solvents.
I have an associate that has a similar issue when the phone is in a leather holster case. She has to take the phone out on occasion to operate it, most while driving.
havent had any issues. Call them for a replacement
I think I will do so!
The problem is minor but sometimes can be a real nuisance..
Looks like screen isn't grounded properly.
Yes, I think so too. It must be something electrical. When I keep it in hand or touch it, the static electricity must not influence it, but it does so if I try using it lying on its own.
I've taken another video changing the surface on which I use it on..
Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ-nS_h5Pqs
I'm glad to see you're still investigating. Because the problem is so repeatable, and the fact that its not a common complaint, I'd conclude theres a something wrong with your phone.
One thing I'd try is to remove the battery for 8hrs (overnight) and see if that make a difference. I've worked with a lot of electronic devices that behave badly after receiving a static discharge. Sometimes leaving it sit without power helps the static dissipate.
But the fact that it works while on the laptop would indicate a poor ground from the touchscreen circuit to the chassis of the phone, as the proximity of the laptop changes the capacitance of the internal circuit enough to overcome the lack of effect that the chassis alone needs to provide.
hehe I have to investigate to be sure this is a bug relative to my device so that when I will send it in for repair they will have to find a way to solve it and not just pretend it doesn't exist...
try pressing with all skin and not with your nail. It needs heat to work.
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It needs heat to work.
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No, it doesn't. To prove it, hold a metal spoon and slide it across your screen. Mine works.
this was a common problem on the G1 and the way the capacitive screen was designed. In order for it to be functioning completely, HTC told users that he needed to have it in his hand or at least a finger or two touching the phone. HTC said that it simulated a circuit (the hand on the phone made a complete circuit while just touching it left the circuit incomplete) I have noticed the same thing on the N1... it works great in my hand on if i am touching the sides with a finger and scrolling or using it, but if i just lay it down and try to scroll/touch with 1 finger it becomes much less responsive, the same way the G1 would.
i will see if i can find the exact thread over in the G1 forums where all this is posted.
It makes sense, but then, why others work? mmm...
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It makes sense, but then, why others work? mmm...
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The only thing I found while googling is that you need some humidity in the air for it to work effectively. I'm really not sure if that applies to this specific design though.
I've never had an issue with using the screen on a table, so this is probably isolated, I'd give htc a call and ask for repairs.
Edit: I just tried for the hell of it doing the pinky touch on the frame, and the soft buttons became much more responsive. Hmm
Hi.
Just a thought here.
What if you would put magnetic tape on the areas on the picture.
That would take away the loose hinge problem, aint im right.
Then a thought about the magnetic, how will that screw up the gps, compass, the lcd screen or something else.
Anyone have any thoughts?
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Hi.
Just a thought here.
What if you would put magnetic tape on the areas on the picture.
That would take away the loose hinge problem, aint im right.
Then a thought about the magnetic, how will that screw up the gps, compass, the lcd screen or something else.
Anyone have any thoughts?
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It would take away the problem. And an accurate compass.
And perhaps the screen.
The only other thing would be velcro. And screw that!
Any other ideas, the compass i can live without...
The screen is just a little harder to live without.
As DanWilson says, maybe very weak velcro will do the trick.
Dont think velcro is a good choice...
very very weak, maybe
I realise that different handsets suffer more or less from the hinge 'problem', mine seems to be fairly average and does open half way if you pick it not touching the bottom half. But for me I have to hold it in such an awkward way that I usually drop it before or when the hinge flops open.
I find that if I hold the phone in a normal grip with thumb on left side and fingers on the right theres no way it can come open no matter what angle you hold it at?
Is the hinge open itself? U cannot write sms/email in bed or it's just a little loose. I do not see how hinge can prevent normal usage of phone.
BTW. It's not a issue it's by design!
I have been saying magnetic tape is the solution for weeks now!
My Z's hinge is fine at the moment so I am not best to try it out but if anyone does please report back, although I cannot see how it won't work.
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I realise that different handsets suffer more or less from the hinge 'problem', mine seems to be fairly average and does open half way if you pick it not touching the bottom half. But for me I have to hold it in such an awkward way that I usually drop it before or when the hinge flops open.
I find that if I hold the phone in a normal grip with thumb on left side and fingers on the right theres no way it can come open no matter what angle you hold it at?
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agree totally with u
Well written!
This has to be the biggest non-issue I've ever seen when it comes to cell phone design. I have seen the videos online and I have reproduced the "issue" on my DZ, but as D3LTA9 said earlier, I have to hold it so awkwardly and gingerly that I end up dropping it before the hinge opens.
If your fingers are more than 1/8" wide, you will not hold your phone like this in any real-life, practical operation of the phone.
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This has to be the biggest non-issue I've ever seen when it comes to cell phone design. I have seen the videos online and I have reproduced the "issue" on my DZ, but as D3LTA9 said earlier, I have to hold it so awkwardly and gingerly that I end up dropping it before the hinge opens.
If your fingers are more than 1/8" wide, you will not hold your phone like this in any real-life, practical operation of the phone.
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Was just about the wrte the same.. i have a loose "hinge" but no problem..
so i ask "What Hinge Issue ???"
This was born out of people expecting something from the phone that it was not designed to do, with the way the hinge is designed it is always going to fall back on itself in certain situations, it doesn't lock into place and is not meant to.
Sure some are looser than others but its still not an issue, if you don't like it don't moan and try a replacement you need a different phone, get a milestone 2 or something.
Well, got my Z. Yes, it's loose, but I don't care, because opening and closing is very good and I don't use my phone like that, that keyboard would drop...
I'm sure mine is faulty, it just doesn't stay open when I'm trying to txt whilst doing a headstand!!
No,... seriously, mine is loose, doesn't take much effort to open or close, and it does shut itself if I open it and try to hold it face down horizontal... but I never need to use it in that position. Even in bed, if I'm lying on my back, there is always at least a 90 degree angle, maybe upto 140 degrees as the viewing angles are so nice.
My personal preference,... I would like it slight little bit tighter,... but saying that, then I wouldn't be able to open it with one finger???.... so actually,.... as it is is fine.
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Has anyone here done the "magnetic tape" trick to fix their loose hinge? Mine is starting to get loose, but I don't think it's much of a problem even though I keep opening/closing it to see how loose it might be.
This was actually discussed and attempted sometime ago. The guy who did it said it worked great and he didn't have any issues with the compass/GPS. As far as I know, he was the only one who tried though (before the thread got locked due to immature and off-topic posts). Some pics of his mod are on this page:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=802202&page=3
There is a video demonstrating its effectiveness on the page after.
Another solution is actually taking the hinge apart and messing with the spring inside. This has been successful for a lot of people (myself included).
Post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863919
Videos of mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884455 (look through entire thread for more videos)
Has anybody else noticed that the tough screen doesn't respond well when it is charging and laying down? I really notice this when I'm laying in bed with it. It works fine in my hands but if I lay it flat on my bed it won't respond. It only does it when charging.
I'm a bit nervous to handle it with how small the connection is. Perhaps its the plush of the bed forcing the plug into an awkward position?
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I have this issue with my G2, and I'm sure other people have the same issue. Its more than likely due to the fact that it is a capacitive touchscreen. Because of this, the screen responds to the electrical connection between your hand and the device. When the device is sitting on a table (aka you're not holding it) and you are only contacting it with the tip of your finger, the screen can possibly not make a solid enough of "connection" with you and your taps won't register as well.
My G2 screen is much less responsive when its flat on a table not being held. There was a bit of talk of this in the G2 forums. I believe this is probably true with any capacitive touch device.
I have had this issue on my droid incredible extremely bad. I even had it replaced 2 times, but everytime it was in the carmount it wouldn't respond.
I have a Droid X currently, and the screen is very unresponsive while I'm holding it if it is plugged into my pc. If I have it plugged into the normal charger, then I don't have this issue.
I'm still waiting on my Xoom, APO mail takes a while
I don't have this issue. Mine works great
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All of these suggestions are well and good. It works beautifully when I don't have it plugged in. The instant I plug it in and lay it down the touch screen stops responding. I can lay it down unplugged, and it responds as expected. I noticed that if I make contact with the bezel with one of my fingers the touch screen responds. I am wondering if the charger is causing some kind of static charge on the device which messes with the touch screen. If I touch the bezel it grounds the device and allows the touch screen to work as expected.
Thoughts?
I bet anything it has to do with grounding issues...I hate ungrounded chargers. Have you tried this from some other power source? A coffee shop or work or even a different outlet?
-Bauxite
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I have tried it in other outlets. Same thing. What is even more interesting if I touch the top quarter of the bezel which is plastic, the screen doesn't respond. Once I touch the bottom 3/4 it works. Wish we had a ground :-\
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I have tried it in other outlets. Same thing. What is even more interesting if I touch the top quarter of the bezel which is plastic, the screen doesn't respond. Once I touch the bottom 3/4 it works. Wish we had a ground :-\
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I would get a cheap-o wiring problem detector from a hardware store.. you plug it it and it lights up if your house is wired wrong.
Have you tried it from a different source, like a friend's house? Or even a UPS that is unplugged from the wall.
Happens in my house, in my office, I'm on the road and it happens in the hotel, happens in the temp office i'm in. I can pretty much make it happen anywhere.
Since about 2 months, my HTC HD2 sometimes runs into a strange behavior.
It's like some invisible fingers are touching the screen very quickly, triggering apps, menus, and sometimes calling people!
The only way to stop that is to restart the phone (but when the HD2 starts to behave that way, it's difficult to restart it, as these "invisible fingers" are still competing with MY fingers!).
I don't know what caused the problem in the first place, and I don't know what triggers the problem when it happens.
Is my HD2 out of order?
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Gz
It could be that your touchscreen is too sensitive and your sweat from your fingers is triggering it; Did you try cleaning the screen, your hands and using a screen protector?
your digitizer is going to die very soon
By "digitizer", you mean the touch glass?
Did it happened to you before?
Why so many of your phones had their glasses cracked?
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your digitizer is going to die very soon
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It's very probable to happen...
Try to massage the screen around the corners especially above the buttons.
There is some kind of "glue" to prevent contact with metal but if its old or used it could make this problem.
Maby you can trigger it or at least find the point where to press to make it stop.
=> using a heating fan (warm not hot!) to vaporize water could help too maby. No warranty here!
dertester123 you may have found the real cause of the problem, but I'll have to test more before I can confirm.
Cheers.
Gz
i have been having the same problem lately and i must say, i'm pretty sure it's about the sweaty fingers! i have read on other sites that the capacitive (?) screen is too sensitive and that many are experiencing these problems, especially during summer!
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i have been having the same problem lately and i must say, i'm pretty sure it's about the sweaty fingers! i have read on other sites that the capacitive (?) screen is too sensitive and that many are experiencing these problems, especially during summer!
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Just place some waterdrops on the display or use it with fingers that you put some lotion on....
Problem is when it gets under the display, but thats rather uncommon i hope;D
I case its just just sweaty fingers, what are pants for?
I have the same problem but it only happens in my music app. Could this be causedby a virus of some sort?
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I have the same problem but it only happens in my music app. Could this be causedby a virus of some sort?
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are you running android ics? In ics they changed the input slightly i heard, and maby its not ported correctly...
When using another music app or switching to generally other apps while music plays everything is okay?
I dont think its a virus or something, most of them want to spy or change userdata and not annoy you
I thought I had found the cause of my problem, but I can't confirm it, as this problem hasn't appeared since the middle of May, when I followed dertester12's advice to massage the screen on the corners!
But I noticed a spot in the middle of my touch screen where the "glass" seems to "touch" or to be glued to something underneath it. This spot is till here today, but despite of that, the problem is not occuring now. I'll try to attach photos of that.
So to sum it up, I'm still not sure about what caused the problem...
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I thought I had found the cause of my problem, but I can't confirm it, as this problem hasn't appeared since the middle of May, when I followed dertester12's advice to massage the screen on the corners!
But I noticed a spot in the middle of my touch screen where the "glass" seems to "touch" or to be glued to something underneath it. This spot is till here today, but despite of that, the problem is not occuring now. I'll try to attach photos of that.
So to sum it up, I'm still not sure about what caused the problem...
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Did you disassemble your screen before?
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Nope. You think something got under the touch screen?
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Did you disassemble your screen before?
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I'll dig out the topic.
Hangsheng I have the same problem as described at the beginning, but mine handset had replaced touchscreen with lcd panel.
What it could be the cause of this behaviour?
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I'll dig out the topic.
Hangsheng I have the same problem as described at the beginning, but mine handset had replaced touchscreen with lcd panel.
What it could be the cause of this behaviour?
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Well the touchscreen must be isolated from the display. Therefore they put some blue glue at the area over the buttons where the HTC logo is. For me I used alcohol to clean the touchscreen as I replaced it and had the problem that when pressure was added the layer of glue was to thin to isolate and gave me fake inputs.
You can test by massaging this area.
Also the contacts on the backside of the screen must be isolated to the housing and the screen. I could think that when you soldered the stock isolation thinned out too..
Last but not least touchscreen, display and housing must be grounded correctly. Therefore all parts are wrapped in metallic foil at the edges... To connect them..
As the touch screen is very sensitive to even little currents its often hard to find the problem as it could also be a totally different cause.
All the above mentioned points should be checked and are relatively easy to fix. But it needs total disassembly what - especially to old devices- has a risk.
Risks are:
That damn flex cables are old and tend to break. The buttons have small tapes on top that come off easily and never go back again... And many more things that break when dis- and reassembled to often.
Sometimes it's cheaper to sell defect HD2 and buy new/used one..
On eBay you often get very good prices for defective HD2..
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The thing is every issue dissappear when it's on WinMob. I cannot pass this behaviour so decided to switch handsets. HD2 was very good phone.
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