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HTC HD2 Processor supports 720P Video !!

According to wikipedia
In 2009 HTC Corporation used QSD8250 1GHz chipset in the HTC HD2.[5] However, the Snapdragon's 720p High-Definition video decoding was disabled on the HTC HD2, because its operating system, Windows Mobile does not recognize HD video.
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So anybody have idea how is it disabled ? If suppose WM 6.6 or WM 7.0 OS have HD video support and we install on HD2.
Question 1 : Is HD video decoding is disabled at CPU iteself by qualcomm or at HTC in bios or somthing sort off or is it due to OS/Kernel limitation ?
Question 2 : Can we play 720p videos if we rom update with HD Video supported WM 6.6/7 ?
I searched on here / google but didnt get the ans...
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New drivers might/could open up these possibilities on upcoming WM6.6-WM7 releases. However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
It would, however, be nice not having to re-encode the file before putting it on your phone. Still, it wouldn't be of much use without TV out imo.

BLAST3RR said:
However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
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On the contrary, it would be very useful indeed: you could download and store just one version of the video for use on either a desktop PC or a phone, and no transcoding would be required, with consequent enormous savings in time and electricity.

BLAST3RR said:
New drivers might/could open up these possibilities on upcoming WM6.6-WM7 releases. However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
It would, however, be nice not having to re-encode the file before putting it on your phone. Still, it wouldn't be of much use without TV out imo.
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Yeah i agree with you that its not wise to play 720 videos considering screen resolution and cpu / battery usage.
But what i will like , that if copy movies / videos at work I can watch while returning home in metro.
Or while journey in train etc i can copy videos from passengers (many are carrying notebooks for watching movies or mail on olong distance journeys) and play them on my HD2..
One more question considereing 1ghz processor is there any app for conevrting Videos from phone only....(I know video encoding is resource heavy task still.. ???)

I don't know about a movie cause most of full lenght movies ar in mkv and bigger than 4 gigs, and as far as i know ntfs file system is not supported by any phone. Although series episodes would be nice without conversation its just consumes a lot of time apart from downloadig.

file size is definately going to be an issue for most people here (imo), regardless of whether the device will play 720p or not.

Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.

yeah only x264 ones so where is the problem, standard 720p warez rels are x264

freyberry said:
Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.
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It is useless because the device resolution isnt great enough to fully appreciate the HD content.
Conversion is also an issue but as has been said x264 is supported.

Only in the right container and with the right conversion settings. 90% of all "warez" videos would have to be converted anyway...
...you want HTC to make the device even more expensive only to be able to play 10% of your illegally downloaded videos without conversion?
Ridiculous. As long as there's no HDMI out, 720p is completely useless, it only adds additional costs and efforts and delay to the release of the devices.

freyberry said:
Only in the right container and with the right conversion settings. 90% of all "warez" videos would have to be converted anyway...
...you want HTC to make the device even more expensive only to be able to play 10% of your illegally downloaded videos without conversion?
Ridiculous. As long as there's no HDMI out, 720p is completely useless, it only adds additional costs and efforts and delay to the release of the devices.
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I think it would be closer to 100% of peoples illegal downloads would be playable on the leo if its Snapdragon's 720p High-Definition video decoding was enabled.
But... not much point without bigger storage volume on the device.

I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.

freyberry said:
I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
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you are not seeing the bigger picture my friend!
pirates upload movies that have been converted for playback on whatever device already,... you would start to see 720p_HD2_Movie illegal downloads all over the place... this is what i mean

freyberry said:
I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
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What additional costs ??? considering Nexus 1 with snapdragon processor plays 720p vidoes then why HD2 can't ? Where the limitation is ?
and i know 720p videos playing on small resolution has no advantage but disadvantage at the cost of cpu and battery.. but i remebery the days i owned Sony erricson which supportd only 176X220 cannot play videos even 320x240 ... the videos has to exactly encoded at 176x220 resolution to play on it. tha was a pain as videos larger shared by frnds mobile will not play....

freyberry said:
Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.
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The reason people don't "get" that statement is because it's WRONG. There is no reason at all to assume that 720p videos would require conversion under those circumstances. It simply isn't true that there is something special and unique about specific codecs that makes them suitable for hardware-accelerated playback while others are not: it's merely coincidence that certain hardware-accelerated applications happen to support only those codecs now. Even if it were the case that only H264 video could be played at 720p, that's the format that virtually all 720p video is already in! This has been argued out at some length in previous threads, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604437&highlight=720p&page=4
It's also simply not true that there is no point in playing 720p video on a 480p screen. There would be an enormous benefit in terms of convenience: you'd only have to download a single version of a file for desktop PC and phone use, and no transcoding would be needed.
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I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
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Even if that were the case (and, as already explained, it isn't - there's nothing magical about .mp4 that makes it easier to play back) conversion from one container format to another is hugely much faster and easier than converting between codecs and resolutions.
Incidentally, divx is not a container, anyway, it's a codec.

Of course all codecs can, in theory, be hardware accelerated. But there is no manufacturer that enables hardware acceleration for more than one codec. That's a cost and time issue and it's simply not going to happen anytime soon.
At the moment, there is absolutely no point in adding 720p playback capabilities to a phone without digital TV out.
And Shasarak, I'm really getting tired of all your false or unfounded statements, it really seems like you're trying to spread FUD. If you say things that you can't be sure about (like your statements about the availability of WM7 for example), then please tell people that it's your opinion. Otherwise, your statements are no better than lies.

freyberry said:
Of course all codecs can, in theory, be hardware accelerated. But there is no manufacturer that enables hardware acceleration for more than one codec.
There is absolutely no point in adding 720p playback capabilities to a phone without digital TV out.
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And again, wrong on all points. I explained why 720p playback would be useful in my last post: convenience. As for hardware acceleration of multiple codecs, are you not aware that there is a version of CorePlayer which runs with hardware acceleration on the Toshiba TG01? (Possibly also on the Acer NeoTouch, I'm not sure). The standard video player on Samsung phones also supports multiple formats with acceleration. Even HTCAlbum handles .mp4 and .3gp files using either of the codecs the HD2 camera can use, while Pocket Media Player handles .WMV's as well.

Coreplayer with hardware acceleration for ALL codecs? I believe it when I see it. Till then, you're simply wrong.
I wouldn't want HTC to spend time and money on that anyway, until they release a device with HDMI out. I want my devices earlier and cheaper. I think you're a minority, anyway

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Coreplayer with hardware acceleration for ALL codecs? I believe it when I see it.
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You're just determined to make yourself look silly, aren't you? I've seen it. It was even briefly posted on this forum at one point before the Coreplayer writers requested that the thread be removed on the grounds that it was basically a warez thread - distributing copies of commercial software for free. Do some googling for "OEM CorePlayer" if you don't believe me. Of course it cannot legally be run on anything other than a TG01 (which ships with it) as only Toshiba have paid the money to Qualcomm to license Qualcomm intellectual property.

I'm so tired of all your unfounded claims. Link please or it didn't happen!
And as you realized yourself, it's a money issue. I do NOT want HTC to spend money (and time) on this useless feature.
Of course, as soon as they release a device with HDMI out, it'll be a different story.

Playing 1080p H.264

As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?

Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.

1080 on HD2? useless... nonsense
as kilrah said... forget it
but one point is not true u can run 1080p X264 movies smooth on a pc with 1.2Ghz Dual Core.. now comes the point! IF... u have a graficcard that supports VDPAU. so even a loosy GeForce 9400 can do that.
XBMC installing as OS. turn VPDAU on.. e voila. smooth HD movies.
on my mom's AsRock ION330 (Atom CPU) with ION GPU (Equal to GeForce 9400M). 1080p movie with x264 in MKV container run's smooth.
and CPU usage is at 12-40% depends on.
have fun

Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...

I'm not sure if you fully read my original question:
I don't want smooth playback, I know I can't have that,
but simply a way to view stills out of a large h.264 file.
I don't care if rendering one frame takes several seconds.
Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...
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Since the video files are on my phone, I don't see how Remote
Desktop Mobile is going to help me. Or did I misunderstand
what you are saying?

Yes we did fully read... But do you really think a developer would spend time making a WM program to open and decode a format that no existing device could play?
It's actually something the WM port of vlc could do, if it hadn't been discontinued in 2006 before it could play h264... It had the same capabilities as on other platforms.
@jisin: Of course if you cheat with hardware acceleration But my example was meant to put things on the same level, as the HD2 has none.

Nobody is talking about a seperate program - at least I wasn't. I would think
any player capable of decoding h.264 should handle 1080p, at least in theory.
For example, I don't understand why CorePlayer has a limit at such an arbitrary
number built into it, otherwise it would probably work just fine for my purposes.
TCPMP is witchcraft, as far as I'm concerned, so I don't readily know why it
won't play HD videos.

AFAIK the profiles used to encode HD h.264 are different from the simple ones used for SD videos, and thus need explicit support. The difference between AVC and AVCHD.
For example in VLC, support for HD h.264 has only come last year, long after SD one. Before that, trying to read one would just give you a couple of crippled frames and crash the player.

Just to clarify, AVC and H.264 are the same, or rather AVC is part of H.264.
AVCHD is an extension of H.264/AVC. That's what you meant, right?
In any case, my videos are AVC and not AVCHD encoded.
I really don't see how decoding a higher definition variant of a video codec can
be any different from standard definition, other than the stress on the hardware
of course.

If not coreplayer, then I think nothing.

bayowar said:
As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?
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Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.

I dont understand why you would want to try and view the image quality of a 1080p file on a 800 x 480 screen? It's never going to look any better than a similarly encoded 480p file. I would agree that it's handier to not have to re-encode files, but most 1080p files are downloaded as mkv anyway, which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.

Ad-james said:
which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.
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You didn't get the point. He has a camcorder that doesn't have a screen. He wants to put its memory card in the HD2 and have a glimpse of what he just shot could have been like.
But yes, it would only allow checking framing if it took several seconds to load each frame, not much more...

WMP plays the sound, not the video, HTC Album came up with an error I think.
And yes, kilrah, that's exactly it. Should have mentioned that the camcorder
doesn't have a screen.

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Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.
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i think the main problem is the lake of drivers in windows mobile 6 series as hd2 processor is mentiond to support 720p videos at 30 frame /sec

kilrah said:
Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.
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i think it depends on the codec and bitrate... i can run 1080p h.264 fine on my 1ghz athlon using coreavc

Is there any codec which make possible to view h.264 stream in windows media player?
I can get stream from my internet aceess box which are very smooth with CorePlayer but I would like to know if there is any codec which make it possible with the native multimedia player!
Thanks

i downloade ttansformers hd (1080p) from youtube and coreplayer played that completely O.K. but i couldn't got it to play almost most .mp4 ones. it plays some .mp4 but doesn't many. also plays raw 640x480 videos from my digital camera not smooth but acceptable.

Camcorder that doesnt have a screen???
720p dont play in hd2 forget about 1080, it cant handle the resolution or the bitrates.

I don't know why Microsoft/HTC didnt done things right.
I have HD2 dual boot with Android.
where WM unable to play 720P but Android on same HD2 play 1080 smooth and crisp with out any frame delay/skip.
I think Microsoft has to optimize there graphics driver to come at par with Android.
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Pawan

Xvid/Dvix Play back with stock rom?

We all know Divx/Xvid is capable with the TouchWiz, but is it the TouchWiz that allows playback or is there an underlying app that will allow Divx/Xvid to play?
Most of us are considering rooting and either loading the International Rom if its better or running some kind of stock rom to rid TouchWiz unless of course its not as laggy as reports have said.
I'm really digging on the idea of being able to play Divx/Xvid.

The T-Mobile Vibrant plays all the same videos the international versions do, no change to the video player at all. I've been watching 720p MKVs and various divx/xvid files on mine without issue!

I think the OP is asking if it plays those files without touchwiz being present or active?

yes you can disable the touchwiz and still have video playback in all formats...

Yeah thats what I was interested in. If we mod would it change the ability to play movies.

Have any if you try the divx video yet? It won't play on my vibrant for some reason. I was able to play 720p mkv,mp4 but not divx.
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I didn't even know it had mkv/divx/xvid playback, this makes me happy lol..

I hope it does. All mose all my Vids are Xvids and Divx files. Just ordered mine so I couldnt' even tell.

do you just play the 4gig mkv or do you compress it somehow? I want to put some more videos on but dont know what size to compress them to/what program is best for my vibrant's resolution.

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do you just play the 4gig mkv or do you compress it somehow? I want to put some more videos on but dont know what size to compress them to/what program is best for my vibrant's resolution.
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There isn't a file size limit persay, but it seems the Vibrant will reject any videos with resolutions higher than 1280x720. E.M. Total Video Converter HD seems to be best so far in terms of quality and conversion success rates, but if you're looking for freeware, Handbrake works very well. Set the profile to iPhone, and make sure the video resolution is 800x480 or less.

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We all know Divx/Xvid is capable with the TouchWiz, but is it the TouchWiz that allows playback or is there an underlying app that will allow Divx/Xvid to play?
Most of us are considering rooting and either loading the International Rom if its better or running some kind of stock rom to rid TouchWiz unless of course its not as laggy as reports have said.
I'm really digging on the idea of being able to play Divx/Xvid.
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The international rom should be able to play the xvid/mkv video but if you flash on some other Rom (e.g. AOSP Froyo, etc) then it will lose the ability to play them unless someone figure out how to port the ability into the other Rom.

My vibrant wont divx, but play 720mkv perfectly. Yxplayer play divx but very choppy.

Didn't engadget somehow play a 1080p video on the Galaxy S when they compared it with the iphone? or do you mean the divx can;t be more then 720p?
And as for the rom thing...The video should be hardware decoded..so as long as the drivers are portable it would be possible on any galaxy s regardless the rom..or at least that is my guess...

gTen said:
Didn't engadget somehow play a 1080p video on the Galaxy S when they compared it with the iphone? or do you mean the divx can;t be more then 720p?
And as for the rom thing...The video should be hardware decoded..so as long as the drivers are portable it would be possible on any galaxy s regardless the rom..or at least that is my guess...
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Why the hell would they put specific hardware decoders in the phone for divx support? I would assume they just included the codec support with the stock rom. I seriously doubt that you can throw any rom in there and immediately playback divx video.
I'm not sure what you mean by asking if engadget played a 1080p movie on the galaxy S. Do you mean that they used a 1080p video and the phone auto-scaled it down to 800x480?

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Why the hell would they put specific hardware decoders in the phone for divx support? I would assume they just included the codec support with the stock rom. I seriously doubt that you can throw any rom in there and immediately playback divx video.
I'm not sure what you mean by asking if engadget played a 1080p movie on the galaxy S. Do you mean that they used a 1080p video and the phone auto-scaled it down to 800x480?
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I remember reading it has the video decoder built into the Hummingbird GPU..but I don't remember where...let me see if I can find the source.
Edit: never mind the 1080p..I went searching for that article and they modified it since I read it to say they did it via youtube 1080p setting on the app >.>..but they dont even know if it was 1080p or 720p either..sigh

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I remember reading it has the video decoder built into the Hummingbird GPU..but I don't remember where...let me see if I can find the source.
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I went searching and found a review that states "Dedicated Graphics Hardware With Divx decoding" as a pro for getting the phone. I think they combined two things here (the Power VR gpu and the software support for divx). I see how it could be read to imply that the divx support is hardware based, but an earlier part of the article indicates that the divx codec support is built into the video player software.
Here's the article: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/samsung-galaxy-s-gt-i9000-review
This is really a situation for Occam's razor. Would they go to all the expense of adding hardware divx support to the cpu design or would they just use already existing software solutions that cost almost nothing to implement? The press release from last year revealing the hummingbird doesn't have any mention of it. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1030

richse said:
I went searching and found a review that states "Dedicated Graphics Hardware With Divx decoding" as a pro for getting the phone. I think they combined two things here (the Power VR gpu and the software support for divx). I see how it could be read to imply that the divx support is hardware based, but an earlier part of the article indicates that the divx codec support is built into the video player software.
Here's the article: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/samsung-galaxy-s-gt-i9000-review
This is really a situation for Occam's razor. Would they go to all the expense of adding hardware divx support to the cpu design or would they just use already existing software solutions that cost almost nothing to implement? The press release from last year revealing the hummingbird doesn't have any mention of it. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1030
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Here you go I found it:
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-1ghz-hummingbird-mobile-cpu-takes-on-snapdragon-2750348/
They do mention it..the ARM® NEON™ multi-media extension is it
Edit: Hardware video decoding is good because it saves battery life and more efficient over software decode...I'm researching the ARM NEON now..on their site it says it can decode ANY video but is not specific on all formats..only lists MPEG-4, H.264, On2 VP6/7/8, Real, AVS..... but the ... means there are more they are not stating

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Here you go I found it:
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-1ghz-hummingbird-mobile-cpu-takes-on-snapdragon-2750348/
They do mention it..the ARM® NEON™ multi-media extension is it
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All I see is it says NEON does "video decoding" and I can't find a single mention of divx in the article or in the NEON link they provide. Every video card or gpu I have owned has had some hardware to decode and encode video but none have natively supported divx.

richse said:
All I see is it says NEON does "video decoding" and I can't find a single mention of divx in the article or in the NEON link they provide. Every video card or gpu I have owned has had some hardware to decode and encode video but none have natively supported divx.
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The article was to show that it does have hardware decode in general...
I can't say for sure about divx/xvid..I don't even have the phone yet to test if it is the case or not...their site does state ANY format
NEON enhances many multimedia user experiences:
Watch any video in any format
Edit and enhance captured videos - video stabilization
Anti-aliased rendering and compositing
Game processing
Process multi-megapixel photos quickly
Voice recognition
Powerful multichannel hi-fi audio processing
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That said Divx Decode was part of the ATI hardware decoder..at least in the 4XXX series
As for samsung''s reason to do this...we have to remember that the Hummingbird was meant to be scalable so they can use it for tablets..thus having it natively support the large array of formats is key.

Just got the Vibrant and noticed that it would not play some AVI files (simple TV show low res). had to DL rock player to play those files.Also had an mp4 play in stock video player but would not play the sound and in Rock player tried to play the sound but was garbled.
So not sure what the full support is and wondering if we just need to get a nice media player.

YouTube HD

Hi guys, I see a lot of GB roms mentioning YouTubeHD, yet I can't seem to get it to work, I get the HQ button that's always been there, but not 720p, any ideas?

Well, mobile HQ isn't 720p either. I don't see why you would want 720p in the first place, your phone doesn't have that many lines?

StephanV said:
Well, mobile HQ isn't 720p either. I don't see why you would want 720p in the first place, your phone doesn't have that many lines?
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I'm quite aware of both of those things, but it has been mentioned that YouTube works in hd for the HD2 running Gingerbread. And I know from my own testing that a 720p encoded movie looks a lot nicer on the HD2 than a 800x480 encoded movie.

Uhm I haven't heard of any of that, and Google doesn't hint anything in that direction either, I think you're confusing some stuff. A lot of roms support 720p playback, but not in Youtube.
720p in se doesn't look beter than a 480p video by the way, on the contrary. You don't see the lines your screen can't show, and actually this may even result in a slightly worse video because of it.
A well encoded 480p video is at least as good as a 720p video, problem is that a lot 480p conversions suck. But that's not because it's 480p, it's because of the conversion.
That's why I don't think we'll ever have 720p mobile video. It's just wasted bandwidth over a nicely encoded 480p.
Oh, and I think Youtube HD just refers to the revamped app. Not 100% sure though so don't quote me on that.

StephanV said:
Uhm I haven't heard of any of that, and Google doesn't hint anything in that direction either, I think you're confusing some stuff. A lot of roms support 720p playback, but not in Youtube.
720p in se doesn't look beter than a 480p video by the way, on the contrary. You don't see the lines your screen can't show, and actually this may even result in a slightly worse video because of it.
A well encoded 480p video is at least as good as a 720p video, problem is that a lot 480p conversions suck. But that's not because it's 480p, it's because of the conversion.
That's why I don't think we'll ever have 720p mobile video. It's just wasted bandwidth over a nicely encoded 480p.
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Totally 100% agree. There would be more chance of performance issues with a downscaled 720 video on a 480 screen. It DOES NOT look better than a properly encoded 480 video. It is not physically possible for it to look better as your screen cannot show anything more than 480 pixels in each of the 800 columns. End of.
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Oh, and I think Youtube HD just refers to the revamped app. Not 100% sure though so don't quote me on that.
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I'm quoting you
Nah mate - it is the HD functionality in the "recent" update that gives it the name.

Damn Britts!

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Damn Britts!
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Play 1080p Video?

I've tried MX player, rock player and the default video player to playback my 1080p videos but they all still lag and play slowly. All videos are in mp4. Are there any apps out there that would be able to do this?
Cheers

try out dice player, and overclock, if ur tf is rooted, should be able to play smoothly. anyway I believe there are threads ard discussing this, please go do a search for them.

darkstar09 said:
I've tried MX player, rock player and the default video player to playback my 1080p videos but they all still lag and play slowly. All videos are in mp4. Are there any apps out there that would be able to do this?
Cheers
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Dice player is the best by far IMO, even gets rid of the home and back buttons illuminating.
It plays mkv files and I have files over 3gb which also play without any problems.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.inisoft.mediaplayer.dice&hl=en

Just for fun I searched this forum for "1080p" in the thread title only. This doesn't include all the other random ways someone has asked this exact same question at least 100 other times.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251784&highlight=1080p
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051629&highlight=1080p
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1199268&highlight=1080p
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192865&highlight=1080p
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1121428&highlight=1080p
And there are more. I believe on of the rules of xda is to search first and I know it asks if you have searched for existing threads before you start a new one. Granted it searches all of xda to show you threads but the search button is easily found and searches a specific forum.
This is the first rule of xda
1. Search before posting.
I guarantee this has been asked and answered many times this week alone

not sure about 1080p that's going to be hit and miss especially if you have big file sizes.
I'm using revolver 3.2 at 1.3 and can confirm 720p playback with file sizes of 3 gig or so play perfectly with dice player.

This can play back 1080P files just fine....DEPENDING on the bitrate. It's a limitation of Tegra 2. If the bitrate is high, it will have problems. Just like 720P files with really high bitrates have the same limitations.
Honestly, why does it matter? If you're outputting through HDMI to watch things, then I can kinda understand, but the screen itself only supports 720P. Why bother with 1080P?

Just out of curiosity, does overclocking improve video playback?

darkhawkff said:
This can play back 1080P files just fine....DEPENDING on the bitrate. It's a limitation of Tegra 2. If the bitrate is high, it will have problems. Just like 720P files with really high bitrates have the same limitations.
Honestly, why does it matter? If you're outputting through HDMI to watch things, then I can kinda understand, but the screen itself only supports 720P. Why bother with 1080P?
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Bitrate, uh?
How much is "really high"? 10mbps? 16mbps? and why the lower the resolution the higher the bitrate it can handle, if I got your post right?
Nah. I have a 1080p file, 16mbps. Plays well without overclock. I have another 1080p file, 10mbps, dosen't play well even at 1.6ghz. 720p file, still 10mbps, needs overclock (even 1.2ghz is enough). The difference between them? the kind of encoding. All this with Diceplayer, not the horrid Rockplayer, mind you.

Diceplayer works on most of my DSLR footage 1080 with 40-60datarate

AlexTheStampede said:
Bitrate, uh?
How much is "really high"? 10mbps? 16mbps? and why the lower the resolution the higher the bitrate it can handle, if I got your post right?
Nah. I have a 1080p file, 16mbps. Plays well without overclock. I have another 1080p file, 10mbps, dosen't play well even at 1.6ghz. 720p file, still 10mbps, needs overclock (even 1.2ghz is enough). The difference between them? the kind of encoding. All this with Diceplayer, not the horrid Rockplayer, mind you.
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I'm struggling with 720p encoded @L4. 1.. Mostly all L3. 1 plays nice in diceplayer.
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If I remember correctly, movies encoded in High Profile will not play back well. Main Profile is the best this machine can handle. I believe it's a Tegra 2 limitation in general.

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If I remember correctly, movies encoded in High Profile will not play back well. Main Profile is the best this machine can handle. I believe it's a Tegra 2 limitation in general.
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Well, high L3. 1 is ok with some oc.
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not sure about 1080p that's going to be hit and miss especially if you have big file sizes.
I'm using revolver 3.2 at 1.3 and can confirm 720p playback with file sizes of 3 gig or so play perfectly with dice player.
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Let me comment on that:
LOL
Without OC, DICE player (and transformer itself) can only play Level3.1 content and it will slideshow on 99% of internet standard (scene) releases. If you think 'plays perfectly', then you're brain and eyesight damaged.
With OC, you can play play simple 720p content (think WebDL releases) with decent quality (though they will still drop frames in more complex scenes), but more complex releases (think blueray rips) will drop frames on most scenes and slideshow totally on more complex ones.
You would have to be really lucky to find a 1080p movie that will play. Many won't open at all, rest will be dropping frames constantly. When ASUS said that 3.1 update make 1080p playback possible, by playback they meant rendering first frame of the movie.

Dice player is the best
go for it

As mentioned on the other posts about HD playback, the hardware decode of 720p or 1080p H264 with AAC is currently broken in 3.2. Worked fine in 3.1, then got broke. Asus are aware of it and have promised a fix.
If you have such files (e.g. BBC iPlayer HD content) then no player will be able to play them back smoothly as software decode simply can't handle them. Only option is to either transcode or downgrade to HC3.1 to get hardware decode back.
Let's hope the fix is not far off now.

bro just play 720p. trust me you THINK you can tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on a 10' screen but you cant......unless your not human

uploder said:
bro just play 720p. trust me you THINK you can tell the difference between 720 and 1080 on a 10' screen but you cant......unless your not human
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Well, there cannot possibly exist a difference between displaying 720p and 1080p on a 1280x800 screen, since all 1080p content would be scaled down to 720p. Where 1080p would actually matter is if you often connect to a big monitor or HDTV that is capable of 1080p, such as I do on a regular basis for when I want to watch movies without having to boot up my desktop computer. There is definitely a noticeable difference between 720p videos I've converted with Handbrake and the actual 1080p Blu ray movies, but it's not really a big deal for me.
My suggestion for those truly concerned about high quality 1080p playback would be to buy a netbook equipped with a Nvidia ION or comparable video chipset, as I have had no issues playing Blu ray from my own ION-equipped nettop.

yeah my MX player would lag like crazy. Dice is the way to go!

earlyberd said:
Well, there cannot possibly exist a difference between displaying 720p and 1080p on a 1280x800 screen, since all 1080p content would be scaled down to 720p. Where 1080p would actually matter is if you often connect to a big monitor or HDTV that is capable of 1080p, such as I do on a regular basis for when I want to watch movies without having to boot up my desktop computer...........
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ah i see. then YES. there would definitely be a difference. I just assumed you were watching directly on the TF. my mistake