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Playing 1080p H.264

As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?

Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.

1080 on HD2? useless... nonsense
as kilrah said... forget it
but one point is not true u can run 1080p X264 movies smooth on a pc with 1.2Ghz Dual Core.. now comes the point! IF... u have a graficcard that supports VDPAU. so even a loosy GeForce 9400 can do that.
XBMC installing as OS. turn VPDAU on.. e voila. smooth HD movies.
on my mom's AsRock ION330 (Atom CPU) with ION GPU (Equal to GeForce 9400M). 1080p movie with x264 in MKV container run's smooth.
and CPU usage is at 12-40% depends on.
have fun

Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...

I'm not sure if you fully read my original question:
I don't want smooth playback, I know I can't have that,
but simply a way to view stills out of a large h.264 file.
I don't care if rendering one frame takes several seconds.
Have you try the "Remote Desktop Mobile" feature....? Which is not "directly" playing on HD2...
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Since the video files are on my phone, I don't see how Remote
Desktop Mobile is going to help me. Or did I misunderstand
what you are saying?

Yes we did fully read... But do you really think a developer would spend time making a WM program to open and decode a format that no existing device could play?
It's actually something the WM port of vlc could do, if it hadn't been discontinued in 2006 before it could play h264... It had the same capabilities as on other platforms.
@jisin: Of course if you cheat with hardware acceleration But my example was meant to put things on the same level, as the HD2 has none.

Nobody is talking about a seperate program - at least I wasn't. I would think
any player capable of decoding h.264 should handle 1080p, at least in theory.
For example, I don't understand why CorePlayer has a limit at such an arbitrary
number built into it, otherwise it would probably work just fine for my purposes.
TCPMP is witchcraft, as far as I'm concerned, so I don't readily know why it
won't play HD videos.

AFAIK the profiles used to encode HD h.264 are different from the simple ones used for SD videos, and thus need explicit support. The difference between AVC and AVCHD.
For example in VLC, support for HD h.264 has only come last year, long after SD one. Before that, trying to read one would just give you a couple of crippled frames and crash the player.

Just to clarify, AVC and H.264 are the same, or rather AVC is part of H.264.
AVCHD is an extension of H.264/AVC. That's what you meant, right?
In any case, my videos are AVC and not AVCHD encoded.
I really don't see how decoding a higher definition variant of a video codec can
be any different from standard definition, other than the stress on the hardware
of course.

If not coreplayer, then I think nothing.

bayowar said:
As a proud owner of both a HD2 and a GoPro Hero HD helmet cam, I was wondering whether there's a WM video player that can handle 1080p H.264 encoded mp4 files.
I'm not asking for fluid playback, obviously, just a stuttering preview of picture quality while I'm away from a real computer.
Coreplayer has a 1008p limit hardcoded into it, from what I understand, so that's not an option. TCPMP didn't work either when I tried.
Any thoughts?
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Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.

I dont understand why you would want to try and view the image quality of a 1080p file on a 800 x 480 screen? It's never going to look any better than a similarly encoded 480p file. I would agree that it's handier to not have to re-encode files, but most 1080p files are downloaded as mkv anyway, which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.

Ad-james said:
which means that you would need to reencode into MP4. You may aswell reduce the resolution to 800 x 480 and save loads of memory while your at it.
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You didn't get the point. He has a camcorder that doesn't have a screen. He wants to put its memory card in the HD2 and have a glimpse of what he just shot could have been like.
But yes, it would only allow checking framing if it took several seconds to load each frame, not much more...

WMP plays the sound, not the video, HTC Album came up with an error I think.
And yes, kilrah, that's exactly it. Should have mentioned that the camcorder
doesn't have a screen.

Shasarak said:
Coreplayer's limit is 1008 horizontal pixels, I think, so it can't even play 720p, let alone anything higher.
I have a 720p video clip on my phone which will play in HTCAlbum or Pocket Media Player. It's jerky as hell and completely unwatchable, but it does play. You might find a 1080p clip would play in it too, I don't know. But it wouldn't give you any kind of meaningful preview.
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i think the main problem is the lake of drivers in windows mobile 6 series as hd2 processor is mentiond to support 720p videos at 30 frame /sec

kilrah said:
Forget it straight away. Even a 1.2GHz core 2 duo (which is already easily 10 times more powerful, if any comparison is possible) can't even play 1080p h264 at half speed...
The HD2 can barely play DVD res MPEG2.
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i think it depends on the codec and bitrate... i can run 1080p h.264 fine on my 1ghz athlon using coreavc

Is there any codec which make possible to view h.264 stream in windows media player?
I can get stream from my internet aceess box which are very smooth with CorePlayer but I would like to know if there is any codec which make it possible with the native multimedia player!
Thanks

i downloade ttansformers hd (1080p) from youtube and coreplayer played that completely O.K. but i couldn't got it to play almost most .mp4 ones. it plays some .mp4 but doesn't many. also plays raw 640x480 videos from my digital camera not smooth but acceptable.

Camcorder that doesnt have a screen???
720p dont play in hd2 forget about 1080, it cant handle the resolution or the bitrates.

I don't know why Microsoft/HTC didnt done things right.
I have HD2 dual boot with Android.
where WM unable to play 720P but Android on same HD2 play 1080 smooth and crisp with out any frame delay/skip.
I think Microsoft has to optimize there graphics driver to come at par with Android.
Thanks
Pawan

[REF] Video playing ,Converting video formats and Application/Software introduction

Is it possible to play mkv format with 1080p resoloution in galaxy tab 10.1 ?
if so which players could do it?
which softwares are suitable for video convert?
and other video related soloutions for galaxy tab 10.1 to be discussed here
List of available softwares for video convert:
1-Handbrake (free)
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Tutorial for 10" Display (thanks to buri73 )
2-Any Video Converter (AVC) ($29.95)
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3-DVD Catalyst ($9.95)
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4-Aiseesoft Blu ray Ripper ($39)
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Recommended Video player applications on honeycomb :
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No, and besides what's the point? The screen is not even 1080p. You can try Moboplayer and see what happens. Best advice is to recode the file down to 720p mp4. Try Handbrake or Freemake.

LordLugard said:
No, and besides what's the point? The screen is not even 1080p. You can try Moboplayer and see what happens. Best advice is to recode the file down to 720p mp4. Try Handbrake or Freemake.
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I dont have the tablet yet but I'm going to buy and doing some research now,
how if we dont convert the file format ? is it possible to watch or is it laggy?
does the sound and the screen match?

Why would you do that?
The screen resolution is not even 1080 pixel height.
Don't you know that?
It's a waste of resources.
Try to get 720p instead.
taha_e said:
Does anyone know if it is possible to play mkv format with 1080p resoloution in galaxy tab 10.1 ?
if so which players could do it?
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taha_e said:
I dont have the tablet yet but I'm going to buy and doing some research now,
how if we dont convert the file format ? is it possible to watch or is it laggy?
does the sound and the screen match?
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Let me know what your research shows. I've been converting blu ray and mkv into 720p mp4 using DVD catalyst 4, real simple setup. From what I found out, mkv files do not work on any tablets because mkv is a container. If you convert it to mp4 then any tablet can handle it, including my phone galaxy s captivate . Takes me an average of 3-4 minutes per TV show and 10-20 on a movie. I stopped encoding at 1080p because there was not much difference other than size of file.
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they work but not with high profile settings. you need to reduce them.
you can google what high profile for mkv is.

The answers you are looking for: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825

mkv is not a format, its a container for H.264 format.
You should be asking "is it possible to play 1080p H.264 in the galaxy tab 10.1?"
The answer is yes BUT (and a BIG BUT) you can only do so if the H.264 file is encoded in the old H.264 baseline profile which nobody uses anymore.
Tegra 2s video accelerator is way to slow to play H.264 videos that are encoded in the popular Main/High profiles which everyone uses today. Yes its unfortunate but you have to recode all your videos to baseline profile if you want to watch on ANY tegra 2 based units.

5thElement said:
mkv is not a format, its a container for H.264 format.
You should be asking "is it possible to play 1080p H.264 in the galaxy tab 10.1?"
The answer is yes BUT (and a BIG BUT) you can only do so if the H.264 file is encoded in the old H.264 baseline profile which nobody uses anymore.
Tegra 2s video accelerator is way to slow to play H.264 videos that are encoded in the popular Main/High profiles which everyone uses today. Yes its unfortunate but you have to recode all your videos to baseline profile if you want to watch on ANY tegra 2 based units.
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The tab, along with every other Honeycomb 3.1, tegra 2 device plays H.264 high profile 720p and main profile 1080p video just fine.
Although given the screen resolution, playing back 1080p video of any profile is pointless.

hoodoomagic said:
The tab, along with every other Honeycomb 3.1, tegra 2 device plays H.264 high profile 720p and main profile 1080p video just fine.
Although given the screen resolution, playing back 1080p video of any profile is pointless.
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Correct it CAN play them back but at only very low bitrate and 1080p is not pointless since you can hookup to TV or monitor via HDMI

I did some testing on bitrates for the Teg2 at 720p HP here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15054949&postcount=250
it does OK at 6Mb/s, and chugs when bits hit 10Mb/s. 6Mb/s avg is about the ceiling for most 720p videos, so one can generalize that the Teg2, at HC3.1, will play a fair number of 720 H264 HP videos (in MP4 format). Ruminations are that HC3.2 will speed things up a bit further.
The clip, along with others, are here if anyone wants to try them:
http://www.mediafire.com/?depxt4zyvpwel

I've played with h.264 video on the Gtab, Use Baseline profile for best results. I've done some encoding in High Profile, and baseline, and compared screen captures, and you can't tell the difference, it has mostly to do with Compression, the higher your Profile (Ref Frames, B Frames, CABAC) the smaller your video file will be without suffering Quality lose. Just that higher profile requires more horsepower to decode, which Tegra 2 does not have.

hmm samsung should have gone with the SGS II guts. It plays pretty much whatever you throw at it

ph00ny said:
hmm samsung should have gone with the SGS II guts. It plays pretty much whatever you throw at it
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Honeycomb only supports Tegra 2 CPUs. HC 3.2 brings support for Qualcomm CPUs. I could only wish this thing had the SGSII CPU.

Yeah, much as I like my Tab, I always feel like I'm taking a step back when I use it after using my SGS2...both in speed and display. I'd queue up in the pouring rain for a week to get a SAMOLED tablet.

5thElement said:
mkv is not a format, its a container for H.264 format.
Tegra 2s video accelerator is way to slow to play H.264 videos that are encoded in the popular Main/High profiles which everyone uses today. Yes its unfortunate but you have to recode all your videos to baseline profile if you want to watch on ANY tegra 2 based units.
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Which explains why I am playing 720p24 high profile h.264 with no problems. Oh. Wait. No it doesn't.
Tegra 2 can handle high profile fine at 720p as long as you avoid wighted p frames. However the stock player does not. Enter diceplayer, built on the NDK and supporting all T2 decode capabilities. The stock player is totally borked.
1080p however is another problem. But you'll probably hit the fat32 4GB file size limit with those anyway before you encounter issues with high profile content. None of my 1080p MKVs will fit on the device anyway due to the fat32 limitation, so transcoding it pretty much a given. So I tend to go to 540p or even 480p just to save space. The screen is small, and while I can tell the diffeence between a clean 720p encode and 480p it doesn't bother me in this scenario. And if you drop down to 480p weighted p frames work again.
So, essentially Mr. Element, you don't what the hell you're talking about.
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I can only support what ianken said. I can play 720p hig profile just fine with Diceplayer.
Here is a test clip to see on your own. http://www.multiupload.com/CJU6YB5JC3
It is in High 4.1 Format

just thought id let you know it does play 720p mkv files just fine (tested on my galaxy 7" with no skipping or slowness at all) assuming since it works on the 7" the 10" wouldnt have any issues with it.

Danstek said:
Honeycomb only supports Tegra 2 CPUs. HC 3.2 brings support for Qualcomm CPUs. I could only wish this thing had the SGSII CPU.
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Not entire true since manufacturers can add their own drivers to the OS
I highly doubt gingerbread is tailored to a single platform

bilsmaks said:
just thought id let you know it does play 720p mkv files just fine (tested on my galaxy 7" with no skipping or slowness at all) assuming since it works on the 7" the 10" wouldnt have any issues with it.
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I'm can play 720p high profile without any issues on Galaxy S Captivated. Gtab 10.1 and other HC tablets are using tegra2, that has some issues playing mkv high profile 720p. So far maker of diceplayer are the only one who have figured out how to make use of tegra2 to decode high profile 720p.
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TouchWiz removed video support?

One of my favourite things about the Tab 10.1 is video format support. My #1 use for the device is watching videos during my morning/afternoon commutes. I download some videos the night before, and drop them onto the SD card in the AM. The Tab was able to play all of the formats I threw at it in 720p no problem, in the stock video player.
The first thing I noticed when I turned on my TouchWiz-updated tablet this morning is that none of the videos on it work. They show up as thumbnails in the gallery and video player, but cannot be played. In Moboplayer, the 720p files struggle because it's now relying on software decoding.
Is anyone having different experiences, or have a work around? I really hope this is not an intended change, or I'm probably going to return it. Too bad as I otherwise really like the update!

The update broke 720p high profile support. 720p baseline still works fine and the difference in image quality is negligible imo.
I hope they fix it in the near future, but as it stands now you either take the improved browser in this TW update, or go back to stock 3.1 or one of the older TW leaks and get 720p high profile support.

That sucks! I am assuming it is a bug and they will fix it.
I apologize for the upcoming noobish question as I'm not particularly familiar with codec's, and don't know the different between baseline and high profiles. I'm assuming I can convert one to the other in one step with handbrake? And would the difference in size be substantial?

duraeas said:
That sucks! I am assuming it is a bug and they will fix it.
I apologize for the upcoming noobish question as I'm not particularly familiar with codec's, and don't know the different between baseline and high profiles. I'm assuming I can convert one to the other in one step with handbrake? And would the difference in size be substantial?
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Yep use handbrake and the baseline profile attached to this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
Just queue up your files and walk away. I think the files might end up slightly larger but I'm not 100% sure, either way it isn't a big difference.
I'm also assuming it's a bug as high profile playback was a feature that was added in HC 3.1

DICE player is still able to play my 720p high profile (in a mkv container) smoothly.

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DICE player is still able to play my 720p high profile (in a mkv container) smoothly.
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Interesting... I'll grab it and try when I get home. Do you know if it is designed for the Tegra 2 and using the GPU to decode the video (I'm assuming it is otherwise it should be stuttering)?

duraeas said:
Interesting... I'll grab it and try when I get home. Do you know if it is designed for the Tegra 2 and using the GPU to decode the video (I'm assuming it is otherwise it should be stuttering)?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1181938
It states it uses hw acceleration on Tegra2 devices.

all the mp4 vids i had are still playing nicely on mobo player

Can anyone comment on DivX/AVI support?
I picked up my GT10.1 today, and since it supports DivX out of the box, gave some a try. I was disappointed that the picture broke up and pixelated repeatedly on every AVI I tried. So, I installed Mobo Player and tried it in software mode, but got exactly the same results (which surprised me somewhat).
I also have an Asus Transformer, and those AVIs play flawlessly on the TF using Mobo Player in software mode (since Asus didn't add hardware support for DivX).
I'm wondering if this is related somehow to this issue, since my GT10.1 came with Touchwiz.
Regards,
Dave

720p High Profile H264 is indeed broken. Verified in Mobo Player and System Media Player.
How do I know they are high profile? I made them, and because I only encode in high profile via handbrake.
Bummer because the Tegra2 handles 720p High Profile H264 wonderfully prior to this update.

I have 4 video players loaded because the built in video player couldn't play all of the videos that I have loaded. Ironically I have the exact opposite experience of the OP, it now plays all the formats I have loaded.

TabGuy said:
I have 4 video players loaded because the built in video player couldn't play all of the videos that I have loaded. Ironically I have the exact opposite experience of the OP, it now plays all the formats I have loaded.
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Can you tell us which players you use? Do you need all of them? Does one work better (produce better quality) than the others? Thanks.

hoodoomagic said:
The update broke 720p high profile support. 720p baseline still works fine and the difference in image quality is negligible imo.
I hope they fix it in the near future, but as it stands now you either take the improved browser in this TW update, or go back to stock 3.1 or one of the older TW leaks and get 720p high profile support.
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This is extremely disappointing news because one of the things I love about the SGT is the quality of its video playback. My friend has a Xoom and he was blown away when I showed him some hi-def videos I downloaded.
I have a lot of high-def videos I downloaded straight from Vimeo, and they play flawlessly on my SGT without any conversions whatsoever. The thought of having to use Handbrake -- or anything else -- to convert every video I own is not very appealing to me. I hope Samsung fixes this problem.

cameraz said:
Can you tell us which players you use? Do you need all of them? Does one work better (produce better quality) than the others? Thanks.
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I have mVideoPlayer, which I like the best. I also have ES Video Player which comes with the ES File Explorer. And, I also have VPlayer.
VPlayer will play anything I throw at it. I've never had it not play a video. I only downloaded it because it's required by Remote Potato. Remote Potato lets me play Recorded TV from my Windows Media Center cable card tuner.

To be honest, this is sort of souring the update for me. I'll be testing when I get home to confirm there is no problem playing back lower resolution files. Still, I like to keep a few high-def movies on my Tab and don't want to convert them all. I hope this is a very temporary problem, not something that gets fixed for the 3.2 build.

I don't know if this is related, but when I was trying out the new Kies app on my PC with my tab connected over Wifi, it (Kies on the PC) offered to download new codecs when I first tried to transfer a video over to the Tab. My PC shouldn't have needed new codecs since all the video play on my PC.

sylvesterrr said:
DICE player is still able to play my 720p high profile (in a mkv container) smoothly.
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x2, just tried it out and it worked fine with my high profile 720p videos in mkv and m4v.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.inisoft.mediaplayer.dice
Just to add, the TW update apparently fixed ac3 audio playback.

my video players including the stock player play "high profile" m4v and mkv's perfectly

what a dumb thing to do Samsung..

BluesTele said:
my video players including the stock player play "high profile" m4v and mkv's perfectly
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Well, the stockplayer can't play this pixar short movie. At least, it doesn't on my Tab... Dice Player plays it smoothly.
Code:
Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 47.95 (48000/1001) -> 24.00 (24/1)
Input #0, matroska, from 'for.the.birds.2000.720p.bluray.x264-sinners.mkv':
Metadata:
doctype : matroska
Duration: 00:03:25.24, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 640 kb/s
Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x688, PAR 1:1 DAR 80:43, 23.98 fps, 24 tbr, 1k tbn, 47.95 tbc
Stream #0.1: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1, s16, 640 kb/s

[Q] Does Xoom Plays a 1080p file?

Does the native player of Xoom also plays 1080p video files
ie. mp4, avi, wmv, etc.
If not, does other players like vplayer, mobo could make this possible?
I doubt as Motorola Web and Wikipedia say the Xoom can play
"Up to 720p video" but sure it's not quite enough as long as HDMI it to a 32" TV.
Therefore is it possible for Xoom playing 1080p video smoothly?
Thank You. And I'm from Hong Kong (although there's nothing to do with the question )

it can play 1080p but video stutter.
Thank You. And I'm from Hong Kong (although there's nothing to do with the question )
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true. 1080p will trouble as much to bill clinton.

you can convert a 1080p mkv to mp4 format and it will play with no issues. or converting, i suggest DVDCatalyst.

See, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 states 1080p video playback
I wonder is there any meaning the video playback ability of GT10.1
has overpower to Xoom?
BTW I personally hate converting.
My ideal Tab is a replacement for netbook,
which with proper software and codec
almost nothing it won't play.
So if there's something tablet is incapable of
please let me know.
Thanks for all your replies, they really make a difference.

All the tegra 2 tablets are similar software wise.
The 10.1 won't play videos any better than the xoom. Return your android tablet if you expect it to replace windows.

I've surveyed many of the players on the Android market yesterday,
and most won't play a 720p x264 Mkv with ac3.
Best is qqplayer. Next best is vplayer, but really it can't either,
So only qqplayer. If anyone knows better, please speak up.
Otherwise, use plex it is the best transcoding streaming player around..
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Galaxy Tab 10.1 can play 1080 video formats?
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Using Moboplayer (from market) with Tiamat 2.2, 1080p video will just about play, but its not ideal.
720p is fine.

I only play file resolutions up to 720p on the Xoom because of the native resolution. I use Mobo player for my .avi and DVD Catalyst converted .mp4 files but if I am in a rush and have a high bit rate 720p .mkv file, the Dice player plays everything I throw at it. I have monitored my usage of both and I really mainly use Mobo. Dice comes in handy when I just don't want to wait for a conversion because I am heading out on short notice and is the only player I have found to play high bit rate 720p .mkv x.264 files. I prefer converting because I can give the video files a color boost in DVD Catalyst since videos seem to lose their punch on the Xoom screen.

Dice player plays 720p no prob
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bluenote73 said:
I've surveyed many of the players on the Android market yesterday,
and most won't play a 720p x264 Mkv with ac3.
Best is qqplayer. Next best is vplayer, but really it can't either,
So only qqplayer. If anyone knows better, please speak up.
Otherwise, use plex it is the best transcoding streaming player around..
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I've had good results with BSPlayer.

One thing is beyond my understanding.
My past Samsung infuse with 1.2ghz single core processor was able to play 1080p itunes trailers but xoom tablet struggles.
Also Xoom has native support for .mp4 files and .mov/.mkv/.avi requires extra treatment whether extra player or software decoding.
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on a general note (covers most mobiles and tablets and/or android os)
why companies release crippled products to market?
The end user is left to work out what is working and what is not.
Xoom is upper range product and it is not acceptable that it can't play 1080p files smoothly.

rohit3192 said:
One thing is beyond my understanding.
My past Samsung infuse with 1.2ghz single core processor was able to play 1080p itunes trailers but xoom tablet struggles.
Also Xoom has native support for .mp4 files and .mov/.mkv/.avi requires extra treatment whether extra player or software decoding.
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on a general note (covers most mobiles and tablets and/or android os)
why companies release crippled products to market?
The end user is left to work out what is working and what is not.
Xoom is upper range product and it is not acceptable that it can't play 1080p files smoothly.
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The Xoom does play 1080p but how well depends on the codec and player. As for why you would want to play 1080p videos on a 720p screen, I just can't comprehend. It will not look better because the screen resolution is lower than 1080p. If you played 1080p on any screen lower than 1920x1080 pixels you will not be getting the benefit of the 1080p resolution.

Isun said:
The Xoom does play 1080p but how well depends on the codec and player. As for why you would want to play 1080p videos on a 720p screen, I just can't comprehend. It will not look better because the screen resolution is lower than 1080p. If you played 1080p on any screen lower than 1920x1080 pixels you will not be getting the benefit of the 1080p resolution.
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And the Downscaling? Don't have it?
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And the Downscaling? Don't have it?
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If you must keep the resolution at 1080p then the best thing for stutter free playback is at least convert into an .mp4 which DVD Catalyst does but again, there will not be noticeable quality increase over a 720p. If I had a 1080p .mkv that I wanted to play on the Xoom, that would be one of the times when I would prefer convert or downsize but for everything else including 720p .mkv, we no longer need to convert.

Isun said:
If you must keep the resolution at 1080p then the best thing for stutter free playback is at least convert into an .mp4 which DVD Catalyst does but again, there will not be noticeable quality increase over a 720p. If I had a 1080p .mkv that I wanted to play on the Xoom, that would be one of the times when I would prefer convert or downsize but for everything else including 720p .mkv, we no longer need to convert.
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From my perspective you are badly missing the point - what use is a tablet that can play videos if you have to carry around a pc to convert them first. Its a pain in the butt.
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I use Dice Player to play all my video. It is easily the best HD movie player out there and plays high profile 720p but I haven't tried 1080p. As I don't have a 1080p TV, there's no need. Check out the Dice Player trial.

bluenote73 said:
From my perspective you are badly missing the point - what use is a tablet that can play videos if you have to carry around a pc to convert them first. Its a pain in the butt.
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Thats just the thing though, we need to be realistic. You don't have to convert any videos other than high bit rate 1080p which even if you were only using a desktop PC you would need to meet a system requirement to play. Tablets like these are new. Could you imagine a few years ago having a 1Ghz laptop with 1GB of RAM and being pissed it wont play my 1080p movie in 3D? The Xoom is one of the first of it's kind and was never designed to play high bit rate 1080p and you find that a bother. It's like buying an Ipod 8 yrs ago then saying what good is this if all my CD's wont play on it. You had to rip & convert everything or buy the file which was still then converted. The screen is 720p. Most shows on T.V. are 720p or upscaled 720p (1080i). Where are you getting 1080p videos from, Blu Ray and digital copies which all need to be 'converted' in order to become a portable file on any system unless you have a disc player or made a 20GB image rip. Its not a pain in the butt to have to only convert one file type. My laptop is very powerful but cant play movies in 3D yet my T.V. can, should I be upset? I should add, Dice player is still the way to go to play all files with no conversion unless you want to play high bit rate 1080p on a screen not designed for it.

Tegra 2 missing NEON video decoding instructions - any solution to be expected?

the Iconia tablet (stock rom 3.2) has a most troubling issue: no (or no smooth) video playback of HD video files, mostly H.264 encoded mkv and mp4 files. Acer and Nvidia claim the device can run 720p and even 1080p in h264 base profile but the bitter reality is that even 90% of 720p video files don't play smoothy due to lack of proper hardware acceleration. this is really a huge disappointment as even most of today's discount phones can play 720p video and i got me a dual core device with a HD screen and a GPU from a dedicated graphics expert company but have to stick to SD video.
i found a statement in the Nvidia developer forum saying that Nvidia is working on this problem with some software partners which indicates that there might be a software solution to this sometime soon:
http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/...6/is-tegra-2-support-neon-intsruction-set-/p1
my question: is a software solution realistic or maybe just a waste of time? personally i doubt it, especially since the successor, Tegra 3, again includes NEON.
but maybe a custom rom like Thor could add enough horsepower to the device to enable at least smooth software decoding? anyone using this rom already noticed a performance gain?
i am looking forward to your comments.

Just install MX Video Player. Plays everything, perfectly smoothly.

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Just install MX Video Player. Plays everything, perfectly smoothly.
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you think i would investigate in hardware related stuff and post here if there was a player that could handle all HD video? MX player clearly does not, nor does any other player (dice, mobo, rock, just to name a few of the better ones) handle high profile H.264 video on Tegra 2 devices. so 90% of the stuff available online is not working, means they wont play at all or have massive framerate and sound issues. go and check out the latest movie trailers available in 1080p mp4 or download an x.264 encoded mkv file of your favourite tv show and you can see for yourself.
if you insist on your statement, then please put up a video source so i can verify. i would really love to learn that you are right and i have just a broken device ;-)

uli68 said:
you think i would investigate in hardware related stuff and post here if there was a player that could handle all HD video? MX player clearly does not, nor does any other player (dice, mobo, rock, just to name a few of the better ones) handle high profile H.264 video on Tegra 2 devices. so 90% of the stuff available online is not working, means they wont play at all or have massive framerate and sound issues. go and check out the latest movie trailers available in 1080p mp4 or download an x.264 encoded mkv file of your favourite tv show and you can see for yourself.
if you insist on your statement, then please put up a video source so i can verify. i would really love to learn that you are right and i have just a broken device ;-)
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Well if you're trying to play 1080p video on a device that only has a native resolution of 1280 x 800 as this statement indicates, then the joke is on you sir.

guys, please read my post carefully or even better inform yourself and stop posting such unhelpful comments.
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Well if you're trying to play 1080p video on a device that only has a native resolution of 1280 x 800 as this statement indicates, then the joke is on you sir.
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it's Acer and Nvidea who claim that Tegra 2 can play and output 1080p video (base profile h264) through HDMI, not me. i've just fallen for their marketing, trying to play some of my favourite 720p tv shows on my so called "HD device"...
also, i don't get your point about the resolution. are you trying to say that a full HD display is mandatory in order to enjoy a 1080p video? or that its content will look better if video resolution would match the Iconia display resolution? sorry sir, i really think you are the funny guy here.

uli68 said:
guys, please read my post carefully or even better inform yourself and stop posting such unhelpful comments.
it's Acer and Nvidea who claim that Tegra 2 can play and output 1080p video (base profile h264) through HDMI, not me. i've just fallen for their marketing, trying to play some of my favourite 720p tv shows on my so called "HD device"...
also, i don't get your point about the resolution. are you trying to say that you need full HD display in order to enjoy a 1080p video? or that its content will look better if video resolution would match the display resolution? sorry sir, i really think you are the funny guy here.
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OK I guess I'll just have to write you off as a n00btard if you think that playing a 1080p video on a 1280 x 800 screen will benefit you in any way, shape, or form roflol

kjy2010 said:
OK I guess I'll just have to write you off as a n00btard if you think that playing a 1080p video on a 1280 x 800 screen will benefit you in any way, shape, or form roflol
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i did not say i wanted to play 1080p on my device - you are clearly not able to read and most probably just a fanboy.
besides, i still don't get your point. i would chose 1080p over 720p if i had the choice. and you would stick to 720p or SD because you think there is no "benefit" in playing higher resolution content on smaller display? well, quantified the benefit would be at least 80 lines more content, don't you think?
there might be cases where a hard- or software scaler messes up while downscaling a video and picture quality degrades, but generally the higher the resolution the better the picture quality, regardless of display resolution.
now, back to topic please!

uli68 said:
i did not say i wanted to play 1080p on my device - you are clearly not able to read and most probably just a fanboy.
now, back to topic please!
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uli68 said:
it's Acer and Nvidea who claim that Tegra 2 can play and output 1080p video (base profile h264) through HDMI, not me. i've just fallen for their marketing, trying to play some of my favourite 720p tv shows on my so called "HD device"...
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Atleast I can play baseline and normal profile H.264 content at 1080p just fine. It's only high-profile that reverts to software and doesn't play well.
are you trying to say that a full HD display is mandatory in order to enjoy a 1080p video?
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The display itself is 720p, so trying to play 1080p content on a 720p display is kind of pointless. You won't see the extra resolution anyways. Though if you're playing through HDMI to a 1080p display then it makes sense.
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but generally the higher the resolution the better the picture quality, regardless of display resolution.
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Not entirely correct. Higher resolution doesn't equal better compression quality, so you can easily have 1080p video that looks like ass crap, and you can have SD video that looks better.
That said there are lots of reasons to choose 720p over 1080p on A500: 720p high-profile video generally looks much better than 1080p baseline-profile, high-profile fares a lot better in high-motion scenes, and high-profile takes less storage space than baseline-profile. And well, since you can't see the extra resolution anyways you're just wasting extra storage space on stuff you can't even see.

http://www.arm.com/community/partners/display_product/rw/ProductId/5770/
clearly states 1080p support via HDMI output.... is this what your after???

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my question: is a software solution realistic or maybe just a waste of time? personally i doubt it, especially since the successor, Tegra 3, again includes NEON.
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A software solution will only boost applications that are specifically designed to utilize it, and the hardware simply isn't fast enough to decode 1080p high-profile in software at full speed, so no, no matter what NVIDIA is claiming they cannot do magic tricks here.
but maybe a custom rom like Thor could add enough horsepower to the device to enable at least smooth software decoding? anyone using this rom already noticed a performance gain?
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Thor or some other custom ROM can only increase clock speed, there is nothing else to be done about it. And you can increase clock speed even on the stock ROM anyways.
But as I mentioned I have absolutely no problem running 1080p baseline- or normal-profile content, or 720p content, because I am not using the stock player. Use one of the players from Android Market, they're a lot faster and smarter than the stock player.
Also an important note to you: the stock player reverts to SOFTWARE if audio is AC3 encoded. That is probably the issue you're seeing. The players from Android Market do AC3 in software, but send the video to the hardware, so that's why they don't lag with AC3 audio.

uli68 said:
i did not say i wanted to play 1080p on my device - you are clearly not able to read and most probably just a fanboy.
besides, i still don't get your point. i would chose 1080p over 720p if i had the choice. and you would stick to 720p or SD because you think there is no "benefit" in playing higher resolution content on smaller display? well, quantified the benefit would be at least 80 lines more content, don't you think?
there might be cases where a hard- or software scaler messes up while downscaling a video and picture quality degrades, but generally the higher the resolution the better the picture quality, regardless of display resolution.
now, back to topic please!
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I was on topic, if you can't understand that attempting to play 1080p Res videos on a 1280x800 display has no benefits whatsoever, then maybe you need one of These.
I honestly don't understand what is so friggin' tough about understanding the concept, and you clearly stated 1080p in your first post.

He's trying to playback through the HDMI port, muppet.

Here ya go, educate yourself.
" If the incoming source has more pixels than the display's native resolution, you will lose some visible detail and sharpness, though often what you're left with still looks great. If the incoming source has fewer pixels than the native resolution, you're not getting any extra sharpness from the television's pixels."
http://reviews.cnet.com/hdtv-resolution/

guys, and ladies, please, this thread is not about pro and contra of full hd content on smaller displays.
the question is:
is it likely that (at some point soon) there will be a workaround to overcome the issue of the missing NEON video instruction set on Tegra 2?
again, my goal is not to play 1080p content on my Iconia, just some 720p stuff, mostly TV shows encoded in H264 high profile mkv files. and no, they wont run using MX player or any other player currently available. and i guess that's also due to the missing NEON. please see the link provided in my first post.

uli68 said:
guys, and ladies, please, this thread is not about pro and contra of full hd content on smaller displays.
the question is:
is it likely that (at some point soon) there will be a workaround to overcome the issue of the missing NEON video instruction set on Tegra 2?
again, my goal is not to play 1080p content on my Iconia, just some 720p stuff, mostly TV shows encoded in H264 high profile mkv files. and no, they wont run using MX player or any other player currently available. and i guess that's also due to the missing NEON. please see the link provided in my first post.
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I already answered your questions.

WereCatf said:
A software solution will only boost applications that are specifically designed to utilize it, and the hardware simply isn't fast enough to decode 1080p high-profile in software at full speed, so no, no matter what NVIDIA is claiming they cannot do magic tricks here.
Thor or some other custom ROM can only increase clock speed, there is nothing else to be done about it. And you can increase clock speed even on the stock ROM anyways.
But as I mentioned I have absolutely no problem running 1080p baseline- or normal-profile content, or 720p content, because I am not using the stock player. Use one of the players from Android Market, they're a lot faster and smarter than the stock player.
Also an important note to you: the stock player reverts to SOFTWARE if audio is AC3 encoded. That is probably the issue you're seeing. The players from Android Market do AC3 in software, but send the video to the hardware, so that's why they don't lag with AC3 audio.
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thanks. well, in respect to 1080p content i don't have much hope either. but, and again, 720p content encoded in h264 high profile does NOT work for me. i have massive framerate issues and sound also drops off completely after a few seconds. i tested with google, rockplayer and mx player (all of the latest builds).
here's another example file for you and everyone else to check and report back:
The.Walking.Dead.S02E06.PROPER.720p.HDTV.x264-ORENJI.mkv

Who's the ignoramus?
kjy2010 said:
Here ya go, educate yourself.
" If the incoming source has more pixels than the display's native resolution, you will lose some visible detail and sharpness, though often what you're left with still looks great. If the incoming source has fewer pixels than the native resolution, you're not getting any extra sharpness from the television's pixels."
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You sir are an ignorant boor who is incapable of reading. You couldn't read the posts properly and you can't even read your quote properly.
A 1080p file has more visual information. For example, it's possible to see a small mole on somebodies face in 1080p that in 720p or lower has been smoothed out and is now invisible. Playing that 1080p file on a lower resolution device gives the possibility that the mole will be visible depending on how the hardware scaling is done and since most hardware scaling isn't going for compressed file size and won't be applying gaussian blurs etc... you WILL see that mole.
The new Nook Tablet and Kindle Fire have the same screen resolution, one streams videos at SD and the other at HD. Now even though the tablet isn't capable of HD the one that streams HD is noticably sharper and has more detail. Go look up the pictures if you want. Take your own advice and educate yourself before you berate people for their ignorance when it is you who are ignorant with poor reading comprehension.

jmc23 said:
A 1080p file has more visual information. For example, it's possible to see a small mole on somebodies face in 1080p that in 720p or lower has been smoothed out and is now invisible. Playing that 1080p file on a lower resolution device gives the possibility that the mole will be visible depending on how the hardware scaling is done and since most hardware scaling isn't going for compressed file size and won't be applying gaussian blurs etc... you WILL see that mole.
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Mate, it doesn't work like that. It doesn't matter if the picture is scaled down before compression or after decompression, it's still scaled down. And no sane compression technology uses gaussian blur.
The new Nook Tablet and Kindle Fire have the same screen resolution, one streams videos at SD and the other at HD. Now even though the tablet isn't capable of HD the one that streams HD is noticably sharper and has more detail. Go look up the pictures if you want.
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The difference is due to the fact that the HD video is compressed with better quality settings than the SD video. Besides, Kindle Fire IS 1024x600 pixels in size which means it is indeed almost 720p HD resolution meaning that HD content only needs to be scaled down by 120 lines whereas SD content has to be scaled UP instead: well, OF COURSE it will look like crap.
In other words you're comparing apples and oranges and you don't know what you're talking about either.
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here's another example file for you and everyone else to check and report back:
The.Walking.Dead.S02E06.PROPER.720p.HDTV.x264-ORENJI.mkv
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I just tried that file with Dice Player. It stutters for about 5 seconds, then settles down and works like a dream. In other words, working just fine on my tablet.

I had problems playing 720p mkv files as well, no matter which player I used. The stock 3.2 rom appears to be missing the framework for hardware decoding of these files. No such problems since installing various Thor roms though. They all play fine now. 1080p is probably too much though. I use mx player by the way.