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In 2009 HTC Corporation used QSD8250 1GHz chipset in the HTC HD2.[5] However, the Snapdragon's 720p High-Definition video decoding was disabled on the HTC HD2, because its operating system, Windows Mobile does not recognize HD video.
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So anybody have idea how is it disabled ? If suppose WM 6.6 or WM 7.0 OS have HD video support and we install on HD2.
Question 1 : Is HD video decoding is disabled at CPU iteself by qualcomm or at HTC in bios or somthing sort off or is it due to OS/Kernel limitation ?
Question 2 : Can we play 720p videos if we rom update with HD Video supported WM 6.6/7 ?
I searched on here / google but didnt get the ans...
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New drivers might/could open up these possibilities on upcoming WM6.6-WM7 releases. However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
It would, however, be nice not having to re-encode the file before putting it on your phone. Still, it wouldn't be of much use without TV out imo.
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However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
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On the contrary, it would be very useful indeed: you could download and store just one version of the video for use on either a desktop PC or a phone, and no transcoding would be required, with consequent enormous savings in time and electricity.
BLAST3RR said:
New drivers might/could open up these possibilities on upcoming WM6.6-WM7 releases. However, there is no real use in playing back 720p movies on your device due to it's limited resolution.
It would, however, be nice not having to re-encode the file before putting it on your phone. Still, it wouldn't be of much use without TV out imo.
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Yeah i agree with you that its not wise to play 720 videos considering screen resolution and cpu / battery usage.
But what i will like , that if copy movies / videos at work I can watch while returning home in metro.
Or while journey in train etc i can copy videos from passengers (many are carrying notebooks for watching movies or mail on olong distance journeys) and play them on my HD2..
One more question considereing 1ghz processor is there any app for conevrting Videos from phone only....(I know video encoding is resource heavy task still.. ???)
I don't know about a movie cause most of full lenght movies ar in mkv and bigger than 4 gigs, and as far as i know ntfs file system is not supported by any phone. Although series episodes would be nice without conversation its just consumes a lot of time apart from downloadig.
file size is definately going to be an issue for most people here (imo), regardless of whether the device will play 720p or not.
Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.
yeah only x264 ones so where is the problem, standard 720p warez rels are x264
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Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.
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It is useless because the device resolution isnt great enough to fully appreciate the HD content.
Conversion is also an issue but as has been said x264 is supported.
Only in the right container and with the right conversion settings. 90% of all "warez" videos would have to be converted anyway...
...you want HTC to make the device even more expensive only to be able to play 10% of your illegally downloaded videos without conversion?
Ridiculous. As long as there's no HDMI out, 720p is completely useless, it only adds additional costs and efforts and delay to the release of the devices.
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Only in the right container and with the right conversion settings. 90% of all "warez" videos would have to be converted anyway...
...you want HTC to make the device even more expensive only to be able to play 10% of your illegally downloaded videos without conversion?
Ridiculous. As long as there's no HDMI out, 720p is completely useless, it only adds additional costs and efforts and delay to the release of the devices.
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I think it would be closer to 100% of peoples illegal downloads would be playable on the leo if its Snapdragon's 720p High-Definition video decoding was enabled.
But... not much point without bigger storage volume on the device.
I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
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I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
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you are not seeing the bigger picture my friend!
pirates upload movies that have been converted for playback on whatever device already,... you would start to see 720p_HD2_Movie illegal downloads all over the place... this is what i mean
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I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
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What additional costs ??? considering Nexus 1 with snapdragon processor plays 720p vidoes then why HD2 can't ? Where the limitation is ?
and i know 720p videos playing on small resolution has no advantage but disadvantage at the cost of cpu and battery.. but i remebery the days i owned Sony erricson which supportd only 176X220 cannot play videos even 320x240 ... the videos has to exactly encoded at 176x220 resolution to play on it. tha was a pain as videos larger shared by frnds mobile will not play....
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Some people will never get it, but 720p playback without HDMI out is COMPLETELY USELESS.
Because it does NOT remove the need of converting the videos. Even if a phone is capable of playing back 720p videos, it plays only specifically converted videos and NOT every 720p video.
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The reason people don't "get" that statement is because it's WRONG. There is no reason at all to assume that 720p videos would require conversion under those circumstances. It simply isn't true that there is something special and unique about specific codecs that makes them suitable for hardware-accelerated playback while others are not: it's merely coincidence that certain hardware-accelerated applications happen to support only those codecs now. Even if it were the case that only H264 video could be played at 720p, that's the format that virtually all 720p video is already in! This has been argued out at some length in previous threads, for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604437&highlight=720p&page=4
It's also simply not true that there is no point in playing 720p video on a 480p screen. There would be an enormous benefit in terms of convenience: you'd only have to download a single version of a file for desktop PC and phone use, and no transcoding would be needed.
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I could be wrong, but aren't most illegal downloaded videos in the divx container? Those would not play without conversion to .mp4. It's not enough that they are H.264, they also need to be in the right container, with the right audio format and bitrate etc.
Definitely not worth the additional cost and wait on the device.
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Even if that were the case (and, as already explained, it isn't - there's nothing magical about .mp4 that makes it easier to play back) conversion from one container format to another is hugely much faster and easier than converting between codecs and resolutions.
Incidentally, divx is not a container, anyway, it's a codec.
Of course all codecs can, in theory, be hardware accelerated. But there is no manufacturer that enables hardware acceleration for more than one codec. That's a cost and time issue and it's simply not going to happen anytime soon.
At the moment, there is absolutely no point in adding 720p playback capabilities to a phone without digital TV out.
And Shasarak, I'm really getting tired of all your false or unfounded statements, it really seems like you're trying to spread FUD. If you say things that you can't be sure about (like your statements about the availability of WM7 for example), then please tell people that it's your opinion. Otherwise, your statements are no better than lies.
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Of course all codecs can, in theory, be hardware accelerated. But there is no manufacturer that enables hardware acceleration for more than one codec.
There is absolutely no point in adding 720p playback capabilities to a phone without digital TV out.
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And again, wrong on all points. I explained why 720p playback would be useful in my last post: convenience. As for hardware acceleration of multiple codecs, are you not aware that there is a version of CorePlayer which runs with hardware acceleration on the Toshiba TG01? (Possibly also on the Acer NeoTouch, I'm not sure). The standard video player on Samsung phones also supports multiple formats with acceleration. Even HTCAlbum handles .mp4 and .3gp files using either of the codecs the HD2 camera can use, while Pocket Media Player handles .WMV's as well.
Coreplayer with hardware acceleration for ALL codecs? I believe it when I see it. Till then, you're simply wrong.
I wouldn't want HTC to spend time and money on that anyway, until they release a device with HDMI out. I want my devices earlier and cheaper. I think you're a minority, anyway
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Coreplayer with hardware acceleration for ALL codecs? I believe it when I see it.
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You're just determined to make yourself look silly, aren't you? I've seen it. It was even briefly posted on this forum at one point before the Coreplayer writers requested that the thread be removed on the grounds that it was basically a warez thread - distributing copies of commercial software for free. Do some googling for "OEM CorePlayer" if you don't believe me. Of course it cannot legally be run on anything other than a TG01 (which ships with it) as only Toshiba have paid the money to Qualcomm to license Qualcomm intellectual property.
I'm so tired of all your unfounded claims. Link please or it didn't happen!
And as you realized yourself, it's a money issue. I do NOT want HTC to spend money (and time) on this useless feature.
Of course, as soon as they release a device with HDMI out, it'll be a different story.
I can barely play any codecs on my tmobile tab. Is it suppose to play Divx or xvid out the box? or do different carriers' tabs have different video codecs?
Also is there a stock video player app installed or can you only play out of the Gallery app?
I've already tried rockplayer and vplayer, both have video and audio lag for divx 720i videos.
ANd if other carriers tabs have more codecs can i install thme in my tmo tab?
The Tab plays more video out of the box than any other Android (or Apple) device I've ever used, and I've used most.
Now if you're trying to play videos you've (ahem) gathered from around the net, you will certainly find some that won't play properly. "Found" videos can have a truly phenomenal combination of audio codecs, video codecs, and bitrates, any of which might prevent proper playback.
While you cannot directly add codecs to Android (as yet), there are third party video players that will handle just about anything.
Rockplayer is one of these third party players. While it will play nearly anything thrown at it, it's not hardware accelerated (doesn't use the GPU) so it is largely limited to lower bitrate, standard definition videos.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/rockplayer-universal/com.redirectin.rockplayer.android.unified
if you actually read all that I posted you will see that i have tried RockPlayer.
And trust me I know enough about video codec, bitrates, and depths (Visual Effects/Graphics Artist) to tell you that I'm trying basic Divx and Xvid codec at a decent to low Bitrate and they are not working on Stock Video player and will not run smooth enough on rockplayer do to lack of graphic acceleration.
ALso, No the Samsung tab is not the Leader of COdec in the ANdroid Tablet market. The ARchos tablets (70,101 etc) lead in stock codecs by far (I own both a samsung tab and a 101).
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The only codec that is accelerated is h.264 in any container. So, mp4 and mkv work fine even at 1080p resolution.
If you encode your movies in h.264 and set Rockplayer to use hardware decoding mode down low in the settings, you'll have no problem viewing it.
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ALso, No the Samsung tab is not the Leader of COdec in the ANdroid Tablet market. The ARchos tablets (70,101 etc) lead in stock codecs by far (I own both a samsung tab and a 101).
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It's true that the Archos can play a lot of video formats, but I don't put it in the same category as other top Android devices because it's so lacking in other areas.
Sorry I just perused your previous post, but I've truly had very few problems in playing video on the Tab, even with "found" videos.
In fully reading your post, my question to you would be, Why Divx? If you're encoding video specifically for use on the Tab, why not encode to h264?
I have the Sprint SGT, and I have zero problems with 720 mkv and avi files, regardless of who encoded them. The stock player renders them as smooth as silk. It also has a 5.1 mobile mode for AC3 audio tracks. And the control lock means I can wipe fingerprints off the screen off with my shirt without disturbing playback. My only complaint with the player is the lack of a skip button.
I have read other complaints from other SGT users about poor or stuttery playback, and I'm quite baffled. The only file that would play were 720p mov files. Other than that, I've had zero problems.
Rockplayer was awesome on the Evo, but its useless for me on the SGT. Its now useless for me on the Evo, but thats because I don't even bother watching videos on the Evo anymore.
Wait... I did encounter one problem. I downloaded the newest version of mkvmerge to split mkv files into <2GB parts, and those files will not play on the SGT. But I mostly watch TV and those files top out at 1.5 GB. But xvid avi is no problem. Dunno about divx for sure, I never really use it.
well i have problems with sound playing 1080p BRRip H264 AAC-.mp4 files i get no sound,does anyone know why?
Is this your own rip or did you... uh... find it laying around?
Thank you all for the replies.
Im using Divx and Xvid because those are the native file formats I'm downloading from a sever/email at work on to my SGT on the go. If I could I would convert to mp4 or h264. Is there a android video converter app that can do did?
Yes I heard that the Sprint SGT can play Divx and some MKV out the box (my friend has one), why is that? Different native video player? If so can I get it extracted for my Tmobile Tab?
ALso I never said Archos are on the top on android Tablet List, I was pointing out that they have Much more codecs out the box "Leaders in Codecs out-the-box"
Lastly Rockplayer is studding on me, giving me about 20-25fps when my video files are 30fps. Also audio sometimes lags on Divx and mkv files.
What is the latest version Rockplayer app out there or is there a better video app for SGT??
Have you tried VPlayer??? I prefer it over Rockplayer
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Yes I heard that the Sprint SGT can play Divx and some MKV out the box (my friend has one), why is that? Different native video player? If so can I get it extracted for my Tmobile Tab?
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Very interesting. I do have the Sprint Tab, perhaps that's why it plays almost everything I throw at it.
I'd never considered that different versions of the Tab would have such a major difference in codec support. I'd figured Samsung was responsible for paying the licensing fees for the various included codecs. Looking at the reality of these significant codec differences, it makes me wonder if the codec licensing fees aren't instead forced on the carriers themselves. That's the only reason I can fathom to explain the codec differences.
The Sprint ROM's are online here. My guess is that you could certainly pull the necessary files out of the Sprint rom and run them on your device. That said, I've absolutely no idea how the codecs are packaged and which files and libraries you'd need.
my tmo tab being a gsm device might not play nice with a sprint rom. And I have no idea how to take apart a rom or how to add codec to mine tab.
Anyone have any other options?
Also I have tried v player and same result as rock player
So far my tab has played all my video files with out a problem, (mostly .mkv animes) i have to use mkv sub extactor (from the market) to get subtitles to work. Rockplayer would go out of sync after 5mins of 720p .mkv
RockPlayer can play h.264 720p MKV videos using hardware acceleration as long as they don't have DTS audio (as many do when they are real BluRay rips). If you play TV rips they generally work since they are not using DTS. Dolby audio might work in HW mode as well, I am not sure.
You can play DTS audio though, but only in software mode . But the processor in the SGT cannot keep up with both DTS and h.264 in 720p. I think it might manage 480p with DTS though.
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my tmo tab being a gsm device might not play nice with a sprint rom. And I have no idea how to take apart a rom or how to add codec to mine tab.
Anyone have any other options?
Also I have tried v player and same result as rock player
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From what I've read, most incompatibilities between GSM and CDMA versions of the Tab have to do with communications related apps, limitations that should have no impact on the video app.
I would think it's extremely likely that the Sprint video app and/or codecs would run flawlessly on other versions of the Tab. Ripping apps from ROM's and deodexing them is not my forte, but there are many in the developer forums who are very experienced in that sort of thing.
I use mVideoPlayer. It plays everything I throw at it.
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well i have problems with sound playing 1080p BRRip H264 AAC-.mp4 files i get no sound,does anyone know why?
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Probably because it's a 1080p H264 file and you're trying to play it on a device with a 1Ghz processor, and no hardware acceleration for video playback. It can't cope.
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From what I've read, most incompatibilities between GSM and CDMA versions of the Tab have to do with communications related apps, limitations that should have no impact on the video app.
I would think it's extremely likely that the Sprint video app and/or codecs would run flawlessly on other versions of the Tab. Ripping apps from ROM's and deodexing them is not my forte, but there are many in the developer forums who are very experienced in that sort of thing.
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....Anyone?
Filgaliel said:
I use mVideoPlayer. It plays everything I throw at it.
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If you read the app detail for mVideoPlayer, it only play videos/codecs your phone/tablet can already play. It doesn't add anything or help at all. It's just a skin that takes up app space.
...thanks anyway
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Is this your own rip or did you... uh... find it laying around?
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downloaded from the net.
Hi Iconia-Lovers,
I really love my Tab for web-browsing and gaming, but you have to admit it sucks at video playing. MP4 and 3GP are crappy formats that are hardly used in RL und converting your whole video and movie collection isn't a real option.
I had have an Archos A70 which plays even 1080p MKV flawless with a single core 1GHZ CPU, but relies on an additional decoding chip if i get this right.
In theory, the Tegra 2 has more than enough power to play 1080p files, right?
I already tried like 6 different media players but all of them weren't able to play 720p mkvs nice and even non-HD-avi-files felt a little slowed-down.
So can we hope for a hardware-accelerated media player that enables alle the joy of moving pictures for us? Will possibly acer itself help us out on this issue? What are Samsung and Motorola doing on their Gingerbread tablets to enable nice media playing?
Hoping for a better tomorrow
Cheers
pint
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Hi Iconia-Lovers,
I had have an Archos A70 which plays even 1080p MKV flawless with a single core 1GHZ CPU, but relies on an additional decoding chip if i get this right.
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you sure about that?? my 101 throws a fit with 1080p mkv videos and both use the the firmware.
but i agree, i would love better video support on the iconia, since it runs circles around my archos when it comes to everything else.
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Hi Iconia-Lovers,
I really love my Tab for web-browsing and gaming, but you have to admit it sucks at video playing. MP4 and 3GP are crappy formats that are hardly used in RL und converting your whole video and movie collection isn't a real option.
I had have an Archos A70 which plays even 1080p MKV flawless with a single core 1GHZ CPU, but relies on an additional decoding chip if i get this right.
In theory, the Tegra 2 has more than enough power to play 1080p files, right?
I already tried like 6 different media players but all of them weren't able to play 720p mkvs nice and even non-HD-avi-files felt a little slowed-down.
So can we hope for a hardware-accelerated media player that enables alle the joy of moving pictures for us? Will possibly acer itself help us out on this issue? What are Samsung and Motorola doing on their Gingerbread tablets to enable nice media playing?
Hoping for a better tomorrow
Cheers
pint
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Tried VPlayer? it costs like $4/ £2.30 but it can play practically all standards, not sure how it fares for 1080p tho.
I had it playing .avi and .mkv fine though.
Vplayer--
Video formats: divx/xvid, wmv, m4v, flv, rmvb, avi, mkv, mov, mp4, 3gp, ts, tp...
Streaming: http, rtsp, mms and m3u(apple http stream, m3u8)
I use UPnPlay (network streaming) along with MoboPlayer and it has played everything i have on my NAS very well.
Also I know Rockplayer gives you the option of hardware/software decoding so you may want to give that a try if you haven't already. There is a free version.
Both moboplayer and rock player are useless for my 720p and 1080p videos... total stutterfest, but that's a known thing for tegra devices on 3.0...
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Both moboplayer and rock player are useless for my 720p and 1080p videos... total stutterfest, but that's a known thing for tegra devices on 3.0...
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Hmmm... I use moboplayer, and every 720 did I've tried has been great! I haven't tried any 1080p vids though.
tested 1080 quality....the videos lag and the audio missing....
hope acer will figure it out....
Avatar & 10,000 B.C. in 1080P using UPnPlay & MoboPlayer streamed from my WD NAS, looks great. No lagging at all.
not another one of these threads..
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not another one of these threads..
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Guess what? You aren't being forced to read this thread.
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Guess what? It pushes down other, more quality threads.
Guess what? There's already something like 6 or 7 threads EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE already.
Guess what? People need to learn to use the search function.
Guess what? Guess what? Guess what?
^ If you don't like it, report it to a mod and move on...
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Guess what? It pushes down other, more quality threads.
Guess what? There's already something like 6 or 7 threads EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE already.
Guess what? People need to learn to use the search function.
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Guess what? You've just caused this thread to get bumped several times.
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I have been trying all the suggested encoders to get smooth playback for film material as 60/50hz works fine. I maybe more sensative to it than others as I tent to look for it on moving objects. But I got it to replace a media player too.
I tried the script posted in another thread with good results but the jump is still there.
Bought DVD Catalist 4 with same results.
Freemake with custom profile same again.
Handbreak I find too slow but I read it works but can't verify it.
Any Video Converter Pro with xoom profile WORKS - it has very little judder but having to strip the subtitles out of the MKV every time is a real pain ( Anyone know how to disable them ) and it's too expensive anyway.
Trying to edit DVD Catalist 4 profile now but no success yet
Oh and I tried Vplayer , Rockplayer , Moboplayer and any others I could find
Hope my two weeks at this helps somone else out.
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With any problem, you need to find its parameters. Only a handful of people notice the "micro-stutter" deal, so it's either a user sensitivity issue, or a tablet-centric issue (which could be hardware or software, user-caused or device defect).
Ask somebody to watch a video clip on your tablet, and ask them if they see anything wrong with playback. Don't tell him beforehand about "micro-stutter", as you don't want to bias his observation.
If he notices the stutter, it's your tablet. If he doesn't, it's you.
If the first, then bring a video clip on a uSD card into a store and try it on other tablets (hopefully with same or similar make as yours). If it doesn't happen on other tabs, then replace your tab. If it happens on every other tab, then again it's you.
If you have heightened sensitivity, then there may be params that can alleviate the issue. The default interleave for MP4Box is 0.5s. You can reduce this interleave, eg
MP4Box -inter 250 -add infile.mp4 -new outfile.mp4
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MP4Box -tight -add infile.mp4 -new outfile.mp4
MP4Box works on MP4 only. Given that MKVs can only play in software mode currently on Teg2 tabs, it's a fool's errand to play MKV and claim that they don't play smoothly. Avail of the native support.
Mobo Player plays my mkv and xvid/divx AVI's just fine. I'm no codec/encoding expert, but from what I've read it's worth re-encoding some of the files to a more manageable bitrate for both audio and video and maybe dump the 5.1 or AC3 audio. I haven't looked at every file I've played, but a couple that would choke on my Win7 Asus netbook, I re-encoded with Handbrake. They still look and sound great.
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Given that MKVs can only play in software mode currently
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I understood that that's the whole point the OP was trying to make: he wishes that someone makes a video player application that can handle MKVs via the hardware decoder. It's not a bad thing to wish for, either; it would provide better performance and hardware playback uses less battery, too.
The question remains: is it possible? As far as I know, the chip itself doesn't get relayed anything more than the actual video stream inside the file, regardless of the container, and thus an app should be able to do exactly that. But since I don't know anything about Android internals are applications given any such access?
My N900 phone uses regular GStreamer stack and thus you can demux anything you want and supply the video stream to the hardware decoder. As long as it's H.264 normal profile and not too high a resolution it'll play, regardless of the originating container.
There's nothing wrong with wishing, but until it happens, we have to use what we've got. For HC, for now that means MP4 for native support.
3.1 thus far has been worse than 2.x insofar as multimedia, probably because vendors have had 2.x for much longer, and were able to add enhanced support. A good case in point is the Samsung GalTab 7 vs the GalTab 10.1. The 7, released last year, can play MKV. The new 10.1 can't. Ditto for all the "my old phone can play MKV, why can't my tablet" complaints. It is what it is.
From all indications, HC was and is a rush job. It had to be pushed out the door because of competition from the iPad. I think the prospective buyer should understand that s/he is buying into a beta, and temper his expectations accordingly. Android has high potential, but now isn't then.
I've written a script that does fast remux/convert to MP4. A straight remux takes a few minutes, and it can process batch. It's a more productive route than wishing for a HW-accel player to come along.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102922
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It's a more productive route than wishing for a HW-accel player to come along.
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I suppose that's a matter of viewpoint.
I took a look at the MediaPlayer class in Google's APIs and it seems to me that it should be fairly straightforward to demux the MKV file in software on-the-fly, create named pipe with mkfifo and feed the MediaPlayer class the raw video stream via that. Just throw a simple GUI on top of that and you have a rudimentary video player capable of playing MKV files with hardware accelerated video.
I'll try it out once I receive my tablet, was planning to learn Android programming anyways.
PS. Bah, doesn't allow me to post links yet :/
Hi folks,
Is there any posibility of a lagfree playing of those videos ?
It sucks watching Videos with less than 20fps...
3.1 is supposed to improve playback... just no idea if it will improve 720/1080p playback
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I use Handbrake and imported these setting I found on the net.
https://sites.google.com/site/theiveryinc/a500files
That Google site is mine.
Converts all my 720p.mkv files perfectly, the only issue is the files are big, 2-4 GB, but the quality is outstanding. They even play on 'Movies' which darkens the navigation bar.
i was looking for something like this so many times before, but I never found a stable movie app. On my Samsung Galaxy S II however, it's no problem at all. And that's a freaking phone man! But it's no wonder the hole system is so fast. It makes my newly aquired Iconia looking really sluggish and outdated :-( I don't know if I gonna keep this tablet or gonna look my movies on a 4.3" screen...
I asked Acer customer support whether they're ever going to support additional formats and they replied that they won't ever add support for MKV and can't comment on the rest. So official support for MKV is out the window.
Mkv isn't a video format, it's a container. It's just that most mkv's don't contain only baseline h.264, which is the only supported video format currently. The most benefit would come from adding support for main or high profile h.264
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Mkv isn't a video format, it's a container.
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I know, it still doesn't help at all if the video player application or framework don't support the container format. I personally love MKV, it's handy to slap in two different audio tracks and subtitles in English, Finnish and the hearing-impaired version, plus any metadata about the movie itself. No need to hassle with several files then.
The most benefit would come from adding support for main or high profile h.264
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Indeed. I tried transcoding a 1080p movie to 720p in constant quality mode, both in baseline and high profile modes, and while the quality was the same the high profile one used a lot less storage space. With storage space being rather scarse on mobile devices....
Well, we can only hope. But I don't know if the DSP is beefy enough to decode high profile or if it can be re-programmed to support it. Some DSPs are hardcoded and can't be used for anything other than what they already do when shipped. I don't know anything about Tegra 2 internals so I don't know what to expect.
godashram said:
3.1 is supposed to improve playback... just no idea if it will improve 720/1080p playback
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I use 3.1 atm, but there is no mentionable ddifference to 3.0.1
The nVIDIA Tegra 2 250 is fully able to hardware decode:
H.264
VC-1 AP
MPEG2
MPEG-4
DivX 4/5
XviD HT
H.263
Theora
VP8
WMV
Sorenson Spark
Real Video
VP6
and encode:
H.264
MPEG4
H.263
VP8
And this is for 1080p both enc/dec
Why ACER can't (won't) support them is beyond me! Even my Single Core 7" Samsung Galaxy TAB can play all 1080p videos I have thrown at it!
And here is the full spec of the Tegra 2 250 Link!
Is it maybe because of that, that I play these videos from my USB-HDD?
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Is it maybe because of that, that I play these videos from my USB-HDD?
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You can always copy one of them to the TAB and see if there is any change ( I doubt it)
Using a OLD 60gb usb hdd (literally 8 years old)
And it does not seem to matter - even with the low speed of an old external drive I have no issues playing video from it.
.Mkv -- Regardless of where it is stored is not going to work on the Iconia right now - i don't think there is anything anyone can do or change to fix that right now - the system will not?/can not? use the hardware decoder on mkv files - and software decoding, even for a low bit rate video file is always going to suck.
Hopefully 3.1 will improve our video performance - but I find it a very simple matter to just transcode a video file if the only source I have handy is mkv. Plenty of great and free tools that make the process pretty darn easy. I watch a lot of movies/TV on my a500 - and get a great experience as long as I don't throw .mkv files at it.
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Indeed. I tried transcoding a 1080p movie to 720p in constant quality mode, both in baseline and high profile modes, and while the quality was the same the high profile one used a lot less storage space. With storage space being rather scarse on mobile devices....
Well, we can only hope. But I don't know if the DSP is beefy enough to decode high profile or if it can be re-programmed to support it. Some DSPs are hardcoded and can't be used for anything other than what they already do when shipped. I don't know anything about Tegra 2 internals so I don't know what to expect.
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My understanding is tegra2 will support h.264 high profile up to 720p @ 20mbps, but only baseline profile for 1080p.
With regard to the container format vs video format thing, I'm under the impression that container format support can be added by an app - so even if Acer never support mkv in the default player, if they do add hardware high profile h.264, then other apps should be able to play an mkv that contains high profile h.264 with hardware acceleration.
entropy.of.avarice said:
Hopefully 3.1 will improve our video performance - but I find it a very simple matter to just transcode a video file if the only source I have handy is mkv. Plenty of great and free tools that make the process pretty darn easy. I watch a lot of movies/TV on my a500 - and get a great experience as long as I don't throw .mkv files at it.
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From playing around with PRIMEE, mkv containers are split appropriately and if the video format is supported hardware decoding works. The problem is that there is no support for AC3 therefore majority of compatible MKVs will play very well but have no sound.
Unfortunately once software encoding is enabled we are back to the same stuttery playback issues.
I personally don't believe it's Acers' job to add playback compatibility, I personally believe it should be built into Honeycomb as a baseline. Honeycomb is a tablet OS and as such should be expected to play popular video and audio. codecs. Saying that, if manufacturers did add additional codec support it would be a solid competitive edge.
Use mobo player.
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Use mobo player.
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Have you read any of the thread, running moboplayer doesn't help, as I mentioned above as soon as you enable software decoding HD MKVs start to get choppy.
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From playing around with PRIMEE, mkv containers are split appropriately and if the video format is supported hardware decoding works. The problem is that there is no support for AC3 therefore majority of compatible MKVs will play very well but have no sound.
Unfortunately once software encoding is enabled we are back to the same stuttery playback issues.
I personally don't believe it's Acers' job to add playback compatibility, I personally believe it should be built into Honeycomb as a baseline. Honeycomb is a tablet OS and as such should be expected to play popular video and audio. codecs. Saying that, if manufacturers did add additional codec support it would be a solid competitive edge.
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Ah, that's good to know, so with a baseline h.264 payload an MKV will play fine on stock?
I think it probably IS Acer's job to add codec support, frankly. At the end of the day we're talking about hardware acceleration, and Android provides the software framework for that to work, and it's up to the hardware vendor to make it work with their specific hardware.
Frankly I think Nvidia should be doing it though - it'd do wonders for Tegra 2 sales if they offered up code to support hardware acceleration for their platform on Android.
I guess you didn't really do your research on video playback on Honeycomb tablets, did you?
You can not blame Acer for poor HD playback when, frankly, this is a Google/nVidia issue. Currently no 10" Honeycomb tablet can playback high profile encoded HD vides--smoothly, if at all--without reconverting said movies.
There may or may not be a *real* fix in the future (quad core Tegras are right around the corner, so...), only time will tell.
OrionBG said:
The nVIDIA Tegra 2 250 is fully able to hardware decode:
H.264
VC-1 AP
MPEG2
MPEG-4
DivX 4/5
XviD HT
H.263
Theora
VP8
WMV
Sorenson Spark
Real Video
VP6
and encode:
H.264
MPEG4
H.263
VP8
And this is for 1080p both enc/dec
Why ACER can't (won't) support them is beyond me! Even my Single Core 7" Samsung Galaxy TAB can play all 1080p videos I have thrown at it!
And here is the full spec of the Tegra 2 250 Link!
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I guess you didn't really do your research on video playback on Honeycomb tablets, did you?
You can not blame Acer for poor HD playback when, frankly, this is a Google/nVidia issue. Currently no 10" Honeycomb tablet can playback high profile encoded HD vides--smoothly, if at all--without reconverting said movies.
There may or may not be a *real* fix in the future (quad core Tegras are right around the corner, so...), only time will tell.
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I bought an ACER device so I'll blame them! Problem here is that the Tegra 2 chip is capable to decode and encode the formats at 1080p without problems! The fact that Google still hasn't taken advantage of this feature doesn't mean that ACER couldn't!! To back my words here is an example:
Samsung! The Galaxy S and Galaxy TAB (7") they have much superior video codec support! I'm playing 1080p movies just perfectly on the Galaxy TAB. Samsung have invested in codec support and optimized it for the platform (both Hardware and Software) The Hummingbird CPU is Single Core! So why can't ACER do it? Maybe because they never did something like this before? Maybe because the have done only the hardware till now and they don't have the programmers that can pull this of? Ones the managers at ACER understand that selling thees devices without enhancing the base that Google provides won't cut it, I think we will have a very good device (not that it isn't good now but...)
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I bought an ACER device so I'll blame them!
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Guess you'll have to "blame" every single manufacturer out there who have a Honeycomb tablet out too, then.
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So does the Samsung 10.1 play 1080p videos smoothly?
From what I've been reading.. no. Frankly, watching a 1080p on a 10" tablet is pointless (which is what I'm assuming you're crying about). If 720p isn't "good enough" on a 10" tablet, well, then, time to buy a 17" laptop.
One of my favourite things about the Tab 10.1 is video format support. My #1 use for the device is watching videos during my morning/afternoon commutes. I download some videos the night before, and drop them onto the SD card in the AM. The Tab was able to play all of the formats I threw at it in 720p no problem, in the stock video player.
The first thing I noticed when I turned on my TouchWiz-updated tablet this morning is that none of the videos on it work. They show up as thumbnails in the gallery and video player, but cannot be played. In Moboplayer, the 720p files struggle because it's now relying on software decoding.
Is anyone having different experiences, or have a work around? I really hope this is not an intended change, or I'm probably going to return it. Too bad as I otherwise really like the update!
The update broke 720p high profile support. 720p baseline still works fine and the difference in image quality is negligible imo.
I hope they fix it in the near future, but as it stands now you either take the improved browser in this TW update, or go back to stock 3.1 or one of the older TW leaks and get 720p high profile support.
That sucks! I am assuming it is a bug and they will fix it.
I apologize for the upcoming noobish question as I'm not particularly familiar with codec's, and don't know the different between baseline and high profiles. I'm assuming I can convert one to the other in one step with handbrake? And would the difference in size be substantial?
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That sucks! I am assuming it is a bug and they will fix it.
I apologize for the upcoming noobish question as I'm not particularly familiar with codec's, and don't know the different between baseline and high profiles. I'm assuming I can convert one to the other in one step with handbrake? And would the difference in size be substantial?
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Yep use handbrake and the baseline profile attached to this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
Just queue up your files and walk away. I think the files might end up slightly larger but I'm not 100% sure, either way it isn't a big difference.
I'm also assuming it's a bug as high profile playback was a feature that was added in HC 3.1
DICE player is still able to play my 720p high profile (in a mkv container) smoothly.
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DICE player is still able to play my 720p high profile (in a mkv container) smoothly.
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Interesting... I'll grab it and try when I get home. Do you know if it is designed for the Tegra 2 and using the GPU to decode the video (I'm assuming it is otherwise it should be stuttering)?
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Interesting... I'll grab it and try when I get home. Do you know if it is designed for the Tegra 2 and using the GPU to decode the video (I'm assuming it is otherwise it should be stuttering)?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1181938
It states it uses hw acceleration on Tegra2 devices.
all the mp4 vids i had are still playing nicely on mobo player
Can anyone comment on DivX/AVI support?
I picked up my GT10.1 today, and since it supports DivX out of the box, gave some a try. I was disappointed that the picture broke up and pixelated repeatedly on every AVI I tried. So, I installed Mobo Player and tried it in software mode, but got exactly the same results (which surprised me somewhat).
I also have an Asus Transformer, and those AVIs play flawlessly on the TF using Mobo Player in software mode (since Asus didn't add hardware support for DivX).
I'm wondering if this is related somehow to this issue, since my GT10.1 came with Touchwiz.
Regards,
Dave
720p High Profile H264 is indeed broken. Verified in Mobo Player and System Media Player.
How do I know they are high profile? I made them, and because I only encode in high profile via handbrake.
Bummer because the Tegra2 handles 720p High Profile H264 wonderfully prior to this update.
I have 4 video players loaded because the built in video player couldn't play all of the videos that I have loaded. Ironically I have the exact opposite experience of the OP, it now plays all the formats I have loaded.
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I have 4 video players loaded because the built in video player couldn't play all of the videos that I have loaded. Ironically I have the exact opposite experience of the OP, it now plays all the formats I have loaded.
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Can you tell us which players you use? Do you need all of them? Does one work better (produce better quality) than the others? Thanks.
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The update broke 720p high profile support. 720p baseline still works fine and the difference in image quality is negligible imo.
I hope they fix it in the near future, but as it stands now you either take the improved browser in this TW update, or go back to stock 3.1 or one of the older TW leaks and get 720p high profile support.
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This is extremely disappointing news because one of the things I love about the SGT is the quality of its video playback. My friend has a Xoom and he was blown away when I showed him some hi-def videos I downloaded.
I have a lot of high-def videos I downloaded straight from Vimeo, and they play flawlessly on my SGT without any conversions whatsoever. The thought of having to use Handbrake -- or anything else -- to convert every video I own is not very appealing to me. I hope Samsung fixes this problem.
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Can you tell us which players you use? Do you need all of them? Does one work better (produce better quality) than the others? Thanks.
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I have mVideoPlayer, which I like the best. I also have ES Video Player which comes with the ES File Explorer. And, I also have VPlayer.
VPlayer will play anything I throw at it. I've never had it not play a video. I only downloaded it because it's required by Remote Potato. Remote Potato lets me play Recorded TV from my Windows Media Center cable card tuner.
To be honest, this is sort of souring the update for me. I'll be testing when I get home to confirm there is no problem playing back lower resolution files. Still, I like to keep a few high-def movies on my Tab and don't want to convert them all. I hope this is a very temporary problem, not something that gets fixed for the 3.2 build.
I don't know if this is related, but when I was trying out the new Kies app on my PC with my tab connected over Wifi, it (Kies on the PC) offered to download new codecs when I first tried to transfer a video over to the Tab. My PC shouldn't have needed new codecs since all the video play on my PC.
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DICE player is still able to play my 720p high profile (in a mkv container) smoothly.
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x2, just tried it out and it worked fine with my high profile 720p videos in mkv and m4v.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.inisoft.mediaplayer.dice
Just to add, the TW update apparently fixed ac3 audio playback.
my video players including the stock player play "high profile" m4v and mkv's perfectly
what a dumb thing to do Samsung..
BluesTele said:
my video players including the stock player play "high profile" m4v and mkv's perfectly
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Well, the stockplayer can't play this pixar short movie. At least, it doesn't on my Tab... Dice Player plays it smoothly.
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Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 47.95 (48000/1001) -> 24.00 (24/1)
Input #0, matroska, from 'for.the.birds.2000.720p.bluray.x264-sinners.mkv':
Metadata:
doctype : matroska
Duration: 00:03:25.24, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 640 kb/s
Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x688, PAR 1:1 DAR 80:43, 23.98 fps, 24 tbr, 1k tbn, 47.95 tbc
Stream #0.1: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1, s16, 640 kb/s