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Vista Mobile Device Sync Problems

I have search everything here and on HTC and on Verizon and here is where I am stuck. Using DCD 3.2.0 (but had same problem with 3.1.6) and latest Radio Rom. It seems to connect just fine to a Windows XP activesync 4.5 computer but will not connect to the Mobile Device Center on Vista (32bit).
Looking into the device manager I do see the Mobile Devices/HTC USB Sync driver is active but I do not see the Portable Devices/XV 6800 driver at all.
I do have the "Enable Advanced Network Functioinality" unchecked. I have uninstalled all the drivers and Mobile Sync software and rebooted everything. I even have tried the USB splitter. It seems to half recognize the phone in Vista but the other half is the Mobile Sync part. I do get an error on the phone that says "To synchronize this device, you must install ActiveSync 4.5 or newer on your desktop computer." This is sooooo frustrating as it worked one time on Vista, I think either DCD 3.0.x or maybe earlier and now it only works on XP.
What am I missing here??????

I have search everything here and on HTC and on Verizon and here is where I am stuck. Using DCD 3.2.0 (but had same problem with 3.1.6) and latest Radio Rom. It seems to connect just fine to a Windows XP activesync 4.5 computer but will not connect to the Mobile Device Center on Vista (32bit).
Looking into the device manager I do see the Mobile Devices/HTC USB Sync driver is active but I do not see the Portable Devices/XV 6800 driver at all.
I do have the "Enable Advanced Network Functioinality" unchecked. I have uninstalled all the drivers and Mobile Sync software and rebooted everything. I even have tried the USB splitter. It seems to half recognize the phone in Vista but the other half is the Mobile Sync part. I do get an error on the phone that says "To synchronize this device, you must install ActiveSync 4.5 or newer on your desktop computer." This is sooooo frustrating as it worked one time on Vista, I think either DCD 3.0.x or maybe earlier and now it only works on XP.
What am I missing here??????
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Have you tried a different usb port on the PC, or a different PC running Vista 32 bit? Mine works fine in Vista & XP.

gc14 said:
Have you tried a different usb port on the PC, or a different PC running Vista 32 bit? Mine works fine in Vista & XP.
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I have tried different USB ports and no Joy. It looks like it recognizes it as the HTC USB Sync driver shows up and it makes a noise that it found a USB device. I don't have another Vista machine but maybe a 64bit windows 2003 server would be the same. Probably not. It did work once a few DCD Roms ago but not since.

Random Disconnects
I am having a similar problem. Evern since moving to DCD 3.12, I have had a similar problem. I can manage to get connected sometimes but it will randomly disconnect.
For a while I switched to No2Chem and didnt experience the problem.

bishop0114 said:
I am having a similar problem. Evern since moving to DCD 3.12, I have had a similar problem. I can manage to get connected sometimes but it will randomly disconnect.
For a while I switched to No2Chem and didnt experience the problem.
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Can you post what devices show up when you are connected?

When I went from 3.1.4 to 3.2.0 I started having issues with Sync Center (Vista Ultimate 32-bit) as well. If I restart the PC it works fine for a while, but then suddenly you hear the USB device disconnect noise and thats all she wrote.
The device's charge LED is on, but it doesn't show up in vista anymore unless you restart the PC.
With 3.1.4 I never had this issue.

I wrote up an ActiveSync/mobile Device Manager Troubleshooting Guide in the Wiki, did you try all of those steps?

jambrose said:
I have search everything here and on HTC and on Verizon and here is where I am stuck. Using DCD 3.2.0 (but had same problem with 3.1.6) and latest Radio Rom. It seems to connect just fine to a Windows XP activesync 4.5 computer but will not connect to the Mobile Device Center on Vista (32bit).
Looking into the device manager I do see the Mobile Devices/HTC USB Sync driver is active but I do not see the Portable Devices/XV 6800 driver at all.
I do have the "Enable Advanced Network Functioinality" unchecked. I have uninstalled all the drivers and Mobile Sync software and rebooted everything. I even have tried the USB splitter. It seems to half recognize the phone in Vista but the other half is the Mobile Sync part. I do get an error on the phone that says "To synchronize this device, you must install ActiveSync 4.5 or newer on your desktop computer." This is sooooo frustrating as it worked one time on Vista, I think either DCD 3.0.x or maybe earlier and now it only works on XP.
What am I missing here??????
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Go under settings/connections/USB to PC and uncheck the Enable advanced network functionality and see if that works for you on Vista.

also make sure you check your network connections, and make sure the Remote NDIS Connection (This is your Pocket PC, Smartphone) And have the IP Configuration set to automatic, as i forgot to put it back after using it as a modem for my laptop. This also prevents active sync from working.
Just a thought, as i had a similar problem, and my fix was reverting back IP settings to Automatic. Try this if you haven't

ranmasaotome510 said:
also make sure you check your network connections, and make sure the Remote NDIS Connection (This is your Pocket PC, Smartphone) And have the IP Configuration set to automatic, as i forgot to put it back after using it as a modem for my laptop. This also prevents active sync from working.
Just a thought, as i had a similar problem, and my fix was reverting back IP settings to Automatic. Try this if you haven't
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DV8 said:
Go under settings/connections/USB to PC and uncheck the Enable advanced network functionality and see if that works for you on Vista.
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DV8, I have tried both on and off. It seems that off will act like the PPC with it on it acts like the remote NDIS network adapter like if you want to teather it.
ranmasaotome510, If I don't select the advanced network functioinality I never get the Remote NDIS Connection to change anything. All I get is the HTC USB Sync driver under the Mobile Devices and that is it. If I check the advanced network functionality I only get the Microsoft Widnows Mobile Remote Adapter driver and not the HTC USB sync driver. Either way WESCOMM doesn't find the device.
I used the view hidden devices and removed everything I could find but I never can find this driver: Portable Devices\PocketPC to uninstall it. I have also uninstalled WMDC a couple of times and have downloaded and installed the latest. This works fine on XP with out fail. I am also using office 2007 but this did work on this Vista machine with an earlier ROM.

No clue if this is related, but I found two copies of Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface in device manager. One was operational and the other was not. I removed the one with the yellow bang on it and plugged in my phone. Immediately Sync Center saw it and allowed me to create a connection with the phone.
Dumb luck? Maybe.

scorp508 said:
No clue if this is related, but I found two copies of Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface in device manager. One was operational and the other was not. I removed the one with the yellow bang on it and plugged in my phone. Immediately Sync Center saw it and allowed me to create a connection with the phone.
Dumb luck? Maybe.
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Thanks for the try, I don't have that driver installed. I had IPv6 not checked and thought maybe that was it but no joy. Any other ideas out there?

jambrose said:
Thanks for the try, I don't have that driver installed. I had IPv6 not checked and thought maybe that was it but no joy. Any other ideas out there?
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This is just a shot in the dark, but have you tried any of the wireless sync options - either bluetooth or IR? I know that they aren't quite as fast or reliable, but it may be worth a shot.
Ivan

btonetbone said:
This is just a shot in the dark, but have you tried any of the wireless sync options - either bluetooth or IR? I know that they aren't quite as fast or reliable, but it may be worth a shot.
Ivan
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Bluetooth is my next try. I am thinking about this USB bluetooth adapter, any suggestions? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3399853&CatId=909

scorp508 said:
No clue if this is related, but I found two copies of Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface in device manager. One was operational and the other was not. I removed the one with the yellow bang on it and plugged in my phone. Immediately Sync Center saw it and allowed me to create a connection with the phone.
Dumb luck? Maybe.
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Hello all together,
some days ago I have bought a new S710 Vox phone and had no luck with synchronizing it with my Vista PC. Same problem as jambrose.
Then I read the posting about Teredo Tunneling-Adapter, deleted it from my system, rebooted the PC and surprise, the connection to my Vox works fine. Thank you!
Greetings to all
Johnweb_62

Johnweb_62 said:
Hello all together,
some days ago I have bought a new S710 Vox phone and had no luck with synchronizing it with my Vista PC. Same problem as jambrose.
Then I read the posting about Teredo Tunneling-Adapter, deleted it from my system, rebooted the PC and surprise, the connection to my Vox works fine. Thank you!
Greetings to all
Johnweb_62
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So where did you find the adapter at? In the device manager under network?
Anyone?

jambrose said:
So where did you find the adapter at? In the device manager under network?
Anyone?
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Yes, I found it in the Device Manager under Network.
But, this works only few days. My PC normaly runs all around the day und so it works until yesterday when I had to reboot my system because I had installed a software update. After this reboot the S710 has the same problem again. Even the Teredo Tunneling Adapter is still not there.
I am , any other idea?
Johnweb_62

DV8 said:
Go under settings/connections/USB to PC and uncheck the Enable advanced network functionality and see if that works for you on Vista.
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Worked for me, Thanks!

HELP!
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot get this resolved to save my arse!
I have tried EVERYTHING...just spent 3 hours looking up stuff, and re-reading to try and find something.
What the problem is:
My Verizon XV6800 connects to my Vista laptop, but does not OPEN up WMDC. If I have "Advanced Function" unchecked, then my laptop finds my ppc when connected, but does not open up WMDC. On my phone, a little connection icon goes in the bottom tray. Other times, I get the "you do not have active sync 4.5 installed" error.
What I've tried:
Uninstalling/reinstalled
net localgroup add administrators etc.
I am at a loss.
I just want to sync my Mogul with my Vista Laptop, so that I can install apps and sync email! UGH!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Do you have a firewall running on your laptop? I had trouble connecting also since I have BitDefender running. I had to open up some ports to get it working. Also, prior to connecting the USB, I would exit the ActiveSync process. The connection will start a new instance of it automatically.

can't sync

I have a wing that was unlocked to be used on at&t but I can't sync it with my computer anyone know why?

indianshaft said:
I have a wing that was unlocked to be used on at&t but I can't sync it with my computer anyone know why?
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quick question do you have windows vista or xp because it is important to know and make sure you have activesync 4.5 (Xp) or mobile device center (Vista) installede as well

I have vista, and I have windows mobile device installed, my computer shows that it is connected but windows mobile device doesn't recognize it, its weird. Because it did and then just stopped.

go to my computer and see if you can pull up mobile device if u cant on the phone go to start/settings/connections/usb to pc and check the box

That didn't work, it just tried to make me connect to the internet.

withactivesync it gives ur phone an ip address so check networkk connections and see if you if your getting an ip address make sure your not getting 169.254.xxx.xxx

Try to play around with the USB to PC application, it's somewhere located at the Start - Settings - System or at Start - Settings - Connections

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Try to play around with the USB to PC application, it's somewhere located at the Start - Settings - System or at Start - Settings - Connections
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had him try it already

well u can try to reinstall active sync/ WMDC

tryed that to, I have vista so I uninstalled windows mobile or whatever it is called and then connected the phone, nothing happened. Should I hard reboot the thing? If I do that will it still be unlocked?

yes it will still be unlocked but it might be something on the computer do u have service pack 1

I do have SP1 of vista on my comp. What do you think it might be?

i think its just sp1 because there were a lot of issues with sp1 that was one of them all i can say is try to restore vista without sp1 and it should work

Windows (XP & 7 X86) does not recognize my HTC P3600 (!?)

Windows (XP & 7 X86) does not recognize my HTC P3600 (Bootloader and WM5Storage too), I do not know what's going on, after connect to pc - the battery charging (orange light), through bluetooth connect normally to ActiveSync, WMDC.
P.S. I did Hard-Reset
Thanks.

try this:
go to Start\Settings\System\USB to PC
un-check the option "Enable advanced network functionality"
hope it might help

or try to delete htc_3600 in the devices list (control panel) and sync it again

Code:
try this:
go to Start\Settings\System\USB to PC
un-check the option "Enable advanced network functionality"
Done - don't work. :/
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delete htc_3600 in the devices list (control panel) and sync it again
i haven't got any htc/ppc device in my devices list... :/

in my Vista it's "mobile devices"->"Pocket_PC"
try this:
1. go to "Windows Mobile Device Center"
2. click "Connection settings"
3. put a tick on "Allow USB connections" if it's not

It also did not help, I do not know what's going on - it can hardware? But it's charging battery... :/

Please, anyone? :/

Hi,
Did you solve this problem? My wifes Diamond connects well with Win 7 RC, but my P3600 doesn't.
Martin

Solution for sync problem on W7
MartinTrinity said:
Hi,
Did you solve this problem? My wifes Diamond connects well with Win 7 RC, but my P3600 doesn't.
Martin
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1. You must remove every partnerships with all the mobile devices.
2. Completely uninstall Windows Mobile Device Center.
3. Reboot W7.
4. Install the most recent version from Microsoft download site.
5. Reboot W7 (Not necessary but preferable).
6. Connect Mobile Device and wait for it to setup completely.
That should solve.

Thanks for the reply, I did all that and more....
The Mobile Centre did not install very well, but, just one hour after I asked you (and a boot because of a Windows update), the phone was recognized and everything synced fine.
Go figure!

Hello,
This is maybe a late response but my p3600 doesn`t sync with W7 WMDC.
Everthing is going good till the sync.The arrows are turning but nothing happens after that.
Someone a solution??
Steinie

p3600 sync problem W7
Hello,
This is maybe a late response but my p3600 doesn`t sync with W7 WMDC.
Everthing is going good till the sync.The arrows are turning but nothing happens after that.
Someone a solution??
Steinie

HD2, windows 7 64 bit & WMDC 6.1

Hi,
I am in the UK, i just bought my HTC leo (known as HD2 here), reading through the instructions i was guided to install WMDC which i did, i had not plugged in the phone at this point and one error was thrown up saying device not connected which was easily explainable, so now i connect the phone expecting WMDC to jump up, it doesnt and never has, now i am no novice to these things and i have been in this forum a few years ago with another phone so i am well versed on searching for answers to my problem before making posts, so far all i can find on the problem is people reporting not being able to sync using office, this is not my problem as i cant even get the phone to sync with WMDC, i have tried other suggestions such as ...
registry key in question:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Svchost\WindowsMobile
- Right click -> Permissions -> Advanced
- Took owner ship of the registry key
- Gave the Users group Full Control.
Then in device manager:
- Uninstalled my Microsoft Mobile Remote Adapter
- Scan hardware changes
and then it installed properly and am able to sync again
but to no avail, i have uninstalled and reinstalled with the phone connected and unconnected, my pc seems to find the device but i dont think it is reporting it right, in device & printers the phone is seen as 'generic serial', when i do a properties on this it is said to be a 'pocketPC usb sync', when i connect and disconnect it does appear in the device manager under mobile devices, also if i just leave the phone, when the screen goes blank the device disappears from the device manager, i have tried uninstalling it from device manager and also updating drivers but it keeps saying the best driver for the device are installed, i have included some pictures and i am tearing my hair out over this, i bought this phone to replace my iphone but i am not to pleased yet.
Thanks.

Have you opened wmdc and setup a partnership?

Have you tried going into Settings->Connections->USB To PC and uncheck "enable faster synchronization"?
What ROM are you on, btw, Cooked or Stock? and what version?

NitrousB said:
Have you opened wmdc and setup a partnership?
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Yes i have opened it but there is no way to set up a partnership as the phone is saying unconnected even though the pc seems to register its presence.
pongster said:
Have you tried going into Settings->Connections->USB To PC and uncheck "enable faster synchronization"?
What ROM are you on, btw, Cooked or Stock? and what version?
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yes i did the disabling of fast sync, this is on stock rom out of the box its spl-1.42.0000, my plan was to install a cooked rom but i cant even get the phone to sync so i cant even do that to see if it will remedy the situation.

You can always install a cooked ROM as long as you can get to the bootloader...
Go to the bootloader...
Flash HSPL...
Use Task29 (Hex modified RUU.exe)
Flash your Cooked ROM of choice
I'm out of possible fixes for your sync problem though... I usually just uncheck "enable faster sync" and all is fine...
try this, if you haven't... as a last resort..
Uninstall WMDC
Reboot
Install WMDC
Reboot
Connect HD2 before your PC boots (with "enable faster sync" unchecked)
worth a try

no luck...this is highly frustrating

any firewalls up and running? I'm on Win 7 x64 and WMDC 6.1 is playing fine with Outpost Firewall
Good Luck and I hope you get everything sorted out...

IS your device configured to use the active sync as it might be in internet sharing, usb mode if this is set you wont be able to sync or connect right

pongster said:
any firewalls up and running? I'm on Win 7 x64 and WMDC 6.1 is playing fine with Outpost Firewall
Good Luck and I hope you get everything sorted out...
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I have mcaffee firewall but i have disabled it
A|ex said:
IS your device configured to use the active sync as it might be in internet sharing, usb mode if this is set you wont be able to sync or connect right
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Yes it is set to use active sync and faster sync is unchecked.

Have you tried hard resetting the device and then trying to reconnect it?

Ok, done the hard reset...still saying not connected on WMDC and phone is registering in device manager
Is the phone showing up correctly in device manager, should it be 'pocketPC USB sync' ?

loady said:
Ok, done the hard reset...still saying not connected on WMDC and phone is registering in device manager
Is the phone showing up correctly in device manager, should it be 'pocketPC USB sync' ?
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Try to disable your antivirus. I use Kaspersky and I have same problem if I don't disable antivirus.

Disabled antivirus and firewall...strange thing is..if i uninstall it from device manager, when i reinstall it with fast sync enabled on phone it installs as mobile remote adaptor or something like that, if i reinstall with fast sync disabled it installs as pocketpc usb sync

What I did with my HD2 and W7 64-bit was just turn it on and plug it in! Windows downloaded, installed and configured WMDC automatically so I didn't have to do a thing!

EddyOS said:
What I did with my HD2 and W7 64-bit was just turn it on and plug it in! Windows downloaded, installed and configured WMDC automatically so I didn't have to do a thing!
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Thanks for that...nothing like having salt rubbed in to the wounds lol... thats exactly what i did but not so lucky...anyhow...i just uninstalled the thing again for numpteenth time and scanned for hardware changes and went out the room...when i come back in it was alive...dont know what i did that was different though, i will renable my AV and firewall and see if it was that.
Thanks to everyone for your help

Didn't mean to sound so smart-arse-ish - I just always plug things into W7 and only if they can't get something working do I go driver hunting!

No i know you wasnt, i wasnt offended at all...its so nice to be able to just plug things in though, with windows 7 its been a breeze and this is the first time i have had trouble, hopefully thats the end of that problem and i can get going with some cooked roms....anything you can recommend ? seem to be so many, whats the most popular ?

Personally, take a look at the one in my sig - new version of it is out later this evening and its a great ROM. Gets rid of all the crapware no one ever uses...
Other than that, take a look at Duttys or Miri's ROMs - but the newest version are only on HTCPedia

Well...that lasted all of 3 minutes !....now its not connecting again...no logic what so ever

Right...seems it may have been the USB port, i was initially trying 2 ports, one was a front panel usb port which is connected via a pin header on the mobo, the second one was an extension lead to the back mobo mounted usb port which is usb3...so as a last straw i thought i would try the usb hub i have connected to the other onboard usb port which is usb 2..the hub is powered so i am left wondering if that was the issue.

HELP - cannot sync to windows 7 starter

Ive bought a netbook running windows 7 starter, now my hd2 wont connect with windows mobile device center.
I originally set up the pc synch(activesync) with an xp laptop and now it wont connect with the windows 7 netbook.
The phone is telling me to install activesync , but i cant because i have to install the newer windows mobile device center WTF
Ive deleted the old connections on activesync on my phone.
Is there something new to download to my hd2?
Any advice?
Thanks

windows mobile device centre does the same as activesync. it is the new name for activesync used on win 7.
i use the starter edition also on my netbook and cannot get mobile devicecentre installed for some weird reason. probably a problem on my netbook
started using ms myphone for the things i used mobiledevice centre for.

There must be way to connect the phone to a Windows 7 starter netbook.
I plan on doing a hard reset and want to preserve all my bookmarks, and also want to flash a ROM , I'm sure ill need to sync my phone to a computer for that?
The phone keeps telling me to install activesync on my pc even though I have to use wmdc.
When I reinstall wmdc on the netbook I keep getting an error and it won't install properly.
It says device manager not installed, or something like that .
It's a bloody mystery!

for flashing a rom you do not need activesync or mobile device centre. I flash my phone from my laptop without. just put the phone in bootloader and you can flash a rom as normal using the custom ruu. alternatively you can flash from memory card.
think ms myphone can backup that also but you have to check to make sure.

on my sig there is a flashing guide, in it there is a download for win 7 windows mobile device center run it and you should be good to go

this has been discussed so often, if you had taken the time to search there would be no need for that thread!
It so easy, just use windows update to download the driver and windows mobile center and that's it. If it doesn't work you are doing it wrong because it works for everybody else that way!

pabloh999 said:
Ive bought a netbook running windows 7 starter, now my hd2 wont connect with windows mobile device center.
I originally set up the pc synch(activesync) with an xp laptop and now it wont connect with the windows 7 netbook.
The phone is telling me to install activesync , but i cant because i have to install the newer windows mobile device center WTF
Ive deleted the old connections on activesync on my phone.
Is there something new to download to my hd2?
Any advice?
Thanks
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Leave ytour phone, as the problem appears to be with the netbook. make sure your netbook is not connected to the internet, then disable all the security and see if WMDC recognises your phone.

Thanks for the respones, ill try those tips when I get a chance later in the day.
Apologies for starting a new thread if its been discussed many times before.

Right, i think ive tried everything.
Hard reset my hd2
Uninstalled wmdc
Did every windows update available
re-installed wmdc with webroot antivirus turned off and internet access turned off.
And it still wont recognise the hd2
When its installing the driver on my netbook for the hd2 it keeps getting an error - it says "unidentified device : device unplugged" even though it is plugged in and screen is on.
The phone will connect to my netbook for the disk drive option and the internet sharing option, so i dont think its a problem with the hd2 usb connection
Its a real mystery, anyone out there able to crack this one?

have you tried this?
settings, menu, all settings, connections, USB to PC, uncheck "enable faster data sync", click done.
when I did that, my HD2 finally connected to PC after DAYS of trying!

Yep! I sure have
The computer is just is not seeing my phone with the the activesync option, but it is seeing the phone with both the disk drive and internet sharing options.
When i try un-install wmdc some errors keep popping up, i have to manually go into the task manager and kill 2 .exe active files otherwise it wont uninstall, very strange indeed
Maybe it could be a usb port issue, but i have tried all 3 usb ports on my netbook.

Hi pabloh999,
I potentially have a fix for you. I experienced the same errors as you tried all you have and eventually found a fix - by accident!
Set to airplane mode on & then off. After this my connections & syncs were fine.
Let us know how you go.
pabloh999 said:
Yep! I sure have
The computer is just is not seeing my phone with the the activesync option, but it is seeing the phone with both the disk drive and internet sharing options.
When i try un-install wmdc some errors keep popping up, i have to manually go into the task manager and kill 2 .exe active files otherwise it wont uninstall, very strange indeed
Maybe it could be a usb port issue, but i have tried all 3 usb ports on my netbook.
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Tried that and - nothing!
Its just not recognising my phone, its saying "device unplugged"
I even turned off the charging function when plugged into a pc, just in case that was draining too much juice from the usb port.
No problem solvers out there??

I am thinking now it could be a problem with the usb ports on my netbook.
On one of my million attempts i got a windows error message saying that i should use a high speed usb port, and it gave me a list of "high speed" usb ports on my computer.
I dont know how to use this information because it doesnt physically show which of my 3 usb ports is the "high speed one(s)"
I thought the three of them are the same?
I tried updating the usb drivers to no avail
Fu**ing pissin me off!

Sync with Win 7
Same problem here, Tried everything on the web and on XDA and still cant sync.
Is this a Microsoft Problem, Oh by the way dont agree with d3l1
Ican still sync with my old XP laptop, but my new Win 7 is crap... (Both are Asus machines)
Any pointers would be welome. Ta.