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Re:TyTN possibly knocked off its Throne!

A Device to Surpass the 8525?
Will there be one soon? within the next 2 or 3 months or so? I know when I got my 8125 the 8525 came like in 5 months or so after. I just sold my 8125 and I am currently using a Motorola RaZR for backup. B4 I go purchase the 8525, i want to know is there a sequel coming any time soon so I can save my money and wait? And Do people really think dishing out the cash they did to upgrade was a good choice? Thx alot for the responses and sorry if this was a repeat I didn't see anything of it yet.

I feel understand your hesitation.
I got myself the i-Mate K-JAM (HTC Wizard) late last year after a bit over a year with the i-Mate JAM. I thought I'd be using that new phone for at least year.
And then the HTC Hermes was released. I couldn't justify spending more money after recently upgrading my phone. But thankfully, my telco offered a deal I couldn't refuse for the Dopod 838 Pro, so I happily took it up.
Hopefully, there won't be any new releases that warrant a change!
But more than simply the release of new handsets, I wish HTC would stop changing the type of memory card that their phones accept. From SD to mini-SD, and no the micro-SD! It's a hassle having to go out and buy a new card AGAIN each time you get a new phone! hehe

I remember when i got my first phone and I'm not even sure how i even came to even own a PPC it all started with a T-Mobile MDA-II,SPV C500,SPV M500,T-Mobile MDA Pro and now T-Mobile MDA Vario II i could not even wait for the 8525 to come out so i got a MDA V II and most of the phones that came out were not even available here i always thrown the money for a new phone that came out never felt it was a waste just go for it

I remember reading during the summer that they were going to release after the Hermes a 128mb of ram Pocket PC.

thx all for the responses, i know the memory card is annoying but the companies making the memory cards are prolly paying HTC money for more sales on their new products by switching out the memory cards. I hate it wen companies do that kinda stuff.

most probably the "next" hermes will be the HTC Herald, have a look at the specs:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Herald

My vote is the Cavalier would be the next killer phone before the Herald.
Check out my comparison of the Hermes vs Excalibur
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287684

pof said:
most probably the "next" hermes will be the HTC Herald, have a look at the specs:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Herald
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I think the herald is a follow up to the wizard. I am just basing that off of the cpu and the improved hardware buttons.
Later, Lew

The i-mate SP JAM Communicator looks like it could definitely trump the Hermes:
(it's the second phone discussed in this article)
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/06/i-mate_roadmap/
Built-in GPS and A2DP, 256 MB flash, TV-out, and possibly a 532 MHz processor.
Sounds like we may see it soon, too (Feb 07).

Re:TyTN possibly knocked off its Throne!
Is it just me and a couple of other people, or does the spec of the upcoming Athena not sound closer to what we wanted out of the TyTN, bar size of course. I'm still in limbo presently, but if the 'updated specs' are true, I'm getting pretty exited about it.
Check the news thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286884
And no, it is not the next HTC Universal, more like the first HTC PPC/UMPC or UMPPC.lol

good lord, how do you talk with that thing?! It'd be like holding a ghetto boombox up to your head.

specs are cool.. but i would have to stick to my hermes.. that thing looks like to much of a hassle... that device would make it totally impossible to text and drive.. i mean, not that i would do that, that would be unsafe

The specs sound fine but..but...but... I use a seven inch mini computer with full specs and 2.4 Ghz processor / CD/DVD RW etc etc and runs Windows XP/Vista. This mini computer, with all that, is only marginally bigger than the Athena!! Obviously Id rather have my mini computer cos it's got everything.
For travelling, casual use, fun and lets be honest the challenge and size I would have the Hermes not Athena.
So for me its
1. Full size 20 inch PC
2. Mini (but full spec) PC for travelling but still good 7 inch screen
3. TyTn Hermes small enough to be a phone but lots of other things besides - cos let's face it phones by themselves are just boring!
Mike

Re: WM5 UMPPC? Or Dual Boot Technology?
mikechannon said:
The specs sound fine but..but...but... I use a seven inch mini computer with full specs and 2.4 Ghz processor / CD/DVD RW etc etc and runs Windows XP/Vista. This mini computer, with all that, is only marginally bigger than the Athena!! Obviously Id rather have my mini computer cos it's got everything.
For travelling, casual use, fun and lets be honest the challenge and size I would have the Hermes not Athena.
So for me its
1. Full size 20 inch PC
2. Mini (but full spec) PC for travelling but still good 7 inch screen
3. TyTn Hermes small enough to be a phone but lots of other things besides - cos let's face it phones by themselves are just boring!
Mike
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Can't argue with you there Mike.
mackaby007 said:
I can't lie. I'm thoroughly confused as to which is the most ideal portable solution for my needs. One thing is for sure....I want only one device to carry around and it must pretty much do all things. I love the power and 'real configurabilty' of a WinXP/Vista UMPC, not to mention the 'real' and 'actual' 'processing capabilities' i.e. I can still video edit, download (at proper speeds) and actually get the true browsing experience as was intended by whichever website I venture to, not to mention play the occasional PC game in glorious DirectX 3D with high resolution and no need to encode video files to a suitable codec and resolution.
However, Coreplayer is improving in leaps and bounds and can already play my Ripped DVD's in native format, albeit the 400Mhz CPU struggles a little, so theoretically speaking, with a 624Mhz CPU (or more if overclocked), videoplayback shouldn't be an issue in the Athena. Games is really neither here nor there to me, as I rarely play them (I just like to have the choice), but there are some great titles already on WM5 and they are sure to improve as PPC CPUs' improve in power and performance.
Pocket IE and other mobile browser variants are acceptable for now, but still seriously lacking compared to their XP counterparts, but still doable, providing screen real estate is improved via a bigger screen in VGA mode (covered in the Athena).
Storage doesn't seem to be an issue with the Athena as it supposedly will ship with at least 8GB of HDD (battery drain problems), but this can be overcome with the larger iminently released 8GB+ SD Cards etc which can be used for Program installations and the in-built harddrive for storage capacity.
Then you can't ignore the communication advantages of mobile broadband/HSDPA, 3G Video conferencing and GSM, not to mention in-built GPS!! Damn....I think the confusion is lifting...I'm starting to sway towards the Athena or such like devices.
Then there's the Graphics accelerator. If they can get that ATI chip to be a little more versatile and possibly stick their top end mobile accelerator in the Athena, we'd be a lot closer to the UMPC format, which I prefer but without the bulk.
To be able to hook up an external hard drive via USB for 'true mass storage' would be a deal clencher for me. But every one has their own needs and desires in the devices they choose to buy, but for me, the Athena is getting pretty damn close if the specs thus far are genuine.
See here:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/21/htc-athena-x7500-a-umtshsdpa-quad-band-UMPC/
and here:
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/htc-athena-en.shtml
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So as you can see, there are reasons to go for the all in one solution, but as we all know, it comes down to personal preferances, however, it looks like some other interesting developments are on the horizon that incorporate both WM5 and Full XP/Vista software and PC hardware. Sort of Dual boot options, but no specs as yet.
See here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?t=4179

That thing looks huge... I keep my Hermes in my front pocket - I doubt I could do that with that phone!

hrmmm,,,,
maybe notebook manufacturers will need to develop a bag/case with a shoulder strap for this upcoming device.
I think too much convergance in technology can be a bad thing. it is better to have a device specific to your needs and does the job transparently (as in my case) than an all in one device that is "clumsy" and you spend most of your time on debugging the technology, not using the technology to become more efficient in your work.
my 3 cents....
My devices (what is in my office at the same time):
* Work PC desktop with 20" LCD (no screen alignment issue there...lol) - used for word processing and email/browsing.
* Sun Microsystems Ultra workstation running Solaris - namely used for integrated circuit design and intensive simulations of complex telecommunications scenarios
* Rohde and Schwarz - Vector Signal Generator (gsm/umts test vector generation for ASIC hardware testing)
* R&S - spectrum analyzer
* R&S - baseband signal analyzer
* Asus S6F 11.1" notebook - mainly used at home and when travelling (camel leather casing, sweet)
* Imate JASJAM - used 40% of the time for email when out of the office and liasing with industry, and 40% for voice, 20% mucking around
*lava lamp (so retro i know)
It will be nice to have all of the above in one nice device, i just need someone to carry it around for me....lol

Did I mention my Wimshurst Machine (so 19th Century) but great for that moment when the battery goes flat.
Oh and my new project is to find a way to greatly extend battery life so the old Wimshurst Machine becomes obsolete on my travels. As you will see below I can manage to charge myself up ok, just can't quite mange a slow voltage controlled release into Hermes tends to disappear in a blue flash when I shake hands with anyone (perhaps a large capacitor is the answer.) (Courtesy of Hermes vs Van De Graaff productions 2006)
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mikechannon said:
Did I mention my Wimshurst Machine (so 19th Century) but great for that moment when the battery goes flat.
Oh and my new project is to find a way to greatly extend battery life so the old Wimshurst Machine becomes obsolete on my travels. As you will see below I can manage to charge myself up ok, just can't quite mange a slow voltage controlled release into Hermes tends to disappear in a blue flash when I shake hands with anyone (perhaps a large capacitor is the answer.) (Courtesy of Hermes vs Van De Graaff productions 2006)
Mike
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nice vandegraff mike,
the problem is, it creates thousands of volts, but merely any amperes. it would take for ever to charge the 1350mah battery.
You should maybe try a jacobs ladder. we just finished building one. you cab place the hermes in between the spark of the two electrodes.
the hermes will receive one hell of a 'shocking' charge.

Listen after 3 hours on the Van De Graaff you don't really care about anything anymore!!
And.... so... er......you don't think it'll work then??
Mike

ok mike,
this is what you need to do.
fly to melbourne and visit science works (http://scienceworks.museum.vic.gov.au/about_us/lightroom.asp)
our university has a high voltage theatre there
ask the exhibition operator to place your hermes in the path of the lightning strike (2 million volts).
If it survives, then you have atleast 3 years usage without recharge.

Recomended replacement of HTC Universal

Hi,
My Qtek 9000 is definitly starting to show its age, and although I have an iphone for normal phone calls etc. I find myself needing another mobile which is as functional as the Universal, ie. a machine which is a PDA and a mobile. (the iphone is more an ipod with a mobile)
Now I was thinking of the Kaiser, but I find 3 things which in fact put me off. Processor on the Kaiser is slower then my Universal. Graphic resolution is still QVGA and it seems that over and above that it suffers with slow graphic performance due to missing gfx drivers.
So finally, is there any worthy substitute for my fantastic Universal?
Please advise.

valeru said:
Hi,
My Qtek 9000 is definitly starting to show its age, and although I have an iphone for normal phone calls etc. I find myself needing another mobile which is as functional as the Universal, ie. a machine which is a PDA and a mobile. (the iphone is more an ipod with a mobile)
Now I was thinking of the Kaiser, but I find 3 things which in fact put me off. Processor on the Kaiser is slower then my Universal. Graphic resolution is still QVGA and it seems that over and above that it suffers with slow graphic performance due to missing gfx drivers.
So finally, is there any worthy substitute for my fantastic Universal?
Please advise.
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Hi,
If you don't want to use your new pda as a mobile phone, you can check the new HP iPAQ 214.
It is fast, it has a brilliant 4" large screen...but no QWERTY. But I think, only this PDA has from the newer ones VGA screen.
Here is a list, from the PDAs that have VGA screen:
# Acer n300
# Acer n310
# Acer n311
# Asus MyPal A730
# Asus MyPal A730w
# Casio IT-10 M20
# Casio IT-10 M20 BR
# Dell Axim X50v
# Dell Axim X51v
# E-TEN Glofiish X800
# Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket LOOX 718
# Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket LOOX 720
# Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket LOOX N560
# Hewlett-Packard iPAQ hx4700
# HTC Universal
# MDA PRO
# Medion MDPEA 1000
# Qtek 9000
# Sharp W-ZERO3
# Sharp WS004SH
# Sharp WS007SH
# Toshiba e800 BT
# Toshiba e800 WiFi
I hope, that helps you.
DOMy

I've been looking around alot. Other than the W-ZERO 3, which didn't get the best reviews (it's beautiful, though), I don't believe there is anything to replace the Universal. There were a couple of claims (HTC and Omni) that they would come out with something, but nothing yet, nor really soon.
You can get one of the following:
- 3.5" - 4" screen
- OR -
- Keyboard (a bit smaller than the Univ.)
All the units with keyboards are phones as well, and have 2.8" (or less) screens.
The new Sony will have a 3" screen, but it is just a stretched 2.8" screen in "wide" mode.
I'm over 45, size does matter. That's why I finally just bought a Universal.
- OR -
eBay - there are still new units available - $375-$450
- Girt

I bought a Kaiser as a Universal replacement last year, and the benefits make up for the deficits.
Kaiser advantages
128 MB RAM
256 MB ROM (both these are very nice, and makes for a more stable device. Forget about worrying about how many apps are running anymore)
Built-in GPS (works pretty well)
HSDPA (much faster than UMTS, fast enough to stream video)
bluetooth 2 with EDR (This means when you tether with the Kaiser you are not limited by the slow data rate of bluetooth 1.2)
smaller size, more pocketable, more socially acceptable
The disadvantages is the poorer keyboard and smaller, QVGA screen. The keyboard is not too bad however, and I get a pretty good rate of typing on it.
I think the Kaiser's biggest deficit is the QVGA screen, not for regular use or even PIE usage, but due to the better browsers coming out now, such as Opera Mobile 9.5. This means a Kaiser is going to age pretty fast in the next few months, when VGA or better screens will be all over the place.
In short, the Kaiser measures up very well to the Universal, but is not worth a 12 month contract at the moment.
The SE Xperia is where it will be at in 6-9 months. Its a long time to wait, but its the only real replacement on the horizon.
Surur

domi007 said:
Hi,
If you don't want to use your new pda as a mobile phone, you can check the new HP iPAQ 214.
It is fast, it has a brilliant 4" large screen...but no QWERTY. But I think, only this PDA has from the newer ones VGA screen.
Here is a list, from the PDAs that have VGA screen:
I hope, that helps you.
DOMy
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The list isn't worth diddly squat if you can't make a phone call on it.
Psi

I dream of this phone.. http://aving.net/usa/news/default.asp?mode=read&c_num=77749&C_Code=01&SP_Num=0
But it's an IP phone.. And i live in Italy.. So.. I can't buy such a wonder!

DJ Palmis said:
I dream of this phone.. http://aving.net/usa/news/default.asp?mode=read&c_num=77749&C_Code=01&SP_Num=0
But it's an IP phone.. And i live in Italy.. So.. I can't buy such a wonder!
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wile this seems to be a nice phone, i think typing with your thumb's is going to be hard on a sunken keyboard. size wise id say as were used to the uni it's not a problem. it dose have usb host(witch is nice). slightly slower processer but seam every bit as funcuanal.
if i had to rate it based on the pick's alone id give it a maybe.

killianv2 said:
if i had to rate it based on the pick's alone id give it a maybe.
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Yes, i agree.
But i appreciate the effort to INNOVATE the market!
In the last year i see a lot of PDA, mobile.. That are.. SO tedious!
And BTW it's not a simple PDA.. It's a strange ibrid.
But i need a 3G phone... 'cos i need internet on the go.

I'd say wait for the Sony Ericsson Xperia 1. That thing is like an orgasm in a box for us PDA Mobile addicts. It looks like the most worthy WiMo PDA Phone to come around, assuming Ericsson can get its act together. But it's droolworthy from the pics and the specs. It's got a QWERTY keyboard and an 800x480 widescreen, running WiMo6.
What more can you ask for?!

Mochan said:
What more can you ask for?!
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For example: A clamshell PDA!
I don't want to scratch the screen wile it's in my pocket..
I really can't understand people who buy PDA in the classic shape..
And anyway: i don't like Sony's mobile.. They have always a features that i miss.. To make you buy another phone a the next release.
I had a P900...

I don't really see any REPLACEMENT for Universal jet. I bought the kaiser but after 1 week I give it to my wife. I really miss devices that has min 3.5" screen.
Anyhow you may have look also for upcoming ASUS M930 and Toshiba G920.
My opinion the asus M930 could have been the perfect device(form factor) if it had larger inner screen.

Toshiba Portégé G910? More RAM, GPS, WVGA display? It should be out by this time... (announced in december 2007 or such..)

I cannot wait until Xperia is coming out - i think it won't be out until 2009 (announced it should be out at Q4 2008 but EVERY phone is coming out AFTER the time it's announced...

I'm still waiting for the Omni:
http://htc-omni.blogspot.com/
Too bad it won't be coming at all.

same boat, here...
Toshiba 910-920 seem the best universal alternatives, but I think their screen cannot be rotated...
....and the speed is what worries me the most, the g900 sucked big time...
Oh....I agree Asus has missed a great chance with the m930, inside screen is ridicolous to say at least.
With a 3.5 800x480 screen many and many people would have bought an M930 in a heartbeat....what a bad joke, Asus!

I REALLY LIKE ASUS M930!
It's a shame that runs WinMo6 standard edition.. No touch screen
With a better screen it would be WONDERFUL!
that's a shame!

ARRRRGGGHHHH........
If only this would be a wm6.1 device.......argh.....some sites report it's wm6, but IMHO it's just a mistake.....anyway, 854x480 3.5" screen, 1.6" ext screen, bt, wifi (unconfirmed), tv on the move, gps, qwerty, micro sdhc, hsdpa.....
Unfortunately there is no word on pricing or availability in europe or america, and gsm hsdpa bands details....
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Sweet and Sexy, if you ask me!
Commercial video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsRjLdM9y7A
Unboxing....geek porn (and pink it's horrible, btw):
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-15750-Softbank+922SH+Unpacking.html
Official Sharp Website:
http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/sb922sh/
First pda that it's not yet on pdadb.net!?!??!? Must write them!!

dianotea said:
ARRRRGGGHHHH........
If only this would be a wm6.1 device.......argh.....some sites report it's wm6, but IMHO it's just a mistake.....
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!
That's amazing!!!!

Sharp Softbank 922SH
.....that's the name of the beauty!
Video comparison with tilt, wzero and a dozen other phones.....wow...that's a huge screen, second only to the em-one 4.1"....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epNL3-GdtIU&feature=related
Wait.......that's vito smartnavigator on the 922sh.....or am I wrong!?!??!?!!? So....is it a WM device or not?!?!?!
A video of the user interface.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36348Q-2bQ4
Any japan forumer could visit the sharp website and explain if this is a Windows Mobile device (which version?) and the GSM UMTS HSDPA bands used?
If this is WM and can use some europe 2100 HSDPA than my universal will be for sale very soon!!!

I've been also looking for Universal (SPV M5000) replacement, but I couldn't find anything interesing. I'm sick of waiting for Omni, 'cause it's propably waste of time. After few months of searching I'm focused on two devices: Kaiser and E90, but...I really don't want to go for QVGA screen again (previously I've owned TyTn /M3100/) so for 90% i'll go for Nokia.
It's very sad that there's no Universal II, 'cause I would paid (almos) any money for this.

Possible Universal succesor. What you think?

Hi all Universal owners
I think that a lot of us have in mind to upgrade device as me.... but then it comes the question? What could be a real Uni succesor?
We saw on the past the ultimate 7150, HTC Omni but they just vanished...
So what we have today?
I consider good idea to link this thread because I believe that this can become true:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437646
What you think guys?
Cheers,

good question, I'm also waiting for successor...
This first in yours images is i-mate, so it's not real successor.
The second image - this PDA picture is very old, and I think the project is abandoned.
Touch HD Pro (users code name) - it could be, but I prefer uni "classic" casing - like laptop. Hardware is promising.
I don't recognize the last phone.
I heard also about "Touch XD". As I've heard it is going to have better hardware than Touch HD. Here you have link: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1292
best!

something like this would be nice.
5 rows keyboard
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with tilt too

d2ey said:
something like this would be nice.
5 rows keyboard
with tilt too
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this one looks more like a Kaiser than Uni successor.

It's a win vista machine, how could you compare?

And this one?:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1566
Not swivel but at least is something
What you think?

Nokia N97
Check it out:
From Nokia World in Barcelona
Features (well it's symbian):
- quad-band GSM.
- 3.5" 360X640 widescreen TFT display.
- Full Keyboard, tilt style.
- 32GB flash installed Rom.
- microSDHC slot.
- 5MP, Zeiss lens, AF+Flash Camera.
- Front VGA camera.
- GPS with AGPS.
- Wifi B/G + BT 2.0.
- Stereo speakers + 3.5mm. Headphone jack.
- Talk time: 400 min., wait time: 430 hr., 1500 mah battery.
- Size: 15.9x55.3x117.2 mm., 150 gr.
I think it looks good, and has all the features (at least on paper ).

leffetripel said:
Check it out:
From Nokia World in Barcelona
Features (well it's symbian):
- quad-band GSM.
- 3.5" 360X640 widescreen TFT display.
- Full Keyboard, tilt style.
- 32GB flash installed Rom.
- microSDHC slot.
- 5MP, Zeiss lens, AF+Flash Camera.
- Front VGA camera.
- GPS with AGPS.
- Wifi B/G + BT 2.0.
- Stereo speakers + 3.5mm. Headphone jack.
- Talk time: 400 min., wait time: 430 hr., 1500 mah battery.
- Size: 15.9x55.3x117.2 mm., 150 gr.
I think it looks good, and has all the features (at least on paper ).
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Nice but....
Well you mentioned, no WM and no HTC build, so....

Here it is!!!!
What you think guys?

CompuLab introduces exeda
Not the right form factor, but has it all and some
This company is a player in the embedded systems market for 9 years. They decided to rebrand one of their products for consumer use. It has everything connectivity wise. and it looks vintage - like an old handheld console game. BTW 3000 mah battery on the house and a dual boot winmo and android.
From their website:
exeda is designed to serve as an enterprise digital assistant (EDA). Comprised of embedded components, the exeda has guaranteed long-term availability and can be custom configured when ordered in volume.
Software developers will appreciate exeda's special development platform. exeda offers to developers -
* Open source u-boot bootloader
* Detailed hardware and software documentation
* Full BSP's
* 10/100Base-T Ethernet port
* JTAG interface
* RS-232
* Unlocked SIM
Usability
exeda incorporates a 3.5" VGA sun-readable display with a touch screen, five row, full QWERTY keypad with backlight and a unique capacitive touchpad acting as a mouse. This makes exeda ideal for reading, browsing and data entry.
Connectivity
* A choice of wireless voice/data modem – quad band GSM/GPRS, CDMA or 3G UMTS
* 802.11g WLAN
* Bluetooth V2.0 + EDR
* 2 USB ports
* RS-232 port
CompuLab provides an extension with -
* 100Base-T Ethernet through RJ45 connector
* SDIO socket
* JTAG header
Other connectivity devices for exeda will be provided by 3rd parties.
Other features
* Marvell PXA270 520MB CPU
* 128MB RAM
* 2 banks of internal FLASH, 512MB each
* 2MP camera with flash
* GPS with built-in and external antennas
* MicroSD socket with SDHC support
* Built-in microphone and speaker + 3.5mm stereo jack
* High capacity 3000mAh battery
Extension
exeda functionality can be extended with an extension board inside the device. Extension boards may be designed by a 3rd party.
CompuLab will publish the electrical and mechanical interface and provides a reference extension board with full schematics.
Operating Systems
exeda supports Windows Mobile 6.1, Android, Windows CE 6 and Angstrom Linux.
Other operating systems may be supported in the future.
Dimensions
4.9” x 3.7” x 0.6” (126 mm x 96 mm x 16 mm)
Availability
exeda will be available for purchase in March '09. Pricing will be published upon availability. CompuLab is demonstrating the exeda at the CES trade-show in Las Vegas - 8-11 January '09 in booth North 403.

Design is so ugly...
And is not HTC...
I´ll wait for the HTC Rhodium!!
Cheers,

Dude, that looks sweet! Not really the same formfactor, but its got oodles and oodles of connections. That's pretty much a pocketable computer that you dock and hook up a kybd and mouse to.

orb3000 said:
Design is so ugly...
And is not HTC...
I´ll wait for the HTC Rhodium!!
Cheers,
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It is so ugly... that it has a beauty of its own.
it is not HTC, but it has an open source bootloader and a open spec + development documents, multi OS support. though not my field, this device seems to be a developer heaven.
I like it for a couple of reasons, it has all the features i like and it is designed by an Israeli company based in the Technion IIT. which I'm proud to be a student of, for 7 years now .

Shame is not HTC device, so it won´t fit on this site
Anyway it has good specs. And good to know is designed by someone from your country!
Cheers,

Succesor?
Guys,
What you think of this Tosh k01
Could be a succesor?

what about: HTC Touch Pro
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/touchpro/overview.html

I'm thinking the touch pro 2 might be a successor, since it has a ginourmous screen, and a spacious 5 line keyboard

Simon_WM said:
what about: HTC Touch Pro
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/touchpro/overview.html
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Never in a million years!!
AllanonMage said:
I'm thinking the touch pro 2 might be a successor, since it has a ginourmous screen, and a spacious 5 line keyboard
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I tought the same and went for a Rhodium
I must say I´m impressse dand quite happy with it, but still missing the big Uni keyboard and the pivoting screen...
Other than that it´s ok
but I wouldn´t call a real succesor...

Possible Universal Succesor
Hey Guys,
Let me know what you think? This Toshiba K02 could replace our Universal. Here is the link http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1856&c=toshiba_dynapocket_k02
http://pdadb.net/imageview.php?file=toshiba_k02_2.jpg
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/691/
orb3000 said:
Guys,
What you think of this Tosh k01
Could be a successor?
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I prefer K01 as it has a real keyboard so more as a Universal succesor)
K02 is too big...

Bought HTC Max4G three weeks ago

Hello, everybody. Since there's no forum for this 4G new phone - a twin of Blackstone , I hope you don't mind me joining you...
I just posted some photos here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=457037
But my knowledge in WinMo is very limited-- I was a UIQ guy.
I really appreciate it if anyone can help me with my question here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461910
Thank you very much!

Your questions isn't specific toHTC Touch HD (4G) at all, its just a general windows mobile issue. So you shouldn't ask in this forum, and creating two threads for the same topic isn't fine as well.
But I think you questions get answered in the other thread.

Thank you, johnpatcher. That was just my first post. I do have more questions (as a new user of WinMo) to post later. After all, writing in English takes much time for me.
On the other hand, I'm not sure if any one can answer my questions specific to Max4G, since it is not for sale outside Russia, yet.
But it'll be interesting to compare it with HD, won't it?
p.s. I posted some questions on a Russian forum, however, I didn't find such good forum there compared to xda-developers.

HTC Max4G vs HTC HD
some simple comparison by a WinMo newbie:
Advantages of Max4G over HD
1. supports 4G WiMax
2. 1500mAh battery (HD: 1350)
3. built in 8GB memory (HD: 512MB ROM)
4. supports TV-Out (HD: none)
5. (disputable) looks better
Disadvantages of Max4G to HD
1. no 3.5mm audio jack
2. doesn't support 3G (no HSDPA/WCDMA）
3. minimum accessories in the kit, no soft case, microSD
4. costs 1050 USD in Moscow (sorry I wrote an incorrect price in another post)
--- however, this price is regarded low in Moscow provided the price for Touch Pro is 1300 USD there.
5. sports 3.2 megapixel camera (HD: 5.0 megapixel)
--- but this is an advantage for me, since I think 2.0 mega is enough for such small lense. Extra pixels don't improve the quality of photos at all; mostly they just waste more memory.
Equals
1. no flash for camera
2. gorgeous 3.8" display
3. expansion slot microSD
4. no GPS software
5. both support GPRS, EDGE, WiFi
6. equivalent CPU (I guess?)
I always heard that WinMo has great choices of software applications, but so far I cannot find the text input/keyboard for Chinese and Japanese languages.
The only program I heard is CE-Star, which is said to be perfect for X1. But I downloaded the trial version from the official website, and it caused serious crash on my Max4G Could it be due to the Russian interface on Max...??
Any help is greatly appreciated.

The file downloaded from the following link works fine for Traditional Chinese input on my wife's diamond:
http://www.studiokuma.com/wm/?section=support
Without her I can't tell you which one is the one she uses, buty I am sure it will make more sense to you then me.

Thank you so much for sharing the Studio Kuma.
I was in ecstasy to know that website, until.....
until I find the sentence at the system requirement: "This software doesn't work with phones after HTC Touch"
But thanks anyway!

sproxy said:
input on my wife's diamond:
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The diamond actually was published after the Touch, wasn't it ? So maybe just give it a try.

Perhaps being unable to read Chinese meant being brave enough to install it on diamond and pressing ok wherever I saw it. All I can say is it has very good integration on Diamond. It works fine on sms, email and messenger so far I had no complaint from her. I am not sure if the resolution difference would be an issue. It works perfect on my case. Also, never tested on official rom as well but i guess should be ok.

WiMax in Russia
Right now the 4G WiMax network is only functioning in two Russian cities: Saint Petersburg & Moscow. Last time when I was there, the 4G coverage was not satisfactory. I guess that is why Yota is free of charge so far, and it'll begin to charge around 50USD/month - unlimited access - after 31 March 2009 when the company Scartel promises to complete most of the construction.
(Don't you think 50USD is too expensive only for 4G service? The Moscow MTS GSM charges me about 70USD/month; that's 120USD totally. )
With that unlimited 4G access, Scartel says you can listen to tons of free music and watch tens of TV channels -- almost useless for me personally.
After booting up a new Max4G device, you have to download the Yota Center program in order to start up its service. But you need at first to find WiFi or spend a whole hour on downloading it via GPRS. Why couldn't they just save the program in the Max4G CDROM?
I was located in Moscow downtown. The 4G signal was very weak. The signal (RSSI) was around -90dB and the quality (CINR) was 9dB averagely.
However, it dropped to zero if you walk away from the window. That is, it was only usable on the road -- but I did not want to use a phone on a December Moscow street at all! ...So I gave up and switched to WiFi.
Some Russian guy told me he enjoys the high speed music channel when driving. It's also said the Yota network works better in Saint Petersburg.
My preliminary conclusion is, so far it's pain to use WiMax. Let's wait until January 2009 and I'll share my experience again.

You are right. If it works fine on a Diamond, there's a chance it works on Max4G, too.
I'll install the Spb Backup before trying the StudioKuma, in case it fails.

Hi again,
Out of curiosity, tested on my HD and here are the screenshots. I have no clue about what I might have input though.
Hope it helps.

You're lucky. It's very goos phone but need time to explore it. iPhone (T-Mobile G1) was same story, but after many hours hard work, cracking, experiments it's now perfect. HTC Max 4G is specially made for Yota, and truly hard locked to it. Need some jailbreak , custom WWE ROM, Hard SPL etc.
Can you tell me what's writen under battery (don't need IMEI), where is reset button and does it have standard bootloader (press volume down and reset simultaneously)<-- If have, pls give pics
Best regards

What is the exact dimension of your battery? I wonder if we can use it on the HD too?

it Max4G available in other countries or only russia?

citrix80 said:
it Max4G available in other countries or only russia?
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looks like only russia. But, it would be sweet if there was a WWE dual (3G/4G) unlocked one for the states someday!! I really like it's battery, shape, camera, and specs...

borce_razor said:
Can you tell me what's writen under battery (don't need IMEI), where is reset button and does it have standard bootloader (press volume down and reset simultaneously)<-- If have, pls give pics
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What's under the battery? It's written IMEI, S/N and P/N, and of course 'Made in Taiwan'... did I anwser your question?
Sorry I don't understand the bootloader. Mind telling me more?
The dimension of battery is 44*66*5 (cubic mm) Does it fit the HD? I'm curious to know, too.
It's not for sale in Russia yet; it's only for sale in two cities: St. Petersburg and Moscow.
sproxy: Thanks a lot for posting the screenshots of Chinese keyboard. (though the characters you type don't make sense ) Now before trying the Chinese keyboard, I must find a ghost software... in case I'll crash my phone again.

Not IMEI, SN PN, which product code is it (Touch HD is BLAC100)

Begovaya said:
The dimension of battery is 44*66*5 (cubic mm) Does it fit the HD? I'm curious to know, too.
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Won't fit since it's a diffent size per here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448787

borce_razor said:
Not IMEI, SN PN, which product code is it (Touch HD is BLAC100)
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On my Max it's written QUAR100
Today I got on my hand 3 phones altogether: Max4G, HD and a white Diamond.
I confirm that the batteries for Max & HD are completely different in dimension. The battery for Max is much larger.
When holding Max & HD side by side, you feel Max is slightly larger and thicker, and you understand that Max has to be "square" to keep its size reasonably slim.
I took some pictures by my SE P1i, but it was too dim and the result was horrible. Anyway, I'll post them up here later.

Sorry the following pics were poorly shot - by a phone camera in a dim room.
This picture shows that the batteries for HD and Max4G are not interchangeable.
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Compare the size
HD - White Diamond - Max
Screen size
HD - iPhone - Max (someone looks brighter simply because of its settings)

Do you still use your Universal outdoors?

As in the title, do you use the phone when you go out or do you use it only at home? Since mobile phones/pocket pcs have become a bit smaller/slimmer but with bigger screens, the Universal is a beast or a big brick compared to actual phones in the market. Plus it is definitely heavy, more heavier if you put a 3200mah battery and is definitely far behind in terms of specs (no gps,accelerometer,only 64mb ram...). Have you come across people saying the Universal is a big/ugly/outdated phone?
I personally take 2 x 1620mah batteries when I'm out and only use the 3200mah when indoors. Still I find the Universal an attractive phone and the keyboard is definitely unique.
Would it be time to switch to a more stylish and less bulky phone like the HTC Touch Pro2, HTC Blackstone or the likes? What are your thoughts about this - just want to know what the community still think about this phone.

i love my uni. compared Omania II. I like uni's qwerty keypad. and the rotating screen but yes it really heavy. I wish uni is gps capable and has motion sensing like Omania II

Universal, one of the greatest devices ever
Final5k said:
As in the title, do you use the phone when you go out or do you use it only at home? Since mobile phones/pocket pcs have been becoming a bit smaller/slimmer but with bigger screens, the Universal is a beast or a big brick compared to actual phones in the market. Plus it is definitely heavy and more heavy if you put a 3200mah battery with it. Have you come across people saying the Universal is a big/ugly/outdated phone?
I personally take 2 1620mah batteries when I'm out and use the 3200mah when indoors. Still I find the Universal an attractive phone and the keyboard is definitely unique.
Would it be time to switch to a more stylish and less bulky phone like the HTC Touch Pro2, HTC Blackstone or the likes? What are your thoughts about this - just want to know what the community still think about this phone.
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You´ll find that proud owners of Universal are very happy and probably won´t get rid of their Uni´s!
On my case, I had Universal as my main and only device for almost 5 years, then I buyed a Rhodium but never with the idea to substitute my Universal, as it has not a real substitute on the market
HTC made it so well that they do not want to do another one as good as Uni...So sadly I don´t think we will find a "real" successor on the same from factor.
So yes you can buy another device but with the time you will find that there is nothing that will substitute great Uni.
Long live to Universal!!
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orb3000 said:
You´ll find that proud owners of Universal are very happy and probably won´t get rid of their Uni´s!
On my case, I had Universal as my main and only device for almost 5 years, then I buyed a Rhodium but never with the idea to substitute my Universal, as it has not a real substitute on the market
HTC made it so well that they do not want to do another one as good as Uni...So sadly I don´t think we will find a "real" successor on the same from factor.
So yes you can buy another device but with the time you will find that there is nothing that will substitute great Uni.
Long live to Universal!!
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coud'nt we e-mail HTC with a request for a phone to succes the uni?

Yes we can!
Please go ahead, you have my support and signature!

orb3000 said:
Yes we can!
Please go ahead, you have my support and signature!
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Mine too
All they need to do is add more ram/rom space, GPS, accelerometer, FM radio, and U.S. radio frequency. For all our users still with Uni with no 3G lol.
BTW Uni is still my only device I use currently. Thought about TP2 but passed on it.

Same here. I bought my uni recently as my main device, and it's fine. Big and heavy, but with great keyboard, powerfull and just... I don't really like this whole "cool, and slim, and whooooah finger friendly devices" thing. But in my case I usually message instead of calling (It's just that I prefer to), therefore the size doesn't bother me this much.
Also, I had some other big devices in past (i.e. blue angel - not as big as uni, but still big) so it's not really anything new for me.
Only thing that bothers me for now is battery life time. Yesterday I drained about 60% of my uni battery browsing internet for 2h via wifi. I was kind of shocked to be honest - my 15,4 notebook would last for 3h at least. I know uni sucks when comes to battery life time, but seriosuly, 2h for a mobile device?
I'm going to change rom and radio (back to 1.15), and also try some other tricks from xda-dev. Hope it will help.
The other option (and most probable one) is that the seller "battery is fine and can last for a few days" was a lie, and battery is just kind of dead.
Also, greetings for xda-dev, as it's my first post here (I'm not new in terms of registration time though ;])

Thanks and welcome to forums

2hrs internet browsing seems to be reasonable - i think i've managed to browse 2h30min-3hrs with my new battery. Even on Nokia, batteries drain fast when browsing the web this much especially heavily loaded pages.

boxchevy said:
Mine too
All they need to do is add more ram/rom space, GPS, accelerometer, FM radio, and U.S. radio frequency. For all our users still with Uni with no 3G lol.
BTW Uni is still my only device I use currently. Thought about TP2 but passed on it.
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Well, i have good news, i have sent them a e-mail and i'm waiting for a reply, this is wht i sent:
Dear HTC
I on behalf of the xda-developer fourm would like to request a new device to succed the HTC Uniersal / XDA Exec.
We would like it to have:
GPS
Touch Flow 3D
Accelerometer
3.5 Audio Jack
full 62 QWERTY Keybaord
Bluetooth
WifI
GPRS
3G
Wireless Router Setting
SD/SDHC Card Compatibility
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 256 MB
5gb Internal Storage
5mp Camera
Video Calling Camera
2.8-inch TFT - LCD touch screen =]
If you could do this, We would all be very greatful
Thannk You
Mr Simon Lee
Simon_WM - Xda-dev user name

I'm using my Universal as a primary mobile phone, 24/7 in my pocket, with 3200 mah battery, no problems for me

I use my Uni in Internet browsing and watching movies. With WoW SRS + good headphones, i feel like watching in a theater.

Simon_WM said:
Well, i have good news, i have sent them a e-mail and i'm waiting for a reply, this is wht i sent:
Dear HTC
I on behalf of the xda-developer fourm would like to request a new device to succed the HTC Uniersal / XDA Exec.
We would like it to have:
GPS
Touch Flow 3D
Accelerometer
3.5 Audio Jack
full 62 QWERTY Keybaord
Bluetooth
WifI
GPRS
3G
Wireless Router Setting
SD/SDHC Card Compatibility
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 256 MB
5gb Internal Storage
5mp Camera
Video Calling Camera
2.8-inch TFT - LCD touch screen =]
If you could do this, We would all be very greatful
Thannk You
Mr Simon Lee
Simon_WM - Xda-dev user name
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why???
i love it because of the 3.7"
internal storage?open for discussion
i would prefer a sd card instead of the micro sd...because of digital cameras(compact and SLRs) etc
but the biggest must have is the EXCELLENT 62key keyboard(the same if possible)

mc_fish said:
why???
i love it because of the 3.7"
internal storage?open for discussion
i would prefer a sd card instead of the micro sd...because of digital cameras(compact and SLRs) etc
but the biggest must have is the EXCELLENT 62key keyboard(the same if possible)
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And I would prefer micro SD. Why? Because it can fit into any other device either by itself or with adaptor to take it to full SD size. SD, on the other hand, cannot be reduced to the size of micro SD and therefore will be useless in anything else other than SD device. At this point my Uni and Magician are the only full SD devices.

its small, its unpractical, it has smaller capacity and you dont have the adapter always by hand...where are the pros? its inside the phone so you dont see it... = the form factor for you doesn't meter, but someone who changes the cards often...its a totally different story