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Is everybody happy? No pun intended.

My salt grain:
Moving from an i-mate JAM, I'm returning my JASJAR/V1640 to Vodafone.
1.- Too, way toooo heavy. And also too large.... Unable to be carried on a belt clip. Haven't seen anything so "odd" since the old Ipaq line. Does anyone remember the Phillips VELO?
2.- Short memory, really short. It doesn't even stand up against the "old" JAM. Having the same specs, 68 MB RAM is not acceptable for WM 5.
3.- Battery life is misserable. Again, facing the same day ussage, mine didn't come close to the JAM. And yes, I do have and use an SDIO WiFi card.
4.- I haven't really noticed any significant advantage on the OS side to justify the move from wm2003 SE. Not to mention incompatabilities.
5.- And last but not least, in this price range they should be doing better.
Maybe a future JASJAR II (Whatever the specs) will made the point for a change.
:-(
I'm alone? :wink:

Looking Glass - when people are posting exactly the same thread on why the JasJar II doesn't do 3D holographic projection, contain a neural net and can only transport mechanical, and not biological tissues through time, sometimes we just have to accept that these devices will never be perfect, so we have to live with their flaws and seek to improve them.
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Ouroboros
Every phone I've used has flaws, sometimes critical flaws, but it's a buyer's market - we shouldn't have to accept less then 100%, but we're phone hacking geeks :wink:
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@vijay,
happy to accept devices are not perfect but so many online reviews of the Universal claim this is the best device ever, the best Smartphone. But the shortcoming are too basic (poor call quality, flaky BT, unstable PowerSave etc) and therefore I like 'Looking Glass' am not too happy given the retail price of this device. I suspect the next HTC device will be better as they will learnt from the shortcomings of the Universal.

I don't like the Universal very much personally. I use my Magician as my main phone, and only use the Universal for development.
I like its screen, but it's large, heavy and slow.
However, I want a device with a large screen, VGA screen, camera, and the latest OS.
It has 2 cameras, built in wifi, 3g, a nice keyboard and many other features. The new OS has major teething problems, but all in, you get a great technical piece of equipment. Know what you want and why, and be prepared to tweak the hell out of it.
It has major flaws, and it's not a very good phone until you get a good bluetooth setup and voice command on it. But it probably is one of the best phones money can buy right now, from a hardware point of view. But if it's not a good phone, why buy it?!
V

I love the Universal (xda exec). It allows me to surf very fast wherever using 3g, and play games, and also email and sms and skype when I am away from home. It has my address book and vital documents. The screen is sharp and larger then most things out there. It weighs nothing in my backpack and I find it mostly very reliable, including BT & wifi.
Point to note: I do not use this as my voice cell phone. In my view it is a mistake to use this kind of device as a phone. Its too large for evenings out and the battery life compared to phones is small. It is a super PDA, not a cell phone substitute. If people want a light cell phone with great battery then buy a nokia or motorola. If you want a smartphone (the whole concept of which I hate, as without a decent screen no programmable device is useful) then then orange c500 is great (Typhoon).
rgds

I agree with point 5, this is not quite the machine it should have been for $1,000. Where's our 96mb RAM and USB host that had been listed in the pre-release versions? I think the size, weight, and battery life are acceptable given the form factor and features. Honestly, whenever take my JasJar out of the case I can't believe how slim it actually is!
Overall I'm really pleased with my JasJar right now. My main concerns were sluggish performance but the new ROM has made a significant improvement on that front. Are the "features" we gained with WM5 worth the upgrade from the previous OS? Eh... maybe not. It's nice to not have to worry about data loss due to a dead battery but I think I'd prefer the better performance we got from our 2003SE PE devices.

Interesting points here and I find myself agreeing with most of them.
I've been using a PPC for a number of years now and the Universal for me was just a natural upgrade from the hx4700 I had before. I got mine at the end of December and have yet to make a voice call on it.
However I do find myself using it a lot for picking up mail, spreadsheeting, web surfing and lots of PIM work - all things the hx4700 did very well but the Universal's built in keyboard works so well that I don't think I can have another device without one now.
WM5 does to me seem a worthy enough upgrade. Not having to worry about losing data is the killer feature and again one I won't go without again. Everything else seems a slight advance on WM2003SE which is good enough for me.
I got mine from O2 - £200 up front, £23 a month for the 36mb tariff and I got £50 cashback. All in that will make it about the same as I paid for the hx4700 so I am very happy.
I was that impressed with the concept that I bought a Wizard from O2 in a similar way - £70 up front, £12 a month with £30 cashback. That one is my main phone (work paid for sim card is in it so I'm paying a fixed amount) and is also very good.
These are my first PDAs not from HP and so far I am happy with the choices I made.

I have been reading this forum but seldom posted anything; but this time I want to express that I love universal
Moving from I-mate Jam, I especially love the universal VGA screen. I read books a lot using my PDA phone and using universal my eyes are becoming much more comfortable.
I also like the keyboard, which suits me a lot who types over 50 sms/day.
Size is big, but I'm getting used to it now

I have only had my Orange SPV M5000 for 3 days, and flashed it with the new ROM yesterday. It doesn't seem that slow compared to my Jam.
Sure it is a monster. I swore I would never get one.
But I would be hard pressed to give up the VGA and keyboard now. Reading books and email were my two main applications, and the extra space is great. Browsing with WiFi is also much more usable.
Time will tell if I get too frustrated with WM5!

It is only a matter of time...
I would like to tell the world that my man and I are very happy with our Qtek 9000s. It truely is a modern feat for the PDA & Ppc PE world! A true convergence device. True there are quirks about performce wise but just give it time and people especially the ones ever present in xda forum and buzzdev will tweak it to the maximum. I love wm2k5 and is a big step compared to 2003SE! I have a Himalaya and I have seen it grow from wm2003 to wm2k5 and what a great story it is. I know deep in my heart the Uni will follow in the foot steps of the Hima! It is just a matter of time!
My respect and admiration for the people who make our devices run a revolutionary as well as technological roller coaster ride namely Buzz, Tofclock, ViJay, vivi, DotFred and many others more. More power and let the eternal light of tech wisdom shine upon you!

Yep, its big & heavy & sometimes a bit slow, but I would not go back to using my Blue Angel. I use this device as my only phone, for SatNav, email and web surfing. I've not used the Wizard, so can not really compare it, but it looks like many people will prefer it to the Universal, but I chode the Universal for 3G i.e. 384K networking
I really love the VGA screen and proper keyboard and the the bluetooth and Wifi implementations seem better than the Blue Angel's. As for memory, I install most programs on my 4Gb SD card so I still have some storage left, but I agree that 128Mb would have been better, especially since TomTom insists on using 9Mb of it for UK postcodes
If your major use is as a phone, then this isn't the device for you. It is adequate as a phone, but its true value lies in the PDA and networking functions.

The Universal for sure has the best screen I have ever seen on a mobile device and the keyboard is also very good. Surfing with WiFi using Opera (not PIE) is a dream. eBook reading is great as long as you don't use DRM ebooks stored on the SD card and use the PowerSave option (MS Reader can have problems when you re-activate).
But why does WM5 functions (settings etc) not use the VGA capability? Why is the BT signal so weak so that at 2m it struggles? Why the need to reboot every few days? Why the delay on incoming calls? Why make a device that is fantastic in some areas and very weak in others (e.g. no soft menu keys under the screen when you want you want to use it in PDA mode)?

I am very happy with my XDA Exec. I got mine because my kids broke my trusty Dell Axim X3i PDA and the fact that the Exec is also aphone was just a bonus. As a PDA it is everything I wanted and more! One question I have for Looking Glass is why are you using an SDIO Wi-Fi card on a device that has buit in wireless?

UH OH !!!
I'll keep schtum on this one guys ;-)

vijay555 said:
and it's not a very good phone until you get a good bluetooth setup and voice command on it. But it probably is one of the best phones money can buy right now, from a hardware point of view. But if it's not a good phone, why buy it?!
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RE: recent thread titled "The Biggest Problem with the Universal"
Vijay, (no disrespect sir) but after all that shenanigans a few weeks back..... it is a phone and not a PDA with a phone or whatever??
(whoops... there I go again!)
Cue Gajet, SiliconS, so on and so forth :lol:

philtech44: I didn't really read that thread, but my opinion is based on practicality. I wear a suit all day, and see a lot of guys struggling with XDAs through the day. I'm very happy with my Magician in my pocket (!), but no suit would last long with a Universal in my pocket. Hence, it's not a very good phone for me merely on the basis of size/weight. But, I'll be the first to say that its hardware is near unsurpassed: I love the VGA screen, makes 'net browsing feasible.
So, I can't imagine a very good middle ground: it has great hardware, but that requires a large size. Thus for me, it's a very well equipped PDA, that happens to have phone features. But with a good bluetooth headset etc, I can leave it in my case and pop it out when required (!). But I'd still rather have a Magician with a fold out VGA screen :wink:
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whilst we are on about how to make the universal perfect:
1. Case made of titanium alloy
2. Screen fills lid completely - 800x480
3. 1mm thinner base
4. CDMA2000 and EDGE for travelling to the US
5. HSDPA (for 3mbit 3g in europe)
6. Double, or more, battery life.
7. Intel 2700 3d accelerator
8. Compact flash slot
9. nintendo ds cartridge slot and emulator (screens side by side on 800x480) - ;->
10. Wifi g and new n standard
11. Driver and cable for ipod (to stream videos). Would not want a hard disk as (a) it drains battery, (b) I can upgrade my ipod when high capacities come out without upgrading my PDA
12. 128 or 256 mbyte program memory
13. Dual or quad core ARM cpu (circa 2020 !!)
I wouldn't change the form factor one bit. Its very comfortable for a micro-computer. As I have mentioned before, I have a small cell phone for calling, would never use this kind device as a main phone.
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rgds

@colonel,
my Vaio laptop's normal battery gives me 6.5 hrs battery life so better battery life should be possible. But I think HTC should fix the basics before trying to add features for features sake. I think the next bunch of HTC devices will be much better than the Universal (HSDPA already planned). Regarding memory, my 14 month old Nokia 9500 has much more user memory then the leading edge Universal (80mg versus 30mb). I see the radio, BT and memory as basic features that should be very good given the USD900 price tag of the Universal.

jah said:
@colonel,
my Vaio laptop's normal battery gives me 6.5 hrs battery life so better battery life should be possible. But I think HTC should fix the basics before trying to add features for features sake. I think the next bunch of HTC devices will be much better than the Universal (HSDPA already planned). Regarding memory, my 14 month old Nokia 9500 has much more user memory then the leading edge Universal (80mg versus 30mb). I see the radio, BT and memory as basic features that should be very good given the USD900 price tag of the Universal.
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Have you compared the battery size between of your Vaio? Batteries are fairly standard capacities per size right now, and its going to take a new breakthrough for us to really gain more battery time.

Sony Announces VAIO UX Micro Computer

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Sony today announced the new Ultra Mobile PC VAIO VGN-UX50! The computer runs on Intel Core Solo Ultra Low Voltage 1.0GHz CPU and Windows XP operating system. It features 4.5-inch wide SVGA screen with XBRITE technology for enhance image clarity. Weighing only 520 grams and measuring 150mm x 95mm x 32mm, this little PC can go with you anywhere.
You also get a stylus, WWAN (Wide Area Network), Wireless LAN, and Bluetooth. The UX model has two built-in cameras - one in fron for VoIP or conferencing and another on the back to take photos. For security and if you don't want to remember passwords, it comes equipped with a biometric fingerprint sensor.
Even better, Sony will offer an optional Bluetooth GPS (VGP-BGU1) so you can get directions anywhere you go!
source: http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=890

I think Sony already have a similiar product in the market, slightly bigger.
Anyway, I wonder how practicle is this thing. I mean, it is rather big to have it as a pda/handphone, and rather small screen to be used as a laptop.
Even if you consider the case you don't mind a bulky PDA, rather difficult to have things to be useful on the small screen (e.g. running winXp). Does it have extra software that will do a PDA job on that small screen (e.g. big enough fonts for you to display on the small screen)? Or you will have to change the screen resolution from time to time (e.g. when you reach your office and plug it into your PC).
When will they come out with a foldable screen

hanmin said:
When will they come out with a foldable screen
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Well, they have rollable screens already. I like the idea of being able to pull a large screen out of the side of a slimmer but just as tall Universal XX.
Anyone remember the com units used by the agents in the tv show Earth: Final Conflict? Pull out touch screens, nice. 8)
Cheers
Nasdaq

Its nice to see Sony offering a true micro PC. The 'Origami' pcs were some what dissapointing, as they are basically just portable media and email devices. This however is a genuine micro pc, you could literally do a tonne of work of any kind on it.
Very impressive, coming from SOny it wont be cheap but hey, very cool device to have.

here is a small comparison:
285 g vs
520 g
127 x 81 x 25 mm vs
150 x 95 x 32 mm
640x480 vs
1024x600
Windows Mobile vs
Windows XP
520MHz vs
1GHz

the exec is much better then this sony rubbish as:
1. Its lighter
2. The battery lasts much longer (the sony will last 1-2 hours max)
3. The sony has no GSM/GPRS or 3G ... jeez
4. The sony is much bigger
5. The sony has a horrible aerial poking out the top
6. The sony is much heavier
7. The sony has a memory stick socket - yuck, betamax all over again
If I need a laptop I'll take my tiny Compaq with 1gb mem, 1280x768 screen, 80gb harddisk and 64bit amd chip.
For small devices I'll take my change with WM5.1 and WM6. XP was designed for beefy big screen PCs. It don't work on these things ...

colonel said:
...3. The sony has no GSM/GPRS or 3G ... jeez...
7. The sony has a memory stick socket - yuck, betamax all over again...
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The US version comes w/ Cingular Wireless Broadband.
It also has a 30gb hard drive which to my knowledge is a bit more than the available memory on the universal
$1800 at Sony Style

When it comes with GPRS and 3G, and I can get it subsidised woth T-Mobile, then I'll buy it.
Otherwise it's like my exwife. Cute, but far too expensive.

The only thing I don't like is the use of Memory Stcks, very expensive memory cards. I hate them.

belfast-biker said:
Otherwise it's like my exwife. Cute, but far too expensive.
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Something in this forum that finally makes sense...!

belfast-biker said:
When it comes with GPRS and 3G, and I can get it subsidised woth T-Mobile, then I'll buy it.
Otherwise it's like my exwife. Cute, but far too expensive.
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LOL
Well according to a blogger who had a hands on; the keyboard is crap.

colonel said:
the exec is much better then this sony rubbish as:
1. Its lighter
2. The battery lasts much longer (the sony will last 1-2 hours max)
3. The sony has no GSM/GPRS or 3G ... jeez
4. The sony is much bigger
5. The sony has a horrible aerial poking out the top
6. The sony is much heavier
7. The sony has a memory stick socket - yuck, betamax all over again
If I need a laptop I'll take my tiny Compaq with 1gb mem, 1280x768 screen, 80gb harddisk and 64bit amd chip.
For small devices I'll take my change with WM5.1 and WM6. XP was designed for beefy big screen PCs. It don't work on these things ...
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I guess you never used one before. I have the U70, the last model. Normal battery 4-5hours and the extended battery 8-9hours. Thats with Wifi on the whole time. You can do 100 more things with XP then WM5. It also has a SD and MS slot. 30gig HDD.
Shame you wont try it.

zakeen said:
I guess you never used one before. I have the U70, the last model. Normal battery 4-5hours and the extended battery 8-9hours. Thats with Wifi on the whole time. You can do 100 more things with XP then WM5. It also has a SD and MS slot. 30gig HDD.
Shame you wont try it.
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I'm somewhat sceptical. The Universal fits in my pocket - just. Anything bigger wouldn't be usable - and amongst my friends I'm the most easy going about device size, no one else will carry anything close to as big.
Irrespective of its capabilities its no good to me sitting on the shelf when I'm out and about.
So, for me at least, when it comes to trading off capability against 'pocketability' the latter wins every time... YMMV

some more links:
Sony Vaio UX50 resuming from standby in six seconds - Google Video
Hands on with the UX50

hi Zakeen,
That battery life you mention does sound much better. I have had a few sony laptops over the years and they always faired much worse then other ones.
I am following the new Ulitra Micro laptop generation with interest. The Samsung Q1 and Toshiba libretto look more interesting to me as the Toshiba has a better spec. and is cheaper, and roughly the same size, whereas the Samsung is smaller. I think the 2nd generation of these devices will be better. I am prepared to spend around $1000 on a 1Mhz Pentium clone around the size of the Samsung Q1. The Libretto and UX180 are just too expensive.
I was also disappointed that Apple hasn't brought out a tiny laptop. The new macbook is very cheap at $1099 with a core duo cpu, but is actually bigger then the previous G4 macbook.
I have a feeling it'll take another year for these devices to mature. However then the Universal II (or whatever) will be out and again we will have to see whether a micro-laptop is actually worth it!

Using Universal as micro notebook is an excercise in how much compromises you can make/take.
- Lack of built in storage
- No USB Host
- No VGA out
- Poor or no office compatibility (even Text and Page maker are a pain, Power Point and Project editing is even more of a strech and there is no Visio at all.
- Browsing capabilities and compatibility
- Even Mail clients are rather poor
... ant the list goes on ...
I'm sure Sony users will also have to make many compromises, but I'm also pretty sure not even close to Universal's users. If only it would not be so expensive...

I HATE my Universal for at least three reasons...

1. Damn Bluetooth on the Universal gives static to soooo many different Bluetooth headsets/handfrees.
2. The 1.3 MP camera quality is worse than my bloody webcam.
3. Graphics performance is not suitable for smooth full-screen DivX playback.
God damn HTC...Taiwanese company...Why do they release products that are so "crap"? The specs look good on paper...but the quality of the product is really questionable!

Cool. My fish drowned.

1. Damn Bluetooth on the Universal gives static to soooo many different Bluetooth headsets/handfrees.
If you search the forum you will find that some bluetooth headsets work without this issue, I have one which gives of static but that is only if I am at least 10 feet from my universal, Bluetooth isn't perfect by a long shot on the universal
2. The 1.3 MP camera quality is worse than my bloody webcam.
Camera quality on most phones are bad, I never use my phone camera unless I have too.
3. Graphics performance is not suitable for smooth full-screen DivX playback.
What frames per second are you using to encoded your movies, I have only had it stutter for a few times on my ones, Lost season 2 on my way to work.
There are a few things you can do to speed up the universal make it run far better, it is one of the best pda/phones on the market. For VGA it is in it's own league.

how long have you had the device?
its takes some getting use to but IMO it a first in a step in diffrent direction for PDAS.
If your looking for a normal phone and good camera try a samsung or nokia ,even these megs pix cams are never as good as a digi cam
but if your after a tiny laptop,mp3 player and net surfing on the move than its ideal
horses for courses as they say.nothing in life is pefect but you have to choose how to pick whats suits your own needs the best and make a compromise
this method also works with women :lol:

xxnoelziexx said:
1. Damn Bluetooth on the Universal gives static to soooo many different Bluetooth headsets/handfrees.
If you search the forum you will find that some bluetooth headsets work without this issue, I have one which gives of static but that is only if I am at least 10 feet from my universal, Bluetooth isn't perfect by a long shot on the universal
2. The 1.3 MP camera quality is worse than my bloody webcam.
Camera quality on most phones are bad, I never use my phone camera unless I have too.
3. Graphics performance is not suitable for smooth full-screen DivX playback.
What frames per second are you using to encoded your movies, I have only had it stutter for a few times on my ones, Lost season 2 on my way to work.
There are a few things you can do to speed up the universal make it run far better, it is one of the best pda/phones on the market. For VGA it is in it's own league.
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1. Yes, I know there are a "few" that work with the Universal without much issue. That's besides the point though. The ratio of static-giving headset vs no-static headset is just too high. Making the universal a product with questionable compatibility issues.
2. I don't think that's an excuse for the universal in this case. (a) It's not a camera phone, it's a PDA/phone. (b) The price tag isn't exactly low. (c) You've now lowered your standard of what a good product should be like? :?
3. Having come from the HX4700...I KNOW the Universal graphics performance sucks. I used to be able to download DivX off the internet and play directly on the HX4700 without further conversion/encoding. It's just NOT convinient if I have to re-encode those DivX just so that I can watch them on the Universal. The Universal is just INCAPABLE of doing this same task that another cheaper, older PDA CAN.

jaceuk said:
how long have you had the device?
its takes some getting use to but IMO it a first in a step in diffrent direction for PDAS.
If your looking for a normal phone and good camera try a samsung or nokia ,even these megs pix cams are never as good as a digi cam
but if your after a tiny laptop,mp3 player and net surfing on the move than its ideal
horses for courses as they say.nothing in life is pefect but you have to choose how to pick whats suits your own needs the best and make a compromise
this method also works with women :lol:
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Been using it for 2 months.
I don't need a great camera...I just need one that at the very least doesn't give me noise/bright pixels...which my (and other people's) universal is giving me a lot of.
The screen refresh/windows redraw on the universal is quite annoying, it's not snappy at all. It's like using those old S3 video card on your computer where you SEE the graphics being refresh on one area at a time :shock: .
To me, right now, the only thing that's keeping me from selling the universal is the keyboard. And that's, subsequently, means it's a bloody expensive keyboard.
I still don't understand why they release such a poorly thought out product out the door.

DavidT. said:
Cool. My fish drowned.
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Sorry to hear that.
Did it drown in the hot water (hot weather)...or did a family member piss in the fish bowl/tank?

strange that you hate your universal... i love mine! probably because i dont care about the things you listed...

Chatbox said:
1. Damn Bluetooth on the Universal gives static to soooo many different Bluetooth headsets/handfrees.
2. The 1.3 MP camera quality is worse than my bloody webcam.
3. Graphics performance is not suitable for smooth full-screen DivX playback.
God damn HTC...Taiwanese company...Why do they release products that are so "crap"? The specs look good on paper...but the quality of the product is really questionable!
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Maybe you should ask yourself why you bought the phone/pda in the first place. Does it have all the functions that you need/want? As for performance... there are tweaks and stuff to speed it up a little. And the camera... i never have high expectations about camera's in devices where the main function is NOT taking pictures

Chatbox: I do agree that the hx4700 has a far superior graphics performance, but one must bear in mind that it was only a PDA rather than a PDA phone.
As for the price tag: nowadays you get large price tags for tiny devices, i.e. the smaller (hence not-so-good performance) the more expensive. You cannot expect an all-in-one device to beat every camera/phone/PDA. I am not trying to defend HTC or Microsoft, but I just want to point out that you get this in most types of product.
If you're not enjoying your Universal, you can consider selling it so that you can try something else. I live in Hong Kong and I know someone who would LOVE to buy a second-hand Universal for a reasonable price.
DON'T get the xda Atom series though! Quanta - the company who makes the Atoms - is not as good as HTC.

Biffert said:
Maybe you should ask yourself why you bought the phone/pda in the first place. Does it have all the functions that you need/want? As for performance... there are tweaks and stuff to speed it up a little. And the camera... i never have high expectations about camera's in devices where the main function is NOT taking pictures
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I guess it's good to have no/little expectation at times, especially in this case.
Let's see why I bought the Universal:
1. 3G capable phone.
2. APac region tri-band phone.
3. All contacts on one single device. No need to sync phone then sync PDA.
4. Portable device consolidation (PDA & Phone in one).
5. Keyboard.
6. VGA display (reasonable quality...crap performance though).
7. 802.11b supported
8. Bluetooth 1.2 (but have major compatibility issues...IT'S PICKY)
9. 1.3MP camera (It was supposed to replace my K750i's camera).
So, if I'm going to a new, different device, what are my options...if any?

Chatbox said:
Biffert said:
Maybe you should ask yourself why you bought the phone/pda in the first place. Does it have all the functions that you need/want? As for performance... there are tweaks and stuff to speed it up a little. And the camera... i never have high expectations about camera's in devices where the main function is NOT taking pictures
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I guess it's good to have no/little expectation at times, especially in this case.
Let's see why I bought the Universal:
1. 3G capable phone.
2. APac region tri-band phone.
3. All contacts on one single device. No need to sync phone then sync PDA.
4. Portable device consolidation (PDA & Phone in one).
5. Keyboard.
6. VGA display (reasonable quality...crap performance though).
7. 802.11b supported
8. Bluetooth 1.2 (but have major compatibility issues...IT'S PICKY)
9. 1.3MP camera (It was supposed to replace my K750i's camera).
So, if I'm going to a new, different device, what are my options...if any?
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if you need all these you have no other options at the moment.
if you can live without VGA, htc hermes is out soon.

Hum...tempting...the Hermes is already available here in HK, if I'm not mistaken. It's the Dopod CHT 9000, right?

IMO I think:
1. the hardware is great
2. wm5 is good, far better than wm 2003.
if anyone/anything should be hated its the absence of rom updates. htc & operators/distributers are so fired up selling devices that they don't care about devices that have been sold. honestly, its only the devices that are sold most that gets the most frequent updates and even then its not enough. perhaps when ms releases microsoft update for windows mobile it will get good (not great

3.
Try to install TCPMP on you SD CARD instead of the phone. I heared it fix the problem of looking divx movies. On my MDA PRO the performance is great. I don''t have to reencode divx movies I downloaded , just copy and play.

vondutch said:
3.
Try to install TCPMP on you SD CARD instead of the phone. I heared it fix the problem of looking divx movies. On my MDA PRO the performance is great. I don''t have to reencode divx movies I downloaded , just copy and play.
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Thanks, but I've already tried everything there was to try before I came to my conclusion of how I feel about the unit. Such as: install on SD, run with and without XScalar, with USB plugged in, hardware VSync, no zoom...etc, even overclocked (That's just out of the question because the unit became even more unreliable than what it already was. I am looking for a rock solid PDA...or at least can handle one full week without restart/hang/pauses/jerks.)
It is just NOT SMOOTH...watch your videos carefully, very carefully.
As a result, I had to go out and buy a PMP to do the job (Archos AV500...for the curious ones). :?

get a laptop
then u will be happy
obviously the universal was not a smart buy for u
u are expecting desktop performance on a pocket pc phone plus u are watching too many movies and listening to too many mp3s. the universal is too serious a device. u need something more like a toy.

int.inc said:
get a laptop
then u will be happy
obviously the universal was not a smart buy for u
u are expecting desktop performance on a pocket pc phone plus u are watching too many movies and listening to too many mp3s. the universal is too serious a device. u need something more like a toy.
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Unless there's something wrong in my interpretation, you're saying a laptop is like a toy, and, a desktop performance can be found in a laptop(but the last time I checked, last weekend, there wasn't any hardware raid in any workstation class laptops from IBM nor HP). That, or your advice is warped. Or, you just haven't seen/experienced anything better from a PDA. Feel sorry for you that you can dream big, want more...and only settle for less.
I watch tv eps to and from work as I spend approx 1 hour each way on a daily basis. What's there better to do when you're on public transport? I don't really like sitting in front of the TV like a stone when I have other things to do at home.

Is Weird.... I Really love my UNIVERSAL ...... until I buy the 2nd one ....
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That's just out of the question because the unit became even more unreliable than what it already was. I am looking for a rock solid PDA...or at least can handle one full week without restart/hang/pauses/jerks.
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ram problem or bad software installed? mine is stable as rock. i don't even have any memory leaks.

best mobile device out there

Any of you thins is there any device (or device + phone combination perhaps) out there or coming shortly better than the Athena platform?
If so which one and why, what device would make you to ditch your dear Athena if any, and expend your hard earned cash in something new?
My device is dead cold and I been looking around and failed to be excited with the new iTOY 3G or the 7510, the Samsung Omnia looks kind of interesting, no devices with a 5"screen which is something I love on the athena, so probably my best bet will be a reasonable priced second hand Advantage....or a cheapo thing and wait a few months to see what's new? or iTOY and other mobile device companion?
If somebody think is worth to make this thread a poll and attach that colour bars at the top please do so
Regards

PBL1 said:
Any of you thins is there any device (or device + phone combination perhaps) out there or coming shortly better than the Athena platform?
If so which one and why, what device would make you to ditch your dear Athena if any, and expend your hard earned cash in something new?
My device is dead cold and I been looking around and failed to be excited with the new iTOY 3G or the 7510, the Samsung Omnia looks kind of interesting, no devices with a 5"screen which is something I love on the athena, so probably my best bet will be a reasonable priced second hand Advantage....or a cheapo thing and wait a few months to see what's new? or iTOY and other mobile device companion?
If somebody think is worth to make this thread a poll and attach that colour bars at the top please do so
Regards
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Samsung OMNIA... very strange resolution=problems for SURE
Imate 9502? May be...
Raphael is the best choice IMHO but athena is far better
It is simple: software could be developed from users, but Hardware don't. And Athena is STILL the best hardware in the WM business

sergiopi said:
Samsung OMNIA... very strange resolution=problems for SURE
Imate 9502? May be...
Raphael is the best choice IMHO but athena is far better
It is simple: software could be developed from users, but Hardware don't. And Athena is STILL the best hardware in the WM business
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Totally agree with you.
5 inch screen is so important. I can surf the net without having to zoom in and out which drives me crazy after a while.
Standard aspect ratio is very important for the sake of getting software.

My acer Aspire One has ousted my Athena as my web browser. Check it out online somewhere, it realy is small, btu never pocket size. Best netbook there is in my opinion.
But if youre looking for another pocket device, my vote goes to the Raphael/X1. Although, the athena screen is so big you will probably miss it.
Rory

rorydaredkign said:
My acer Aspire One has ousted my Athena as my web browser. Check it out online somewhere, it realy is small, btu never pocket size. Best netbook there is in my opinion.
But if youre looking for another pocket device, my vote goes to the Raphael/X1. Although, the athena screen is so big you will probably miss it.
Rory
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Acer Aspire One could not be practically brought alone with you all the time, is not instant on, does not have long enough battery, cannot be used without a table or chair, ...
Raphael. The screen is too small. Movies, internet, Softmakerall need bigger screen to be enjoyable.

I agree with you both,
The reason Omnia called my attention was that it match Athena specs and in some case add better ones,16Gb internal memory and memory slot good camera, Fm radio that works with the GSM, the haptics touch screen gimmic and the funky graphics
still no 5" screen and funny resolution that remains to be seen how well it works.
The 9502 looks Ok but not worth to compare with Athena (also the advantage looks better IMO) and the Raphael/Diamond devices, the same thing.
Why after a year there is no better device than Athena bugs my, not for technical reasons for sure.

I LOVE my 5 inch screen....sooo sweet!

PBL1 said:
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Why after a year there is no better device than Athena bugs my, not for technical reasons for sure.
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Market... still not "mature" and IPHONE is the perfect example.
BT blocked to avoid file transfers, no way to download anything from browser, no file explorer, eeven no easy way to set an MP3 as ringtone... SUCCESS ???
Sorry folks, we are ALIENS from the future and the market is for Neanderthal men, we are looking for a beautiful lighter in a place were the fire was just discovered!

I just bought a HTC Advantage x7501 this last week. While I was looking the only thing that came close for me were the upcoming MID's. Though, I don't think they take sim cards (not sure). But, I wasn't looking for the mobile phone aspect of a mobile device. They also run Linux although there might be some that come out with Windows Mobile.
I am happy with my Advantage, it's a great upgrade from my Dell Axim x51v.

I just won the bidding on ebay so an "less than 2 moths old as new Advantage"should be on my way, hopefully all is right and everything goes as expected
soo back on course.
My problem with MID and similar devices is the ridiculous battery life, I was looking at the QPQ2, real use battery life just over 2H but al least there is a battery on sale with twice the capacity for that device.
Cheers

Indeed it is very true that the one isn't practical to carry around, but if you have even a small bag with you it can easily be stored. My mum even commented that when i'm at uni it will be good because it won't look like I have a laptop in my bag, it'll just look like a normal bag.
Although I do admit I was a bit silly suggesting it, I should have known he really wanted a ppc.
Rory

Although I do admit I was a bit silly suggesting it, I should have known he really wanted a ppc.
Rory
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Not at all, you make a very valid point, indeed with some laptop devices becoming very portable and affordable it is a real possibility to carry a "real computer" and a mobile phone, some peple mentioned eee pc and a celular in other threads.
besides the opinion of the people about possible devices out there is the idea of this thread in the first place
cheers

Athena against Idildo?
I'm not an expert but do NOT change your Athena against an I-garbage. It is a gadget for apple fans. I had one for one week before selling it away.
Cheers.

I made the choiceto get an iPhone, and it does everything I need in such a cool manner. Well cool if you're 18, everyone loves it... I would love to be able to share it's internet to my laptop though...
Anyways as always a mattr of personal choice.
Rory

wow i see that i'm not the only person who had an itoy for just a week. i had it returned. and then i bought my x7501.

I have both, Athena and Iphone.
In CAR terms i have SMART and HUMMER.*
Nothing to compare but nice to have both in different situations
http://www.pinklily.com.au/images/media/smartcar.jpg
http://car-reviews.automobile.com/images/cars/ArtImages/56131/alt.jpg
My DASH is the FIAT PANDA 4x4 , small, nice to have in light snow or living in the countryside...
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http://www.mazdaforum.com/models/miata/mx5/images/miata-mx-5.jpg

sergiopi has a good point.
unfortunately i only had enough money to buy one hummer
ciao!

hi, so im not the only one that have these kind of thought's and idea's.
i was thinking about buying a netbook like the msi wind and having a (more or less) small phone like the raphael only for the situations when the netbook is not with me. even if that means i have to drop my 'one device for all situations' idea .
so i played around with a friends diamond (should be the same screensize as raphael or?), but i cannot get warm with this solution, not only because wasting money for 2 devices that are used to do similar things.
so i sitdown and wait for htc (or someone else) to do the trick and bring a raphael like device but with a 3.8" screen, for me everything below a screensize of 3.8" (the size of my old htc universal) is to small to be used as 'one and only' device.
greets mad

madbird said:
hi, so im not the only one that have these kind of thought's and idea's.
i was thinking about buying a netbook like the msi wind and having a (more or less) small phone like the raphael only for the situations when the netbook is not with me. even if that means i have to drop my 'one device for all situations' idea .
so i played around with a friends diamond (should be the same screensize as raphael or?), but i cannot get warm with this solution, not only because wasting money for 2 devices that are used to do similar things.
so i sitdown and wait for htc (or someone else) to do the trick and bring a raphael like device but with a 3.8" screen, for me everything below a screensize of 3.8" (the size of my old htc universal) is to small to be used as 'one and only' device.
greets mad
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I will suggest MSI WInd and HTC S630. the 630 as phone is almost perfect: easy to fit in the pocket, cheap, full Kb, great opera mini, all (calendar, contacts, task) sync, landscape screen NON TOUCH (means no plastic film over MUCH better view, also considering the needs for a touch screen phone of a screen protection)
I fit in your jeans REAR pocket, or shirt's pocket, great (3g) for internet connection, add a small EXTERNAL GPS and TT6
If you need a TRUCK (MSI WInd) better to have a PANDA 4x4 TURBO ( HTC S630) as everyday's CAR

Sergiopi, you and me are evidently the same person...
iPhone and Athena, and both of us love cars... wow
lol
One thing, I wish I was able to put WM on my AAO, as its the best mobile OS there is. If it could be just like the Shift and the unlocked snapvue that would be awesome.
Rory

HTC Universal II

Is there any other device out there that has upgraded specs but the same form factor as the htc universal?
Is there a Universal II?
I love my uni but lets face it, it is somewhat outdated! Why cant HTC make another uni, or is there any alternatives?
Thanks in advance!

Uni II
May be this is just talks about I-Mate Ultimate series device?

tabasco said:
May be this is just talks about I-Mate Ultimate series device?
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I-Mate Ultimate series?
What is that?
Never heard of before!

Branko, I-Mate je slicna marka HTC-u, tj. ranije je imate prodavao HTC uredjaje pod svojim imenom, recimo Imate Jasjam. Sad prave svoje uredjaje, pogledaj http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate-phones-35.php.
Pozdrav,
Igor

igord said:
Branko, I-Mate je slicna marka HTC-u, tj. ranije je imate prodavao HTC uredjaje pod svojim imenom, recimo Imate Jasjam. Sad prave svoje uredjaje, pogledaj http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate-phones-35.php.
Pozdrav,
Igor
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Hvala Igore, thanks Igor!
i-mate Ultimate 7150= Cancelled!
So is there any alternatives?

The universal is a masterpiece!
In my opinion the HTC Universal is a masterpiece!
Lets look at some interesting facts, shall we?
If my memory does not serve me wrong, the unis Release date was september 2005. That is an old device!!!
However it´s specs still holds today and in some ways it even outperforms newer devices!
First of all lets look at the hardware!
We have a beautiful 3,8" VGA touchscreen that is just perfect for watching videos and surfing the net! Not too small, and not too big! Compared to other devices such as HTC diamond and the upcoming Touch Pro which both have a 2,8" screen, that is just to small in my opinion! Of course we have HTC advantage that has a 5" screen but that device is just too big for the pocket!
Also the keybord on the uni is the best I have ever seen on a wm device, and trust me I have had a few! For instance the keybord on the HTC advantage is a joke, everyone who has one or have seen it know what I mean! Tytn II´s keybord is usable after some practice, but in no way can it be compared to the unis!
Oh and dont forget the 3,5 mm headphone jack! I mean it is just great to have it there and to be able to use your favourite headphones for music or watching movies, then have to use the headset that come with the device!
And we have the ability to use our unis both in laptop mode (adjustable screen angle) and pocket pc/tablet mode, that is just priceless when you want to watch videos or type sms while having the device rest on a table! Sure you can tilt the screen on the Tytn II but it is not adjustable and it is not near that practical and good as with the universal!
Not to mention that the universal fits in most peoples pocket with out any problems, that you can not say about all devices!
Oh and I almost forgot, while watching videos it is not skipping any frames due to missing drivers, it´s just as smooth as wathching on a laptop or tv!
Now imagine an slightly upgraded universal!
Adding more ram and rom, a little faster processor, perhaps built in memory as well as support for a sd card, a gps device and a better camera!
That would really be the ultimate device dont you think?
What would you guys want to see in an upgraded universal, please give us some of your ideas and toughts about this?
Also, I would really like to know why, oh why, HTC dont you make a universal II? Is it becouse a perfect device like this will give you less profit in the long run? What do you guys think?
Lets keep this discussion going!

Is it becouse a perfect device like this will give you less profit in the long run? What do you guys think?
Lets keep this discussion going![/QUOTE]
I´m agree with you mate, that is the right point why HTC or any other manufacturer in the worls does not make any device like this.
Imagine, instead of changing device every year (Like most of people do) using a device that works perfect for 3 or 4 years.. or even more, so the profit go down.... NO buissnes mate!!
As an example of this we have the Iphone I remember in the 80´s with the Swatch watches, articles made for use it an then throw to garbage.
UNI breaks with all this consumism stuff, that´s why nobody would make any device even similar, so let´s keep the best we can our UNI´s!!!
I´m sure our kids when grow up they would say " Hey dude look this is the famous UNIVERSAL, a real PDA/Cellphone/Computer! no like the ones we have now......
Anyway that´s my personal opinion
Keep the UNI alive!!
Cheers

I remember here in Italy Universal started to sell about 1000 euros in september 2005!!!
I bought secondhand on ebay in November 2006 for about 300 euros, when finally reached my pockets . Sometime consumism can be convenient ;-)
Last year I broke the LCD screen and I decided to replace it because no other phone was "au-pair".
Now I was tempted by Samsung Omnia, but deal-breaker for me it's screen resolution. If I could find somebody able to upgrade RAM here in Italy I would do it immediately.
However the Omnia is there to show us that is possible to have a slimmer Universal, I hope without losing any characteristic (I use infrared to remote control my TV/Sat etc. for example, so let it there, or I could easily put 16 Gb using SDHC, so no microSDHC please etc.) but adding:
5.0 Mpx camera
GPS of course
256 Mb RAM
8 Gb Internal Storage
TV out
FM Radio
Exactly like Omnia..
And something more:
Bigger screen (space is there), about 4"
Little External screen to easy use with lid closed
DBTV? Why not? Nokia N96 will have...
As said, the most possible slim to easier fit in pocket.
Well, I don't think this is a "dream", but actually possible... Who knows if I just described the... HTC Dream! It would be the first Android device, even if it isn't a clamshell

Agreed, Universal screen was definitely a eye catcher compared to the lousy QVGA screen I am having on my TyTN II currently
Universal has dedicated graphics driver that beats the crap out of TyTN II lousy default graphic driver in terms of video playing and games
I could get 40-50 fps constant playing Playstation 1 Final Fantasy VII on my previous Universal, but I never bother trying it on my TyTN II, as I already know the result
Whats more, erm, oh yeah, 3.5 mm headphone jack that is literally plug and play with default headphones in the market, sure beats TyTN II mini USB jack
Better processor on the Universal too, 520mhz
The only thing universal sucks is having no GPS and the form factor is bulky and ugly

/b/-TarD said:
Agreed, Universal screen was definitely a eye catcher compared to the lousy QVGA screen I am having on my TyTN II currently
Universal has dedicated graphics driver that beats the crap out of TyTN II lousy default graphic driver in terms of video playing and games
I could get 40-50 fps constant playing Playstation 1 Final Fantasy VII on my previous Universal, but I never bother trying it on my TyTN II, as I already know the result
Whats more, erm, oh yeah, 3.5 mm headphone jack that is literally plug and play with default headphones in the market, sure beats TyTN II mini USB jack
Better processor on the Universal too, 520mhz
The only thing universal sucks is having no GPS and the form factor is bulky and ugly
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Yeah, I would agree that the device could be a little thiner, however I would not want to loose the big screen! So if it has to be that big then it´s fine to me, besides it still fits almost anyones pockets, compared to the Athena!

branko.savic said:
Yeah, I would agree that the device could be a little thiner, however I would not want to loose the big screen! So if it has to be that big then it´s fine to me, besides it still fits almost anyones pockets, compared to the Athena!
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It will still be looking ok, if its in a slider form, or maybe forgo the keyboard like the XDA IIi, it looks like a pocket dictionary or some calendar devices, but not a PDA
And oh, holding the Universal during a call is described as having a pancake on your face by my friend , lol
Well, my girl friends drools over my TyTN 2 but not the Universal, so go figures

dagosjt said:
I remember here in Italy Universal started to sell about 1000 euros in september 2005!!!
I bought secondhand on ebay in November 2006 for about 300 euros, when finally reached my pockets . Sometime consumism can be convenient ;-)
Last year I broke the LCD screen and I decided to replace it because no other phone was "au-pair".
Now I was tempted by Samsung Omnia, but deal-breaker for me it's screen resolution. If I could find somebody able to upgrade RAM here in Italy I would do it immediately.
However the Omnia is there to show us that is possible to have a slimmer Universal, I hope without losing any characteristic (I use infrared to remote control my TV/Sat etc. for example, so let it there, or I could easily put 16 Gb using SDHC, so no microSDHC please etc.) but adding:
5.0 Mpx camera
GPS of course
256 Mb RAM
8 Gb Internal Storage
TV out
FM Radio
Exactly like Omnia..
And something more:
Bigger screen (space is there), about 4"
Little External screen to easy use with lid closed
DBTV? Why not? Nokia N96 will have...
As said, the most possible slim to easier fit in pocket.
Well, I don't think this is a "dream", but actually possible... Who knows if I just described the... HTC Dream! It would be the first Android device, even if it isn't a clamshell
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You should check out this site for an upgrade! It´s in Germany and that would probably be your best choice if you want the upgrade done. Just send them the device and a letter what you want them to do and you should be fine!
I have also been thinking the same thing as you, the screen should be bigger becouse there is enough space to fit it in there!
Also it would be nice to lose the border around the screen, and make it flat!

/b/-TarD said:
It will still be looking ok, if its in a slider form, or maybe forgo the keyboard like the XDA IIi, it looks like a pocket dictionary or some calendar devices, but not a PDA
And oh, holding the Universal during a call is described as having a pancake on your face by my friend , lol
Well, my girl friends drools over my TyTN 2 but not the Universal, so go figures
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The reason your girl friend drools over the TYTN II is probably that it looks more like a phone then a pda/laptop!
But if you look at the performance and the usability I would take the uni over the Tytn II any time! Besides I also own a Tytn II, but I use the uni alot more!

dagosjt said:
I remember here in Italy Universal started to sell about 1000 euros in september 2005!!!
I bought secondhand on ebay in November 2006 for about 300 euros, when finally reached my pockets . Sometime consumism can be convenient ;-)
Last year I broke the LCD screen and I decided to replace it because no other phone was "au-pair".
Now I was tempted by Samsung Omnia, but deal-breaker for me it's screen resolution. If I could find somebody able to upgrade RAM here in Italy I would do it immediately.
However the Omnia is there to show us that is possible to have a slimmer Universal, I hope without losing any characteristic (I use infrared to remote control my TV/Sat etc. for example, so let it there, or I could easily put 16 Gb using SDHC, so no microSDHC please etc.) but adding:
5.0 Mpx camera
GPS of course
256 Mb RAM
8 Gb Internal Storage
TV out
FM Radio
Exactly like Omnia..
And something more:
Bigger screen (space is there), about 4"
Little External screen to easy use with lid closed
DBTV? Why not? Nokia N96 will have...
As said, the most possible slim to easier fit in pocket.
Well, I don't think this is a "dream", but actually possible... Who knows if I just described the... HTC Dream! It would be the first Android device, even if it isn't a clamshell
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Ok the Omnia have some nice stuff... but what about the nice keyboard we have in Uni´s? if you ever used a device with no keyboard you will agree with me that is not the same.
Just my opinion...
Cheers

Nobody mentioned HTC Omni, it should be new Universal.
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orb3000 said:
Ok the Omnia have some nice stuff... but what about the nice keyboard we have in Uni´s? if you ever used a device with no keyboard you will agree with me that is not the same.
Just my opinion...
Cheers
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Infact I said I hope to don't lose any characteristic (I mentioned infrared, "full" SD slot, now I can add keyboard, etc.) AND to add some Omnia features
So I totally agree with you about keyboard. My idea was to point out that devices with great characteristics already exist
And yes, a way to make Universal thinner would be to have a "flat" screen too. Finally, I think final price could be way under 1000 euro, considering you pay Omnia in Italy 499 (officially, but I already found it around 440 on the net...)
However, I will not change my Universal until a similar form-factor phone will be build. Thanks to this forum it is always live!

branko.savic said:
You should check out this site for an upgrade! It´s in Germany and that would probably be your best choice if you want the upgrade done. Just send them the device and a letter what you want them to do and you should be fine!
I have also been thinking the same thing as you, the screen should be bigger becouse there is enough space to fit it in there!
Also it would be nice to lose the border around the screen, and make it flat!
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Thanks, I already thought about it, but I don't want to separate from the phone for long time. It's my only phone and I use massively every day, so my hope was to find a shop in Italy so to finish the job in few days and without risks of expeditions.
However I was able to use the most memory hungry programs I use tweaking them, like Opera, iGo8, and WAD2, so I don't have so many problems... Of course, it would be cool to let run programs like PocketCM, S2U2 and others which take a lot of memory in VGA...

igord said:
Nobody mentioned HTC Omni, it should be new Universal.
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But this nice gadget not have a real release date, hopefully I am worng, but I don´t think this device will ever appear.........
Same as with Imate Ultimate 7150
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_7150-1882.php
Cheers

Yes I know I-mate cancelled many great devices, but I hope HTC wont do the same thing.