Hello Folks,
I've been using my Vogue to do some downloads and have noticed that I cannot download anything much larger than 80MB, even if I have a 2GB SD card and plenty of storage space left. Yesterday I tried to download a file of about 100MB, it appeared to have downloaded to the end, but I got a disk full error message and the file was essentially lost. When I checked my internal memory before clicking the "disk full" dialog box, it was indeed full. However I wasn't able to identify where the file was. I always setup my downloads to go to the storage card.
Is this device limited to download chunks that can fit into its system memory or part of it? In other words, is it possible to force saving files directly onto the storage card instead of system memory like it seems to be doing now? Is this a limitation of the browser (Opera 8.65), of the operating system (WM 6.1) or is this a limitation of the hardware itself (the CDMA version of the HTC Touch, aka the Vogue)?
TIA for your responses!
Don't know. I have not tried downloading a file larger than 10M before. I don't have a data plan plan so anything that I need to download I was my laptop. I seems like downloading a 100M file would be painfully slow using your phone.
I do not think there is a limit. I have DLed 350mb phone sized movies a few times.
I do think your problem is related to the browser? When I try to DL a file off the net through IE it does not ask me where I would like to save the file, (it used to in 6.1, but no longer does in 6.5) and it automatically DLs to My Documents on the phones internal memory. This woul mean I could not DL a file larger then my remaining space that's available. I use Opera Mobile 10 now and it allows me to select my storage card as DL location.
it seems to me that it cache's the file on the phone then copies to the sdcard, i think there is a registry setting somewhere to make it cache it to the sdcard...i would check here at xda or at ppcgeeks.com
jadesse: being on dial-up, that is painfully slow! Getting the unlimited mobile browser was exactly the idea, because until recently there were no other options but dial-up where I live. Even at the edge of the cell, at 300Kb/s to 600Kb/s, my speeds are 5-10 times faster than dial-up... An our new ADSL, that we just got in the area after a 10 year wait, maxes out at 3.5 Mb/s...
skydirt: OK - so if IIUC, you've been able to download 350MB files in one shot, using Opera 10, without getting 'disk full' issues? On the Vogue?
Opera 8.65 does]/i] let me select the storage card as a location. That's what I've been doing all along. I just can't download files of the 100MB or around size or larger. It's as if it was downloading on internal memory then at the end of the download transfering (writing) it to the storage card.
How is Opera 10? Is it as good as Opera 10 for the desktop? Is it stylus friendly? Is it a free upgrade? (never mind, I see it's a beta - it will expire...)
jamezelle: could you be more specific? I've looked into it and there are some edits for temporary IE files location, which I will try. However, this is only applicable to IE... I will test both this tweak on IE and see whether Opera Mobile has some similar setting... Thanks for the tip!
Thanks for all your responses, folks, it's much appreciated!
Success
I just tried a large (98MB) download and worked fine... It took forever to finalize at the end of the download, but it worked!
I used the settings explained here
jamezelle, thanks again for steering me the right way!
Now does anyone know how to make Rapidshare work from Opera Mobile? I know, it's an incredibly frustrating site even under the best conditions, who knows why so may people put up with it and actually use it to upload files, but the fact is, as horrible as it is, it's still the most popular, it would be nice if it could be made to work with Opera Mobile...
Old faithful said:
I just tried a large (98MB) download and worked fine... It took forever to finalize at the end of the download, but it worked!
I used the settings explained here
jamezelle, thanks again for steering me the right way!
Now does anyone know how to make Rapidshare work from Opera Mobile? I know, it's an incredibly frustrating site even under the best conditions, who knows why so may people put up with it and actually use it to upload files, but the fact is, as horrible as it is, it's still the most popular, it would be nice if it could be made to work with Opera Mobile...
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Rapidshare works on Opera Mobile 9.5 and above in my own experience. As for 8.65, never used it so I wouldn't know how to get it to work. If anything, just get your hands on NFSFAN's custom Opera build (It's in his thread). Alternatively, you can try out the Opera Mobile 10 Beta (link).
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Has anybody else had an issue with trying to get large files onto the microdrive?
By large, I'm talking on the order of over 1gb.
Using the default route, of course activesync gets into the mix and has to get its grubby little paws onto the file to see if it needs conversion. It doesn't. But I can start the copy process (from my computer hard disk) and it will never stop and there is no progress on the progress bar.
I've also tried using wm5storage but also had no luck.
At this point I may have to find a large miniSD card and just copy files directly to that using a card reader and then insert that into my x7501.
jstimson said:
Has anybody else had an issue with trying to get large files onto the microdrive?
By large, I'm talking on the order of over 1gb.
Using the default route, of course activesync gets into the mix and has to get its grubby little paws onto the file to see if it needs conversion. It doesn't. But I can start the copy process (from my computer hard disk) and it will never stop and there is no progress on the progress bar.
I've also tried using wm5storage but also had no luck.
At this point I may have to find a large miniSD card and just copy files directly to that using a card reader and then insert that into my x7501.
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I had copied 3.8 GB size files using wm5torage without problem. The only thing you have to be aware is that the latest wm5torage posted on modaco is buggy, and would drop out before you could finish copy. After testing it for a while, I went 2 version back, and it works everytime, perfectly. The drawback of this application is sometimes it is difficult to get it working, if you have other programs or plugins running. The way to overcome it is to do a soft reset then run wm5torage (old version only, remember). You must have activesync installed on your pc.
I had also tried card export II. However, this application is still a little strange, in that sometimes it wants you to reinstall it again and again. But once reinstalled, I could use it. The advantage of this application is that, once you have reinstalled it (although you have already installed it!), your pc need not have activesync, and you don't need to worry about the other programs or plugins.
Hope this helps.
jstimson said:
Has anybody else had an issue with trying to get large files onto the microdrive?
By large, I'm talking on the order of over 1gb.
Using the default route, of course activesync gets into the mix and has to get its grubby little paws onto the file to see if it needs conversion. It doesn't. But I can start the copy process (from my computer hard disk) and it will never stop and there is no progress on the progress bar.
I've also tried using wm5storage but also had no luck.
At this point I may have to find a large miniSD card and just copy files directly to that using a card reader and then insert that into my x7501.
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I do tranfer 2 or 3 700-750Mb avi files at the same time via AS. No problems at all. After each file, it pauses as if to cache, then starts loading/transferring to microdrive. Sometimes the pauses last up to a minute or more. I used to worry before. Now I just leave it, go do something else and its copying by the time I get back. it's not the same as 1 huge file but...........
I hope this helps.
I use Resco Exporer to map a drive from my desktop and pull files down over wifi. This seems to be more reliable than AS.
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I use Resco Exporer to map a drive from my desktop and pull files down over wifi. This seems to be more reliable than AS.
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I do this also but takes far too long to transfer anything big, I did that the other night transfering some albums to MD. what took an hour could have been done in 6 min with wmstorage.
I wanted to pass on that I've had really good luck with a fix for the OOM issue. I've been able to browse through my twitter page and all of the icons on the side (brianlayman if you want to exchange follows) and then load my replies page and then do the acid test of scrolling around the not-logged-in my.yahoo.com page while it was loading before I got 1 out of memory error. I still need to do more testing and I did get more errors after that point. BUT that still is a VAST improvement over how it worked before.
You could do this through an INI edit, as was suggested on the opera forums, but I did it through browsing to opera:config.
Basically you create a directory on your SD card "\Storage Card\Cache" or something similar, and then change the "Cache directory 4" setting under User Prefs to use that directory instead of your phone memory. Additionally, you should radically increase the size of the cache directory.
I've changed some other things around to try and get improvements too. These include Moving downloads up to the card. I also changed a CachRAM setting and I;m not sure what does... I've even moved the rooot opera directory up to the SD card. It doesn't make the error go away completely, but it is possible to actually USE the browser now.
Any other thoughts on the matter are welcomed.
OOM Opera 9.5 Beta Issue
I'm having the same issue with this version of Opera, but I'm loving (trying) to use it, and it's great until I reproduce this error. Can you give a step by step as to how you changed the config file. I can't even find it on my phone. Thanks
yes please. a step by step walk-through would be greatly appreciated. i had given up on the opera mobile beta, but if you could explain exactly what you did, id love to give it a try. thank you. dschoenike
damionm said:
I'm having the same issue with this version of Opera, but I'm loving (trying) to use it, and it's great until I reproduce this error. Can you give a step by step as to how you changed the config file. I can't even find it on my phone. Thanks
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You have to navigate to "opera:config" in the 9.5 browser and it opens up a SLEW of settings. Very slick way to get into the config and change locally. I think once you have made the updates it'll save to the config file on the phone.
type in opera:config in address bar.
Scroll down to User Pref.
Change Cache Dir.
Correct.
To be clear, I am still getting out of memory errors. But less of them. It depends upon the site I am browsing. I mostly use twitter and brightkite from the phone. Bright kite seems to kick a lot of the errors.
I, too, am getting fewer out-of-memory errors, thanks to these two fixes. But won't our fixes be overwritten each time we load a new beta?
I doubt it, but hopefully with a new beta, this problem will go a away.
If you want to make sure that you keep your changes, backup the \Application Data\Opera 9.5\ folder and you can copy it back on when you want to.
People, get Skyfire and do away with all that confusion!
Have it. Prefer Opera.
opera #1
yea skyfire is alright but it does not support every website like it claims to. I too prefer opera.. when ever it begins to support flash I will remove skyfire.
omair2005 said:
type in opera:config in address bar.
Scroll down to User Pref.
Change Cache Dir.
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I made a folder for it on my storage card:
\Storage Card\Opera 9.5 Beta\cache\ it doesn't save it... or goes back to application data (rom)
I renamed it... it changes the directory but when you exit out. It goes back to Application Data..
How do you safe it? Or keep it from changing directories?
Nevermind, I found info here: http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/howto/how_to_move_the_cache_in_opera.html
I'd love to see a version of 9.5 that works with the Mogul, I tried some of the tweaks here with little improvement. Right now, I use mini for general browsing and 8.65 when I need to download something. Skyfire is close to being usable, but it uses too much mem compared to Opera, d/l is all but unusable and it has some interface quirks and slowdowns that make it frustrating to use. 9.5 and Skyfire are still beta's, so there's hope for the future.
i have used the opera beta and liked it i wish it supported flash,
and i have skyfire but i actually missing being able to have multiple tabs
Hello,
I'm user of elf (MDA Touch) and I use Onyx 3.0 ROM. When I launch Opera it's ok, but when I use it for about 15 minutes it shows a warning message, that says „the phone is low in storage memory“ or something (i think it means low RAM?). How to solve this issue?
Thanks
I too have opera 9.5. I use both the opera browser, as well as the IE browser (interchangeably). From what I see, whenever you surf web pages that has a lot of content (especially alot of images), the phone stores the data, even after closing the web pages. What I have to constantly keep doing is, delete the history, cookies & cache to free up the space, which eliminates the low memory messages, until the memory gets full again. It seems like after 4 to 5 large web pages, then I get the message of low memory. I sometimes get a critical low message (LOL).
For me, this is a big pain in the butt, and unfortunatly, I don't know any ways around it. Maybe there is a software that can monitor, and maintain a certain amount of space, to prevent this problem from happening; maybe we can start there.
Also maybe someone else could chime in with a solution.
i've seen opera running on both Elf and Elfin... it works without a glitch on the Elfin
but problems appear when i use it on Elf... same memory problems :S
we just need a good application that can free up (a loooott) of RAM...
As far as I have understood it's mainly the cache that eats up your memory. I found a way to store Opera cache on the storage card (well, I found a guide on the internet). It worked great untill I had a couple of tabs open (I guess tabs are stored in phone memory). But it helped a lot storing the cache on the storage card.
Instructions can be found here: http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/howto/how_to_move_the_cache_in_opera.html
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Instructions can be found here: http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/howto/how_to_move_the_cache_in_opera.html
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naah... tried it... same Low memory problem...
Yes! We need something that could monitor, and delete (if selected) the cache files on the fly (automatically) to maintain a certain amount of memory.
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Yes! We need something that could monitor, and delete (if selected) the cache files on the fly (automatically) to maintain a certain amount of memory.
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Moving cache to SD won't help much. Main problem is that Opera keeps thumbnail of page and it's full view in RAM. Wait for release of Fennec (Firefox Mobile), maybe it will work better.
Your total solution
I just found this on a thread.
www.skyfire.com
This thing even plays youtube videos directly.
I can play flash games on this browser too
DubThroatflex said:
Hello,
I'm user of elf (MDA Touch) and I use Onyx 3.0 ROM. When I launch Opera it's ok, but when I use it for about 15 minutes it shows a warning message, that says „the phone is low in storage memory“ or something (i think it means low RAM?). How to solve this issue?
Thanks
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try the Onyx Jr. you will get more memory...
dun use opera 9, use Esmertec Java with Opera Mini....
you will never turn back....lol..
got the same problem
When I try to download cabs or other files directly with Opera Mobile, and it seems especially when I'm changing the save location to my sd card instead of the internal memory "My Documents" default location, I really often get as a result corrupted files that have not the same size as the original files even if the opera download manager show the file green as successfully downloaded.
If I download the file again on the same location then eventually the file is ok.
If I download the files with another browser, or if I copy the file from my computer in SD card I have not the issue.
So I suppose this is a Opera Mobile bug ? Maybe in the save dialog window when changing the location to SD card some part of the file that was already downloaded on internal memory is lost ?
- Do you experience the same issue ?
- As a workaround, do you know a way to set a default download folder to the SD card ?
Thanks,
Nibbler.
it's opera, I have this bug on other phones.
Thank you for confirmation that it's opera related.
Can you also confirm it seems to happen when you change the location where you want to save the file ? Or does it also happens without changing the save location ?
Have you found a workaround ? It's really annoying not to be able to trust the downloaded files are ok and have to double check or re-download them again
I don't have a work around but this happened to me when saving to my phones built-in memory last night - but one I downloaded today worked perfectly. I guess the workaround would be "use PIE" but given that Opera runs so well on the Snapdragon processor (I hated it on my diamond, it was so slow and horrible to use) I don't want to leave it!
I've only ever had 1 file corrupted whilst downloading in Opera, but find it much more favourable to use than IE. IE seems to randomly rename files whilst downloading, giving them new file extensions so that you have to rename them manually (eg. cab files becoming tsk files!)
And incidentally...
Lord.Nibbler said:
So I suppose this is a Opera Mobile bug ? Maybe in the save dialog window when changing the location to SD card some part of the file that was already downloaded on internal memory is lost ?
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It does sound like the bug is in Opera, but downloads are done to a temporary area, not your selected download location, and then copied to your selected location when complete. Just don't want you chasing something that's not there, as changing the location during download will have no effect.
I agree with you ... I don't want to leave Opera it is far better than PIE !
Yet it is quite unpleasant to have to switch between Opera and PIE for downloads just because of this bug !
Maybe if we are enough people to bash HTC / Opera support to release a fix we could get an upgrade
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I agree with you ... I don't want to leave Opera it is far better than PIE !
Yet it is quite unpleasant to have to switch between Opera and PIE for downloads just because of this bug !
Maybe if we are enough people to bash HTC / Opera support to release a fix we could get an upgrade
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Definitely an Opera issue, and not a HTC issue, or it would happen in other apps too.
Have you tried Opera 10? I know it's not a solution, but I'm just curious to see if the problem exists in that version also.
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It does sound like the bug is in Opera, but downloads are done to a temporary area, not your selected download location, and then copied to your selected location when complete. Just don't want you chasing something that's not there, as changing the location during download will have no effect.
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Ok ... that was just an idea
Yet it definitely seems to happen often to me when I change location to sd card instead of letting the file download to its default internal memory location
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Definitely an Opera issue, and not a HTC issue, or it would happen in other apps too.
Have you tried Opera 10? I know it's not a solution, but I'm just curious to see if the problem exists in that version also.
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Last time I tried it (it was beta 1 I think) it didn't had pinch to zoom, and the "text reflow" was awful without any way to configure it in opera:config "adaptative zoom" so I uninstalled waiting for a more mature release
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Last time I tried it (it was beta 1 I think) it didn't had pinch to zoom, and the "text reflow" was awful without any way to configure it in opera:config "adaptative zoom" so I uninstalled waiting for a more mature release
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Yeah, I totally agree. It was a step backward with the missing functionality.
I just wondered if you'd noticed this particular issue with it. Basically, if you approach Opera and tell them about an issue in 9.7 and their answer is "It's fixed in 10", you're stuck with it.
Also, worth mentioning, I always save to my storage card, so every single download I've ever done with Opera has had the location changed during download. Like I said, it's only happened to me once.
Strange
No I hadn't yet approached Opera / HTC ... was waiting for confirmation from our beloved XDA community first
And I continue to say Opera / HTC on purpose even if I know it is specifically an Opera bug ... because even if the developer is Opera, the specific installed pinch to zoom release is bought from Opera and sold to us by HTC.
So to avoid as you said to be stuck with a buggy 9.7 when the 10 will be fixed and mature enough I think we should send complaints to HTC to have a fixed pinch to zoom enabled 9.7 or a fixed pinch to zoom / text reflow enabled 10
Do you always save to storage card changing manually the location in save dialog ? Or have you found a trick to automatically set the SD card as the default download location ?
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Do you always save to storage card changing manually the location in save dialog ? Or have you found a trick to automatically set the SD card as the default download location ?
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Oh I wish I'd found a way to default to a folder location of my choice, but no, I manually change it every time. I also have the issue where I have CoPilot on my SD card, and it was the 1st thing on there, so my folder list in the save as dialog is simply a list of CoPilot folders and subfolders. I always save to the root of the storage card as I don't really have any other sensible option.
Where there isn't simply a treeview I'll never know!
I unfortunately totally agree with you, I'm also p*ssed of by this folder list which also force me to save to SD root !
I'm just puzzled how nice a software as opera can also mix inside such pathetic issues
When I'll contact support I will also mention this one
Any update of the folder/subfolder download location listing?
Other browsers, Skyfire and IE don't have this issue so why can't Opera fix it? Like others have said you have little choice but to use the root of the storage card if you prefer external downloads. It is not even in full alphabetical order, seem to choose folder/subfolders at random!
I am receiving the current message on my hd2 and would like to know how i can repair the problem as it keeps popping up on the screen all the time
'Storage memory is critically low. If the storage memory is not increased, other programs may not be able to start. Use File Explorer to delete files that are no longer needed or move some files to a storage card'
Any advice please?
Simple advice- you've got too much installed or saved to internal memory rather than the storage card.
Common culprits are browser caches for PIE and Opera, the HTC Album cache, media files like videos, music and pictures etc.
Use File Explorer to look in all the sub folders of My Documents as a starting point. Try moving all the big files over the the storage card.
Download Treeview from Microsoft Marketplace- it's free and can show you where all the storage memory is going.
should i do this through the phone direct or the pc?
khush10 said:
should i do this through the phone direct or the pc?
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You can do either- as long as you connect using ActiveSync rather than Disk Drive mode.
Using the PC is probably a slightly easier experience as Windows Explorer is more informative than the mobile version!
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Download Treeview from Microsoft Marketplace- it's free and can show you where all the storage memory is going.
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no such app
i cannot get marketplace to work, it says that theres no data connection detected, but its on and my wi-fi is on too?
So i keep on retrying but still no joy!
...Read the post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600578
...I use a program for clean memory: SKTOOLS and it works ok
...there are other programs like cleanram...but i haven´t experience with them
...good luck
to be honest, i did not think i will have to go through all this, i thought that the phone would have been more simple to use rather than the link suggested, install this and edit that, i would have thought that the phone would already be setup correctly, instead my phone has become another job itself!
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to be honest, i did not think i will have to go through all this, i thought that the phone would have been more simple to use rather than the link suggested, install this and edit that, i would have thought that the phone would already be setup correctly, instead my phone has become another job itself!
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Welcome to the world of Windows Mobile
khush10 said:
to be honest, i did not think i will have to go through all this, i thought that the phone would have been more simple to use rather than the link suggested, install this and edit that, i would have thought that the phone would already be setup correctly, instead my phone has become another job itself!
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You don't have to do all that. It works great out of the box as well. Those are just possibilities, to customize it and tweak it.
Uninstall everything you have installed on your phone and reinstall it to the storage card. Always install applications to the storage card. That should fix your 'problem'.
Additionally, open the File Explorer, go to \Windows and delete the folder YouTube. That gives you additional free space but the folder comes back when you watch YouTube videos, so you can do this from time to time.
can i drag and drop my applications folder into the storage card via the pc?
Yes, but then the links in the start menu won't work anymore. Think of what happens when you move the Program Files folder on your PC. It's the same here.
can someone give me a step by step guide for doing this task please.
Go to Settings, Manage Applications, Uninstall Applications. There, uninstall all the applications you have installed to teh main memory.
Then reinstall them, this time to the storage card.
And delete the YouTube cache from time to time.
When we're speaking of free storage memory, how much memory do you all have free?
Mine is around 20 mb, is it to small?
Beacuse when i watched a video on youtube i got the same message as in the first post.
freyberry said:
Go to Settings, Manage Applications, Uninstall Applications. There, uninstall all the applications you have installed to teh main memory.
Then reinstall them, this time to the storage card.
And delete the YouTube cache from time to time.
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All i have in the remove programs section is 'MarketPlace' and no other applications?
khush10 said:
All i have in the remove programs section is 'MarketPlace' and no other applications?
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As I suggested in the earlier post, this is nothing to do with installed programs- most of those are pretty small and are unlikely to be grabbing the majority of your memory.
It is most likely that you have allowed some large files to be stored in the main memory. By default the phone DOES store most big user files like photos and videos on a storage card, but perhaps that has been altered somewhere?
You need to use a file finding utility to sort this- if Treesize is not available in your locality via Marketplace (or you can't access Marketplace) then you can try Spacefinder, a tiny, free program that will sort your files and folders in order of size, giving a hint as to where the memory may have gone. You can also download Treesize Mobile direct from Jam Software
Stuff like CleanRAM, SKTools etc is OK for clearing RAM but has no effect on Storage Memory apart from clearing some caches, though this can help a lot.
One other tip- as has been suggested, try and install programs onto a storage card, but not if they are system programs like Today plug-ins or keyboards etc. These must go into device memory otherwise you may get some startup errors.
This baffles me. I have just got an HD2 to replace my HD - I started to put exactly the same programs onto the HD2 as I had previously installed on my HD (I install all programs on the device). I got the low memory warning long before I put all the programmes on - on a brand new device with no internet browsing/video/music on device itself.
My HD has more memory than my HD2 - how is that possible?
None of these explanations seem to explain how this happens on my HD2 but not my old HD. I have NEVER had a low memory warning on my HD despite having used it for over a year and having installed more on it than I have managed on the HD2.
I have recently found the pre-installed Google Maps created a cache folder in device memory and pumped it up to 25 Megs. Deleted it of course.
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This baffles me. I have just got an HD2 to replace my HD - I started to put exactly the same programs onto the HD2 as I had previously installed on my HD (I install all programs on the device). I got the low memory warning long before I put all the programmes on - on a brand new device with no internet browsing/video/music on device itself.
My HD has more memory than my HD2 - how is that possible?
None of these explanations seem to explain how this happens on my HD2 but not my old HD. I have NEVER had a low memory warning on my HD despite having used it for over a year and having installed more on it than I have managed on the HD2.
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The HD2 has more memory (ROM) but a huge chunk (150MB) is taken up by all the HTC Sense gubbins, leaving a relatively smaller amount free to the user. Ultra light cooked ROMs give about 150MB more ROM, and light ROMs about 100MB more than the default ROM.
It also seems that a lot of caching is going on- Album, Googlemaps, Browsers etc eating up ROM.