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TouchFlo (Manila) will die ... "HTC Sense" is on the way!

Hi everybody,
i just found this http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=103534&lang=1033
If you scroll down a little bit you'll find:
HTC Sense
Built on a culture of innovation and a passion to enhance peoples lives, HTC shapes the mobile experience around the individual. Debuting on the HTC Hero and available on all new HTC devices moving forward, Sense delivers on three basic principles: Make it Mine, Stay Close and Discover the Unexpected.
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A nice Video can be watched here (ok ... it's Hero => Android, but should look similiar on WinMo-Devices ... except Multi-Finger-Gestures)
Watch how it works with Flash here
IMHO this looks very promising
@Developers:
What do you think ... will this be running on our belowed Blackstones?
@Mods:
If this is the wrong Forum, please move this Thread.
Thanks in advice.
kind regards
fwt
PS: I'm off for a short Holiday ... better said long Weekend. Having some recreation!

fwt said:
Hi everybody,
i just found this http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=103534&lang=1033
If you scroll down a little bit you'll find:
A nice Video can be watched here (ok ... it's Hero => Android, but should look similiar on WinMo-Devices ... except Multi-Finger-Gestures)
Watch how it works with Flash here
IMHO this looks very promising
@Developers:
What do you think ... will this be running on our belowed Blackstones?
@Mods:
If this is the wrong Forum, please move this Thread.
Thanks in advice.
kind regards
fwt
PS: I'm off for a short Holiday ... better said long Weekend. Having some recreation!
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Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device

I bet that 90% of the cooked HD-roms will contain that interface within the next 6 months
And it looks very promising
greetz

It is new UI for Android OS, HTC loves to make UI for different OS
Windows Mobile ==> Touch FLO 3D
Android ==> HTC Sense
I love it's analog clock
I want it

Fallen Spartan said:
Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device
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Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh

touch flo is old now, we want to see something new on wm.

NRGZ28 said:
Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh
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That sounds petty cool !
Did your preview ROM (released as a preview around the 16th june) is built using Manila or is it a WM version of HTC sense ?
I used it a few hours and was very nice

Yep
That would be also cool if htc would make a plugin system for manila (on futur htc sense) like on WM6.5 main interface to make it easy to develop new tabs (I want a twitter tab )

NRGZ28 said:
Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh
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looks like you have seen something???

it won't take long until my blackstone is found on ebay... i think i was just waiting for the "reason"... and here it is! amazing, amazing software. i feel pity of the current windows mobile when i look at iphone and android's OS... ah! not to mention the marvelous Palm Pre.

i thought it is for android? HTC Hero is an android rite?

citrix80 said:
touch flo is old now, we want to see something new on wm.
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i second that and i thought i read somewhere that it is coming to WM as well so keep fingers crossed

It's pretty much just a reshuffled Touch Flo with more fancy effects, I won't say no when it's availiable but nor am I going to desperate to get my hands on it.

Samsung Jet will play flash pages
Nokia N97 will play flash pages
Windows cannot dissappointed to find out after getting the first PPC

Fallen Spartan said:
Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device
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You wil see it soon on a Windows Mobile Phone with android running on it

hey, just ordered a blackstone a few days ago... and saw HTC sense today. I just want it! what do you think, will HTC sense be available for the blackstone too?
just read the posts above, maybe it will be available, maybe there will be a new WM touchflo version... in your opinion, should I leave my order, buy a blackstone and hope for HTC sense made available for it, or should I wait for more HTC sense devices like the hero?
a really really hard decision!
thx!

This is another reason why we need Android on the HD. HTC Sense is so much more fluid and finger friendly.

absolutely. this is a MUST HAVE. can't imagine better then HD with sense...

LOL - Talk about wishful thinking.
HTC no longer support the Touch HD, theres no way you're going to see such an update for it.

would be interesting where you've read/heard/got that info? I just read an article, John Wang: "HTC Sense will be available for Android AND Windows Mobile devices in the near future." (tecchannel.de, in german)

HTC Hero interface

any chance to get it working on rhodium??
see the video...
http://www.macitynet.it/macity/aA38603/htc_hero_arriva_il_terzo_android_con_nuova_interfaccia.shtml

Nice interface, but I think it's a very long way off any hope of being ported for the Rhodium, and thats if anyone sees it as a great advantage. It would be a massive project.
Seems to be largely based on TF3D, just remoulded, and probably re-engineered. Looks a lot smoother, but then again it's only a video and they can make it look as smooth as they like! Certainly has all the trademarks of a HTC interface though....like a cross between TF3D and PointUI.
When is this device out anyway? It would be typical of HTC to announce a new one, only weeks after we've all forked out for our Rhodiums!

here's hoping HTC bundle something similar with their 6.5 update for the rhodium!

We shouldn't need to port it.
In a press release HTC have stated that the Sense UI will be rolled out across all HTC handsets, regardless of OS.
Check front page of my site in my link for more details (don't want to spam this forum as I like it here )

jeah i think the will develope it for win mobile 6.5 and android. so we can hope this interface wil come to our TP2

lhwparis said:
jeah i think the will develope it for win mobile 6.5 and android. so we can hope this interface wil come to our TP2
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i hope so...but knowing htc i think the new interface will be available for new devices (devices released after the HTC Hero...)...i hope im wrong...

I don't think so, they have promised upgrades to 6.5 for diamond 2 and touch pro 2 owners (as part of the sales blurb) and i imagine this is their big push at doing something different, creating a consistent user interface throughout their range regardless of OS.
I think they really want to dominate and they're certainly doing a good job so far.
Now if only I could get flash working with the default browser...

dazkeirle said:
We shouldn't need to port it.
In a press release HTC have stated that the Sense UI will be rolled out across all HTC handsets, regardless of OS.
Check front page of my site in my link for more details (don't want to spam this forum as I like it here )
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yeah, I have checked it but it also say that it will be available on all new HTC devices moving forward this takes TP2 out of the loop as it is older. Unless they will plan it for the promised WM6.5 version ..

Either way if it's coming to newer devices I'm sure the geniuses here can work out a way to get it running on the TP2 without much effort

this Hero (HTC Sense) really really adorable
Tried android with Raphael, i love the new OS experience

dazultra2000 said:
Either way if it's coming to newer devices I'm sure the geniuses here can work out a way to get it running on the TP2 without much effort
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Exactly – thx God for XDA developers :-D
sometimes I wonder whether any other platform has such a great support .. well who cares … we DO :-D

Mashe said:
yeah, I have checked it but it also say that it will be available on all new HTC devices moving forward this takes TP2 out of the loop as it is older. Unless they will plan it for the promised WM6.5 version ..
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...as i said...

thats waht i said. i think the new interface will come with new windows mobile 6.5 devices. if we have a little luck the TP2 win6.5 update will come with this interface too

lhwparis said:
thats waht i said. i think the new interface will come with new windows mobile 6.5 devices. if we have a little luck the TP2 win6.5 update will come with this interface too
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and if not that XDA will (hopefully)

Do want!
Looks like a big improvement over TF3D.
Hopefully we'll get this in the official 6.5 upgrade...

yes yes
Lightbulb HTC Hero TF3D Manila 2.1 V2.0 on TP2
it works on mine TP2
cab fils @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538826

I believe this is called PointSense...
You can see more here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542107
Apparently this works but it's slower than the TF3D

Leo or Nokia N900

I'm anxious to know what you all think about the HTC Leo and the Nokia N900. Which of these two devices is a suitable repacement for our beloved Touch HD??
regards, Kuzibri

Leo........

ArtieQ said:
Leo........
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could you explain why?

kuzibri said:
could you explain why?
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I hate Nokia and love HTC?

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia and love HTC?
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not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?

kuzibri said:
not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?
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I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.
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N900 is not Symbian but Maemo (Linux)

i am actualy considering the N900 , i love HTC as a company ,
but i am very dissapointed from the HTC speed .
and because of that , the Leo is a device with strong processor , and a very bad OS.
if he had the N900 OS , or android , that was nice .
anyway , N900 for me !
and someone should tell HTC to stop sell a good device with bad OS !

Leo looks as though it could be a great device, but Windows Mobile 6.5 is just really starting to show its age and bulkiness(slow even on a Snapdragon). HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
I love my Touch HD, but compared to my friend's 3GS it doesn't have many strong points(and compared to the n900 it loses on all accounts). I'd still wait for more announcement concerning the Xperia X3 before making my final choice.

N900 is interesting but the "Landscape Only" is ugly... Linux OS makes it like PC and this is good but CPU/RAM/Battery moving it?
I have Touch HD and I don't think to buy Leo because no real improvements but not N900 too
I'm waiting for something in future
D'rath

I'm with you D'rath on this one as Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android. February 2010 is going to be an interesting month for sure!

I'l be waiting for Tegra/WinMo 7 before i change my HD

when i saw the leo video review i decided to keep my hd leo camera still sucks only improvement is the processor but in the review it is not also so fast don't differ allot the only issue with hd is that it will not get wm6.5 officially when talking about memo5 in nokia n900 it has not allot of applications and not good support for games and applications

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...Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android.
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Has it actually been announced or is it just more rumours?
If it's the former, do you have a link?

Toss3 said:
HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
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It was probably gimped because WM 6.5 only supports 65k colors... still.
The appeal of getting a enormous screen and a much faster processor in Leo is tempting. N900 is interesting, but being a completely new OS think it's best to wait and see. The X3 / SE Rachel also looks tasty, but again too few details to make it a sure-buy.
If nuerom can get overclocking working stablely on the MSM 720x devices I think I'll stay on HD for until end of next year at least

I got for the Leo, I will buy it when it hit the streets.
N900 is bulky compared to leo (because the hardward qwerty keyboard), Leo seems to be faster and more polished in the picture viewer and video playback. Not to mention the multitouch of Leo, wich can become a standard for WM7 and future high end devices.
So for leo:
+Multitouch
+4.3" screen
+I like touchflo
+I love TouchFlo3d
-Dont like WM 6.5 (perhaps with some tweking start menu can be set to work like 6.1,need to read further about this)
...and for Nokia:
+hardware qwerty
-Not symbian (how many aplicacions exist for that varely unused "new" os?)
-Not like the interface

I don't think I would spend that much money on a Htc Leo, and only get a litle faster, a bigger screen and multi touch. I would rather keep my HD, which can do almost anything that Leo can.
If i buy a new phone it has to be much better than the HD, the HD can do almost anything (with a leo rom, its even much better)
The N900 looks like a nice phone. A qwerty keyboard is nice, and I like on the first sight the new Linux os. But I will wait for a while till I get a new device.

n900 for me - I've had guts-full of winmo, and android just doesnt do it for me (dont really like the interface or the architecture tbh).
And btw to the people who say they 'love' these companies because of x, y or z - get real lol. the only time I can imagine someone loving a company is if they either work for that company and they are being paid to say it or they have developed some twisted form of Stockholm syndrome around their employer... if you don't fit into either of these categories, you are a fanboi idiot both are capitalist scumbag companies nearly as bad as apple they cant help it, its just how the world works.
as for the actual devices the n900 interests me greatly, being the smallest posix compliant device ever (afaik?). to 'tarded joe public that probably doesnt mean anything, but to a coder/geek its fantastic!
andriod imo is hacky and not very mmmm.. viable(?) for a range of application areas (e.g. video players?) - is it true that all the apps for android have to be written in java? for real? why?
to me, the n900 looks to be suffering from early run hw problems - these im told should be fixed in the 2nd and 3rd runs. as for the software, anything that is currently not working im very sure will be working very soon - simply due to the community around the device and the openness of the platform - this alone sets the n900 apart from everything else - including android (which although linux based, is very different) - a great example of this fact is the fmradio app (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fmradio/).
if i've offended you with my opinion in this post, you may consider yourself offended - i don't care!
so, come January, ill be picking up an n900 its the only path of progression for me. btw, if im wrong on anything here please correct me.
my 2p (;
fusi

I know people complain about HTC all the time (myself included) but they do produce nice phones. My main concern is that they create new phones all the time with no real improvement between them. I think you'll find the next release (or 2-3 after) will be the device worth moving to from the HD.
Also, I'm addicted like many other to flashing (phones ), customizing and tweaking my HD as well as finding new fixes, helping others and constantly being online at XDA. If I was to get the N900 I would lose all this.....................

i'm moving at the moment from the touch pro 2 to n900. why? because as someone posted above im sick of sloweliness of my device (altough latest AthineOS was excellent )
im also a flashing n customizing addict, and on every single device from htc ive had, after installing mod's the OS was simply slowing down.. even changing the wallpaper was a pain in the a**(especially in Manila- u know what i mean ).
im not saying that htc is crap or something, but n900 seems to better fit my needs now.
Getting it in couple days n we'll se was it worth going back to nokia ( god save me from that filthy n sh*tty Symbian) or not.
Surely i'll be missing htc in some way

Breaking news ! First windows 7 original rom is out !

It seems that the very first windows 7 rom is out ...it has appears here on xda and DA_g is already working on it..it seems that the first device to get the updates it will obviusly be the HD2...
Anyway I don't know what think, I'm not very impressed from windows phone 7, expecialy I don't want to lost manila..
here is the thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681659

cool news!!
maybe our s200 chiefs get it running on our devices ;-)

We should make some kind of fund to interest some people to port it to acer since there aren't that much developers for the neotouch?
Or is Arto or brainmaster interested?

it's not so easy ...at the moment just do the dumpo is preatty difficoult...don't expect anythin in the mid-term...

I am interested in cooking WM7 for NeoTouch, so i will stay in touch and follow the development of ROM.
Now i am on vacation and be back in 2 Weeks.

I will stay tuned too on this but I dont expect to much the possibility of cooking that...

as for me until microsoft don't bring multitasking and third party app support I'm not very interested to that...if I wanna an embedded device I would have bought a nokia or something else...

by the way I have seen the multitasking of the palm pixi...and I have to say that it's very nice ! would be awsome to bring that interface on windows mobile.
You can seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI5tLZH4nEY .arto what do you think ?

Getting wp7 on the acer s200 or any other qsd8xxxx platform device wont be as straight foward as it was getting 6.5 to our current devices, da-g has said it the devices will brick, jtag will be needed, and lots of other things will go wrong, wp7 wont be as easy as porting 6.5 to an arm7 device, this will require a lot of skill and luck and most of all time, i can bet my neck that we wont see a half working rom for atleast a year, hell maybe more, lets just be patient and hope that da_g can find a way to flash this new generation of rom's on to the current qsd8xxx platform devices.

I see, anyway as for me, until mocrosoft won't bring multitasking support and third party apps I'm not very interested in it ...

light_n_roses said:
by the way I have seen the multitasking of the palm pixi...and I have to say that it's very nice ! would be awsome to bring that interface on windows mobile.
You can seen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI5tLZH4nEY .arto what do you think ?
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:O very very nice, this is what i call multitasking .i really want to have this on my acer neotouch

Hoping that microsoft will release WP7 soon......

Another 'let's donate to con-men' thread... Forget it, if you need an iPhone go buy it and be happy... I don't get why those people've bought a 'classic' WM smartphone if they want a thing similar to iPhone/ Android (which is in fact, a substitute/clone of an iPhone)

[Q] wm7 on x10??

Hi Guys
i have a question it is possiple to port wm7 to x10?
or givs there any roms??
PS: sorry for my bad english =(

We can't either upgrade android version (maybe we can but not in 'full mode') and web should be able to port Wm7 (that couldn't either be ported yet to HD2) to our X10's?
Obviously no, we cant, and moreover, i think we will never can

x10i is a bad phone

Do you think so? ok your opinion. Im proud as a hell of my x10.
Regarding the question:
Maybe one day it might be possible, but i wouldnt be sure. eg. iphone is in progress of transcription to android, so maybe android will be transcripted to wm7, why not?

Kondzioz said:
Do you think so? ok your opinion. Im proud as a hell of my x10.
Regarding the question:
Maybe one day it might be possible, but i wouldnt be sure. eg. iphone is in progress of transcription to android, so maybe android will be transcripted to wm7, why not?
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I trink olso the x10 is an amazing phone
and Android 2.1 olso amazing but i think wm7 is from the designe better
and i would buy no wm7 Mobile because they look all agly
I hob that there were any devoper That make that possiple

The only thing tempting with wp7 for me is the xbox integration, would love to have that!
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

prolly the closest your gonna get
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=781455

i would think we might have a chance at porting wm7 to x10 when x7 is released and we have the rom for the x7... that would be ur best bet...

that'd be great but wonder if its possible

Until the bootloader is cracked (allowing us to install whatever ROMs we wish), it's pretty-much impossible we'd ever see any way of installing an alternate OS. Once the bootloader is cracked, if someone were to put forth the effort to port the OS and get things working, technically it should be possible.
My question though is: why?
I'm personally not convinced WP7 is worth anyone's time, especially since it's as closed as iOS. Mind as well get an iPhone.

Wp7 has minimum specs that x10 does not meet. It requires 512 MB ram
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i will never ever back to windows even if i had a chance to.
i used almost all of windows versions and they all sucks and lags alot and have many bugs ... unlike android.
that my opinuin