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Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK - is it blocked?

Hi all,
I am just wondering is the Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK blocked?
What it is, I just upgraded to the latest LVSW WM6 release from original T-Mobile WM5, and also installed the final Live Messenger cabs (from Black 3.0.1).
When I try to use sign in, it says there is a problem with my internet connection and won't connect. But it does trigger to GPRS connection, and also my IE and other programs can connect to the internet correctly.
So, I am wondering is Live Messenger blocked? Or is it a problem with my settings/installation?
Thanks.

wywywywy said:
Hi all,
I am just wondering is the Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK blocked?
What it is, I just upgraded to the latest LVSW WM6 release from original T-Mobile WM5, and also installed the final Live Messenger cabs (from Black 3.0.1).
When I try to use sign in, it says there is a problem with my internet connection and won't connect. But it does trigger to GPRS connection, and also my IE and other programs can connect to the internet correctly.
So, I am wondering is Live Messenger blocked? Or is it a problem with my settings/installation?
Thanks.
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Im thinking yes, since i cannot connect to IRC over tmobile either.

still working
I'm using live messenger with faria rom and i just tried it and still working

Below is T-Mobiles small print for their web'n'walk service, taken from this link:- http://www.powerupmobile.com/info-WebnWalk.htm
Subject to connection to Flext + web'n'walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. **Compatible handset required. Subject to coverage. Provides unlimited browsing on mobile handsets in the UK. Not applicable to connection via CSD. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a fair use policy applies. T-Mobile defines fair use as total UK data (both sent and received) of up to 1GB per month. T-Mobile may contact customers who exceed 1GB of data and ask them to reduce their usage. If data usage is not reduced, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied. Not to be used for other activities (including but not limited to) : modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video downloads, internet phone calls and instant messaging. If such use is detected, notice may be given after which network protection controls may be applied. The application of network protection controls will result in a reduced speed of transmission.

Yea I think we are well-aware of this.
But you need to actually sign in to Messenger to check your Hotmail account!
And they never used to block it, although I had tried for 2 weeks until now.

I'm assuming T-Mobile are cracking down on "misuse" because I used to be able to use VoIP (SIP based) but it is now blocked. :-(

Im on WnW and can connect to live messenger fine, no problems.
Imp

Impossible said:
Im on WnW and can connect to live messenger fine, no problems.
Imp
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What GPRS settings do you use?

And is it the £7.50 WnW or the more expensive one?

If they are blocking Live Messenger then I'm very happy I didn't change to T-Mobile! Sounds like it's a bit of a con to me.

Yea but what else can you have with unlimited usage?
Think we need to find a way to run it off port 80 like the desktop version can do.

To be honest I get 16Mb with Orange for £4 which doesn't have any restrictions on it. It nearly always lasts me a month.

can anyone confirm this is the case at the moment as i am unable to test...
Would be intersting to know exactly what their attitude towards this is..
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Looking at this forum:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60741
it would seem that T-Mobile are cracking down on their T&C. I'm on WnW Plus and all seems to be working for me (I can still log on to Live and send messages). I haven't got around to installing Skype since flashing Black Dymond but shall probably give it a go tomorrow to see if that still works.

I'm not positive, but I think this isn't a problem with your carrier. I'm having this same problem with my Wizard. However, it only happens when I flash certain cooked ROMs. I'm trying to connect over wifi though, and am getting the same error and I just can't connect.
So, I was thinking that it might be certain builds of WLM that we are flashing on our phones. Any thoughts on that?

...this is stange as i have no problems at all. i'm on w n' w lowest plan using agile messenger/live messenger- the only thing they switched off is the ftp which i already ask them about.
i'm using lvsw's rom.

Well, maybe we should start listing our Windows Live builds. Be sure to mention if you have this problem or not. Maybe we can narrow it down that way. I'll start...
10.6.0026.1400
Who's next?

I just noticed my IRC is getting blocked too, on T-Mobile... it connects and disconnects right away. One way to figure out T-Mobile is trying via WiFi to compare.
This kinda sucks. For comparison, I am on the OLD Web'n'Walk 2GB plan before they revamped it with all the Plus/Max nonsense.

I'm running live messenger on WM5 and it connects with no problems whatsoever, i use it every day! (on it right now too). I am on the cheapest WnW plan. Not sure what version of Live I am using , as there seems to be no 'about' option on any of the menus!. If someone could tell me how else I can check the version i'd check.
In essence, I can say for fact that T-Mobile are NOT blocking Instant messaging.

Surely if they block it they're falsly advertising WnW?
I signed up to the £7.50 WnW package because it was being advertised as "the whole internet from my phone". Obviously there's going to be some restrictions because of bandwidth and hardware capabilities, but TMobile blocking things is something else.
-Edit-
Just re-flashed to Elf 2.1 and Live Messenger is working fine... I'll keep an eye on it though.

Few annoying problems

I am using DCD's 3.0.4 wm 6.1 rom. I only have sbp pocketplus and a third part digital clock installed on the today screen. Also only have s2u2 and touchflo starting up on the phone. For some reason the phone randomly locks up on a softreset, all I can do is turn the phone on or off from that point. I must softreset again to get the phone to function correctly.
The second problem I am having is I do not have a data plan and for some reason my phone keeps trying to connect to the internet. This just started happening yesterday randomly. I have put in a username for the data connection so it cannot automatically log in and charge up data on my bill. But every month somehow I have about $5 of data used. Is there any way to completely turn off data on this phone.
Thanks in advance!

don't worry, if you have sprint, your maxiumim inet fee wll be $75 lol. I have unlimited, but they apparently canceled that for a few days and i got the max charge of inet usage of $75, that's how I know about the price.
It's probably the SPB suit you're using. For example, I run one that has the weather. In order to update the weather, it connects to the inet. That could be the reason it's doing so. Otherwise, none of my SPB programs i run connect automatically that i am aware of.
It could also be something built into the rom, but i doubt it.
Search the tweeks sections for disabling the inet. I know there is a program that limits your inet time for this reason. You could set it to 1 second, since you are billed by KB not time.

Counterfeit7485 said:
The second problem I am having is I do not have a data plan and for some reason my phone keeps trying to connect to the internet. This just started happening yesterday randomly. I have put in a username for the data connection so it cannot automatically log in and charge up data on my bill. But every month somehow I have about $5 of data used. Is there any way to completely turn off data on this phone.
Thanks in advance!
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I just recently got a data plan, even though I had the phone since September. I recommend calling Sprint (or whatever carrier you have) and requesting that they put a block on the data connection. If they do it right, then it will disable the data usage. If not, they will at least flag your account so that you can demand a reimbursement (which is what I did every month because they had trouble doing it right). The other thing you can do is go to start\settings\connections\connections\manage existing connections and then delete the Sprint PCS #777 connection by clicking and holding it. That will fix the problem until u do a hard reset.

Question To SoftBank X Series Users

What is the difference between PC Direct and Access Internet?
What do they refer to please?
What do we have to do to incur charges for these?
This might help:
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/important/20080618_2/index.html
Even if we pay for Unlimited Packet Discount - are there any popular internet apps that we should avoid because of unexpected costs?
(For example YouTube via Coreplayer or something?)
Finally: Are there any financial/packet risks using apps on the phone while it is charging from the USB via the PC?
Much appreciate any advice.

YoungOldDude said:
What is the difference between PC Direct and Access Internet?
What do they refer to please?
What do we have to do to incur charges for these?
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Okay, this is complicated, but I think I have it figured out pretty well.
Unlimited Packet Discount is the flat rate data plan for Softbank. The minimum cost is always 980, but the maximum cost depends on how you use the internet.
If you use a regular Softbank phone (not X-Series) and stay within their "walled garden" of sites that pay Softbank to be in the walled garden then the maximum cost is 4200.
If you use a regular Softbank phone (not X-Series) and don't stay within the walled garden, then the maximum cost is 5985. (This is called PC Site Browser)
If you use an X-Series phone (with the proper AP which comes preinstalled on the stock ROM), then the maximum cost is 9800.
The introduction of the iPhone brought yet ANOTHER flat rate plan into being. It is called Packet Flat-rate Full. It starts at 980 and maxes-out at 5985. Though it is too soon to tell for sure, it seems that this flat rate applies to all phones and all methods of accessing data.
This might help:
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/important/20080618_2/index.html
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If I am reading between the lines correctly, the most prevalent thing that site says is that you shouldn't use your phone as a modem for your PC.
Even if we pay for Unlimited Packet Discount - are there any popular internet apps that we should avoid because of unexpected costs?
(For example YouTube via Coreplayer or something?)
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Not that I know about. Except for using it as a modem for your PC, you should be able to do anything you like with it. However, I am sure they will find a way to screw you if they really want to. One caveat:
Make sure you have the flat-rate AP installed if you are not using the stock Softbank ROM. Otherwise you could be using the open, non-capped (and muuuuch more expensive) AP.
Finally: Are there any financial/packet risks using apps on the phone while it is charging from the USB via the PC?
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Yes actually, in a way there may be. Many programs update automatically when cradled, assuming that there is a live internet connection available from the PC. If the PC is not connected, or if it is behind a proxy, or if Activestync is being stupid, these automatic updates could default to your cellular connection.
The best way to make sure you aren't risking packets is to go into your commmanager and turn your cellular radio off.
PS, Kudos for putting this in the Networking section where it belongs instead of tacking this on one of the long, already disjointed Softbank-themed discussions in the Hermes and Kaiser sections.

Thanks very much for the effort and attention to your reply.
I'm still not 100% sure what the differences are between PC Direct and Access Int?... (My PC Direct is taken care of by my packet discount but my access internet is over $1000 that I have to pay. Talk about an expensive screw up!)
内訳　アクセスＩＮＴ＠０．２円　５２５２１８Ｐｋｔ (Access Int)
内訳　 ＰＣダイレクト＠０．０８円　６０６３８Ｐｋｔ (PC Direct)
I assume it isn't too easy to use the phone as my PC modem accidentally?
I'm trying to cover all bases and not make the same mistakes again.
(I'm getting paranoid just plugging the USB cable in to upload a cab file - at least until I figure out my bills with SB staff)
(It is a little confusing just getting this bill when I reverted back to the original rom and default settings on September 1st and paid my $550 SoftBank bill on Friday (2 days ago)
(Thanks for your PM too.)

Hi, I am sorry to hear about your bill...
Maybe you can help us figure out exactly what happened by giving us a list of the Apps you have on your phone, and how frequently you use them. There is a lot of misinformation floating around on the Internet regarding using the X series on Softbank, so by putting as much information as possible on threads like this will go a long way. First off, what device are you using (probably the X01HT with a non-oem ROM)? What AP were you using? And finally, what apps were you using?
I have been using a stock X02HT for several months, first on the Unlimited Packet Discount plan (980-9800), and for the last month, on the new iPhone/X Series plan (5985). I have never had a huge bill yet. I use on a regular bases Hotmail and Gmail (IMAP) access using Pocket Outlook, PIE, ActiveSync OTA, Pocket Weather updates, random applications updates (Resco, etc), and IMPlus. I can safely assume that all of these activities are safe.

Well first of all it's a SoftBank X01T (Toshiba G900) which isn't supported on this forum as far as the phone model is concerned.
However, many of us share quite similar SoftBank billing plans, rates or charges.
At the end of the day - I changed the rom and used the wrong Access Point and password - from what I can tell. (SoftBank - don't even entertain the idea of talking about this stuff). For a couple of months I hardly used the net with the new rom and my bill was small.
Then I bought CorePlayer and decided to test it's built-in YouTube client on a couple of occasions. That's when all of my money was sucked out of my pockets, life and near future.
SoftBank tell you ONE DAY after you reach your first $500. So by the time you find out - you have possibly doubled that.
Like many phones - updates are not offered by SoftBank for this model.
Although I was trying not to be on the defensive - the SoftBank telephone rep already had me shaved and shackled as soon as I mentioned that I changed a few settings on my `Windows PC phone'. I quote "That's what people with Windows do."
I should have reminded them that it's the Mac lovers who are happy to spend a little more.
Anyway - if you need more info - I'll be hanging around Tokyo station with a cup in my hand. (No disrespect to anyone intended).
Cheers.
ps. For the record - I went back to the original rom with default connection settings.

Anyone looking for information about Softbank's flat rate Access Protocol, please refer to the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441400
Thanks.

Thanks
@ larsuk,
My request is network related so I didn't know if I should post it here or attached to the end of the other Softbank threads...
In any case, thanks to Grant and larsuk for explaining what happened to me when I surfed the web from my PC, using my Nokia with a Vodafone (SB) USIM testing my phone's modem adapter and my 3G connection.
I applied for the SB unlimited data plan in view of a trip around Japan as I wanted to use my Nokia as a PC modem. I tested my phone's modem adapter and my 3G connection by surfing the web from my PC for a couple of days and all went well...
That is until my next SB bill hit me! It was monstrous! Almost 7,000US$!!!
I managed to talk my way out of it with an understanding SB representative who waived almost everything considering my obvious good faith. Japan may totally lack any traces of common sense or practical thinking but I love the genuine kindness and its kind of "paternalistic" approach to laws and regulations: they do let off first time offenders with a warning.
Anyway, thanks for explaining waht happened! Now... I know that this forum doesn't support Symbian but, RayBmade a very handy Softbank cab which seems to work miracles on Windows and Android and I couldn't find anything like it on any Symbian forum. Any chances that that cab may find its way into the Symbian world or any way to modify the APN on a Symbian device?
I have now bought an hTC DHD from Softbank and I wonder how I survived on Symbian for so long but, still, I'm not ready to throw away my N8 (I need 2 phones for 2 numbers).
Thanks...
Tommaso

Android Data Usage...

Can't believe I had a text from o2 stating I had used all my 500MB data in only two weeks...without hardly using the internet away from wifi, ok I have had my data and auto update on until now.
With Windows Mobile I never got close to the 500mb per month, why does Android use so much ?
Am I doing something wrong?

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Can't believe I had a text from o2 stating I had used all my 500MB data in only two weeks...without hardly using the internet away from wifi, ok I have had my data and auto update on until now.
With Windows Mobile I never got close to the 500mb per month, why does Android use so much ?
Am I doing something wrong?
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The majority of apps that you use with ANDROID run in the background and need this turned on for it to work.
If you want to minimise this impact go to the settings, wireless networks and change the background data option to off so that the apps cannot use this all the time. You usually have a constant connection to data when you have android.
This is from what I noticed having got a similar message from Vodafone, once I took the steps above then it stopped but I am arguing with Vodafone atm anyway as I signed an 'uncapped' contract, they are trying to screw me.

I had the same issue with t mobile, two months running I hit my 1gb limit and had my already speed limited access severely cut until next pay date. On t mobile though, if you buy an Android phone you automatically (or should) be put on a unrestricted speed 3gb plan, I sent them a few emails blagging I needed more data usage due to 'work' and they happily upgraded my allowances on speed and usage happily, I'd recommend trying the same, bit of advice though, try getting an email direct to o2s tech support rather than customer services, they usually just try and fob you off, best of luck!

[Q] Use MyTouch with BlackBerry Data Plan?

I just bought my MyTouch 4G and I'm coming from an HD2 with Android loaded on it. With my HD2, I was able to use the phone perfectly fine with my BlackBerry Plan. With the MyTouch, when I try to use the browser, I get redirected to a page telling me to switch my plan. I also get no connection at all when trying to use the market or other apps unless I'm on Wi-Fi. The reason I want to keep my BlackBerry plan is because I still switch my sim to the BlackBerry and the price I have on my plan is cheaper than what they offer now. Is there any way around this?

Last time I researched it you can't, TMo has disabled that on their end since they can detect with phone you have

I don't think so......the reason the BB plan is cheaper is becasue of the way they handle the data (tx/rx). I beleive the packets are smaller (or something like that) which allows for less bandwidth to be used to do the same job. But it's proprietary to BB.

I am not sure if it depends on the market, but here in Northern Virginia I don't think there is a difference between a Blackberry plan and a standard internet plan. At least not for their newer devices. I asked a T-Mobile rep and they confirmed that there was no difference. Not that a T-Mobile rep is necessarily authoritative...lol Same price here. Now, I do know that there is a difference with certain carriers, or at least there used to be. I know there is something different about Blackberry e-mail and web as opposed to regular e-mail and web, but I am not sure it matters for connectivity anymore. When I was with Sprint, there was a difference between a Blackberry plan and regular web plans at that time.
I would call T-Mobile and ask if there is actually a difference in your area.

Blackberries require access to their BIS/BES servers which have to be approved by T-Mobile. But Blackberries do offers browsers that bypass the BIS/BES servers. So yes it will work, but no it's the the "correct way" for it to happen. Now i know T-Mobile eons ago put grandfathered people onto an "employee data plan" which would automatically switch packages depending on the phone you had. It'd work off the IMEI number. I found that out when i was swicthing phone frequently a few years back. i went from a Blackberry 8900 > HTC Diamond > Blackberry 95xx > HTC Touch Pro > HTC magic..... that what i was told by a few mods @ t-mobiles forums.

Both the BB and Android plans cost the same.
"Unlimited" - $20-30/month (cheaper if you are a preferred customer)
200MB - $10-15/month (depending on what plan you have)
In a nutshell: just state that you have switched to an Android phone and you'd like to keep the price of your data plan the same except it should be configured for Android phones. Be nice to the rep. If at first you don't succeed, call, call again.

Like I said, I don't want to switch my plan because I constantly switch between BlackBerry and Android. And again, it worked perfectly fine with my HD2 running Android!!! I don't understand why it works with my Android HD2 but not the MyTouch 4G

The HD2 was one of the last HTC Android phones that was compatible with T-Zones. That pretty much means the HD2 could work on any data plan. Newer Android phones, on the other hand, need to have the Android data plans to work.

As long as you don't use BIS/BES, the Android plan is the way to go. A BB will be able to access the Internet fine with the Android data plan but if you try to access the Internet with an Android device using a BB plan, you'll get that webpage about needing to change plans.
If you do need to use BIS/BES, then you're stuck, since you wouldn't be able to do that on your BB device with the Android plan.