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You know I have always come to XDA with my windows mobile phones and now my g1. I never made an account because I've always done my research on how to do things on my phone. But just recently there are a lot of new users comming to xda to learn and ask questions and achieve the new things we have on our phones. Not everyone has the intelligence to do things and sometimes have to have things done for them. but if they are actually taking the time to ask a question, for the next 10 pages of posts they are getting flamed about how they are in the wrong section or how they are idiots or just snide remarks or sarcastic responses, that right there is driving people away from this forum. like a lot of people say why not let the mods take care of it, why flame the user? what do you achieve? do you feel better about yourself? I have always loved XDA and i may not have had that much to give to the community. I also want to say thank you to all the developers putting forth all the work.
XDA is like having a girlfriend. It's fun at times but mostly it's hell. But you stick around so you can pound that pearl! hahaha jk
ernvillanueva90 said:
You know I have always come to XDA with my windows mobile phones and now my g1. I never made an account because I've always done my research on how to do things on my phone. But just recently there are a lot of new users coming to xda to learn and ask questions and achieve the new things we have on our phones. Not everyone has the intelligence to do things and sometimes have to have things done for them. but if they are actually taking the time to ask a question, for the next 10 pages of posts they are getting flamed about how they are in the wrong section or how they are idiots or just snide remarks or sarcastic responses, that right there is driving people away from this forum. like a lot of people say why not let the mods take care of it, why flame the user? what do you achieve? do you feel better about yourself? I have always loved XDA and i may not have had that much to give to the community. I also want to say thank you to all the developers putting forth all the work.
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I think its good to do some Trial & Error before asking some questions.Don't ask a question that was answered above your post. I don't like when people start spamming or trolling and they say the rom is slow just cause they don't know what they're doing. Now the search here isn't perfect and finding some things can be difficult but if you do xda+(rom name,etc) you should find the thread with google.Instead of making a new thread like how to root dream/G1m do root G1 on google and you will find something.
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I think its good to do some Trial & Error before asking some questions.Don't ask a question that was answered above your post. I don't like when people start spamming or trolling and they say the rom is slow just cause they don't know what they're doing. Now the search here isn't perfect and finding some things can be difficult but if you do xda+(rom name,etc) you should find the thread with google.Instead of making a new thread like how to root dream/G1m do root G1 on google and you will find something.
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I most agree with you but why flame the user is what im getting at. just the rudeness and the snide remarks. what benifit does the community get from this? if anything they are driving away people that you never know may become very good developers. just let the mod deal with it and redirect them and they will eventually learn. i myself dont like to ask for help. i rely on google and on the search. im just doing this for all the new members that may join xda. i mean these people that are quick to flam someone on how they broke a rule bc they posted in the wrong section arent they breaking a rule as well by flaming the other user? or insulting them? i never see anything being said about that... just my thoughts. from this point foward mod go ahead and delete this or do what you please with this. i just thought id speak my mind for once rather than just sit by and watch people get flammed or instulted and from this be discouraged and driven away from this forum.
ernvillanueva90 said:
I most agree with you but why flame the user is what im getting at. just the rudeness and the snide remarks. what benifit does the community get from this? if anything they are driving away people that you never know may become very good developers. just let the mod deal with it and redirect them and they will eventually learn. i myself dont like to ask for help. i rely on google and on the search. im just doing this for all the new members that may join xda. i mean these people that are quick to flam someone on how they broke a rule bc they posted in the wrong section arent they breaking a rule as well by flaming the other user? or insulting them? i never see anything being said about that... just my thoughts. from this point foward mod go ahead and delete this or do what you please with this. i just thought id speak my mind for once rather than just sit by and watch people get flammed or instulted and from this be discouraged and driven away from this forum.
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I didn't mean its right to do that,cause the rules say to respect other members so they are going against that. I think if they have nothing nice to say then keep your trap shut real tight.
It's just how this forum seems to operate. It's massive, with a very lenient policy on trolling and off-topic harassment. Combine that with a userbase that seems to trend on the younger side, you get a lot of kids who think they're anonymous and because of that, think they should just flame the hell out of anyone who asks a question.
I only respect people that try. If it's available already on xda search and google search. I wasn't spoon fed and I will not help themselves. If we say there is already a guide that show you how to install adb, root, unroot, wipe, flash etc. we mean that someone took the time to create the guide for that and one can easily find it by searching.
But there are some user level things that xda needs to address, such as stickied updated user guides a better more forum level faq. I think something like that needs to be created which may cut down on common repeat questions, but why do that when it says to search first on the first sticky but they still don't anyway. It's a loosing battle any way you cut it.
Better rom layout in the dream section anyway would be a huge plus. Even as simple as have a [main dev - 1.5/hero -- 1.6 -- 2.x -- 2.x sense] would be big for the android section.
I think what makes XDA different from a lot of other internet forums is the subject matter being discussed...it is very technical in nature. Rooting, flashing of ROMs, recovery images, themes, and SPLs is pretty heavy stuff.
Lots of non-technical people own these phones, yet it takes a technical person to mod them, so naturally a lot of basic questions will be asked and naturally those already in the know will grow tired of being asked.
It was just a few weeks ago that I didn't have a clue about modding Android, but after reading a lot and asking a little, I was able to catch up pretty quickly, and I have XDA to thank for that. My only advice to my fellow forum members is because of the highly technical nature of this forum, a little extra patience is required compared to other internet forums. Yet at the same time adequate policing of mis-posting and unnecessary posting is required. Just gotta find the happy medium!
i think my autoresponse to people emailing me at [email protected] really says it all (as well as my signature - the patience bit)
the number of emails asking "how do i root" "what is root" "what is a custom rom" and even the classic "wat duz dis shizzle do yo?"
This is an automated response
Your email has been received.
This email address is exclusively for help and support with the
CM-Updater and CM ROMs.
Emails asking "how do I root?" "how do I get CM" and "what is this app
for" WILL BE IGNORED.
Emails using poor language and/or grammar such as "wat duz dis do?"
WILL BE IGNORED.
Emails using bad language and/or are rude WILL BE IGNORED.
CyanogenMOD is for the Dream/G1 and Magic/MT3G only.
If you are inquiring as to whether or not it will run on the droid,
hero or any other phone for that matter - YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE A
REPLY.
If you are looking for the IM app which was removed after 4.2.9.1
Look Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5208623#post5208623
I am NOT cyanogen nor do I hold any great pull with him - we just
mutually benefit from each other.
I WILL NOT forward messages to him or request features on your behalf.
If you have not received a reply within 24 hours then the chances are
your original email did not fit this criteria.
My apologies for being so strict. 20-70 emails a month for this can
get annoying when it is often down to people not reading properly.
If you require more in depth help, please consider SEARCHING the XDA forums.
As a last resort, start a new thread (in the QnA section please, not
the development section).
I WILL NOT HOLD YOUR HAND AND GIVE YOU ALL THE ANSWERS
Thank you for using the CM-Updater
Kind regards
Garok89
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ernvillanueva90 said:
Not everyone has the intelligence to do things and sometimes have to have things done for them. but if they are actually taking the time to ask a question, for the next 10 pages of posts they are getting flamed about how they are in the wrong section or how they are idiots or just snide remarks or sarcastic responses, that right there is driving people away from this forum.
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To be honest, if it drives away idiots who can't be arsed using the search button or even Google on their Google phones (god forbid!) then the forum will be a better place without them.
If someone posts "What's root? i can't find it on the market." they deserve to get flamed. (a surprisingly common question i get asked a lot, by the way.)
We were all beginners once, i appreciate that, but you won't get anywhere and you wont learn anything if you don't figure stuff out for yourself.
this site is so huge that sometimes a search wont find what you want, either that or it does and its lost amongst all the flames and other questions. sometimes it takes asking a question again to get what your looking for... i try to find what im doing and read up on it all before i do stuff new, like flashing the 10mb ram hack i did recently for instance. did a lot of reading and searches. and for a final to make sure asked some good people over at the irc channel...
i can see why some people get flamed, but sometimes its just an ego trip some geek thats made this stuff his life is on...
btw xda is the best site for this stuff, with all the flamers, theres still some good people that are glad to help
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To be honest, if it drives away idiots who can't be arsed using the search button or even Google on their Google phones (god forbid!) then the forum will be a better place without them.
If someone posts "What's root? i can't find it on the market." they deserve to get flamed. (a surprisingly common question i get asked a lot, by the way.)
We were all beginners once, i appreciate that, but you won't get anywhere and you wont learn anything if you don't figure stuff out for yourself.
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I can understand what you are saying, but people need to be more understanding as well.
I was once flamed for not using the search button when I asked about getting really short battery life with a specific ROM. Some asshat told me that I needed to use the search function because it had already been discussed. Well, type a common subject like battery life into the search function and you're going to get a gagillion responses (just got 20+ pages doing it). After saying that in the thread, I was then told by the same guy that I should go back and read the thread by this person. That's all fine and dandy, but when the thread is damn near 150 pages long, that's not really an option either. To me, it seems as though this forum often lacks basic common courtesy unless you're one of the frequent posters even with non-beginner questions.
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irenOd said:
Age of Heroes is a whole thoroughly developed world, it’s a myriad of big and small stories, and it’s a place for feats, explorations and adventures for thousands of players. Age of Heroes has no limits in time or space – join us and you’ll see it for yourself!
Now players of can take part in beta-test of Age of Heroes Online client for Android OS.
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okay, i dont want to be the ass but someone has to say it.
in which way does this fit in the DEVELOPMENT section?!? there is general discussion, apps and games and whatever. why then in development? because its a beta??
hmpf..
please first think then open a new thread and hopefully then in the right section...
lolmensch said:
okay, i dont want to be the ass but someone has to say it.
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You really should have let someone else say it. Now you are what you didn't want to be.
have a nice day
wcdisciple said:
You really should have let someone else say it. Now you are what you didn't want to be.
have a nice day
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It was moved by a moderator because it should have never been placed in Development. General or Apps would be most appropriate. Of course there are always better ways of pointing it out though and there really is no reason to be at each other for it. The post was moved and that's that.
Binary100100 said:
It was moved by a moderator because it should have never been placed in Development. General or Apps would be most appropriate. Of course there are always better ways of pointing it out though and there really is no reason to be at each other for it. The post was moved and that's that.
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Being that you decided to quote me....
My thing is this, i don't care what section the topic is in. I don't care if it's moved or not. I don't care who moves it or who leaves it where it is. I could care less.
Personally, i surf the forums to see if i can obtain any info that is useful and if i can assisst anyone that may need help etc. That's it point blank period.
And in my opinion it's unneccessary for those that aren't mods to constantly go through endless posts pointing out what belongs where. People don't get on here to be told by faceless keyboard killers what to do.
Also to clarify something, I wasn't getting at him/her. I would've taken things in a totally different direction.
Quick question...why can't the mods just simply tell all those that are looking for moderator jobs, by way of being bossy and trying to clown others on here, that they know what their jobs are and leave it to them to do their job? That would eliminate some animosity. But that's just a thought.
I don't need to hear back from you either. Just voicing my opinion and thoughts just as you did.
wcdisciple said:
Being that you decided to quote me....
My thing is this, i don't care what section the topic is in. I don't care if it's moved or not. I don't care who moves it or who leaves it where it is. I could care less.
Personally, i surf the forums to see if i can obtain any info that is useful and if i can assisst anyone that may need help etc. That's it point blank period.
And in my opinion it's unneccessary for those that aren't mods to constantly go through endless posts pointing out what belongs where. People don't get on here to be told by faceless keyboard killers what to do.
Also to clarify something, I wasn't getting at him/her. I would've taken things in a totally different direction.
Quick question...why can't the mods just simply tell all those that are looking for moderator jobs, by way of being bossy and trying to clown others on here, that they know what their jobs are and leave it to them to do their job? That would eliminate some animosity. But that's just a thought.
I don't need to hear back from you either. Just voicing my opinion and thoughts just as you did.
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My apologizes. I didn't intend on singling anyone out. You were just the last comment. And I personally think that it's fine for members to point out that a post is in the wrong section as long as it is done politely. Unfortunately this isn't always the case. Especially amongst the Senior Members because they have seen it repeatedly for months or even years. And no matter how many times they point out that a post is in the wrong thread there will always be more. So it becomes frustrating to them. I can say this because I can relate because I have been guilty of it myself in the past. It all comes down to the basic rule of being respectful toward others.
And to answer your question regarding the wannabe mods. All mods started off as regular members. The more serious of a member you are the more likely it is that you would be an ideal candidate for being a moderator. I just received my duties and in fact I have to admit, it's been tough. It's not as easy as you think reading threads that you have no interest in, cleaning, merging, deleting, censoring, etc. And with a new structure being laid out effective very recently moderators such as myself are being assigned for specific forums so that the members will have a few common moderators to turn to instead of a different and random moderator each time. This should make everyone's job easier and hopefully calm things down a bit. But none of that is an excuse for wannabe moderators that want to treat other members with disrespect. If they really want to be moderators then that will come back and bite them later since they are breaking one of the basic rules themselves.
Bottom line, if anyone has a problem with a post being in the wrong thread then they can kindly remind the OP that it is in an inappropriate thread and identify the appropriate one for them along with educating them with the reason why. The post should also be reported so that it can be moved before the thread gets out of hand with flammers and rude comments. We also don't need five people reminding the OP that the they posted it in the wrong thread either. Once the thread is posted the OP cannot do anything about it besides request it to be moved. Reminding the OP several times isn't going to change anything except for making the thread more hostile and nobody wants that.
Binary100100 said:
My apologizes.
All mods started off as regular members.
But none of that is an excuse for wannabe moderators that want to treat other members with disrespect.
Bottom line, if anyone has a problem with a post being in the wrong thread then they can kindly remind the OP that it is in an inappropriate thread and identify the appropriate one for them along with educating them with the reason why.
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Hey, no need to apologize. I didn't and don't feel disrespected in the least. I don't take anything on the internet pesonal. Itz not my style. If a person isn't in throat strangling distance I don't take **** personal. And that's not a jab at you. Itz just the way it is.
I didn't want to quote your whole post, but suffice it to say, you made your point. And not that you're looking for or need my "seal of approval" but, you're alright in my book. Peace.
Now that I have your attention, can we please have some organization and forum ettiquette. This forum looks like complete hell and about 85% of the threads started in here belong in the GENERAL section- including THIS thread!
The reason I posted it here is because apparently, nobody knows how to use XDA and it would probably never be read in general. Please read the wiki page and follow forum rules. I am going to contact a moderator asap so that we can get this nasty **** cleaned up right away. It is seriously ridiculous. I come to the Development section of the Captivate forums to find stuff related to actual development(go figure) and not questions or comments about stuff that has nothing to do with development! No wonder the Vibrant development is moving along so much quicker. I think they actually have some people over there with brains and have been able to organize a team of sorts.
If this keeps up we will never have any devs willing to collaborate for this beautiful device.
I am done with my rant but please, please follow rules. If you want to know what a Development section is supposed to look like- go look in the Nexus One Development threads.
Thanks,
Troy
I agree... But that title is just cold man....
I agree, this phone seems to have attracted alot of technological illiterate people coming from an iphone or first time smart phone users that think this place is for technical support, well its not. Call at&t if you don't know how to use your phone.
If the galaxy s community wasn't so segregated we might be able to get something done. 4 forums for essentially the same phone is too much as well. I will contact a mod about this as well.t
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bad topic title, but I dont think all the Galaxy S variants should have their own forums - its annoying and unorganized
It is just that the Vibrant community is already Android literate and so have been on XDA for a while. Captivate people are new to Android and there is no moderator that has taken this over yet to push things to where they belong (including this reply!).
LOL. Funny title. Its sure to get some attention though. I agree and my poor Captivate will continue to sit unused while my Nexus One gets all my attention until some more development picks up.
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I noticed a this and posted a thread in general about getting some organization sadly only 2 replies. No one probably even read it fully.
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It is sad that this area does look pretty unorganized and I agree if you dont know how to use your phone, this development area is not for help.. Post in the General or go to another site. I am hoping we will get some people that are actually Android literate. I am reading more and more being new to Android but not unix/linux and not new to smart phones!
Cheers,
Charlie
Well, thanks for a heart stopping second I experienced when I read the title....but I do agree....but wow....
Thank you!
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I asked if there was a moderator for the captivate forum. I will upate post when I get more info.
Wheres that update.zip again?
After reading the OPs post.. I went on a scanning spree. I'd venture to sat that only about 30% of what's in this 'dev' forum actually pertains to development.. Really is quite frustrating when you're trying to scan pertinent data but using search would be to limiting.
Also.. I LOLd at the topic. Thank you.
I can agree with you about this, but you're not doing a whole lot better yourself posting topics like this with misleading titles. While you're trying to be helpful, you're only adding to the problems. Let the staff deal with the problems. If there are no moderators in the Captivate section, then lets get a few so they can take care of it.
And a Moderator jumps in!
Guys, it's true there are several forums that are lacking dedicated moderation.
After an 18 month hiatus I have "come in from the cold" {walked away from my iPhone} and returned to XDA-Devs. My new decive is, you guessed it, Samsung Captivate!
I'm still learning the new layout and Android but I will spend time working on the clean-up here, just don't expect it to get done overnight.
Feel free to PM me directly with threads that need moderator attention.
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Well, thanks for a heart stopping second I experienced when I read the title....but I do agree....but wow....
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LOL! Sorry guys but I had to put a title that EVERYONE would want to open the thread for and this is something that everyone would want to read. I just hope it is effective. I have already contacted a couple of moderators as well.
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And a Moderator jumps in!
After an 18 month hiatus I have "come in from the cold" {walked away from my iPhone} and returned to XDA-Devs. My new decive is, you guessed it, Samsung Captivate!
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Thanks for stepping up to the plate, it is defiantly a cluster f*** in this sub-forum. There are many, many threads that need to be merged, moved and or deleted.
Your future work is much appreciated!
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Thanks for stepping up to the plate, it is defiantly a cluster f*** in this sub-forum. There are many, many threads that need to be merged, moved and or deleted.
Your future work is much appreciated!
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I'd bet most of the members here now don't remember how wild the Kaiser forums were for several months after it hit the streets. It's amazing what a few vigilant Moderators can to do a forum with a little time and the help of the user base.
If we seem to over-moderate for a while just understand that you've got to hack away a lot of weeds before you can prune the bushes nicely.
Seeing the title of this thread changed and not by me was the BIGGEST sigh of relief!!! Thank you Moderator for stepping in and I apoligize for getting anyone excited a little early. I felt it was necessary. Hopefully everyone will stay on track now.
God Thank you so much! I can agree. A lot of the Galaxy S community are fairly new to XDA, but I think they will get it eventually
There's always a learning curve, but try to be respectful guys. This is my first Android phone as well, and I'm coming from the iPhone 3G for 2 years and the iPhone 4 for a month. Now, I'm pretty quick with this type of stuff, and I'm not new to messing with phones, firmware, linux, hell, I even messed with Android on the iPhone for a while there, but most of that was way over my head since they needed driver developers, but a lot of us are new here (or back to being new again in my case, since my WM phone before my iPhone).
Please stop being rude to people who aren't as experienced as you. Yes, I understand it's annoying when someone who barely knows how to download an app from the Market wants help flashing firmware or something like that, but hell, I was asking for help with that just a week ago or so too. Use the report button if a topic is in the wrong place rather than belittling the person. We'll progress a lot more if we work together rather than fighting each other.
Sorry for this question, but for some reason i cant post replies on X10 development sub-forum.
If any moderator can help me I will be thanked
You are a new member. You have to have at least 10 posts before posting in the development forum.
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Important XDA Announcement Regarding New Users
Dear XDA Users,
Sorry for the long letter. Please read the whole thing if you're interested in some important upcoming changes to the site.
XDA is growing. There's really no way to avoid this. Smartphones are becoming ubiquitous. Android is soaring and Windows Phone is holding its own. By all measures, we have actually grown less than some of the other Smartphone-related sites out there. We're bigger just because we had a multi-year head start.
We are writing this because, like a lot of people, we constantly worry about the quality of posts on XDA. Some people suggest to us that quality has been deteriorating (or rather, the number of junk posts have been increasing), and honestly, maybe those people have a point. We want to make our developers feel at home. We want to make sure that good members of the community--those who offer to help and even those who respectfully ask for help--enjoy their time here. There is a cost of growth, and that cost is the crappy, rude posts that too often fill the forums.
No matter what we do, some people are going to complain, despite the best efforts of our fantastic moderator team. Some people want us to support all devices (actually, just the device they happen to have purchased yesterday); others want us to focus. Some people think the moderators have too much power; then they complain that certain forums are a mess. XDA has zero full-time employees. It's a massive challenge running this site, and we do the best we can.
Our stance is that we have a responsibility not to act as dictators. This is not our community... it is yours. We've debated shutting the site to new registrations. But really, what gives us the right to turn away the future generation of developers? We've debated adding fewer devices. But why should someone be turned from XDA just because they bought a Motorola phone instead of an HTC phone?
We've struggled for a long time thinking about how to solve the quality issues here. One way would be to constantly beg users to be nice to one another, always search before posting, etc, etc. We can try this, but realistically, this is the Internet; people act how they want to act.
So what's the plan? To make incremental changes that will hopefully impact XDA for the better. Our first change is this: only users with 10 posts (or more) will be allowed to post to any development-related forum. Users with 9 or fewer will be able to read, but not post. This change will happen within the next week. We hope it will dramatically cut down on the crap. It takes some small bit of effort to get to 10 posts on XDA. Hopefully those who make it to 10 are among the "better" users here. This will ONLY impact the development-related forums. All other forums will be open to everyone.
The good news: we might be a huge site, but we're a small team. If this change hurts XDA, we'll figure it out pretty quickly and revert back. If it helps, we'll work on other changes. My guess is that these small tweaks will make a big difference.
Thanks to everyone for reading. Happy 2011. And please, please, please be nice to one another =D
Thanks,
Admins and Mods
P.S. Want to discuss this?
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Yeah you cant reply because of that rule and remember unless your a dewveloper you shouldnt be starting a new thread there anyway
mod edit: Posting PMs in public without consent is rude at best. I'll consider the below an 'open PM' back to me:
Let me say this. Everyone KNOWS XDA-DEVELOPERS is where it's at! I am in no way attempting to take away from the FORUMS, or even the WIKI! But... the Wiki is nice and all, I just see a better way. I am not taking ANYONE from XDA, I'm offering higher speed downloads, a dedicated server, and am not attempting to keep anyone from going to XDA. I am simply attempting to make (a generous one I think) an attempt to bridge the gap for files. They are gone!! We spend hours trying to find what we need. I'm trying to fix that.
Obviously the community is interested in what I am attempting to offer. Again, I am in no way trying to take from the community. I am trying to add to what is alreay here. Don't be so INSECURE. XDA is the best. I know that, you know that, we all know that. Without XDA my phone would be something totally different, and I appreciate that.
Now, I'll gladly move somewhere else if you want to keep on with the drama, as so many others have. Is XDA developers a dictatorship? Or does the community make it what it is? A community? I'm here to add to, not take away from. Don't like it? Get over it. Get under it. Or get behind it, you choose.
Regardless of what your intentions are, you are breaking the rules. So just stop doing it. You are trying to stir up drama for no reason.
I'll highlight the portions of the rules you're breaking.
11. Don’t post with the intention of selling something.
•Don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. Proprietors of for-pay products or services, may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or a free version of their product for XDA users and offer support, but not to post with the intention of selling. This includes promoting sites similar/substantially similar to XDA-Developers.com.
•Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
Ok so one snwagner was not trying to sell anything two it's very very convenient to have an awesome site with highspeed downloads. Three why is it such a big deal if posts links. Everyone on xda has posted a link which can draw people away from the website. So now is it illegal to post links on xda? Give me a break.
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Let me say this. Everyone KNOWS XDA-DEVELOPERS is where it's at! I am in no way attempting to take away from the FORUMS, or even the WIKI! But... the Wiki is nice and all, I just see a better way. I am not taking ANYONE from XDA, I'm offering higher speed downloads, a dedicated server, and am not attempting to keep anyone from going to XDA. I am simply attempting to make (a generous one I think) an attempt to bridge the gap for files. They are gone!! We spend hours trying to find what we need. I'm trying to fix that.
As I said in my PM, everyone appreciates a good file host. I recognize that you are providing a service that is valuable, and that it is in line with the XDA rules on off-site downloads.
Obviously the community is interested in what I am attempting to offer. Again, I am in no way trying to take from the community. I am trying to add to what is alreay here.
But... you're not adding it here...?
Don't be so INSECURE. XDA is the best. I know that, you know that, we all know that. Without XDA my phone would be something totally different, and I appreciate that.
Insecurity is not the issue - the rules are the issue. This thread discusses starting a phone information site (albeit not a 'forum', per se), which is certainly against the spirit of rule 11. Again, as I mentioned in my PM, I agree that the forum format is not the best way to deliver or index all information, and the wikis exist to address that. They seem like an ideal canvas for the type of information you want to aggregate and the method you wish to use to distribute that information.
Now, I'll gladly move somewhere else if you want to keep on with the drama, as so many others have. Is XDA developers a dictatorship? Or does the community make it what it is? A community?
There's no drama here as far as I'm concerned. XDA is a community with rules, just like every other community. I'm advising you against potentially taking resources away from our community, which, again, is covered by parts of rule 11.
I'm here to add to, not take away from. Don't like it? Get over it. Get under it. Or get behind it, you choose.
I am 100% behind you adding to the community here via posting, hosting, or anything else. It's my job as a moderator to support that! Let's put this behind us and go back to work.
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@snwagner, you'd probably get better luck using twitter and hashtagging XDAdevelopers and Droidx and giving it as an option. I'm don't know the site politics, but if they're sensitive to that sort of thing, there are other avenues.
Mrkite, if you ever actually spend time on this forum as a normal member of the community instead of a mod, you would see that people get very tired of being asked the same question over and over again. To my knowledge, NOBODY uses the wiki, if they have a question, they will ask it in the forum. And everyone is tired of threads about how to root and unroot. This site will eliminate the need for those questions and by doing this make the community more productive.
Now I understand that you are just trying to enforce the rules of the site. However, I think you should consider the benefits of this site before you immediately consider it illegal. If you think this is illegal can you please tell me how you allow people to post links to other sites because these tell people directly to leave the site. How can you possibly allow this but not allow out site? Have you even looked at the site? It is not, in any way, a forum and more people will be able to root, which would draw more people to xda.
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Mrkite, if you ever actually spend time on this forum as a normal member of the community instead of a mod, you would see that people get very tired of being asked the same question over and over again. To my knowledge, NOBODY uses the wiki, if they have a question, they will ask it in the forum. And everyone is tired of threads about how to root and unroot. This site will eliminate the need for those questions and by doing this make the community more productive.
Now I understand that you are just trying to enforce the rules of the site. However, I think you should consider the benefits of this site before you immediately consider it illegal. If you think this is illegal can you please tell me how you allow people to post links to other sites because these tell people directly to leave the site. How can you possibly allow this but not allow out site? Have you even looked at the site? It is not, in any way, a forum and more people will be able to root, which would draw more people to xda.
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I'm very aware of the issues you mention. The better the wiki is, the more people will use it, which should mean less duplicate threads / posts, which is why I suggest directing your time there.
Posting links to resources outside XDA is allowed - not doing so would be unhelpful and impossible to enforce. But when someone starts a thread on XDA that says "Hey, I'm going to start a new site that will compete with XDA - come with me" - why would XDA allow that? I am not arguing with your reasons, but the method is not allowed.
This thread is closed. If you have any further questions, please PM me.
If there are any further concerns on this, please PM me.