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Cupcake = 1.5
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Apparently if Rosie aka HTC Sense is going to be released OFFICIALLY to Dream and Magic, its gonna be the Donut update (2.0)? can anyone confirm?
I found this comment on youtube regarding Hayrukos Hero/Rosie rom
If you buy an HTC Magic it is very likely (though not impossible) that you will never get the 'Rosie' skin. Rosie was developed by HTC to enhance the look and feel of Android like they do with WinMo. You will certainly get the update to succeed Cupcake (1.5) for Android which is known as Donut (2.0) This is because the update is to underlying software, not the look. Hope that makes sense!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiU3v_VLmcY
HTC Sense is only being released on HTC-branded HTC phones, not Google-branded HTC phones. That means for example it will go out to HTC Magic phones but not T-Mobile MyTouch phones (which run the same hardware but are branded and supported differently).
HTC Sense is a replacement launcher/UI for Cupcake. Donut is a completely new build of Android. In otherwords, installing HTC Sense would be like putting a paint job on a car while installing Donut would be like installing a new engine and powertrain. In other words, they are completely different things.
besides.... donut was never a build, neither was cupcake.....
Android 1.5 is just that, android 1.5. Android 2.0 will be 2.0. Cupcake is a development branch where developers can upload their contribution outside of the read-only main branch. What you see right now in cupcake will (probably) be in android 2.0, and 2.3, and 2.7, and 3.0, and so on. Cupcake, as google said, is very much a work in progress. I'm not sure where donut comes in, I think it's cupcake's unstable branch, so things that have yet to be tested have to go through donut first, and then if they're approved, they'll be moved to cupcake, and then whenever google feels like it, they'll import whatever they want into the main branch (which nobody but google can write to, but everybody can download the source and build their own flavor of android off of it).
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besides, HTC had already said they'd try to bring sense (pun intended) to their existing android phones, though they won't be doing it to google branded ones. That means, though, probably a rosie port to dream, but only adp version, which shouldn't be much problem to port over, right guys
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/06/25/htcs-sense-ui-not-coming-to-any-google-branded-phones/
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actually, i don't know because i'm not in canada, but isn't roger's dream NOT a google phone? it's easy to find out, if it says "with GOOGLE" on the back, it's a google phone, if it doesn't then it's not. That means that roger's might get sense, then we can port it
That would be awesome, as I own an ADP
Dredge said:
That would be awesome, as I own an ADP
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You don't need to own an ADP phone to run these... Just an ADP based ROM
Rosie on a non rooted g1 would be amazing
a stable rosie with no bugs and fast speed would b amazing.
let me correct myself, posted very late at night after work, according to whackypedia, though android is open source, all development goes on under a private development branch. for the parts that are being privately developed, cupcake was created to show the world what is being worked on, but this is read-only. donut is the open contribution branch, where google's android team will usually find worthy projects and then import them to their main branch.
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That means, though, probably a rosie port to dream, but only adp version, which shouldn't be much problem to port over, right guys
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If im not mistaken ADP1 is a "with google" phone. Regardless of whether it is or isn't, my intuition is that Rosie is a product that will only be pushed out to HTC's own marketed-for-consumers phones, so I doubt it will be released for ADP1. Only phones that are sold under their HTC original names (e.g. Dream, Magic, Hero) should receive Sense.
jubeh: The Rogers Dream is NOT a "with GOOGLE" phone because it has Microsoft's Exchange support and for the record it dose not have "with GOOGLE" on the back cover not like that would really matter since its just cosmetic and you can change the back cover.
so if i scratch off "with google" on the back of my phone ill b able to get the update OTA right? (lololol joke, don't take this seriously and start flaming)
you're missing the point :facepalm:, but yeah, thanks for confirming rogers is not a google phone
If you have a rooted phone then you shouldn't even care if your phone is "with Google" or not. The rooted devices don't receive OTA updates at all. Updating has to be done manually on these phones. Just install the modded rom when it becomes available. However, if you have a non-rooted "with Google", you will never get HTC Sense without rooting it first.
alright cool thanks for clarifying guys.
Hi,
This is my first post here. I got my htc hero a couple days ago and I've spent most of that time tinkering with it. I'm generally loving it, although I prefer the original android home screen to htc's custom interface. I've noticed that some things like the phonebook are quite laggy, and am under the impression that android's stock phonebook would feel much snappier.
So I would like to install a stock cupcake or donut android to my phone. The thing is, I'm really new to this so I'm not even sure if it's possible. Can it be done? Has any of you guys done it? Even if I succeed, will I be able to use my phone to call and send messages, or will I need to do extra stuff? Can I backup everything in my phone, so that I'll be able to revert it if I break something or I decide that no, the sense ui was better after all?
You see that's a lot of questions, I really hope you guys can give me a hand with this.
Cheers!
After reading some other threads, I think I have some of my questions answered. But do you guys know if any of the stock android builds works with the hero? Can I install anything to it, apart from the system that came with the phone?
you can only install Hero builds on your phone! currently there are none as the phone just came out. So just be patient. If you think the UI is too laggy.. clear default home screen and use regular launcher..
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM. WARNING though, i dont think that has been done yet. reasons in include
WHY WHY WHY?
Hero has exchange support, basic flash support.
barryallott said:
The HTC touchflo stuff works on top of android so If you REALLY wanted to revert back to basic android then i guess you could after rooting and installing a basic android ROM.
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Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
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Well minogue seems to think otherwise... has anyone tried actually?
Anyway, if I use nandroid to backup my system I shouldn't risk anything right?
I think I'll just wait but, can you point me to a basic android Rom? I've seen there are lots of them and I would't know which one to pick.
I written this with the phone, by the way. Awesome keyboard
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And you would lose this 'awesome' keyboard!
Just turn off SenseUI. The rest of Android runs underneath.
Where are the default Calendar and Contact apps ?
I'm in exactly the same boat as frandavid100. I love the Hero's hardware, but most of SenseUI is too flashy; I don't care about most of the improvements (seven home screens, irritating widgets, lots of Facebook/Twitter/Flickr integration, exchange support) and I'd say some of them are worse than the alternative (the calendar doesn't show as much information in the month view; Flash in the browser just makes websites much, much slower and doesn't work for video).
On the other hand, apparently 1.5 is much faster, and 2.0 (on release) will have multitouch in Google Maps as well as in the browser, so I'd like to get running the stock Android operating system.
I don't know anything about cooking ROMs, though, so I'll wait for a kind benefactor. Hopefully it's not just frandavid100 and I who want a faster version of Android...
Glad to see I'm not alone.
Anyway, is there a way to test the stock android keyboard and phonebook? I kinda dig htc's keyboard, with its compact qwerty layout, but I hate the phonebook and I haven't found a decent alternative in the market.
+1
Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
phcollignon said:
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Beeing used to G1 I would also prefer simple UI .. not that Sense is bad
but I prefer simple that sexy UI Then we could benefit of full hero
power on cupcake or donut ...
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You already effectively have Cupcake on the Hero - firmware version is V1.5, which is a Cupcake build. If you just drop Sense UI, your back to almost a vanilla G1 build, which the exception you have HTC keyboards and apps as opposed to Google ones. Given that the hardware in the Hero is pretty similar to the Magic (at least those with 288mb RAM), there isn't exactly any additional "power" to harness either!
With respect to Donut, as far as I'm aware there are *no* operational Donut ROMs available for the G1, Magic, or Hero as yet.
Regards,
Dave
I do also prefer the clean fast Android interface over HTC's one, I know how to make the default home screen to be the Android one but touchflo keeps running in the backgroupd eating more than 30MB RAM and wondering if it is safe to uninstall this package and probably others too. In brief, disable the sense UI. It is maybe nice but at this point is slow compared to the Android interface
yeh, i would like to remove the touchflo altogether as it keeps running in the background even though i use the default home screen. Or at least have some sort of of startup manager to stop things running at boot.
must be out soon, there is some leaked screenshots here including the widget.
http://androidguys.com/?p=6260
OK - so the Her is already running Cupcake, but with SenseUI on top, and while you can disable some parts of SenseUI from running, you can't actually get rid of them.
In that case I think I'll wait and see what happens around Donut. If HTC release an updated Hero ROM, I'll go with that, and if they don't, I can wait for a generous ROM chef to bake a nice, basic Donut ROM for the Hero. Thanks for everyone's help.
You'll need to root your phone to do it:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...if-you-wanted-to-get-rid-of-rosie-completely/
Me tooo
I would love to be able to 'downgrade' my Hero to the stock android.
At the very least, I'd love an easy way to install the stock android applications on top of the HTC ones, and hopefully uninstall the ones I don't use so as to save some application space.
Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
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Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
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Good question, I would love to see that as well... BUT I suppose it is not possible without the kernel sourse, unless Sprint's Hero comes out with 1.6 and then its ROM is ported to our European Heros. That's up to the devs!
Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
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Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
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That was what I thought. But Joshua @ Engadget told me that their Sprint Hero review unit only has Android 1.5 on it. Well, Android 1.6 added support for CDMA does not necessarily mean that one cannot write a driver for Android 1.5 to support CDMA.
But anyway, I do think that it is almost likely that HTC will release a 1.6 update for the Hero in a not too distance future.
The Google experience G1s and Magics are purely that - stock Cupcake ROMs. The Hero presents a slight challenge as HTC put a lot of love into the ROM, with the addition of SenseUI. Hopefully, it won't take that long to cook a Donut ROM with SenseUI, but just making the transition of the great innovations from HTC for the Hero will be the stumbling block for a Donut-based ROM.
HTC Response to my Donut question.
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
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I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
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Man thats so frustrating innit. I am sure if we ask google, they wont comment either coz our hero is not with "GOOGLE EXPERIENCE" ..... what a load of cr*p
well i actually snooped around and heard a couple of ppl say that it should not be a difficult task for HTC to induce Rosie into 1.6, infact one of them even said " should be a peice of cake" so i am a hopless optimist and hopefully it'll be sent as an OTA upgrade or " HOTFIX " by HTC soon...
I'll call HTC too and see if i can get any more info out
update
Just got off the phone with a customer support officer from HTC UK. And she said that while they dont have the exact date on when HTC will issue and update bundled with Donut, It is under works and will be sooner rather than later..... now the waiting games begin
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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well the only notable improvement might be of the speed and performance, although google didn't shout about it so i m thinking it'll be minimalistic ... however detailed battery usage, universal search and test to speech are a few things i wouldn't mind having....
But actually for me its just about getting the latest updates on the Android flagship device...
dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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One benefit will be being able to run any future apps that require 1.6 (use 1.6-specific API features). We already have apps that run only on 1.5 or higher...
system-wide search feature would be nice...
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this, but I signed up to point it out:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/tattoo/specification.html
http://developer.htc.com/htc_tattoo_developer.html
The Tattoo will be shipping with Android 1.6, and it uses the Sense UI. That should mean that it isn't too far off for the Hero.
Looks promising! and the Tatoo is Due to launch orange UK this month
VPN and Global search are the two main features I am most excited about in the Donut
It's supposed to be faster also.
Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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yes it does
http://drop.io/g1i9pj0 hero is getting donut....you might also be getting a snapdragon hero.
I installed donut on my girlfriends g1 yesterday and it seemed much faster than cupcake.
There were some rumors that some of the Android devices of HTC will not receive the newest update to Android Froyo 2.2. While this is partially true, we’re happy to say that HTC Magic is not included in that “black list”.
As announced by the second largest French mobile operator SFR, the device will receive the desired Froyo soon. Some believe that this will take place even in this month. T-Mobile has also plans to update myTouch 3 G which is basically the same device to Froyo by the end of this year.
Let’s say that the device looks to handle the novelties quite well, considering the fact “of not being that new”. Good job!
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Code:
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-magic-to-get-froyo-2-2-update/
so correct me if im wrong... but if the htc magic gets official android 2.2 does that mean the amazing developers here are going to have a field day with it and make it even better and more customizable than the actual creators of it?
I sure hope so would love to have a nice custom rom with 2.2 that works and with tons of bonus stuff pre installed.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but the amazing developers here are having a field day since the froyo source was dropped in to AOSP a few days ago. CM6 should be just around the corner.
i know they are already playing with it, but with a copy from the actually phone i imagine it would be easier to mod and play with since they dont have to port and do all kinds of ridicules things to get it to work on another phone.
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i know they are already playing with it, but with a copy from the actually phone i imagine it would be easier to mod and play with since they dont have to port and do all kinds of ridicules things to get it to work on another phone.
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Remember that the 32B Magic is the ION/ADP2, everything you need to get a fully working ROM is supplied in the AOSP. What you're suggesting is probably more relevant to devices like the Hero. At any rate, we'll probably see CM6 or some other froyo ROM before a shipped one.
ok well you seem to know more than i do so i hope a 2.2 near perfect rom comes out soom. im so excited lol
Yeah me too, Cyan's feed is the only reason I'm checking twitter atm, really looking forward to speed increases
Hey all,
I may be interested in picking up an Epic 4G. I know nothing about the phone, but I assume it's rooted and there are some third party ROM builds. With these builds, is it possible to get 2.2 and 2.3 in the future on this device, or is there anything I should know about before taking the plunge?
Thanks!
look in the devoplment section., thats where you youll find your awnsers
xiton said:
Hey all,
I may be interested in picking up an Epic 4G. I know nothing about the phone, but I assume it's rooted and there are some third party ROM builds. With these builds, is it possible to get 2.2 and 2.3 in the future on this device, or is there anything I should know about before taking the plunge?
Thanks!
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You'll get 2.2.1 on the Epic soon, and 2.3 is a probably. Who knows on the latter though.
Hey,
If you do pick up a new Epic, it won't be rooted, you'll have to root it yourself.
In regards to Android versions 2.2 (Froyo) and 2.3 (Gingerbread), Froyo is already confirmed and hopefully should be (officially) out before the end of the year. As for Gingerbread, its up for debate, Samsung has been very opaque about it and hasn't confirmed or denied it.
If you want to get custom ROM's, there are already plenty in the development section of the Epic forums, and there are a bunch of 2.1 and 2.2 ROMs. The 2.2 ROM's out now are based off a leak of 2.2, but they should all work fine as far as I know.
If you need anything else, post it up, and I'm sure someone here will get back to you.