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I'm looking to purchase one of these devices but not sure which one. I belong to Cingular but I like the look of the T-mobile MDA. Is there anything majorly different from a hardware/software point between these two?
If I get the t-mobile mda will I have any issues using it with Cingular? I know I need to sim unlock it first. My main use of this phone is for calls and text messgs. I rarely use the internet but may do so more later on. Just want to make sure the T-mobile softeware will not interfere with cingular settings. Can someone enlighten me? How about flashing it to a non branded rom? Or a cingular rom if thats possible. lol
Great forum my da way!!!
i bought a tmobile mda for use on cingular because of the keyboard design and general asthetics od the thing. i did unlock it then flashed it to the 217.7.2wwe cingular rom found on this sites ftp section. it works great with text, internet, has great rf reception. only thing i havent tried with it is mms.
rest easy; it works. if you have more questions there are people here much more experienced than i.
hardwares deep inside, they are the same machine. Once you have it (either 8125 or MDA) you can do SIM & CID unlock and put in any ROM for wizard you'd like; if you get MDA you can put 8125 rom on it and has all the cingular settings (which you can set it up manually also with other ROMs)
The main concern is the warranty. You are with Cingular and if you get 8125, whenever you have problem with it within 1 year of purchase, you can get warranty exchange (cingular will send you a new one, and you send the bad one back to them after you recieve the new one, all free)
But if you have MDA, you will have to send it to HTC for repair which might take a long time to come back.
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i bought a tmobile mda for use on cingular because of the keyboard design and general asthetics od the thing. i did unlock it then flashed it to the 217.7.2wwe cingular rom found on this sites ftp section. it works great with text, internet, has great rf reception. only thing i havent tried with it is mms.
rest easy; it works. if you have more questions there are people here much more experienced than i.
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Great! just what I was looking for. I did not know you could install a cingular rom over another brand. soo cool. Did you use the lokiwiz program (which version??) to unlock both the sim and cid? Or another program? Same here I like the rounded corners and two tone keyboard. I wish t-mobile online would sell w/o contract since its a decent price. At the store its almost 100 more.
New to PPC coming from the Motorola camp....
Know to search for a MDA....
Be Careful
Be careful, some of the newer Wizards (MDAs & 8125s) have a newer chip inside referred to as the G4 chip. It is my understanding that lokiwiz will SIM unlock the device which will allow you to use your Cingular SIM card. However, lokiwiz won't CID unlock the MDA with the new chip. So you won't be able to use all the new custom ROMs on ths site.
It is pretty easy to manually configure the setting so the MDA will work fully on Cingular. I have the 8125 and am using T-mobile. The internet, text messanging, and MMS work great.
Check out the threads on the Wizard Upgrading forum for more info. on how to tell which chip your phone has.
Thanks for the tip. I've read some threads about the dreaded G4 chip. Hopefully someone will crack it soon. There is a website that can unlock the G4 chip both sim and cid but it costs like 40 bucks. Worst case I can send it to them.
jdub71: How is the ear piece sound level on the MDA when on a call? how do you rate it? loud, med. or could be louder despite on full volume.
rambo6: Same question. How is you're ear piece volume level on the 8125?
PC mag suggested that the MDA had a lower ear piece volume than the 8125. I wanted to hear from actual users. Louder the better for me. Is there a reg. hack to make the ear piece volume louder? Thanks
I'm running an MDA on Cingular with no problems. Got it a week ago with every intention of flashing to 8125 cingular, but it seems to have figured out most Cingular settings automatically.No problems.... yet.
I don't see how one Wizard could be louder than another.
Have turn it down on both my plantronics bluetooth and wired earphones.
Couple of other quality control concerns with the MDA versus the 8125, I've heard that the MDA is more prone to having the paint come off the keys and that they are also more prone to having the stylus come loose after prolonged usage.
Don't have a MDA, only a 8125, but that's what I have gathered from reading the forums.
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How do you go about finding out what ROM version you have and also how do you tell if you have successfully unlocked your MDA?
Also how do you tell if you have the "G4" chip?
Thanks
Good question. I want a custom rom too.
8125ppc (and htc just updated)
You can go to the thread below to learn how to tell which chip is in your Wizard.
Also, I have great sound through the 8125's earpiece. Sometimes I have to turn it down.
My suggestion is buy whichever phone you want. The MDA has keys that are a little closer together. I'd suggest you look at both in person. You can buy either in the US through letstalk.com without a contract but the phone will be set up for either Cingular or T-mobile and you'll need to unlock it to use another carrier.
If you can hold off a few months, the TyTN or some UMTS form thereof should be offered in the U.S.
T-mobile is great but it will be at least a year before they get a 3G network going. Cingular is the only carrier in the U.S. with a 3G UMTS network in major cities. It's significantly faster than Edge but not as fast as Verizon's evdo.
I hope that HTC offers some phone to work on both the US and European UMTS/HSDPA networks soon. Some form of TyTN or the Trion would do it.
Once you start surfing the web and texting with a Wizard, you'll get addicted and want more speed. Verizion's evdo is so damn fast. I miss verizon's speed but love my Wizard and hope to have the newest HTC phone soon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54030
After read many many threads on these it does seem like the 8125 has a better build quality than the MDA. Sound quality may also be superior since alot of MDA owners are complaing about sound issues. I was going to get the MDA but now I'm leaning on the 8125. Main reason is availability. Its easier for me to get the 8125 since I'm on cingular. I'm just worried about the sound volume being too low. I've read about the slider not working and such.....many requests to boost the sound but no real answer.
Hmm. New phone called the TyTN? Made also by HTC? May look into that also.
My friend has a T-Mobile MDA and I have the Cingular 8125. He has the original rom that came with the phone and I have the latest one 2.25. We were at my friends basement he had 3-4 bars of connection while I had non or 1 bar. He always has better connection then me.
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My friend has a T-Mobile MDA and I have the Cingular 8125. He has the original rom that came with the phone and I have the latest one 2.25. We were at my friends basement he had 3-4 bars of connection while I had non or 1 bar. He always has better connection then me.
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Okay,let's see here.....
1) Are you both using the same carriers ?
If yes to above, it is a Rom issue.
If no to above, then it is pretty obvious as to the reason for the different signal levels!
I have a Qtek 9100 Wizard with the summiter custom Cingular 2.24 rom and can tell you for a fact that different roms DO act differently.Even roms from the same carriers, I might add! LOL
Later........
Yeah like I said he has T-Mobile and I have Cingular. He has the original rom and I have that new one http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54726 Even with summiter 2.24 rom that I had last month he still had way better connection in my friends basement.
ZzFDKzZ said:
Yeah like I said he has T-Mobile and I have Cingular. He has the original rom and I have that new one http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54726 Even with summiter 2.24 rom that I had last month he still had way better connection in my friends basement.
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That's just to compare Cingular v.s. Tmobile signal, NOT 8125 v.s. MDA.
If your 8125 is SIM unlocked, try put in your friend's SIM card and see how is the signal on your phone; should be much better than your SIM.
.....Like I said, different carriers= different towers =different signal strength. As was said above, if sim unlocked, swap sims and see what happens.
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I never tought about that, I'll try the sim change next time.
I am (along with 3 others from work) thinking of getting the trinity (HTC P3600) phone. The fact it is a pda and phone and has gps all in one is the main reason.
Because it is shipped with windows mobile 5 does the gps work straight from the box? (I have tomtom navigator 6 ready to go on it) Or does I need to download and install an upgrade on the phone/rom? Basically why do no specification charts mention the gps? See for example - http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_p3600-1694.php
I have heard that originally htc shipped it with the gps receiver in the phone but it was not active - they then relented and issued a rom upgrade which allowed it to be made active. Is this correct and if so why did they not originally ship it with the gps working? And also if so are they now shipped with the rom update so the gps works?
Can one get windows mobile 6 and put it on the phone? Why is it still shipped with windows mobile 5 and not 6?
Any help would be appreciated to a newbie!
If your get a device manufactured in April 2007 or later, you're likely to have WM5 with GPS out of the box. If it was manufactured before then, you have an option to upgrade it with official WM5 ROM with GPS support.
If you want WM6, check WM6 topic on this forum... It is not officially available.
I am in the market as well. I can't seem to find any white ones. My black one died and I am not going to reinvest in a device when the coating peels off.
Some dealers are saying that you have to update the ROM after purchasing. Looks like they have old stock. I think the new ones ship with the GPS ROM but I have yet to confirm this.
I am glad they don't ship with WM6 yet. There are some new features but WM5 is tested and stable and does everything I need. If I had Exchange 2007, I would want WM6.
All devices sold after February 2007 by Orange or Dopod should have the GPS enabled ROM.
Some dealers are still selling HTC P3600 with the original ROM, and a CD of the HTC update, but buying direct from HTC should get a genuine GPS ROM.
It beats me why most of the resellers still don't list GPS as a feature (even Orange, though they include a paper insert in the box advertising their [awful] online based Navigation system)
When the P3600 was first being tested, some users reported problems with 3G reception when GPS was active. HTC disabled the GPS while they investigated, rather than delay the launch. Orange and Dopod didn't apparently have any issues hence they were earlier with the GPS ROM. Some pre-production Orange M700's were sold to the public without GPS, but Orange have replaced them on request.
HTC has issued a ROM update from WM5 to WM6 for the P4000.
It's available for download on the HTC America site...
http://www.america.htc.com/support/p4000/software-downloads.html
I hope this comes as good news to those of you waiting (as I have been) for the update to WM6.
Cheers,
Mick
AWESOME FIND!! this is what i've been waiting for since i bought my p4000!
I been checking the Screen Capture in the WEB PAGE for this ROM at HTC and comparing with mine (I Have a MOGUL) and there is some difference with my ROM installed (the last one for the MOGUL, with the SPRINT MUSIC STORE), look a little more updated, I'm just wondering if i can install this ROM (supposedly only for TELUS) in my Sprint MOGUL without any problems.....THANKS
Well, as with the GSM HTC devices, you may need to play with your carrier ID... basically, every carrier brands their devices so that you don't "mess up" and install an update for the wrong device (if its the wrong hardware, the update WILL brick your phone).
Since the Telus and Sprint device in question are the same hardware, it should work. The trick is to fool the updater into working.
This isn't simple, and I'm not sure if anyone has done it yet with the Titan.
QUESTION FOR THOSE THAT HAVE INSTALLED THIS:
are you getting the bluetooth bug that is plaguing the spring Mogul users? How about the directdraw problems?
Does any one still have the ROM?
The site does not exist. HTC has removed the upgrade for this phone... I was wondering if any one still has the copy of this rom?
Ok, heres the situation.
I have a Hero and I'm looking at changing it for another one. Will my software (CoPilot) transfer from one device to the other without me having to pay again?
Pretty sure it will - set up the phone with the same google account, then when you find Co-pilot in the app store it should recognise that you have already bought it an let you install it again.
And, if you are getting a black T-Mobile one like you were looking for, you can let me know if the bluetooth still works ok
Copilot is the best software to use if you switch devices. You have to deactivate if from the software on the Hero first, the reactivate it on your new Hero device. You may have to call Copilot with you Google order number as well.
I had Copilot 7. I changed devices weekly, monthly from WM to symbian, and just deactivated from phone and activated on new phone.
Hello,
Basically at first, my HD2 had a problem with voice reception on other end, sent it to Hong Kong for Warranty, came back with reception good but device constantly restarting, turns out it needed a new Board, send it back to HK for a New Board, came back with a New board.
And now the Phone does not work.
I have tried the following official ROMS :
_HTC
HD2_RUU_Leo_HKCSL_WWE_1.72.831.1_Radio_CRC_Signed_15.32.50.07U_2.07
.51.22_2_Ship - "X" on the phone icon, cant detect sim at all, will
not let me turn Phone on with wireless controls
_HTC
HD2_RUU_Leo_S_HKCSL_WWE_3.14.831.3_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LE
O_S_Ship
"Operation failed" while trying to make a call.
I have tried custom Roms, the current one I am using is the Maelus ROM, 3.2.2
And details on my boot up are :
2.08.50 05
15 34 50 07u
3.14 04666 8G
I even tried Task29 before flashing to the Maelus ROM.
It just doesn't let me turn my Phone on, whenever I go into the settings, and the phone is off, and I tap it, the little progress swirly thing appears in the middle of the screen, then stops and the phone does not go to the "ON" position.
With all those 3 roms I've tried (2 of the official HK ones from HTC Website), and also the Maelus custom rom, I cannot get the Phone to work.
It only worked once when i got the phone back on a good reception area, but now here I can't even actually turn the phone on.
Could anybody Reccomend me a Custom ROM + Radio Version to switch to, i don't know if the official ones didn't work I don't know what to do.
at the moment I got Maelus ROM on with the radio 2.08.50 05, I'm going to upgrade the radio to a slightly newer one to see if that helps. my HTC is on charge at the moment.
Has anybody experienced this issue before, and know any fix? I'm willing to try anything.
Thanks.
EDIT - Actually the Phone does turn on, e.g I can slide the slider on the options to "ON", but it does not pick up the carrier/provider or get any signal, any suggestions welcome.
time to return it again. Just make sure to put on a stock rom/radio/spl before you do so
Trying a newer radio is all you can do as far as software goes as the radio is the software side of what controls reception on your phone. Go to the HTC HD2 Master Radio Thread and download the newer versions of radios. There is eight radio versions newer than the one you have so I would just start at the Leo_RADIO_2.10.50.19_2 and work my way up to the Leo_RADIO_2.15.50.14**. If none of the eight radios solve your issue than download the official stock ROM for your HD2 from HTC. com using your serial number from your HD2 to confirm it is the ROM for your HD2 and the go to the Flash your ROM/Radio via microSD thread to learn how to flash it via SD card so you will be reverted back to complete stock ROM, SPL, radio, and Splash screen. Then send it back for further repairs as it is no more you can do software wise. Good luck hope you get your HD2 working properly again.
Thanks for the reply.
I really don't know what to do other than try different radios, it seems that the people in Hong Kong that work for HTC don't know how to repair phones, it's been returned to me from warranty twice with defects that weren't present in the first place. They fix one defect and it comes back with another.
It seems to not get any signal in some areas where previously it would e.g in lower signal suburbs it gets NO SIGNAL at all, i'm wondering if there is some aerial unit that they forgot to plug in on the board or something, or is it all integrated.
It's so annoying as they want me to pay them to send it back, so I use about $60 to and from every time, and it's about a 3-4 month wait every time. I don't know if I should request they just give me a whole new phone because nothing seems to be right.
I think the SPL program by Cotulla now has the option to put a factory SPL back on.
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Thanks for the reply.
I really don't know what to do other than try different radios, it seems that the people in Hong Kong that work for HTC don't know how to repair phones, it's been returned to me from warranty twice with defects that weren't present in the first place. They fix one defect and it comes back with another.
It seems to not get any signal in some areas where previously it would e.g in lower signal suburbs it gets NO SIGNAL at all, i'm wondering if there is some aerial unit that they forgot to plug in on the board or something, or is it all integrated.
It's so annoying as they want me to pay them to send it back, so I use about $60 to and from every time, and it's about a 3-4 month wait every time. I don't know if I should request they just give me a whole new phone because nothing seems to be right.
I think the SPL program by Cotulla now has the option to put a factory SPL back on.
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Wow that is crap man! It cost you 60 bucks to ship it to them and then 3 to 4 months before you get it back, that is totally unacceptable to me. I would most definitely request a replacement if I was you and tell them that you want the phone shipped to you with return shipping already paid so all you have to do is ship them your current HD2 back to them after you have received the replacement HD2. If you have had to wait that long and pay 60 bucks twice then I feel like you are entitled to a replacement HD2 as they twice have not returned a working HD2 to you.
Yes the HSPL utility by Cotulla does allow you to revert back to a factory SPL, but I suggest you use the SD card flashing method as it insures that you install the correct SPL for the ROM you flash, unless you know the correct SPL you had befor flashing any ROM to your HD2, this is the easiest eway of reverting your HD2 to total stock. One process vs two processes if you flash the ROM via USB.
The radio isn't the problem, if your issue was reception, or battery drain, then yea, it could be the radio, but the symptoms you describe can't be radio version related.
I'd be screaming @ the repair shop that sent you back a defective unit.
I do have an question from a friend of mine wondering about this: If he got an HTC HD2 T-Mobile version (unlocked), and he want to use the 3G AT&T bands (he is currently under their contract), is there a radio file he can use to unlock the bands so he can use the 3G network rather be stuck on EDGE? Also this is proven not to brick the device (a radio version that users on this site are using themselves to make this possible)?
If so, can someone point me in the right direction on acquiring the file? The device already has the HardSPL installed and it is running a cutomized Windows Mobile 6.5.3 ROM image (I did this for him so he can have the better ROM than the stock T-Mobile version). The SIM is unlocked as he is using it on AT&T but he is only on EDGE for now. Thank You very much
TKETZ196 said:
I do have an question from a friend of mine wondering about this: If he got an HTC HD2 T-Mobile version (unlocked), and he want to use the 3G AT&T bands (he is currently under their contract), is there a radio file he can use to unlock the bands so he can use the 3G network rather be stuck on EDGE? Also this is proven not to brick the device (a radio version that users on this site are using themselves to make this possible)?
If so, can someone point me in the right direction on acquiring the file? The device already has the HardSPL installed and it is running a cutomized Windows Mobile 6.5.3 ROM image (I did this for him so he can have the better ROM than the stock T-Mobile version). The SIM is unlocked as he is using it on AT&T but he is only on EDGE for now. Thank You very much
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can can not use ATT 3G bands on a tmobile HD2, it doesn't have the hardware to support it.
Hi,
Well an update, I took the phone to a local repair shop, and surprise surprise, the antenna wasn't even connected, it was broken in half the antenna clip, so I had to pay $200 to get that fixed....... the signal is good, but at times it will drop out, whether the initial breakage of the antenna caused it to be not so good even when repaired I don't know, they put a whole new antenna in though, maybe the refurbished board that HTC HK Put in (The repair guy said they use Refurb boards), is causing the problem.
So HTC is a slack company, that can't employ people to properly repair their phones, just putting it out there. They say they can't replace the phone.
I am thinking of selling this one and getting a T-Mobile one (I am in Australia), is there any advantage of getting a T-Mobile other than the added 1024mb Memory? Does it have better signal or run faster? I want another HD2 so wondering which flavor I should get if it comes to that.
Thanks.
Hi. I am not sure that the 1024 is limted on other devices if you hack the Bootloader and put in a different ROM version. I believe the official ROM for the devices native to your country locks out the remaining ROM space, as it may do with the amount of RAM as well. I would have to look that up. I assume that most HTC HD2 handsets would be built generally the same (with the exception of the GSM chip as I have been informed).
The T-Mobile version, i believe will not allow you to use the 3G bands in your country if you are using Telstra Wireless (unless it uses the 1700 mhz spectrum as well as the 850 for its 3G). In the USA the equivolent would be AT&T and i have also been informed that the T-Mobile version HD2 will not pick up the band, no matter what you may try to do (like flashing the radio firmware).
kidcash said:
Hi,
Well an update, I took the phone to a local repair shop, and surprise surprise, the antenna wasn't even connected, it was broken in half the antenna clip, so I had to pay $200 to get that fixed....... the signal is good, but at times it will drop out, whether the initial breakage of the antenna caused it to be not so good even when repaired I don't know, they put a whole new antenna in though, maybe the refurbished board that HTC HK Put in (The repair guy said they use Refurb boards), is causing the problem.
So HTC is a slack company, that can't employ people to properly repair their phones, just putting it out there. They say they can't replace the phone.
I am thinking of selling this one and getting a T-Mobile one (I am in Australia), is there any advantage of getting a T-Mobile other than the added 1024mb Memory? Does it have better signal or run faster? I want another HD2 so wondering which flavor I should get if it comes to that.
Thanks.
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As you live in Australia I suggest you get a Telstra HD2 if 3G is important to you. If not go for the T-Mobile HD2 it is great, but then again I have never used any other HD2.