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I use a no brand Stereo BT headset on the Atom and found the quality is unacceptable poor. I just want to confirm if it's just me or it's a common problem for Atom.
I found the BT stereo quality very poor too. Tried
1. i-Tech S35
2. Gobalsat BT-830 (apart from stop/pause, AVRCP works fine with WM 10)
3. Nokia HS-12W (apart from stop/pause, AVRCP works fine with WM 10)
quality is way worser compared with the original headphone that came with Atom. I read somewhere this was due to the poor audio chipset used in Atom. Any way to fix that?
BTW, all the above 3 Bluetooth stereo headsets have excellent audio output when listening music from PC (using Widcomm 4.0.1.2800).
I believe it was due to the BT version used. I too tried
1. i-Tech R35 (V1.2)
2. Nokia HS-12W (V2.0)
When pairing both of them with Atom, the sound quality is not that good (always got hissing sound). The same applies when I use the i-Tech headset with my 818pro.
On the other hand, when I use the Nokia headset with 818pro (A2DP enabled), the quality becomes quite good (no significant difference from wired headsets). BTW, I think the Moto BT headset supports V2.0 too, and seems ppl around got some good experience with it and 818pro.
As I mainly use my Atom nowadays (my 818pro got the screen misalignment problem unfortunately), I already forgot about BT headsets.
From all you guys comments, I am not alone in having poor A2DP quality. It's a shame for giving out A2DP but unacceptable quality. :evil:
I-tech S35
Thanks so much for that information. I was really tempted to "upgrade" to an Atom from my Mini because the former had the built in bluetooth so it's a good thing to know I shouldn't upgrade because I was really after the A2DP functionality (since I thought the full release a2dp would be much better than the mini's "hacked" a2dp).
Maybe the stack used on the Atom is not that good. Have you tried upgrading the ROM?
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what are u guys sayin ?
the quality of A2DP in my Atom (last ROM upgrade) is excellent !
and i do know how to appreciate the quality, cause i came from a V3x (quality was amazing too).
i am using the motorola HT-820.
the sound is much better than my crappy ipod video (to sell if someone interested) :arrow:
to fix ur problems, u should :
1- upgrade to the latest rom.
2- turn the crappy equalizer off (its a really useless feature)
3- when u go to bluetooth settings, hold ur bluetooth device and '' set as wireless stereo''
that may be the key for clearer sound.
also i didnt like the equalizer (am i alone ?) i found that the speakers are worse than ever.
what do u guys think? :arrow:
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goldsaint said:
what are u guys sayin ?
the quality of A2DP in my Atom (last ROM upgrade) is excellent !
and i do know how to appreciate the quality, cause i came from a V3x (quality was amazing too).
i am using the motorola HT-820.
the sound is much better than my crappy ipod video (to sell if someone interested) :arrow:
to fix ur problems, u should :
1- upgrade to the latest rom.
2- turn the crappy equalizer off (its a really useless feature)
3- when u go to bluetooth settings, hold ur bluetooth device and '' set as wireless stereo''
that may be the key for clearer sound.
also i didnt like the equalizer (am i alone ?) i found that the speakers are worse than ever.
what do u guys think? :arrow:
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How's it compared with the using the original headset came with your Atom? For me, bluetooth A2DP is way worse.
I used the same i-Tech clip S35 on XDA 2i, and the A2DP qualitiy is as good as the wired headset came with XDA 2i.
Thanks.
Wired vs Wireless
ok, with the regular wired stereo headset the sound is Ok, but not that good if i compare to my ipod video.
i highly prefer the a2dp system as it seems ur inside a nightclub while using it.
but if i have to choose between the wired headsets or the HT820, i would rather go with the BT headset.
the only thing, is that dangerous for life ? (like getting brain cancer etc... wish not..)
As I mentioned before, I have tested all the combinations for 818pro, Atom (both with latest rom) and two BT headsets i-Tech R35 and Nokia HS-12W, and only found that the BT 2.0 combination, ie, 818pro with HS-12W, produces good enough music quality. For all other combinations, there is always some pretty obvious hizzing sound around when playing a soung. That hizzing sound is not background sound, as it won't appear if I stop playing any song. It only appears when a certain part of a song is played.
It seems to me that the hizzing sound is caused by insufficient bandwidth or over-compression of the data transmission (or both?). This also matches with my test result.
If I am using the 818pro (it is pending for repair), I will surely bring the HS-12W around. Otherwise, I will just stick with my wired adapter + Sony headset.
possible sol guys.
what is that ?
'' MSFP AKU 2.0 ''
it looks like a guy in another forum did an upgrade with this and got a superior sound etc...?
??? :arrow:
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goldsaint said:
what is that ?
'' MSFP AKU 2.0 ''
it looks like a guy in another forum did an upgrade with this and got a superior sound etc...?
??? :arrow:
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AKU 2.0 comes with support for A2DP.
In the case for XDA Atom, A2DP was supported on the day O2 released Atom.
A2DP quality in Atom was poor regardless of the Rom version, I tried the following roms:
1. 20060123B1WWE
2. Xda-Atom-ENG-20060123_Feb2006_.exe
3. R060221N_MN1ARC_RS00045
4. DSUU_ARC_C060414WWE_R060327N_EX0016__test_only_not_for_sale
5. Xda-Atom-ENG-20060426B1WWE
As described by buruburu, hizzing sound appears when a certain part of a song is played. Turning On/Off the equalizer doesn't seem to have any effect.
When listening the same song using wired headset, the quality was good, so can't be the problem of the song I am listening.
When listening the same Song using my PC (BT 1.2 with Widcomm 4.0.1.2800 stack), the quality was good as well.
So, no problem with the song I am listening, no problem with the BT Stereo headset I am using, no problem with the BT version (1.2 in Atom, 1.2 in PC; don't have BT 2.0, so can't tell) I am using, and my BT headset works fine making/receiving phone calls.
Conclusion:
1. the BT stack in Atom has a problem;
2. the audio chipset in Atom was a cheap and lousy one;
3. my Atom has a problem (I am in UK, don't have another Atom to test)
If it's (1), hope someone can fix it!!![/i]
tcmp
forgot to tell u guys : i get good quality cause i dont use crappy windows media player to play my mp3s, i use TCMP for every file i have.
and it works a charm.
the only thing i dont get, is that sometimes during the song play, it stops for a second then go back to it.
wierd :shock:
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forgot to tell u guys : i get good quality cause i dont use crappy windows media player to play my mp3s, i use TCMP for every file i have.
and it works a charm.
the only thing i dont get, is that sometimes during the song play, it stops for a second then go back to it.
wierd :shock:
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Aha! Finally found this topic. I'm on O² Atom + Jabra BT620s. The headset sound quality is superb stable on pc (5mb limit Bluesoil). On Atom... WM10 sounds too low even volume maxed, the equalizer doesn't work on A2DP. The best is on TCPMP where I can blast the pre-amp to make it louder. The quality is "ok²", hisses are seldom but hiccups exists once or twice in wma/mp3 tracks and too bad headset playback function only work on WM10 not TCPMP. And to click my headset when answering calls, I've to set TCPMP not to play on background, after clicking, I've to increase the headset volume.
Does any of you guys who's using other than Atom experience hiccups on A2DP? And those with Atom other than goldsaint? I don't think it's Jabra's but Atom fault itself. I've only SmallMenuPlus and O²Plus running in background (all startup removed), no battery/space monitors on today and overclocked to constant stable 520Mhz with XCPUScalar on the latest firmware. Thank you...
Am using I-Tech Clip S with my ATOM and sound quality is EXcellent!!! No hissing sound at all.
I highly recommend taking a look at the following,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54621
I had the same complaint, but these registry edits cleared up my quality problems almost entirely.
Tweaked the bitpool settings to 53 but did not recognize any improvement. The other 2 tweaks is useless for me-- whenever i used my I-Tech Clip S BT headset/wireless stereo, can't hear the other callers voice. Streaming audio to my Clip-S is OK but no noticeable difference.
Cheers
I've tried my two bluetooth stereo headset on HP-2210 , DOPOD 818Pro and O2 Atom,one thing is certain,the sound qulilaty in O2 Atom is worst and poor.I consider the problem is ROM Firmware.
Some of the tweaks cause more harm than good
I removed all traces of these tweaks by doing a hard-reset, and my bt stereo is just fine with the occassional break. 8)
IMHO we should not just apply every tweak just because someone posted :twisted: EG some one claims he installed Atom Exec ROM on regular Atom Now he has vamoosed when asked to share. Some one posted a 4-letter word due to the mess he had when he followed that line :twisted:
Not to go against the current trend, but I entered the following into the reg editor and it made a huge improved in the sound quality using the Samsung SBH-100 headphones.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings]
"BitPool"=dword:00000053
"SampleRate"=dword:00044100
Still get the occasional skip but fingers crossed something will come up to fix this soon.
I’ve been searching through the forums and in the shops for some Bluetooth earphones. I quite like the look of the HTC S100 but haven’t been able to find anywhere as yet that sells them
See http://www.expansys.com/zoompic.asp?type=item&code=140285
I don’t want the Bluetooth headsets that are available (the ones that hang on your ear or headphones)
I’m looking for something similar to the HTC ones that will work with the HTC Tytn. Something that has the option to use your own earphones would be nice but not important to me.
What do people use that works well with there tytn for listening to music with normal earphones?
BT Stereo Earphones--works on TyTN--Reliable eBay seller
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bluetooth-Clip-...ihZ009QQcategoryZ3274QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
Nokia HS-12W works fine for me, Bluetooth A2DP, built-in RDS radio, plus LCD screen showing you the incoming phone number (name option doens't work).
So, Storm99, the Nokia HS-12W actually has a built-in radio that works in wireless stereo with the HTC TyTn? There's no need to use a Nokia phone in order to make the radio work? Please confirm!
What's the sound like? Is it OK in noisy environments?
Thank's!
I’ve been searching through the forums and in the shops for some Bluetooth earphones. I quite like the look of the HTC S100 but haven’t been able to find anywhere as yet that sells them
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Thats because they aren't for sale yet. Well in the US at least. But you can always pre-order here
http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?code=140286
Storm,
Does the HS-12W have fwd/back and +/- buttons?
I can't find any decent info on it.
Cheers
Guys,
I've bought a 2GB MiniSD just to realize the audio quality of my Qtek is not very good - 192Kbps WMA sounds like a 32Kbps on my laptop. I am currently using the HTC headset that comes with the phone. So the options are:
- Headset is bad
- 'Sound hardware' is bad
So, can anyone share his experience of listening to music on Wizard. Would buying a better headset (like KOSS or Sennheiser) with a jack adapter help? Or is it the phone sound hardware that sucks? What about A2DP?
Thanks,
Ross
I've just bought a set of HP AD2P headphones off ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....name=STRK:MEWN:IT&viewitem=&item=140054575540
And they are excellent! Very impressed and excellent price (£23 inc delivery). Smaller and lighter weight than other bluetooth headphones I've seen. Came with AC adapter for the built-in lithion-iron battery. Apparently runs for about 8hrs.
I've also got a set of AKG K26 wired headphones (however you'll need a 3.5mm to 2.5mm adapter)
http://www.headphone.com/products/headphones/earpad/akg-k-26-p.php
The AKG K26 is renowned for fantastic bass so I was very surprised to find the HP ones were very comparable.
rkhomenko said:
Guys,
I've bought a 2GB MiniSD just to realize the audio quality of my Qtek is not very good - 192Kbps WMA sounds like a 32Kbps on my laptop. I am currently using the HTC headset that comes with the phone. So the options are:
- Headset is bad
- 'Sound hardware' is bad
So, can anyone share his experience of listening to music on Wizard. Would buying a better headset (like KOSS or Sennheiser) with a jack adapter help? Or is it the phone sound hardware that sucks? What about A2DP?
Thanks,
Ross
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It's the A2DP implementation in AKU2 that sucks. Once a decent AKU3 (conversion) is released with built-in REAL AKU3 (not that of AKU2), the problems will go away.
Please make sure you check out the General forum here; I've posted several articles in there on these matters. Certainly worth a thorough read.
I have recently bought a plantronics 590A stereo bluetooth headset and have been very happy with the sound. My only advice is do research on your headset before you make a purchase because although the quality is very good on the 590A, it has a blinking blue light that continuously goes on, which makes the headset look quite wierd. Anyway, in terms of quality, it has been surprisingly pretty good.
Even with the wired manufacturer headset I got with my 8125 the quality wasn't amazing, but was better that you described.
I also have bought an adapter and used my own headphones, and again, not great, but not that bad.
Something may be wrong with your hardware, or search the forum for various registry tweaks to improve sound quality. If you can, I would definetly see if you can get another phone (through warranty), because the sound should not be that horrible.
now if this only had a microphone too....
rkhomenko said:
Guys,
I've bought a 2GB MiniSD just to realize the audio quality of my Qtek is not very good - 192Kbps WMA sounds like a 32Kbps on my laptop. I am currently using the HTC headset that comes with the phone. So the options are:
- Headset is bad
- 'Sound hardware' is bad
So, can anyone share his experience of listening to music on Wizard. Would buying a better headset (like KOSS or Sennheiser) with a jack adapter help? Or is it the phone sound hardware that sucks? What about A2DP?
Thanks,
Ross
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I think it actually has something to do with the fact that the sound hardware sucks... I feel that any amount of bass or treble over the norm (even as little as +2dB) causes the thing to distort badly...
My old HP h2210 had an excellent sound chip in it, and also, i'm used to the X-Fi in my PC, and some sennheiser HD595s, so of course, it will sound poo...
TauTau said:
now if this only had a microphone too....
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The 590A does have a mike - if you meant that.
zakhir_n said:
I have recently bought a plantronics 590A stereo bluetooth headset and have been very happy with the sound. My only advice is do research on your headset before you make a purchase because although the quality is very good on the 590A, it has a blinking blue light that continuously goes on, which makes the headset look quite wierd. Anyway, in terms of quality, it has been surprisingly pretty good.
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Try listening to any music that has *human singing* in it and compare it to the quality through wires (when you do the same by connecting the 590A to the Wizard with the wire that comes with the 590A)
Unfortunately, the 590A, being probably the best stereo headsphone, is *very* sensitive to this kind of distortion.
Update
I've bought an AD-18 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter from Nokia to try my Wizard with different wired headphones around my office.
First observation - the sound is much better with 'normal' heaphones (Seinheiser). I would switch to better conventional headphones immediately, however, the volume is really low and I don's seem to figure out how to get it up. Does it have to do anything with resistance? Was it the case for anyone else? May be it is the Nokia adapter causing trouble?
Ross
Actually, the audio hardware in the Wizard just sucks big time. I have a pretty high end audio system in my car. It also has a line input on the front for connecting an mp3 player or whatever (even though it already plays mp3 files). Anyways, I can connect my Wizard to that line in using a cable and the sound is really poor quality. Dynamic range is not very good and the high end is seriously cut off. I have to boost the crap out of it in TCPMP but still can't get it to sound right. I can play the same MP3 off a CD and the quality is much better, CD quality (I typically use high quality vbr encoding). I can take a cheapo $15 MP3 player we got for the kids and it has much better sound quality using the same cable and input so I know it's not there. I've also tried multiple 2.5mm->3.5mm adapters with no change. Different ROMs also don't seem to make a difference in it. I can only conclude, then, that it has to be the audio hardware.
I would like to find a device that uses the A2DP profile to sync with my phone and has a phono (headphone) or RCA output plug or jack so that I could hook it into my car stereo. Any one know of such a beast?
This is bad news. I have been digging around trying to find an adapter that would allow me to use the phone as my mp3 player, whilst allowing me to plug in an external powered mic, so I can can cradle the phone in a mount and get decent talk volume to my caller. In fact, I just order a 4gb card to get more of my library on the go.
I'll have to give my daughters iPod a try and see if there is any difference. As much as I hate iTunes, maybe I'll have to spring for a new iPhone. I would upgrade to the 8525, if not for the micro SD, which is yet another rant for me. It irks me to no end that every device I have seems to use a different card format. I think HTC is not doing right by the customer to go to the micro SD format. As it stands, I could not use my SX66 cards in my Wizard. I have a hard time believing the micro to mini would drastically change the form factor.
If you mean the voice portion is totally muddled... you either have a defective headset or a defective jack. I suspect that there's a short from the sound to ground...
Avatar28 said:
I would like to find a device that uses the A2DP profile to sync with my phone and has a phono (headphone) or RCA output plug or jack so that I could hook it into my car stereo. Any one know of such a beast?
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Bit of an old post, but if anyone's interested, Connects2 does an adapter that is just as you describe. It is a BTAV01 Bluetooth interface for A2DP. Connects to any aftermarket radio with RCA connectors
Hi all,
I've got a Magician, lovin' it etc etc
The point is that I've lost the stereo headset that came within!! So I decided to go buying a new one: sadly there aren't any near seller that give 2.5mm headsets!! And the converter that I bought works really bad, often losing connection..
I have found that a Nokia handsfree (http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_headset_pinout.shtml it's the 3210 one) fits perfectly, but it's mono and mic&button aren't working..
It's possible to modify it, cutting off the mic and inserting another speaker instead of it? Are there any diagrams for the Magician's 2.5mm output?
Many thanks..
MocciJ
Compatible Stereo HandsFree
Hi,
You can use Sony Ericson P900 Hands free its compatible.
I am using this and its woww great sound.
Please buy the original hands free there are fake hands free from other companies which dont have good sound if you listen to music.
after checking many bluetooth devices i got 3 majo contenders. buti am not able to figure out which one to buy.
1) Motorokr s9
2) HBH-DS970
3) HBH-DS980
am not sure whats the difference between 970 and 980. i tested s9 but felt when i speak it is difficult on the other side to listen, is that right? or is this because i dont have bluetooth fix and the other s/w installed?
Doesn't matter which, just don't get a Jabra headset. I had one for a week, then sold it and bought a Moto. The Jabra BT620s is absolute crap, as is Jabra customer support.
Jozer99 said:
Doesn't matter which, just don't get a Jabra headset. I had one for a week, then sold it and bought a Moto. The Jabra BT620s is absolute crap, as is Jabra customer support.
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I've had a Jabra 8040 for 3 weeks and it's great. The listening volume is low, but that's a BT stack issue and not an issue with the headset. Personally, I'm more apt to trust a company that ONLY makes headset rather than a company that makes other products besides headsets.
I've got a pair of Motorola S9's and love them. Had no problems. I use them to stream internet radio over bluetooth when I'm working out at the gym.
-Jay
The difference between the HBH-DS970 & HBH-DS980 are mainly on the displayed informations. You get more informations displayed on 980. For instance, DS980 is capable of listing all paired devices. If you flashed your device often. After ROM upgrade, you can easily select the device name from the DS980 list to reactivate the partnership.
The displayed text is also better on DS980 due to its higher resolution screen. Moreover, battery life seems to be better as well.
Due to the BT improvement on WM6.1, DS980 now is able to access the PPC Contacts & call history. Thus you can dial directly from the DS980 unit itself either based on last dial, call history or search for contact to dial. I assume DS970 can do that as well.
Sound quality of DS980/970 are the best that I've tried so far. Noise reduction is excellent. Bass sound is deep & powerfull, volume level is loud.
BTW, I upgraded from DS970 to DS980. The only reason to choose DS970 over DS980 is price. If that is not an issue, then DS980 is the one.
I can't comment on Motorola as I never use one
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The difference between the HBH-DS970 & HBH-DS980 are mainly on the displayed informations. You get more informations displayed on 980. For instance, DS980 is capable of listing all paired devices. If you flashed your device often. After ROM upgrade, you can easily select the device name from the DS980 list to reactivate the partnership.
The displayed text is also better on DS980 due to its higher resolution screen. Moreover, battery life seems to be better as well.
Due to the BT improvement on WM6.1, DS980 now is able to access the PPC Contacts & call history. Thus you can dial directly from the DS980 unit itself either based on last dial, call history or search for contact to dial. I assume DS970 can do that as well.
Sound quality of DS980/970 are the best that I've tried so far. Noise reduction is excellent. Bass sound is deep & powerfull, volume level is loud.
BTW, I upgraded from DS970 to DS980. The only reason to choose DS970 over DS980 is price. If that is not an issue, then DS980 is the one.
I can't comment on Motorola as I never use one
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thanks a lot bro...really appreciate your review. was looking for such review only...i tried s9. its a good headset in terms of listening to the music but if you want to talk using that it sucks. i have another question for the 970/980 while on call it uses only one ear or both as in S9 its only one side. so you listen to music in stereo sound but talk in mono only.....
gandotratushar said:
thanks a lot bro...really appreciate your review. was looking for such review only...i tried s9. its a good headset in terms of listening to the music but if you want to talk using that it sucks. i have another question for the 970/980 while on call it uses only one ear or both as in S9 its only one side. so you listen to music in stereo sound but talk in mono only.....
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Both talk/music are in stereo
gandotratushar said:
thanks a lot bro...really appreciate your review. was looking for such review only...i tried s9. its a good headset in terms of listening to the music but if you want to talk using that it sucks. i have another question for the 970/980 while on call it uses only one ear or both as in S9 its only one side. so you listen to music in stereo sound but talk in mono only.....
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That's because the S9 has the mic embeded in one side. It picks up your voice from inside your ear. Great for noisy or windy areas. Units that utilize both speakers are still mono. Telephone conversations are sent over the lines in mono. If you take a cheap transistor radio and add a second speaker to it, its not stereo.
-Jay
Might not be an answer to your question, but I got the DR-BT20NX, which are bud headphones with a mic on the control fob. Audio is pretty good and I've used it for h/f in the car until I bought my thb-bury kit. They don't have any display on the fob tho - and the fob looks a bit clunky by comparison.
Cost £40, so pretty cheap
[email protected] said:
Due to the BT improvement on WM6.1, DS980 now is able to access the PPC Contacts & call history. Thus you can dial directly from the DS980 unit itself either based on last dial, call history or search for contact to dial. I assume DS970 can do that as well.
Sound quality of DS980/970 are the best that I've tried so far. Noise reduction is excellent. Bass sound is deep & powerfull, volume level is loud.
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Does the track info get displayed now with WM 6.1 or is that still on the wish list for the future ?
I must admit since buying my DS980 i've had no problems and the sound quality is great, i love how it auto turns the volume up when you walk into a noisy enviroment to compensate.
Loud A2DP, a chimera, an uncatchable dream still, even if we are walking towards the end of the first 2K decade.
I've tried a lot of them, wasted a lot of money, all of them were dull, low volumed craps of silicon got me everytime going back to wires.
But now I discovered something really worth mentioning. It's not 100% perfect but yes it's 96% perfect (I had Motorola S705 and i'd give it 20%), loud, clear and screaming.
Gentlemen it's Nokia's BH-500. 3.5mm audiojack for your fave earphones and loud loud LOUD.. Espec on my kaiser this thing rocks. It's almost like listening to Pocket Music wired something like a volumeclick down no more..
After everything been through I HAVE to spread the good news guys. No more wasted money on A2DP. (They should allow testing before you buy but they don't. If they did I'be rich )
I'm looking for non-wired now. I'll give BH-503 a try (princess Leia kindastyle). It's new to the market and I trust Nokia in the sound dept. (N91 is the best and loud MP3 player ever ever) so I'll keep you informed..