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WHICH AD2p Headset?

Ok guys, so I patch the firmware to get AD2p....
What headset(s) do you guys like? Being able to use them for both audio AND phone calls is a must..... seamlessly is even better.
Recommendations?

I have an Atom and I have the motorola ht820s.
When I'm not driving, they are excellent for music/speech and answering calls seamlessly. Mini-usb charger(same as atom) is an added bonus for me.
Highly recommend.
(reason for not driving is that in cali, you can't wear headphones while driving, so I use regular BT hands free for when i'm in car)

Motorola HT820 headphones work great with my T-Mobile MDA. Here is my review at pocketnow.com. At the time of the review the A2DP fix for the MDA was not available, but once I installed A2DP, it worked like a charm.

The motos are good if you want a well integrated phone/stereo headset that has no issues with the wizard, but I sent mine back for replacement because they didn't compare to the HP FA303s (Logitech is the same thing) when it came to hifi sound and max volume. The motos exhibited a real noticable distortion in the high end frequencies when compared to the FA303s. I'm hoping I got a defective pair because I really liked how comfortable they were too.
Stay away from the IOgear stereo/phone headset. A friend of mine let me try his and while the fidelity and volume was even better than the HPs, there were serious bluetooth connection issues. I had to refresh the device in bluetooth settings every time I wanted to use it just to get it to pair up, and the phone headset never worked properly.

Do the HP/Logitech ones have full PHONE functionality as well? I want to be able to make/receive a phone call while listening to stereo music without having to dork around with taking off the phones, etc.

No, that is their downfall: no phone headset capability. That in a nutshell is why there's no perfect solution out there IMO...

G-SAT BTH 820
I just got the G-SAT BTH 820. They has a small bluetooth until which the headphones plug into (allowing any headphones with a 3.5mm jack) to work. The bluetooth unit has the media player controls and the mic and is quite small (think of a shorter IPOD shuffle). Volume is really good; sound quality good, though slight background noise. While there is a wire from the headphones to the bluetooth unit, you are still untethered from your PPC..and i prefer being able to use the really light headphones (since the bluetooth unit and controls are not in the headphone). A great value since they are only around $60.

BES102 + BES103
I have the BES102 bluetooth stereo headset. It's great value for money since, aside from the headset, it also comes with the BES103 bluetooth transmitter dongle which can be used with any audio source. The headset also comes with a detachable mic attachment to enable you to receive calls while listening to music on your phone-enabled PDA (though I have not been able to make it work; I think it's an A2DP flaw). It also comes with a power adaptor, a USB cable and a splitter power cable that lets you charge both headset and dongle at the same time.
I got it for less than S$100 at Trendsmobile.

Sleuth255, im thinking if i should get the HP or Motos...which one do you think is best for my Vario...i dont want something big on my ears...which is why i looked at the HP ones
im considering on the basis of sound quality and the comfort when warn..

If my replacement motos have the same high end distortion then I'll return them. I'm keeping the HP's for sure unless the fidelity and volume of the replacements is much better.
It's a tough choice for sure. The motos have stellar integration with the Wizard and work pretty much flawlessly when switching from phone to stereo mode. They always pair right up too. Great bluetooth implementation.

fair enough mate...but if a phone call comes while your listening to music via the HP headphones will the voice go through the headphones....and do you have to hold the Vario close to ur head to speak...
or can you just use the phone normally....
because theirs no point in buying them if you gotta listen to the voice through the headphones and hold the phone near ur lips.....(thats like walkie talkies) lol

My problem exactly. You can hear the phone ringing through the headset but when you pick up it goes dead. I wonder if speakerphone works though. I'll check that in a few...
By comparison, the motos are awsome for this... they automatically pause the music when you pick up the phone then resume after you disconnect. The phone actually rings in the background while the music continues to play too so you can check the caller-id and keep listening if its not somebody you want to talk to.
I've got my fingers crossed that the problem with my first headset was actually a defect and that my next ones will be better. It'll be a few weeks before I can determine this though because it's 3 business days one way for UPS and I shipped out the old headset last Friday.

I just tested this: The HPs cut out completely when a phone call either comes in or is initiated from my 8125. Speakerphone mode merely sends the phonecall to my 8125's built in speakers.

hmmmmm thanks for the test mate...
I'd rather not buy the headphones then, considering the hands free are still good enough.... :idea:
£50 of mine can be spent elsewhere (driving lesson etc)
Hopefully someone may write a hack for that problem then...

Thank you guys for pointing out the HT820 headphones. I'm tempted top buy a pair, there's some good prices on ebay too. Well i was looking for other options and notices the Plantronics Pulsar 590A. I like the look of the motorola's more but the plantronics... well its plantronics. Anyone had experience with the both of them?

Hmmmm... guess I'll wait for more reports...

Nokia HS12w Rocks....with FM :lol:

I have the Moto HT820 and the jabra BT620. When I first put the Jabras on my head I was going to throw them in the trash until I figured out the sound was ampliifed in TCMP. I turned th esound down on my phone and headset and away we go. I like both but think the Motos may have a farther range. Next for me is the Nextlinks Spider when it comes out that one is going to be sick. BTW both work well with Windows Media Player.

hdubli said:
Nokia HS12w Rocks....with FM :lol:
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How's the range? Any background noise?

the best in my Opinion with an incredible sound is the logitech. I have the HT820(Headset,Headphone Combo), Sharper Image and the Logitech (Headphone Only)
The Logitech is the Best. Usually Headsets lack Bass and this Headsets is best in that area. It misses the Highs a little but that you can fix with little EQ'ing. The Headset fits nice and is not so bulky then HT820. The Smallest is the Sharper Image. But only 4h batt life.
So out of all these 3 i have i use the logitech the most because of the Sound.

Sound quality issue

I run Pocket Music Player on my Mda compact, but the sound quality is much more mono-like then when i play the same track on my PC in winamp.
Is this due to the sound engine my mda compact uses?
I want to experience the same stereo sound on my mda as on my pc.
(i compared both interfaces (mda and pc) with the same track and with the same headphones)
Does anybody has an idea to make my sound more stereo, or install a new soundengine?
thnxz!

There was a small file i downloaded off this forum that allowed you to customize the bass and treble levels and in my honest opinion it did wonders for the sound quality the file name was DSP_EN (do a search and u would be able to get it)
also one word of advise the headphones that come with the compact/jam are complete crap for hearing music

Yes indeed that produces much more very low bass in the sounds makes it much warmer! thnxz
But still... the sound that my mda produces is much less stereo then my pc does, (with the same mp3 and headphones)
Can i adjust this?

Out of curiosity, how do you manage to use the same headphones on your Magician and your PC? You have one of those proper 2.5mm to 3.5mm converters? (The ones with THREE rings on the 2.5mm plug and an inline microphone, that is)
Well anyway, the sound quality out of your Magician is unlikely to match the sound quality of your computer, as... well note how much bigger the computer is . The loathesome 2.5mm plug used by, irritatingly, phones is already inferior to 3.5mm plugs due to their lack of size alone, as less size = less area of contact = less sound data flowing from your Magician to your ears. This means that you won't ever get a sound that is as full as one from your computer or a good mp3 player from your Magician. And also, considering that its a lot of everything packed into such a small device, the audio components aren't really a priority, so they're probably average quality at best.
Having said that, Magicians (apparently) have above-average sound quality for a mobile phone\Pocket PC that isnt dedicated to audio. You might want to try MortPlayer (google it) as it has a nice equaliser along with some sound processing effects that may help in reducing the 'mononess' of your sound.

I use indeed the 2,5 to 3,5 mm adapter.
I was wondering maybe that is the problem.
The 2,5 mm jack that comes originally with the phone has 3 rings. my adapter has only 2. So maybe the sound gets mono because the adapter plug only touches 1 ring instead of two (for stereo sound.)
i will try to fit my new earphones on the originally ones (cutting and welming)
we'll see
thnxz anyway

toomuchdogfur said:
Out of curiosity, how do you manage to use the same headphones on your Magician and your PC? You have one of those proper 2.5mm to 3.5mm converters? (The ones with THREE rings on the 2.5mm plug and an inline microphone, that is)
Well anyway, the sound quality out of your Magician is unlikely to match the sound quality of your computer, as... well note how much bigger the computer is . The loathesome 2.5mm plug used by, irritatingly, phones is already inferior to 3.5mm plugs due to their lack of size alone, as less size = less area of contact = less sound data flowing from your Magician to your ears. This means that you won't ever get a sound that is as full as one from your computer or a good mp3 player from your Magician. And also, considering that its a lot of everything packed into such a small device, the audio components aren't really a priority, so they're probably average quality at best.
Having said that, Magicians (apparently) have above-average sound quality for a mobile phone\Pocket PC that isnt dedicated to audio. You might want to try MortPlayer (google it) as it has a nice equaliser along with some sound processing effects that may help in reducing the 'mononess' of your sound.
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thats the worst logic i have ever come across.......there is nothing called "sound data"
what flows through earphone wires is just some varying voltage.there is no difference of sound quality just because it is 2.5 mm.
in ur computer sound card integrated circuits ..the jump wires and contacts are microns thin.....this means u hardly hear anything because all ur "sound data" is lost in thin connecting wires. wires and contacts are not like water pipes....less diameter means less flow!
buy a converter meant for magician and use 3.5mm without any loss of quality.

use a2dp headset .... great bass and tribles....

try nokia hs-47
Well, I try nokia stereo set HS-47 to listening music with TCPMP player sound wonderful n answering button work well.
When receiving calls its clear sound that we listen, like we'll tallking near to the person. maybe getting more sensitive since its not made for magician but its an advantage for me to used it.

Bluetooth/MiniUSB/3.5mm Question

1. I've seen adapters from MiniUSB to 3.5mm. (I think one actually came with the HTC version, but not with the AT&T Tilt - although the Tilt manual insists that it's there!)
2. I've seen adapters from MiniUSB to 3.5mm with a built in mic for handsfree operation too.
3. I've seen 3.5mm bluetooth adapters so you can eliminate cables completely.
I'll be mounting my phone above my dash and my aux-in port is in my center console. As such, I'd like a wireless solution (like #3), but I'd also like hands-free operation (like #2). I know such a thing exists (I found one on eBay), but surely there's a more elegant solution out there? Not one shamelessly parading around as a iPod shuffle?

Does anyone know of a hands-free device that connects to the phone via bluetooth and has a standard 3.5mm audio out? The only one I've found is parading around like an iPod shuffle - more than a little tacky.

i have one, it does look a bit like a shuffle though... works great though and even came with a BT transmiter that you can plug into anything with a 3.5mm jack and it will stream it with A2DP ( the receiver/headset is A2DP also) all for like $35 shipped. i monted it in my motorcycle helmet so i have wireless tunes plus the call come through both speackers so its actually intelligable while riding
IMHO its worth putting up with the shuffle-esque look for the price and features

This looks good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875156001
Tritton AX Bluestream

drokkon said:
1. I've seen adapters from MiniUSB to 3.5mm. (I think one actually came with the HTC version, but not with the AT&T Tilt - although the Tilt manual insists that it's there!)
2. I've seen adapters from MiniUSB to 3.5mm with a built in mic for handsfree operation too.
3. I've seen 3.5mm bluetooth adapters so you can eliminate cables completely.
I'll be mounting my phone above my dash and my aux-in port is in my center console. As such, I'd like a wireless solution (like #3), but I'd also like hands-free operation (like #2). I know such a thing exists (I found one on eBay), but surely there's a more elegant solution out there? Not one shamelessly parading around as a iPod shuffle?
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Well, it is a bit more expensive, but there are headunits with integrated Bluetooth stereo and handsfree capability.
Parrot makes one (relatively expensive). I think Blaupunkt does too.
Sony has two models with built in stereo and handsfree Bluetooth integration, the MEX-BT2500 and MEX-BT5000. The 2500 is probably the least expensive solution that still has a CD player, I have it in my car and love it, although I admittedly have not even attempted to use the handsfree functionality (due to the fact that it is installed in an incredibly noisy convertible). I use the headunit for BT stereo and a Plantronics 655 for handsfree conversations.

Entropy512 said:
Well, it is a bit more expensive, but there are headunits with integrated Bluetooth stereo and handsfree capability.
Parrot makes one (relatively expensive). I think Blaupunkt does too.
Sony has two models with built in stereo and handsfree Bluetooth integration, the MEX-BT2500 and MEX-BT5000. The 2500 is probably the least expensive solution that still has a CD player, I have it in my car and love it, although I admittedly have not even attempted to use the handsfree functionality (due to the fact that it is installed in an incredibly noisy convertible). I use the headunit for BT stereo and a Plantronics 655 for handsfree conversations.
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Wow - hadn't even considered that, but thanks! Sadly, I have a Mazda3, which I really don't think would play nice with a different head unit. The stereo is just really integrated.
I guess I might have to go with the shuffle look-alike. Does anyone else own this? Can you confirm that it's decent?

hrishi2das said:
This looks good
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875156001
Tritton AX Bluestream
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Cheap it ain't, but that actually looks pretty good! Does anyone own it?
According to http://www.trittonsales.com/products/TRIBH102.html, it seems that the microphone is in the actual unit (necessary, since I won't be using the included headphones but rather hooking it to my aux), and I think it has the remote controls on it.
(On another note, as someone who has zero bluetooth/headset experience, I wonder what will happen when I'm listening to my music in the car and get a phone call - will the feedback just suck if the person is coming over the speakers and the mic is picking it up?)

iTech cheaper than Tritton
iTech makes several models, like Clip Radio or Clip R35, that are similar to Tritton. They run a little cheaper but are hard to find (try eBay). Might be sold as the HTC S100. Also, check out the Motorola S705 SoundPilot, which includes an LCD screen.
If you're thinking about an installed solution, check out my detailed review of the MK6000 in the Wizard forum. Also, Motorola T605 is similar to MK6000. Not as many features but much cheaper.
Just a word of warning if you use Voice Command with A2DP: once A2DP is connected, Voice Command audio prompts no longer work via Bluetooth (commands still work, just no feedback). Apparently, I am not the only one with the problem.

BennTech said:
iTech makes several models, like Clip Radio or Clip R35, that are similar to Tritton. They run a little cheaper but are hard to find (try eBay). Might be sold as the HTC S100. Also, check out the Motorola S705 SoundPilot, which includes an LCD screen.
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I just want to thank everyone very much for all their help! I guess it's down to deciding between three models. So if anyone has any experience with any of these, I'd love your feedback!
Motorola S705 SoundPilot
Tritton AX Bluestream (TRI-BH102)
i.Tech Clip R35
Thanks!

I have been using 2 scenarios in my car for years now:
1. Direct connection via audio plug, mic in the middle, then AUX to car stereo.
2. Bluetooth connection using the itech R35 with a short cable connected to the AUX car stereo.
Though I'm using Prophet, not a Kaiser, but you can draw the same lesson learned.
Direct connection is always clear, and you do not consume more battery on your phone. And when its connected, you are always ready to pick up incoming all. But this configuration requires 2 steps to pick up the call: one press from your car stereo to switch the input to AUX, then one press on your green button to pick up the call, unless you also play the music from your PPC.
BT connection, you always need extra step to enable the BT on the phone, and then switch on the BT adapter. If you forget to do this, you cannot pick up the incoming call. Also, the BT adapter (my experience with R35 with WM6) most of the time the connection was not established automatically, you can reestablish the connection by pressing the blue button once and then look at the phone to make sure the connection now is okay before start driving).
And you also carry one more new routine: to take the BT adapter for charging.
My experience after using it for a while, not very confinient. I'm looking into better solution, which is replacing the stereo unit with integrated BT one.

lie_ui said:
Though I'm using Prophet, not a Kaiser, but you can draw the same lesson learned.
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Thanks so much! Unfortunately, my phone is mounted on the dash, but my AUX is inside my center console. Therefore I can't use the wired solution.
However, both locations have 12V ports, so I CAN keep the both phone and BT adapter powered. Sounds like that's the way to go.
What has your experience been on the i.Tech Clip R35 as far as quality is concerned?
Thanks!

I just ordered the Sonorix C3 to test out myself. Was between that and the Moto S705. The range on the Moto seems too good to be true. Lots of bad reviews. Haven't heard much of the Sonorix but the few reviews I have found are positive.

itech R35
i.Tech Clip R35, whenever you plug in the power plug (very tiny pin, I wish it is a mini USB like the PPC so I can reduce charger to bring along for travel), and it starts charging, it will turn off the BT during the charging period.
If you can find the one with mini USB charging port, that will be better.
It might not sound annoying for you if you have not used it, but after using it for a while, you will find that extra job everytime you enter and exit the car, ie: switching it on and then off, checking the BT connection before start driving, will eventually become problematic as well, or you can call it laziness. =)
In term of quality, the sound will be very loud and clear, as you use your car speaker. Very nice while driving. But the mic quality is not very good, people will say their barely hear you. I use a short cable and hang the chip R35 just below the rear mirror to get it closer to me.
And remember, to press the R35 to accept call, not your phone anymore. =)
My wish is something like this one (see the picture attached).
I ordered one, the BT connection is perfect. It turns on whenever you switch on your car, and it draws power from the car, so it never needs to be charged. It initiates the BT connection automatically to your phone.
The only draw back is it uses FM to feed to audio to your car stereo. I wish it has an output that I could connect to the car AUX.
In my city, all of the FM frequencies are used, so its very hard to get a clear transmission using any channel. Otherwise, this is the best choice.
I just checked their website (www.satechi.com), its kind of weird, now they do not have this product any longer. They used to have both flavors, with and without A2DP. Most people concern about the FM transmission quality and the mic performance. Otherwise, its an excellent idea. No wire at all.

lie_ui said:
In term of quality, the sound will be very loud and clear, as you use your car speaker. Very nice while driving. But the mic quality is not very good, people will say their barely hear you. I use a short cable and hang the chip R35 just below the rear mirror to get it closer to me.
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Thanks so much for your input! I actually ordered one the other day, so I'll report back soon with my own thoughts.
I'm sorry to hear about the miniUSB port - I was hoping to cut down on chargers too. Worse, it seems, is that it isn't useable while charging - I suppose it's not a deal-breaker, but I would have liked to just be able to charge it while I used it.
Glad to hear the audio is good, and I hope the mic works somewhat well, as it will be beside me in the center console.

I want to hear your thoughts on the R35 as well drokkon. I am curious to see what you think about mic quality so I can decide if I really want to get it or not!

kpaznb0i said:
I want to hear your thoughts on the R35 as well drokkon. I am curious to see what you think about mic quality so I can decide if I really want to get it or not!
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I just received my R35 yesterday (I ordered it from a Hong Kong-based ebayer, so keep in mind that it takes quite a while to get here).
Started using it right away after charging it for 3 hours. Initial thoughts:
Charger isn't MiniUSB, so I'll have to find some kind of car charger solution. Although, it's been pointed out that it doesn't play music while charging anyway, but I'd still like to leave it in my car at all times.
Music quality is superb! Also one little snag: unlike my bluetooth stereo headset, this thing doesn't automatically pair back up every time you power it on. You have to power it on, and then "click" the power button one more time to actually connect it to your phone again.
Called voicemail and it was cool to hear my phone over the car speakers. Unfortunately, I have yet to actually take a real call, so I'll have to get back to you on the mic quality. My Mazda3 will also make a great test bed, as it has "pronounced road noise" (but that was the only "con" listed in tons of otherwise great reviews, so I got it anyway!).

That is a bummer to hear that it doesn't automatically pair back up every time. But I guess it won't be that bad once it becomes habbit.
Let us all know when you find out about mic quality and final thoughts.

kpaznb0i said:
That is a bummer to hear that it doesn't automatically pair back up every time. But I guess it won't be that bad once it becomes habbit.
Let us all know when you find out about mic quality and final thoughts.
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Okay - so here are my final thoughts:
You're right - it does become habit: hold for two seconds to power on, click once to re-pair. Pretty simple.
The sound quality shocks me - I'm no audiophile, but as far as I'm concerned, this isn't "near" CD quality, it IS.
The connection drops once in a while between phone and R35. After a call, sometimes the music is paused, sometimes it picks up where it left off, and sometimes it re-starts the song. This must be due to something I'm doing wrong or just the clumsy nature of what I perceive to be a fairly young technology. It's most likely the Tilt rather than the R35.
On to mic quality! I've only made two calls. Both times, people could hear me fine, despite that the device was in my center console, somewhat blocked by my shoulder. I was definitely speaking up, as my car is pretty loud on the highway. However, both times the callers asked to be taken off of hands-free because of pronounced echo (no small feat while driving, considering that turning off hands-free, as far as I know, involves clicking "menu").
Potential mic solutions: My device is pretty stationary, being attached to my console with a 4- or 5-inch audio plug. I'm thinking about getting a longer cord, so I can maybe turn my stereo down and hold the mic closer to my mouth... so much for hands-free, but maybe it would help the echo. More likely, I think I'll just let the R35 handle the "wireless stereo" and my headset handle "headset," since WM6 allows me to choose between those two bluetooth modes. That way the phone will ring while listening to my stereo, I take the call with my headset, and then resume listening to my stereo... I presume.
Finally - battery life. It boasts standby time of 16 hours and 6 of talk (I believe). I know you're not supposed to leave batteries in the cold, but my R35 was in the car overnight during the cold snap in Colorado last week - it probably was in the upper teens Fahrenheit. The day before, I fully charged it and listened to it for no more than an hour (and that's a generous estimate). The next day, I got 20-30 minutes before it went dead. I didn't realize that cold zapped batteries that dramatically. Since I always want to leave this thing in the car, that's another case for a car charger.
Speaking of car chargers, I guess I will post again, asking if anyone knows how I can get a "custom" one. There's this ridiculously tiny plug, plus the voltage/wattage listed on the wall transformer - surely I can find a custom solution...?
That's it - hope it helps! Can anyone review any of the other devices similar to the R35?

I don't own a Kaiser "yet". But I tried the Sony HBD-DS220 (or DS200) recently on my car w/ Axim X51v and Asus P525, and it works perfectly. Sound is perfect and you can't really notice it's over BT. And one nice thing about this headset is you CAN charge it while listening to music. But like all A2DP device, you will notice 1-2 sec out of sync if you use this for movie or MTV.

final conclusion the sound quality from the touch hd really really sucks

Ok well I went thru many testing options when it came to the sound quality out of the touch hd compared to other devices.
1- to test the sound quality I used the following players
a- core player 1.3
b- pocket music 5.1
c- touch flo player that came with the htc
d- pocket player
and all sucked big time, when I connected the device to a sony adapter cassette in the car. The sound is really awful comapred to all the devices I own like the iphone, or ipaq. WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM. I tried to use the equalizers in all the palyers, aslo the audio booster but the sound sucks. I tried to use also an adapter that has 3 rings on it to connect to the htc hd.
Please am I missing something here???

hykhleif said:
Ok well I went thru many testing options when it came to the sound quality out of the touch hd compared to other devices.
1- to test the sound quality I used the following players
a- core player 1.3
b- pocket music 5.1
c- touch flo player that came with the htc
d- pocket player
and all sucked big time, when I connected the device to a sony adapter cassette in the car. The sound is really awful comapred to all the devices I own like the iphone, or ipaq. WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM. I tried to use the equalizers in all the palyers, aslo the audio booster but the sound sucks. I tried to use also an adapter that has 3 rings on it to connect to the htc hd.
Please am I missing something here???
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It all comes down to how you have your HD setup. First, check the app called "Audio Booster", it comes out of the box configured to sound like ****, turn it off. Get the HD Tweak app and disable the 100db sound cut barrier and use the graphics equalizer that is in your chosen player. I use Mortplayer and now I can say that the playback with my Sony in ear headphones is really good.
HD Tweak has a setting that should reduce the ring delay.

me I also agree that audio booster sucks, when switched off sound gets much better

Also, a cassette adaptor is likely to limit the quality you can achieve. Better to compare through a decent set of headphones.

Seriously man, putting that line in your topic title is misleading.
I've tested Touch HD's sound on high quality headphones (Ultimate ears Super.fi 5XB) and the sound is great even on stock settings. In fact, my iPod is getting a lot less playtime since I bought THD.

Did you notice any hiss in qiet moments or on gaps between tracks? For me that is exactly the same as it was on Kaiser

Yes I noticed a hiss and a small gap in a song, i even installed the hd tweak, and sd tune up. But still the problem remains.
I am not talking about using it with headphone, I am talking about using it on my car stereo, thru a sony cassette adapter. Aren't we all in need for a great sound in the car, and why all the other devices sound great on my car stereo except the hd

I only have Shure E2C for "in move" devices, but I remember them sound much better than with Touch HD

hykhleif said:
Yes I noticed a hiss and a small gap in a song, i even installed the hd tweak, and sd tune up. But still the problem remains.
I am not talking about using it with headphone, I am talking about using it on my car stereo, thru a sony cassette adapter. Aren't we all in need for a great sound in the car, and why all the other devices sound great on my car stereo except the hd
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I'm having similar troubles here! Turning down the volume to about 30% on phone and using car stereo volume helps a bit. Also try different players and get rid of the car charger! It truly sucks as my other ppcs & mp3 players do not need tweaking AT ALL! They all play & charge at the same time.

hykhleif said:
I am not talking about using it with headphone, I am talking about using it on my car stereo, thru a sony cassette adapter. Aren't we all in need for a great sound in the car, and why all the other devices sound great on my car stereo except the hd
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Is this a joke? Sorry I am confused. You are talking about the needed GREAT SOUND an than you are talking about some funny CASSETTE ADAPTER?
Conclusion: If you want great sound in your car, you should not spend all your money for a phone - How about new car stereo - some of these funny new toys supporting funny things like LINE IN or USB-MP3 or Bluetooth A2DP / AVRCP (handsfree profile). I had a really hard time to remember how a cassette looks like.
The next one blames HTC becauese the HD doesn´t sound good when connected to the phono-in of his late ´80s stereo.
From my point of view, the HD serves a better quality as most of my "old" mp3 Players, better than my iPod but not as good as my MP3 from Philips. Even so, yes i´ve noticed these short lagggggs in playback. I wouldn´t have noticed them if someone here hadn´t mentioned them.... so thank you
What´s next? 8-track tape adapter doesnt work right on your high end car stereo?

lipa47 said:
Did you notice any hiss in qiet moments or on gaps between tracks? For me that is exactly the same as it was on Kaiser
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My Kaiser didn't had any... But in the HD I notice it happens once in awhile using bluetooth phones. But in general i got tell the SOUND ROCKS.... (after you used HDtweak to disable the 100dB limit!)

The title is really misleading for a new costumer, it's not true that the sound output sucks in my tests it resulted better than my old n95 8gb and an ipod touch.
For the average costumer the sound output on headphones is good.

hykhleif said:
I am not talking about using it with headphone, I am talking about using it on my car stereo, thru a sony cassette adapter. Aren't we all in need for a great sound in the car, and why all the other devices sound great on my car stereo except the hd
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If you are noticing differences between devices when using the tape adaptor in the car but not when using headphones, there has to be something different in the setup. (Or you're using apple-grade headphones )
The tape adaptor is designed to mimic the response of headphones, so that the player doesn't see a difference. I second the suggestions of turning off the audio booster and 100 dB cutoff, as these can and often will interfere with the signal.
Once you've turned off the equalisers, try setting the volume on the player to about 50 - 70% and then adjust the car stereo to your required volume. There may be a mismatch when the HD amp is either running at really low or high outputs, causing distortion.
It would also be helpful if you could characterise the type of problem you're having: Hiss, low level overall distortion, distortion mainly on peaks, poor frequency response, etc. Different effects will typically have different sources.
NB: don't rubbish the tape adaptor! It serves its automotive function for me as well, although I'll take my Grados and Westones when the wife isn't in the car
Edit: Just did a quick comparison with my iPod Nano and there is very little between them on good headphones.

I can't confirm that at all, using Koss Porta Pro headphones and Coreplayer for playback (audio booster off, 100 db limit disabled, equalizer enabled) I get fantastic sound for a portable device, something's wrong with your setup.

Just connected my HD to my Z-5500 500W sound system using the analogue connections. It sounds perfectly fine to me, as good as anything else analogue i have connected.

I'm using my Touch HD with a pair of Sennheiser HD550 and some BOSE Quietcomfort 2 headphones. By no means super high-end, but good enough that I can say that the sound on my Touch HD is very good. No hiss at all, good clarity and overall good sound.
I have installed hd tweak and I tested the sound with Coreplayer and the inbuilt one in TouchFlo.

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I can't confirm that at all, using Koss Porta Pro headphones and Coreplayer for playback (audio booster off, 100 db limit disabled, equalizer enabled) I get fantastic sound for a portable device, something's wrong with your setup.
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Well Shure E2C are isolating earphones you put into ear channel. They are very sensitive, you hear everything louder than on any other type od headphones especially noises. And there is hiss/noise trust me. I also have headband Sennheiser HD580 & PX100 they are ok with HD. The trouble is that there is no hiss/noise at all if I plug shure's into my computer (SB X-Fi Extreme Music) and quality is also bit better.

I also have isolating earbud type headphones and the HD sounds no worse than any other Mp3 player ive used, including an iPhone or N95 8GB. Its not a high end audio device, comparing it to a 24bit reasonably high end PC sound card is not fair.

OK pass, I'm an audio-freak type. Maybe I just expect to much from HD

using UE triple.fi 10 vi's and the sound from my MP3's on the HD is very good... i have no complaints.

HTC Headphones Mod, or something...

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Hi, first of all, I did this thread here because I'm not quite asking about the accessories, but about a modification. But if any Moderator thinks this should be moved, please do so.
At any rate, the thing is, I'm still beaten up about the fact that the headphones bundled to the cellphone are such low quality. Ok, there are some superb phones that comes with crappy headset, but you can replace them with any other headphones you have. But this one doesn't support detaching them. That's low quality for me.
So, I went to search for detachable HTC headsets. To my wonder - or bad searching skills - I found none. All are just one-piece headset. Really?
Ok, maybe makes sense when we take into account the fact that for an odd reason, HTC headsets works different than the rest. Just incompatible with other phones.
And here is my question. Is it possible to mod this headphones? My idea is to just trim the original bundled and re-wire the plug to some kind of 4 bands 3,5 female plug, so I can connect non HTC heaphones with mic to this sort of adapter and that could operate the phone.
Or, maybe there's such adapter out there in the world? theory says I'm not the first one to think in this, but I've found nothing so far.
In resume:
a) Are there detachable HTC headsets out there?
b) Is it possible to make an adapter for non HTC headsets?
c) Does this adapter exits already and I'm just wasting time and not money?
bonus) Is there some sort of schematics about HTC headsets? I just can't guess why others are incompatible, but a different wiring...
Many thanks before hand!

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Really? no one? :/ I cant believe everyone is just satisfied using that lousy headset or just headphones with no mic.

why bother. Any set of decent cell phone headphones work great.
I got a pair of rocket fish headphones. It comes with a mic, and a voice dial/answer button that works great on the Aria.
edit: here is a newer version of what i have.
http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/mobile-phones-gps/RF-EB22.html

Don't use headphones here, I have bluetooth in my car .
But, I'd suggest buying skull candy headphones, or even the headphones that come with some nokia xpressmusic phones are awesome. (particularly 5800).

i use these skullcandies because i mainly listen to music on my phone they have a mic on them to so i kan use the on a call if i get one while i have them on

I found that if you download a music player with an equalizer built in, you can improve the quality of the sound 100%