Manila 2.1 running on WM 6.1 is currently, indisputably (much) faster than 2.5 on WM 6.5. For intensive use, the difference is enormous to me and certainly enough to stick to the 2.1/6.1 combo until the great cooks start working their magic and optimizing everything.
That aside, after having used Dutty's Leo R5 for a few days, with numerous problems, I really miss the beautifully implemented, simple Twitter tab. I'm now running Dutty's WM6.1 v4.3 Final, which is blazingly fast in comparison but, naturally, doesn't have the fancy new Twitter functionality. Is there any way at all to get this into Manila 2.1? If there's anything I can do to help, I'm game. I've just tasted the feature and can't let go of it!
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Hello! I've flashed the brand new udK's Syrius R0 and it seems that it goes very smooth when it comes to the video playback, and also to Touch FLO 2D.
But...
I have tried to run some Direct 3D samples (from http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105436&d=1218460506) and they run really really slow. However, they work well and they update the screen for themselves.
I also confirmed the GUI is going as always, painting icons as slow as hell. So... are those drivers really complete? or only a tricky way to improve SOME applications?
What about 2D emulators?
What do you think?
Thanks
Couldn't see any display performance progress in navigation softwares as well.
But Syrius R0 seriously rocks, even though it's a memory hog.
Sascha
gxmark HTC Original FR ROM - 1350 pts
gxmark udK Syrius R0 ROM - 1500 pts
In syntetic benchmarks there are at least little improvment
I don't thnik there is any improvement in Syrius R0 concerning the 3d driver. In fact, some of my games, runs slower than before (Bust'em, worms, age of empires). Same for TomTom, i can't see any improvement..
I love udk's syrius R0 rom, but we've still gotta wait for real 3d drivers..!
Someone posted that any wm6.1 rom+omnio drivers+manila 2d work just as fast, I've just put the manilla cab on the udk r8 and reinstalled my previous backup and can confirm that it works just as fast with none of the problems that I can see.
EDIT: There are some known bugs with the manilla cab, weather images, music not found etc. but nothing I cant live without.
Okay, I have been ignored on the Rom's thread (thrice). I am using the latest Energy Rom, and have a lag in between keystrokes (can only type 2 a second, w/ Dutty, was much much faster). It happens w/ IE and Opera (9.5, beta 2, doesn't matter. all other applications (word, text messaging, email) all work fine.
Any clues?
I'm experiencing this problem with ALL 6.5 roms, they're just all very slow! I always keep coming back to 6.1, even stock 6.1 roms are a lot faster than every 6.5 rom i ever tested.
So....I'm the only one having this issue????
It seems to be like that on all roms. Download the Finger Keyboard from here, it's a lot faster than the regular keyboards.
I have used several ROMs with sense 2.5 for its quick link facility. I use lots of Medical tools with my HD. But as HD is well outside the capabilities for Sense 2.5 was designed. And I feel it is very slow for everyday use sometimes.
I have used Win 6.5 Titanium with SPB Mobile shell. There are many themes which simulate sense 2.5 with shortcut functionality. For example HTC PURE STYLE 3 from Mobilecustom.fr. There are even win Mobile 7 like skins from Proplus.
I feel some speed gain but not sure whether it is my mind due to bias.
Which combo is faster???? Post your experiences!
using additional application such as SPB Mobile Shell will slow down your HD because of additional RAM consumption. i think standard ROM (no addtional application installed when there're existing application which do the same function) will speed up your HD.
wrong section needs to go in general.
try NRGZ Standard Reference ROM - it's wm6.5+standard sense 2.5
then just install GFXBoost, and get BSB Tweaks and tick all of the graphics boosting boxes, and it should be quite zippy. but try different ROMs - different chefs focus on different things, some on features, others on speed. but there are definitely builds out there with speed.
personally, MS3.5.3 is way too laggy and the features, skins and themes aren't as elegant as Sense 2.5...there is always something not quite as good as sense.
for example - the calendar is not as flexible, smooth or as nice to use as the Sense 2.5 version.
Is there a way to implement quick links or shortcuts in Home page of manila 2.1?
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tries Black new V 2.5 Manilla fastest ROM that I had 38%
Winner is SPB Shell. Down load a rom without HTC Sense or manila. Test it by yourself. I got at least 100m RAM left after SPB Shell (70-80m with manila) .
You can also customize the short cuts for it (3 to 5 pages with 10 to 15 shortcuts for each page. It should be enough for your needs.
I have tried few ROMs up to now including Energy, Stonehedge, Kenia and KWBR. I always felt that SPB MS with WIN 6.5 is quite snappy and fast though I love the interface of Sense more.
I've been using Mobile Shell 3.5.5 lately with kwbr's WM6.5 and Manila 2.1 (no Sense) - very impressed. So impressed in fact, that I'm looking for a snappy WM6.1 ROM to use it on as I think this would cover everything I'm looking for!
You should try KWBR's titanium ROM with SPB MS. No point installing a ROM with manila unless you want to switch between two interfaces.
ok, this is useless thread number 23984723492...
As you can see from the responces, there are a lot of possible good and fast roms.
However you just need to try and see what you like best!
Some people say it is 'fast' when it is 'smooth' others sit by their rom with a stopwatch to determen if it's fast...
Oh, and this is not related to rom development, just to the HD so -> subforum general!
Hi there!
I am new to TG01 but i have a few obseravtions. After flashing some cooked roms i see that WM6.5.5 is slower in certain situations that original 6.5.
Especially I mean start composing new sms message from shorcut "Compose" in WM Titanium. In 6.5 it is very quick, but 6.5.5 it takes some time to open "new sms" window. Also I think that scrolling start menu is a little more laggy in 6.5.5. Has somoene noticed these facts?
Besides I have small question. Is 6.5.5 capable of rearranging icons in start menu using drag&drop? Unfortunately I have not succeded to do it.
To move items in the start menu, touch an item and hold it till it "lifts" then drag and drop.
Never noticed much speed difference between 6.5 and 6.5.5, but then i wasn't looking that hard.
leeston2379 said:
To move items in the start menu, touch an item and hold it till it "lifts" then drag and drop.
Never noticed much speed difference between 6.5 and 6.5.5, but then i wasn't looking that hard.
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I second that.
However, after your post, I have tested the speeds on both systems. I think it majorly depends on what rom you are using. Stonrom, AragOn's rom and ffBoy's rom - are fine. They don't give any lags. So is Novembre and Nokser's roms. I am not sure if 6.5.5 (non-cooked rom) is better. But I am so far impressed with cooked 6.5.5s for TG01. Especially the once that have Sense cooked in as well.
Cheers!
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Yesterday i noticed that after 2 days, my memory went down to 33 MB, with no application running:/ I am using clearRam app, but it does no thelp with memory leak. I think I will install 6.5 instead...
i think a lot of it is perception... when the phone was box fresh new i didn't really check on RAM figures & my perception of its performance...
.....but once i started downloading ROMs it suddenly becomes important to me..
i have a 6.5.5 ROM (doesn't matter who's) & i've seen some terrible RAM values within system settings
that said the system has always soildered on merrily away as if nothing was amiss
i also have a hd2 that (as u prob know) has 448 of installed RAM (vs 214 on the Tosh?)
i've never used all that HD2 RAM up in normal use... but i've seen it run loads slower than the TG01 whist doing comparitive tasks...
This is a good idea for a thread
adzman808 said:
i think a lot of it is perception... when the phone was box fresh new i didn't really check on RAM figures & my perception of its performance...
.....but once i started downloading ROMs it suddenly becomes important to me..
i have a 6.5.5 ROM (doesn't matter who's) & i've seen some terrible RAM values within system settings
that said the system has always soildered on merrily away as if nothing was amiss
i also have a hd2 that (as u prob know) has 448 of installed RAM (vs 214 on the Tosh?)
i've never used all that HD2 RAM up in normal use... but i've seen it run loads slower than the TG01 whist doing comparitive tasks...
This is a good idea for a thread
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I second that! TG01 gave me way faster speeds on custom/cooked roms than HD2.
But I am sure that 6.5 was faster!!! It was like a lighting! I must check cooked 6.5. Maybe it is 6.5.5 core that is slower? Maybe this is due to diffirent pagepool size?
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But I am sure that 6.5 was faster!!! It was like a lighting! I must check cooked 6.5. Maybe it is 6.5.5 core that is slower? Maybe this is due to diffirent pagepool size?
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Why don't you try a benchmark to prove your feeling? SK tools for instance. That would be very useful for all us
You are right, i will do it. But does it have test suitiable for this?
Hi there
I have done some benchmarks using SPB Benchmark and SK Tools. I will post it later but my conclusion is that 6.5 is faster in benchmarks. Also I googled a lot for results in this benchmarks for TG01 and HD2) and it seems like HD2 was much faster in benchmarks - especially in graphics using GDI.
May someone do some benchmarks too? Then we could compare our results.
I have recently installed spb + mobile sense and I see that it is quite laggy - especially in sliding homescreen (only from left/right to right/left !) and in calendar. Without mobile sense spb is working fast enough. Can somone confirm it? What i see is spb is using OpenGL only in carousel view - and in other cases using GDI which can be laggy for TG01. But how TG01 which is based on same proc as Hd2 can have different results? Not-opengl graphics processing is done by processor i think.
None have sktools or spb benchmark results?
Hi can you tell me which is the fastest ROM for our HDs .Doesn't matter 6.1 or 6.5. I just want fast ROM with weather on the homescreen. Of course I prefer 6.5 with sense but I don't know does it fast as 6.1. If there is WinMo 6.1 with interface Sense 2.5 and it's fast like touch flo for example will be great.
Thank you!
this question has been asked and answered dozens of times.
the fastest rom is the stock rom wm6.1 with touchflo 3d 1.3
this touchflo version only has a weather tab, no weather on home screen. also not all sense 2.1 versions have home screen weather.
if there were such a thing as a perfect blackstone rom, no other chef could be bothered building own versions, the blackstone classically is a device on the line. it has a high display resolution, yet not the powerful processor, most new devices with that resolution have.
so, you have to pick, either speed OR a lot of features.
you can try cloudy 0.7 for instance. while on the one hand, it has not been updated in almost a year (also, as in most roms, the twitter tab does not work anymore). but it combines wm6.1 with sense 2.5 and it is relatively fast.
but if you are actually all about the speed of the rom, you might want to try a stock rom, and simply move the weather tab to the 2nd position, right next to the home screen. it isnt't too much work to swipe over the display once to check the weather. just think of iphone users, who with one swipe only just unlocked their phone and are hardly ready to access all kinds of information without launching 267 apps
Fast rom and ram
Chef_Tony,
First of all sorry for going off topic i just have a few questions
1. Does more free Ram makes a rom faster. i mean if a rom have 100 MB free ram on start is faster then a ROM having 60 mb free ram.
2. I dont use manila, sense, titanium or any today screen, just resco today items, i use to have xperia x1 b4 my hd n there was this rom by laurenti, which have 160mb free ram.( x1 have 32 less ram then HD) and on my hd its only 100 mb(blackstonehedge v6.5) with sense, manila turn off, only resco today items, is there any ultra light rom like laurentis for hd(6.5 or 6.5.x bottom start button, X button closes app.)
3. if is there isnt any rom( i have searched, but might have missed) , can you please cook such a rom.
PS.
was using - Build 23134 - Laurenti v2 (new AKU 5309). from this thread on my x1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676383
1. not necessarily. less ram usage extends your battery life and has more potential for running apps.
it does affect the speed, when the operating system, for the sake of the example, let's say wm6.5.5 with CHT 2.0, hogs all the ram and cpu power, trying to run a 3d game or watch hi-def video might get annoyingly slow.
but the general speed of the GUI cannot be read from ram or cpu usage alone. when picking a rom you should have a look, where certain packages come from. when a rom mostly consists of leo packages, you will see that it is quite slow, because the leo with 1ghz has much better resources. generally, packs from devices closer to the blackstone, like the rhodium, run slightly faster.
2. so much for the theory. if you don't use any of the built-in home screen extensions, you can pick practically any rom around here. either you go with wm6.1 for more speed, or you pick something newer for more finger-friendliness. in contrast to most other users, you don't need to choose your rom for the manila version. just have a look at the integrated apps, because that can really save you time, setting up the device.
3. there are several ultra-light roms:
- one would be a stock rom, it comes with almost no integrated apps and you'd only need to disable touchflo and you're good to go.
- there is also raving rom wm6.1, which comes without manila or sense, just a custom home screen and a very little ram footprint.
- in the energy roms thread, at the very bottom, you'll find a titanium rom, which is meant for users of own GUI solutions, like spb mobile shell or you resco home. but i wouldn't exactly call it ultra-light, because it comes with a lot of integrated apps.
p.s. despite my user name and avatar, i am not a rom chef, or any chef for that matter, it is just a parody of one of the most annoying persons in late night infomercials
so unfortunately i can't cook you a custom rom.
Thank you very much for a quick reply,
look like i black stonehendge is best option for me know, really appreciated your detailed answers.
thanks again
Nicely answered Chef_Tony
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