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Sprint HTC Hero vs Samsung Moment

Hey all,
I know everyone here is a Hero user probably. I'm a current HTC Touch Pro user and wanted to switch to the HTC Hero. However, today the Samsung Moment was announced and hardware wise it seems to be everything I wanted from the Hero...but without the software (HTC Sense). I'm very familiar with the HTC interface through Touch Pro rom hacks/upgrades and would want the Sense UI on the Moment (and am assuming it may be possible but only through Rom flashes not just an apk install). Anyway, what other reasons would you all say its worth just getting the Hero? Or should I just wait the extra 3 weeks and get the Moment? Ugh, so frustrating...thanks!

Always have faith in the people here at XDA
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Except that the Samsung phone might never "feature" here as it's not an HTC device!
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Dave

I also reached this dilemma, but have decided to purchase the Hero when it comes out on sunday, and if I dislike it, I'll have the 30 days to use it then trade it for the Moment. I too would desire the sense UI on the Moment, and also I haven't read anywhere if the Moment's screen is capacitive or not.

I'm pretty sure both the Hero and the Moment have capacitive screens.
I'm in the same boat as you -- currently using a Touch Pro and extremely sick of Windows Mobile. Is Sense UI a bigger improvement over the standard Android interface than, say TouchFlo is over Titanium? Because I'm fine with Titanium. I actually prefer that it's so much snappier than TF3D.
Also, does XDA ever support non-HTC phones? Will there ever be roms for the Moment? It just seems like a far better choice than the Hero, hardware-wise.

Awesome, if it's capacitive, I am definitely getting it.
I like the Sense UI because of the widgets and customizing aspect of it, easy access to twitter, facebook, contacts, etc...
But I will sacrifice it for better hardware

Capactive yes, but I have yet to read if it supports multi touch. Thats the screen factor I'm most interested in. This makes for much better on screen typing. The on screen keyboard is pretty good in landscape, so I'll live without the qwerty. It's one more mechanical system to fail as well.
From what I've seen the HTC interface on Andoid does not cause much lag as opposed to TF3D does to winmo. I came from a touch diamond to the touch to run the android port and it's sick, even stripped down android is better than winmo imo.
I pre-ordered the hero from Best Buy and am a rewards zone member, so I get to pick mine up tomorrow (they have them in tonight ) Reading that post on the Moment introduction gave me second thoughts, but the phone prior to the Diamond was an Instinct, leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

So which phone does everybody think they will mod the most...?..The Hero since its HTC or the Moment...I do like the physical keyboard on the Moment, but I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow..I am so confused...I hate it..LoL..

Although I'm HTC all the way, I have to say, Samsung has them beat in every category really in my playbook. Yes the 5MP on the Hero is better and the device is more pocketable (plus of course Sense which brought up this original dillemma) but I have to wonder, aren't most of the sense widgets (except say the dialer and the contact interface) just simple .APK files that I can put on the Moment if I go that route? I must say though, I think a phone's software is what makes the hardware shine. That being said, a lot of great hardware implemented the wrong way could lead to a fast but not so useful device. The dillemma is killing me but gladly I do have a Touch Pro, so I can live with a custom rom until Nov comes around and maybe even Dec so I can see the progress of porting the Hero's sw.

for me the question is 800 mhz and qwerty....oorrrr.....htc sense...i reallllly love sense...like alot alot it works great on my magic..but man 800mhz cpu is gonna be really great for flash content and emulators and hopefully somebody starts making a psx emulator for android
...but then again im pretty sure someone is going to port sense to the samsung if the brilliant developers here are able to port moto blur to g1s and magic

I'm in the same boat. I've been planning on getting the Hero since hearing it would be available on Sprint, but just saw the details of the Moment today and it gave me reason to reevaluate.
I prefer the Hero in every way except for the faster processor and the camera flash of the Moment. The OLED screen is a wash because although the picture is better, I've heard the transflective LCD screens are easier to read in direct sun, which is an important feature for me. I don't have an opinion on the trackpad vs trackball. And I think I'm in the minority because I'd rather not have the physical keyboard if it means any additional bulk. I also like what I've heard in the Hero reviews of the build quality and solid feel, while the first hands-on reports of the Moment comment that it feels "plastic-y" and a little cheaper. I've been pleased with the quality of the HTC phones I've had in the past and I think their support is pretty good too as far as getting updates out for their devices. Never dealt with Samsung before.
So, I'm still planning on sticking with the Hero and hopefully will have it in the next few days.

Ehh, if I was a keyboard junkie I'd go for the Moment. But I'm not; haven't had a hardware keyboard since 2007. I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow though.

It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?

I have the hero and prefer SenseUI over standard Android (gf has the g1). The faster processor on the moment is a nice touch but I find the Hero's speed to suffice for my needs. Plus I love all the HTC widgets that don't come with standard Android..e.g. Peep, weather, etc. I think the next worthy upgrade is the HTC Dragon and the release date on that one is anyone's guess.

I have the same dilemma myself. I prefer the smaller size and virtual keyboard of the Hero as well as the sense ui.
The Moment's 800MHz processor will probably help with future Android enhancements which is important, since I will be with either the Hero or Moment for the next 2 years.
The Moment's camera is also most likely superior to the Hero's given Samsung's track record of decent optics. The Hero may have 5 MP, but every review says that its quality is only mediocre. Samsung phones have generally been very good despite lower resolutions. Since most of the time all my pictures are scaled down anyway, and neither of these are digital camera replacements, I would call the 5 MP/3 MP difference moot.
Also, it appears that the Moment may have better battery life judging purely from estimated talk time.
The camera and battery performance need to be verified though, so it looks like we will have to wait for a proper review.
It's a tough choice. While I would prefer HTC's sense ui, I really don't mind Android's vanilla interface either so it's more of a virtual keyboard/size/battery life issue for me.

If I know XDA well enough they'll be able to extract the Sense UI pretty quickly. Further, I could see rom cooks build this into future custom roms on the Samsung Moment.
Call me advantageous coming from a Touch Pro scene. I have complete faith in custom roms as they have provided real value to the TP with innovation pushing the scene.
After living with a slide out keyboard I find it much more reliable than a touch screen. So I'll be going with the Moment (unless another awesome device is released!)

I too am in the same boat as the others. With the announcement of the moment I am now puzzled at what route to go. I really would like SenseUI and have it natively built for my device like on the hero but im certainly a keyboard junkie. I will have to get both in my hand for a bit to be able to decide. If the build quality of the moment feels anything like the pre ill be off to the hero in a heartbeat.

Buy the Hero now, it'll be that much quicker till your contract expires and you can buy the Dragon in a year (18 months if not a premier customer)...
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MetroKnight said:
It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?
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The res may be smaller than the Touch Pro, ( which I just switched from ) but the screen is bigger, and it really looks just fine. I have an easier time reading the web with the Hero than I did with my TP. I wasn't really sure I could deal with a non-hardware keyboard, but am finding myself doing just fine with it. That said, November 1st and the Moment are less than 30 days away, and I don't think we've seen all the specs on the Moment, I'm looking forward to some of the Phone review websites getting their hands on one to see what they think. I imagine that someone somewhere will find a way to pull Sense out of the Hero, so it can be installed on other Android phones.

Doesn't the Samsung only have 256mb of RAM to the Hero's 288? That could be a dealbreaker.

Sell HD2 now and buy Google's Nexus1 next week ?

Nexus1 is based on snapdragon, with a 3.7" screen, so hardware wise it's on the same level as HD2.
Android is starting to become a mature OS, it's much more stable than WM, and in several months it will do everything WM can do and more... Google has a great developing team which will surely keep updating Android with great abilities, while Windows Mobile developing team simply sucks, now they postponed WM7 to late 2010...
The Nexus1 is only $530, this will definitely bring the price of the HD2 down, so maybe it's better to sell the HD2 now ?...
The only thing that bothers me is that I spent money purchasing software for WM (like Thumbcal, Galarm and more) and if I'm going for Android it's money down the toilet.

Noam23 said:
Nexus1 is based on snapdragon, with a 3.7" screen, so hardware wise it's on the same level as HD2.
Android is starting to become a mature OS, it's much more stable than WM, and in several months it will do everything WM can do and more...
The Nexus1 is only $530, this will definitely bring the price of the HD2 down, so maybe it's better to sell the HD2 now ?...
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Good idea mate. Let us know how you get on.

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Good idea mate. Let us know how you get on.
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No problem.

Yes 3.7" is the same as 4.3" lol

I wouldn't downgrade from the 4.3in to the 3.7in.
I wouldn't trade the HD2's slender design for the stale design of the Nexus and its trackball.
...but that's just me. The HD2 has both form AND functions, whereas the Nexus has all function, but no personality (not as highly customizable as winmo).

No point getting into this debate, if the HD2 doesn't do what you want and need from a phone, sell it. If the Nexus does do what you want, buy it.
It's each to their own, sounds like you've made up your mind!

Having had the HTC Hero, the Nexus is a good choice. However, Android and Windows is not a fair comparison. Windows have far greater options. Android is tied down but is simple like an iphone to use. Both are good, but 4.3 inch screen is miles better than 3.7inches.
Plus the HD2 has great sound, strong gps and radio chips. I wouldnt rush out. Wait for the real reviews from people who have bought it. Are there restrictions with the phone etc...

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No point getting into this debate, if the HD2 doesn't do what you want and need from a phone, sell it. If the Nexus does do what you want, buy it.
It's each to their own, sounds like you've made up your mind!
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Yep, but they can't help themselves can they

yep I had the omnia hd with 3.7 screen (I went to the dark side for a while) and in comparison the HD2 screen is huge, wouldn't go back to a smaller screen now

I don't think I can go back to 3.7" screen now. It's so small .

Rotten by display
Haha It's funny to see how every owner of HD2 is now so rotten by the 4.3 inch display nobody would downgrade now because any other display looks so small against it

True, the HD2's screen size is a real bonus, especially since it's packed into such a small form factor. Both the HD2 and Nexus1 have the *same* height (120mm), yet the HD2 has a 4.3" screen and the Nexus has a 3.7" (and HD2 is even thinner!).
Since the HD2 is a better hardware than nexus (at least regrading screen size, even though the Nexus is AMOLED, so colors might be better there), I think if we had an option to install Android on HD2 it would have been perfect. Maybe an Android port from Nexus1 to HD2 will be easier since both are using snapdragon...

once you go 4.3 there is no turning back -
Could not help myself

jpmalum said:
once you go 4.3 there is no turning back -
Could not help myself
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true, I got hd2 and my X1, I haven't used my x1 for a while, now I can barely read the screen on the x1

wazaaappp said:
true, I got hd2 and my X1, I haven't used my x1 for a while, now I can barely read the screen on the x1
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Agree. When i look at my friend's Iphone 3GS , it just seems so tiny...

The screen may be smaller, but it's a nice looking phone, and runs nice and smooth in this vid...
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news5349.html

is the problem of high res contact sync solve?

Going from a 4.3 inch screen to a 3.7 makes as much sense as going from a 24 inch monitor to a 20 inch one. It's a big step backwards.

You lot may well laugh at the obsession with the HD2's big screen, but at my age with eyesight getting dodgier by the day, I will soon need a phone with a 10 inch screen..................

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Haha It's funny to see how every owner of HD2 is now so rotten by the 4.3 inch display nobody would downgrade now because any other display looks so small against it
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exactly that. Honestley I'm even wondering what is gonna be my next device at all in one and half a year because from the logical perspective and the commonsense there is not that much place upwards regarding the size of screen And fact is I'm not up to miss the HD2 screen in future . For time being there are tons of rumors and announcements regarding new devices for 2010 but none of them can reach the HD2 size. Not even HTC with the new android flagshipp bravo or sony ericsson xperia x10. from my point of view this is also exactly the reason why HTC is bringing bravo with a smaller screen size . Because they want to keep HD2 and the winmob flagshipp... HD ready back and forth....
Cheers,
LEE

So whats next....

My poor touch HD is starting to feel the strain, being patched up with countless ROM updates has kept it going but shortly my Contract will be up with O2 and i feel it may be time to part ways with the old girl
Soo, my question to everyone is, where do we go from here?
HD2? im not so sure, its a fraction too big and apart from being a wee bit snapier its not much difference, and its been out a while now so will there be a new one on the horizon, maybe?
Acer F1, ive heard some good things about this but i hear the build quality is pretty shoddy
an thats my pretty much out of ideas, basicly i want the Touch HD with a faster CPU, faster graphics, same size screen thats not going to be out of date in a couple of months. With all this Windows phone 7 business and android getting new devices left right an centre ive stopped hearing about decent new Windows mobile devices.
has anyone got any ideas, we must all be starting to think the same, the Old girl has been out for years!

I'm in the same boat
Also with the Touch HD - been eyeballing the HTC Desire - wanna go Android now - looks like a great choice!

HD2 for me, no question. The way I see it, this phone will remain the main WinMob legacy phone for all developments in the future due to its spec/availability. I foresee WinMob7 will be fully ported for it, as will a fully working version of Android, it's only a matter of time. Imagine a phone that could boot into Win6.5, Win7 & Android!
In the mean time I'm more than happy with the functionality of my HD (i only ever use Coreplayer, Opera 10, RSSHub, TomTom/GoogleMaps & a couple others), so an updated version that does the same, but better, will do me fine.

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basicly i want the Touch HD with a faster CPU, faster graphics, same size screen thats not going to be out of date in a couple of months.
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I like the look of the performance of the F1, size, battery life, resistive screen and built in stylus, I had an F900 at the same time as my HD and it was close enough build quality wise that I would try the F1, pocketnow has a review on it and mentions build quality, but without going into specifics, check out the HD2 v F1 benchmarks and comments from the guy that has owned both the HD2 and neotouch as to which one has considerably better performance [read both reviews and comment sections] Brandon miniman tends to have a bit of a sour opinion of anything quality wise with acer or e-ten and a bit of a rose tinted view of anything HTC, but definitely worth a read.

I've gone with the Desire, ordered 30 mins ago and should be with on Monday. This weekend is going to draaag!

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I've gone with the Desire, ordered 30 mins ago and should be with on Monday. This weekend is going to draaag!
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So - how is it? Glad you made the switchover? Any thoughts you'd like to share?

When my Blackstone finally dies or my contract expires next winter, I will go for Android or iPhone. And while flashing new ROMs was quite amusing for the nerd in me, I'm really looking forward to a phone that just works
Windows Mobile is dead, just compare the application markets of Android/Apple to WinMo...

same here, although I just recently got my HD, once its worn or when I get the opportunity to change I'll go the desire or equivalent awesome phone at that period of time.

And...?
Come on guys, there are loads of us with HDs at the end of contract facing exactly the same predicament - what to go for next!
If you've already made the switch to a Desire or HD2 or something else, how are you getting on? Why are you happy with your new choice (if you are)?
Like Dazza9075 I want more of the same - HD with faster CPU and graphics and no less in screen size. Liked the Desire in my local Orange shop but somehow not happy dropping that tiny bit in screen size. If you are procrastinating because of what is around the corner, tell us what you are more likely to go for and why!

Just got my HD2. Little late to the party, but... woooow...

Just posting this in case anybody is tossing up purchasing a 1 year + old phone - I certainly was, and don't regret the decision at all.
Just received my HD2 I bought last week. New definition of frustration - having your SD card arrive a few days after your handset so you can't install Android yet. Anyway, just on hardware alone... woooow...
Even in WinMo 6.5, the screen appears to be relatively clean and crisp. The handset itself feels incredibly good to hold, is amazingly thin (everybody I've shown it to remarks about that) and somehow manages to feel slight despite packing a screen large enough to have your breakfast on.
I've handled every phone HTC has put out for the past two years, and this by far feels the most solid and premium. One of my biggest bugbears about the Android stable is I haven't found build quality to match Apple's iphone efforts, but the HD2 does - I was especially impressed with the rear battery hinge mechanism and just the general feel in your hand. The thing is gorgeous.
Why did HTC abandon this minimalistic design direction? The Desire HD looks like it has several growths coming off of it, the Desire looks like some kind of quasi-purple alien sex toy, and the Legend - which I currently own - is far too blingy for my tastes. This is understated, space-defying and restrained. Even the HTC logo on the back is a reasonable, unflashy size, as if they recognise that not everybody likes feeling like a giant billboard.
As I say, I can't flash Android for a few more days yet, but based on hardware alone this thing is a real winner. Very impressed. To me, it feels better made than any handset on the market that I've played with: more solid than an iPhone 4, more expensive than a Galaxy S, more restrained than a Desire HD and thin enough to make Tom Brady's wife want to go and have a vomit.
If you're tossing up whether to buy an HD2, do it. I'll let you know how I get along with flashing Rafdroid HD (I'm a total noob, so it'll be interesting to see if I manage it).
Cheers,
Zuka

zukа said:
Just posting this in case anybody is tossing up purchasing a 1 year + old phone - I certainly was, and don't regret the decision at all.
Just received my HD2 I bought last week. New definition of frustration - having your SD card arrive a few days after your handset so you can't install Android yet. Anyway, just on hardware alone... woooow...
Even in WinMo 6.5, the screen appears to be relatively clean and crisp. The handset itself feels incredibly good to hold, is amazingly thin (everybody I've shown it to remarks about that) and somehow manages to feel slight despite packing a screen large enough to have your breakfast on.
I've handled every phone HTC has put out for the past two years, and this by far feels the most solid and premium. One of my biggest bugbears about the Android stable is I haven't found build quality to match Apple's iphone efforts, but the HD2 does - I was especially impressed with the rear battery hinge mechanism and just the general feel in your hand. The thing is gorgeous.
Why did HTC abandon this minimalistic design direction? The Desire HD looks like it has several growths coming off of it, the Desire looks like some kind of quasi-purple alien sex toy, and the Legend - which I currently own - is far too blingy for my tastes. This is understated, space-defying and restrained. Even the HTC logo on the back is a reasonable, unflashy size, as if they recognise that not everybody likes feeling like a giant billboard.
As I say, I can't flash Android for a few more days yet, but based on hardware alone this thing is a real winner. Very impressed. To me, it feels better made than any handset on the market that I've played with: more solid than an iPhone 4, more expensive than a Galaxy S, more restrained than a Desire HD and thin enough to make Tom Brady's wife want to go and have a vomit.
If you're tossing up whether to buy an HD2, do it. I'll let you know how I get along with flashing Rafdroid HD (I'm a total noob, so it'll be interesting to see if I manage it).
Cheers,
Zuka
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Congrats on your new phone/pda.
as for me ive had it with HTC anymore. yes the hardware is awesome but HD2 software freezes just annoys me. I hope you will not encounter such problems but i doubt it.
Regards.

i too purchased an hd2 last week...i got the touch pro2 when i came out and deliberately put off purchasing the hd2 untill i got bored with the tp2...also i wanted a winmo device as opposed to the wp7
as far as the freezing issues goes...once i updated the software at http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/ that reduced the freezes on the device nearly 95%...the only "mini freeze" i get is when listening to music when a text message comes through...prior to the update it froze approx 5 sec and about half a sec post update...
i went to tmo yesterday and all their hd2 accessories were 30% off and and they took off and additional 35% i got a data cable, screen protectors and the clear case w/ kickstand for 8 bucks n change...

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i went to tmo yesterday and all their hd2 accessories were 30% off and and they took off and additional 35% i got a data cable, screen protectors and the clear case w/ kickstand for 8 bucks n change...
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First off I am glad you got yourself an HD2, I hope you find it as great a device as I do. The HD2 is one sweet HTC device that will be talked about in the history books and looked at as a one of a kind device forever more. I also feel like it might be something of a pioneering device as it has shown what can be acomplished if one puts their mind to something.
Secound you wreak sooooooooo lucky. I bought my body glove cover in like Oct. for $20.00 USDA, and the last screen protectors I bought like four mounths ago I payed $15.00 USDA. Your lucky #@$&?#@$&?. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ..........just playin man

zukа said:
Just posting this in case anybody is tossing up purchasing a 1 year + old phone - I certainly was, and don't regret the decision at all.
Just received my HD2 I bought last week. New definition of frustration - having your SD card arrive a few days after your handset so you can't install Android yet. Anyway, just on hardware alone... woooow...
Even in WinMo 6.5, the screen appears to be relatively clean and crisp. The handset itself feels incredibly good to hold, is amazingly thin (everybody I've shown it to remarks about that) and somehow manages to feel slight despite packing a screen large enough to have your breakfast on.
I've handled every phone HTC has put out for the past two years, and this by far feels the most solid and premium. One of my biggest bugbears about the Android stable is I haven't found build quality to match Apple's iphone efforts, but the HD2 does - I was especially impressed with the rear battery hinge mechanism and just the general feel in your hand. The thing is gorgeous.
Why did HTC abandon this minimalistic design direction? The Desire HD looks like it has several growths coming off of it, the Desire looks like some kind of quasi-purple alien sex toy, and the Legend - which I currently own - is far too blingy for my tastes. This is understated, space-defying and restrained. Even the HTC logo on the back is a reasonable, unflashy size, as if they recognise that not everybody likes feeling like a giant billboard.
As I say, I can't flash Android for a few more days yet, but based on hardware alone this thing is a real winner. Very impressed. To me, it feels better made than any handset on the market that I've played with: more solid than an iPhone 4, more expensive than a Galaxy S, more restrained than a Desire HD and thin enough to make Tom Brady's wife want to go and have a vomit.
If you're tossing up whether to buy an HD2, do it. I'll let you know how I get along with flashing Rafdroid HD (I'm a total noob, so it'll be interesting to see if I manage it).
Cheers,
Zuka
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The HD2 its a great phone. I hope you get to enjoy it as mush as I do. Its truly amazing

Just to report back after the laborious process of installing Android...
I had a few problems flashing HSPL and MAGLDR, but people in the community helped me quickly and without judgement, which I really appreciate. HD2 owners seem to be committed to the cause of helping other people out with hacking, and it's a nice change to not be called dumb for asking a question
Anyway, I installed Rafdroid HD 4.0.2 and it's amazing. I've used a stock Desire HD extensively and there's no doubt in my mind that this is a) quicker day to day, b) smoother in animations/reflows, c) better in benchmarks (for what they're worth) and d) kinder to battery life.
This phone is actually amazing. Somehow, a 4.3 inch screen manages to feel smaller in the hand than an iPhone 3G/S, and a hell of a lot better built as well. I've already talked about how great the hardware is, but I'm really, really impressed with how well Android runs from NAND. The people that say it's better than a stock android device aren't lying - it's the bomb.
The best thing is, if I get sick of it, I can flash WP7, which is also in my opinion a great OS. If in doubt, buy an HD2 - it's half as expensive as a Desire HD, runs five times as many OSes and is twice as good.

da9th_one said:
as far as the freezing issues goes...once i updated the software at <t-mobile> that reduced the freezes on the device nearly 95%...
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I have had my Leo for 6 months now, and for the past 2 I had been dealing with the constant freezing. It was to the point where it wouldn't even make calls, it would just freeze, then go into a loop of rebooting.
Earlier today I snagged the upgrade from t-mobile, and although my phone almost melted from overheating in the process, it instantly fixed all of my problems.
Granted, I had spent 2 hours trolling around these here forums looking for a solution, so after I finally got my phone working again, I was so excited to try out all these new exciting things I had been reading about, so I flashed Cruzer-5th WWE, and updated my radio to 2.14.50.04.
After several hours, I got everything working, and suddenly my phone is fast, stable, and I get an HSDPA signal! No more overheating, and try as I might, I can't crash it.
Long story short, the t-mobile upgraded ROM works like a charm, and I went from wanting to drill a hole through the middle of my Leo to loving it all over again.

I have just abandon One X and back to HD2!!

IMO, Disappointing "upgrade" to one X.. HD2 Still the king! So, I sold it off and is back to my trusty Good Quality Phone.
If there is anyone that is interested to know why, let me know. will be glad to post the experience here.

why oh why oh why
i was just dreaming of the 1X

We had an X1 on demo, our outcome was buying 20 new Andida cells for current HD2 fleet & aiming at another 12 month+ service life as nothing to offer but a IT hassle changing over to something with no heavy benefits & a big price tag. HTC handsets really need to implement better inovation & some clever reworking of Android ...

You are crazy man.... really.... HD2 is great but one X is the greatest ever....

Personally, I am not big fan of sense unless in the older times of wm6.5. I just favour HTC for their build quality and dev support for custom roms unlike some plasticky builds like ahem*..S*M***G
Honestly I must be blind not to read properly that OneX is polycarbonate.. As far as I remember, their higher end model have excellent built. Sadly, not this one though..
To go deeper..
I am only mentioning stuffs that I would be considered as an "upgrade" over the HD2 . All comments are imo. U may say I am bias but these are my true feelings and experience. My HD2 are usually switching between GB Nand roms in general.
Built quality- Polycarbonate=Plastic most of the reviews and even those in store are the white version which looked better.. but i am true to HTC, which usually produce industrial designs so, white will never be for me.. all my phone are black or dark colour.. I am truly shocked at the quality of the material used.
Screenwise- Honestly, I imagine the screen will be a huge reason for upgrade. 720p, SLCD2, gorilla glass, 4.7in screen etc. BUT, its really does not feel much bigger as the screen ratio makes it taller. I mostly use the phone in landscape so compared to hd2, it really only a few mm wider. abt 3mm at most. I have a HTC Titan as well, absolutely love the screen size and ratio. The only time I love the One X screen is when I am watching a movie on it.. any ****ty grainy video quality looks gorgeous on it!
Processor- Yeah.. so it have a 4+1 core processor, 1GB ram.. HD2 1ghz single core, 512mb ram. Day to day usage, its does feel faster BUT, Just by a few millisecs.. I can live with that.. Free ram for ONE X is pathetic.. 300+mb left after running sense. HD2, 200+ to close to 300mb without sense. (I mentioned b4, I hate sense on android). theres no way a phone can replace a computer for work. Its mostly for adhoc. So, its there really need for such a processor on a phone??
Battery life- Theres no need to comment further.. sucks. People will say that this is normal for a superphone. But imo, if HD2 can do similar function though millisec slower, HD2 is the superphone.
Camera- The biggest letdown imo. Stupid Autofocusing works half the time so what if it have zero lag...
Wifi/3G connection- For some reason, after the phone screen off, the data on both Wifi and 3g sleeps as well. Coz very often, when I wake the phone there will be a error message smthing like this " no network, pls check connection". This means I will be missing emails, whatsapp messages etc that works via data.
Minor irritating things- Super cheap quality headset for Flagship model is a joke.. at least include a in-ear type..pls.. Most of the time, I cant find the volume rocker.. It too darn small.
There are many more that I cant remember...
If I have so many complains, why did I buy this? Because my contract is up and I trust HTC blindly. And the dimmly lit shop doesnt help much either.
I am just glad this overhyped phone is no longer with me.
I am not a troll.. I am just pissed..

Interresting report !
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scpion said:
Personally, I am not big fan of sense unless in the older times of wm6.5. I just favour HTC for their build quality and dev support for custom roms unlike some plasticky builds like ahem*..S*M***G
Honestly I must be blind not to read properly that OneX is polycarbonate.. As far as I remember, their higher end model have excellent built. Sadly, not this one though..
To go deeper..
I am only mentioning stuffs that I would be considered as an "upgrade" over the HD2 . All comments are imo. U may say I am bias but these are my true feelings and experience. My HD2 are usually switching between GB Nand roms in general.
Built quality- Polycarbonate=Plastic most of the reviews and even those in store are the white version which looked better.. but i am true to HTC, which usually produce industrial designs so, white will never be for me.. all my phone are black or dark colour.. I am truly shocked at the quality of the material used.
Screenwise- Honestly, I imagine the screen will be a huge reason for upgrade. 720p, SLCD2, gorilla glass, 4.7in screen etc. BUT, its really does not feel much bigger as the screen ratio makes it taller. I mostly use the phone in landscape so compared to hd2, it really only a few mm wider. abt 3mm at most. I have a HTC Titan as well, absolutely love the screen size and ratio. The only time I love the One X screen is when I am watching a movie on it.. any ****ty grainy video quality looks gorgeous on it!
Processor- Yeah.. so it have a 4+1 core processor, 1GB ram.. HD2 1ghz single core, 512mb ram. Day to day usage, its does feel faster BUT, Just by a few millisecs.. I can live with that.. Free ram for ONE X is pathetic.. 300+mb left after running sense. HD2, 200+ to close to 300mb without sense. (I mentioned b4, I hate sense on android). theres no way a phone can replace a computer for work. Its mostly for adhoc. So, its there really need for such a processor on a phone??
Battery life- Theres no need to comment further.. sucks. People will say that this is normal for a superphone. But imo, if HD2 can do similar function though millisec slower, HD2 is the superphone.
Camera- The biggest letdown imo. Stupid Autofocusing works half the time so what if it have zero lag...
Wifi/3G connection- For some reason, after the phone screen off, the data on both Wifi and 3g sleeps as well. Coz very often, when I wake the phone there will be a error message smthing like this " no network, pls check connection". This means I will be missing emails, whatsapp messages etc that works via data.
Minor irritating things- Super cheap quality headset for Flagship model is a joke.. at least include a in-ear type..pls.. Most of the time, I cant find the volume rocker.. It too darn small.
There are many more that I cant remember...
If I have so many complains, why did I buy this? Because my contract is up and I trust HTC blindly. And the dimmly lit shop doesnt help much either.
I am just glad this overhyped phone is no longer with me.
I am not a troll.. I am just pissed..
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according to you weird logic, old CRT TVs are better then HDTVs
guys go the One X forum and check the tons of user reviews, so many of us are in awe with the One X, there are only the issues of build defects in early batches, everything else its an uber, brisk, super sexy device
HTC at its best
and the camera, well i don't need to argue check the pictures thread and you wills see for yourselves http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585398 easy as hell to take gorgeous photos
our friend scpion in here is missing the whole point lol
here is a better quick review http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25468262&postcount=3544

Well.. That thread is all abt the best shots that users have taken with the one x camera. Naturally, all the shots will look good.. Mine does not have any hardware related issue and in direct comparison to the HD2, OneX is without doubt better. My point is that, is the One X that great a upgrade from the hd2 ? IMHO, call me strange or fussy, my answer is still no. Neither is it worth all the hype. Its just another phone with better or even great specs but in real life, the performance is subpar.. Entirely imo. Maybe I have too high expectations for it.

Mate,
One X is a great phone! You must've been smoking something special. Comparing the awfull camera of HD2 (mine is already 2 years old) with OX is absolutely ridiculous....

Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEFWshNQ3ac
I can't believe hTc still have crap software in their new phone. I recall vividly with HD2 the bugs ohhhh the bugs...
Have a Galaxy S now and that is superb...

xlr8me said:
Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEFWshNQ3ac
I can't believe hTc still have crap software in their new phone. I recall vividly with HD2 the bugs ohhhh the bugs...
Have a Galaxy S now and that is superb...
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all the crazy bugs/glitches have been sorted by firmware 1.29, took them less than a month to clear them out
we still have only one issue which is backlight flickering when the phone overheats, seems related to Tegra 3's power saving feature called PRISM, which controls back-light dynamically to save power, HTC said its software and promised an update soon
so please spare me, the fastest and most generous Android updates provider is HTC, most of their end of 2010 devices are receiving the ICS upgrade too

I would have to admit the Note was better liked than he One X when had them on Demo ...
Samsungs efforts on Android seemed better than HTC for most practical phone use.
Sound quality on HTC still is very poor & the build quility & design of the current polycarbonate plastic handsets is not that good, no wonder 2012 sales are down ...

Yeah. With a history of sexy metal outfits on higher end device, I am deeply disappointed. I dun care if its polycarbonate. If its plastic, it just feels plastic.

scpion said:
Built quality- Polycarbonate=Plastic most of the reviews and even those in store are the white version which looked better.. but i am true to HTC, which usually produce industrial designs so, white will never be for me.. all my phone are black or dark colour.. I am truly shocked at the quality of the material used.
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I love the material, very strong and very light in weight. You might prefer a bakelite phone, but technology has moved on.
Screenwise- Honestly, I imagine the screen will be a huge reason for upgrade. 720p, SLCD2, gorilla glass, 4.7in screen etc. BUT, its really does not feel much bigger as the screen ratio makes it taller. I mostly use the phone in landscape so compared to hd2, it really only a few mm wider. abt 3mm at most. I have a HTC Titan as well, absolutely love the screen size and ratio. The only time I love the One X screen is when I am watching a movie on it.. any ****ty grainy video quality looks gorgeous on it!
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If you want a bigger phone, get the galaxy note.
Processor- Yeah.. so it have a 4+1 core processor, 1GB ram.. HD2 1ghz single core, 512mb ram. Day to day usage, its does feel faster BUT, Just by a few millisecs.. I can live with that.. Free ram for ONE X is pathetic.. 300+mb left after running sense. HD2, 200+ to close to 300mb without sense. (I mentioned b4, I hate sense on android). theres no way a phone can replace a computer for work. Its mostly for adhoc. So, its there really need for such a processor on a phone??
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You only need the speed for games. For the rest, when using an OS/UI a few millisecs make a lot of difference. But if you don't care for that, the HD2 will do just fine. I wonder why you are even considering an upgrade.
Battery life- Theres no need to comment further.. sucks. People will say that this is normal for a superphone. But imo, if HD2 can do similar function though millisec slower, HD2 is the superphone.
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It lasts longer then the HD2, so i don't know what your complaint is. if you want better batterylife, get a Droid RAZR Maxx.
Camera- The biggest letdown imo. Stupid Autofocusing works half the time so what if it have zero lag...
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Again, its alot better than the HD2, and on par with most smartphones.
Wifi/3G connection- For some reason, after the phone screen off, the data on both Wifi and 3g sleeps as well. Coz very often, when I wake the phone there will be a error message smthing like this " no network, pls check connection". This means I will be missing emails, whatsapp messages etc that works via data.
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Probably just a setting, i don't have that problem.
Minor irritating things- Super cheap quality headset for Flagship model is a joke.. at least include a in-ear type..pls.. Most of the time, I cant find the volume rocker.. It too darn small.
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True, its a **** headpiece.
If I have so many complains, why did I buy this? Because my contract is up and I trust HTC blindly. And the dimmly lit shop doesnt help much either.
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I wonder this too, just keep your HD2, 2012 technology just isn't for you.

I agree on Sense thing.
I just don't get why all those manufactuers are trying to make the user 'happier'.
Android is really customizable (unlike iOS ) so one can set his/her system according to personal preferences.
Pr0 users are going to root and install something like CM/AOKP anyway...
So... Why the hell manufactuers can't just release phones with stock unlocked bootloaders + plain, AOSP compiled Android, and whole vendor/build/kernel related stuff?!

I came from an HD2 too.
I take some of these points - but the One X is a evolution of the HD2, not a revolutionary device.
If I had paid NZ$900 for the phone to upgrade from the HD2 I wouldn't be that happy - I agree it probably isn''t worth it. But I took a 'free' upgrade.
But the bottom line is, it is the best Android phone you can buy.
Once the AOSP roms come, i think you will really see the One X pull ahead.

Still awaiting update to OP's blog.What exactly were you expecting from the phone? Holographic video calling? Concierge Service? a BJ whenever you felt randy lol?

I just had to post a reply to this post...
My personal choice was between three hadsets:
HTC One X
Galaxy S3
LG 4X HD
All have basically the same spec with minor variances.
I Pre-Ordered and recieved the One X upon release to great delight...
However, there were a couple of things i didn't like which were:
the 1800mAh battery
the lack of an SD slot
the unibody shell
More power is needed to run a quad-core handset & 4.3" screen comfortably for a day. Although it had 32gb, i currently have a 16gb in my HD2 and it's loaded. I like to be able to change my battery if i needed rather than having to send it of for a repair or smple change...as well as getting easier access to it.
Outside of these gripes, it is a great phone but it didn't hit me as oustanding as the HD2 when it was released.
My Galaxy S3 is also on Pre-order, but that wll come with a 2100mAh battery...which s also accessable. It has an SD slot whch can accomodate 32gb on top of the 16-32or 64gb on the phone.
These alone sell this phone to me and not the Samsung name or the screen which is on par with the One X apart from size...i was hoping HTC had something just a bit better than the One X.
Lastly there's the LG 4X HD not due till approx June...so a long wait.
I can't say owt apart from released specs, and they look good...it's a pity the phone is an ugly bugger.
To conclude, i wouldn't knock the One X comparing it to the HD2 they're a world apart. Although a great phone, the HD2 is outclassed in every way by the new crop of handsets...maybe not with build tho'.
However, in saying that...it's only now that i'm prepared to replace it. this says heaps about the longevity of the HD2. Long may it continue to show how it's done.

you have to be very carful when comparing different OSs across different hardware, several generations apart.
on paper the one x is better in everyway, I don't have one so cant comment on build quality, but I can say the HD2 has issues with the buttons and the digitiser.
however the real question is do you need it?
as you pointed out the 3 YEAR old HD2 runs absolutely fine, running WP in my opinion is as fast as you can get, the limiting factor in the UI is me, I cant move any quicker so having a better CPU or GPU wont make any difference.
So, does a quad core SoC make any difference? nope, not one iota when comparing it to an HD2 with WP and running day to day "phone" tasks
Will it (one x) run games better, of course it will, we have a S1 snapdragon in the HD2, with a very old A200 GPU, but that's irrelevant if you don't play games.
So I guess the question is, is the one x a worthwhile upgrade... for me no its not, will it be worth it for some people, yeah, if games are your thing.
Ive been debating about upgrading my HD2 to a real WP device and I simply cant justify it, and I think that's the point the OP is making, despite 3 years of "progress" there really hasn't been anything worthwhile if games aren't your thing.
Of Course we are talking about Android here, and if you compare android on the two devices then you have a different situation, I don't want to get in to an which OS is better debate but I think we can all agree that Android needs more horsepower to get it running well, if that's progress for an phone OS in your mind then so be it, but, that is that fact of the matter

Ah.. That's the word. " justify". It simply not justifiable to blow $800 to get a new hardware that does things a little faster or better. Theres no wow factor to this phone at all other than the specs. Maybe its not optimised yet, but the first impression is disappointing enough. I have to admit i am quite a htc fanboy but this device does not cut as a flagship. Camera is in a way better but the interface really screw up. Its simply a great challenge to get it to focus on something especially in macro. If u still have to get it done manually, I think this camera has failed. Android and sense combo is simply not a great combo looking at how One X runs on it. It still lags or daydream at times. mind u, hd2 hardware is 3 years old and day to day usage, its still performs well or on par. Screen resolution, colour, brightness on One x is way way better. I am just saying the ratio is wrong imo. If i want a bigger screen than the HD2, i would expect it to be bigger in all directions. And not just taller. i have to admit for HD2, when i am outdoor, i struggles to see the screen, which i really hate. My point is, as another poster has said. OneX is just like a evolution of the HD2. Not a revolution. I would love to one a One X again. But not at this kind of price tag and definitely at at this current stage of development.
To Reckless- i would want a phone to function as a phone. HD2 does just as well with 3 or 4 cores lesser. unfortunately, it doesn't do a bj. If i ever need one, i will pm U.