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TyTn Vs Wizard Vs Universal

It was evident from very early on that the K-Jam was under powered. I would assume that this upgrade is sufficiently powerful to not be affected by the same flaws.
Anyone out there placed to give a comparison? Does the TyTn hang? Need for Soft Reset or Hard Reset? Anyone tried TomTom? Anyone tried doing 3 things at once with it? How much better is it? Did any of you actually experience the problems with the K-Jam I did? How does the speed compare to the JasJar? I am umming and ahhing over the TyTn and P990i, a tough choice ahead.
Please make any other points you feel relevant.
Many thanks

I have a wizard. The tytn looks nice, I would buy it in a snap over the 990 if I didn't have a wizard.
Reasons I'm not getting it:
1) my keyboard is nicer on the wizard
2) I have 7GB of MiniSD (TyTn is microsd)
3) Tytn has one speaker on the back instead of 2 stereo on the sides

Heres a little photo comparison review of the Tytn and Wizard (Dopod 838)
http://docfiles.blogspot.com/2006/08/docs-dopod-838-pro-photo-review.html#links

Thanks for that.
Please have a look at the benchamark results for the TyTn against some other devices.
The Dopod 838 Pro is the TyTn
http://www.indippc.com/v3/index.php/topic,676.0.html

Price, I got my Wizard (Cingular 8125) for 400 dollars, vs. paying 800 for a TyTN....

Clearly I'd say the best device is the Universal, nevertheless being a proud owner of a TyTN, considering all features and form-factor I'd say this is the device to get. Of course if you don't mind the size the Universal is clearly superior, the comparison between TyTN and Wizard is more likely to give you second thougths. Much faster, equally good battery and UMTS are in favor of the TyTN. The price is clearly on Wizard's side, but since you can find the TyTN for 690 Euros here in Portugal I would definitely recommend it.

Although the Universal may be the best overall device, as it does not have US UMTS/HSDPA frequencies, it's really a non-issue here... Go with the TyTN.

Question for People who have upgraded from Wizard to Hermes

How much faster is this new processor compared to the Wizards? Is noticably much faster, or not much?
Is it worth the upgrade?

yes it is, video streaming, usege of phone, bootup all faster but i must say t-mob rom has som glitches. not obvious but still there

The speed increase wasn't as fantastic as I had hoped, but it makes the device definitely more usable.
I'd say if you are a heavy user of the device and have the "Spare" cash, GET ONE, If not, wait for the next Vario III or whatever its gonna be called.

Re: Question for People who have upgraded from Wizard to Her
dangerous_dom said:
How much faster is this new processor compared to the Wizards? Is noticably much faster, or not much?
Is it worth the upgrade?
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If you want to use Skype and 3G, then yes. Other not really. Don't get me wrong it is the best device for me, but unless you can get a good deal then as has been said already the speed difference isn't onticeable from the latest Wizard ROMs.

TyTN vs Wizaed? No Contest!!
C'mon guys you gotta be kidding!!??!!
The TyTN/VarioII/SPV 3100...and its other guises, is far superior to the Wizard, even with the latest ROM!
Compare:
Does the Wizard have a commendable 2MP camera worthy of taking on SE K750i?
Does the Wizard have A2DP & AKU2 out the box?
Does it Multitask like the TyTN without lag?
Is it as varied in operability i.e. one-handed navigation plus many buttons?
Does it have HSDPA compatibility?
Is the screen as bright and clear?
Does it even have 3G?
Can it Video call?
NO!
The Wizard is good an everything but the TyTN is Great in comparison. Just my 2 cents worth.

Aye but unless you're wanting to use 3G, want to run lots of apps or use the camera then it's not noticeable better than the Wizard. I still have to see the difference in speed between the latest Wizard ROMs and the TyTYN.
As I said it is better, but not worth taking out a new contract to run against your existing one like a lot of people are doing.

Allow me to step in with a related question: The 3rd party compatible battery charts from Hongkong manufacturers show the HTC batteries from the Wizard and Hermes to be compatible. Can you confirm this?

@Lucas0511
The batteries are completely different.
The Wizard one is much smaller than that of the Hermes.
See attached picture
Cheers,
Drifter

The Wizard was Okay, but not close to the Tytn. I found the Wizard keyboard (Qtek 9100) somewhat unusable, the annoyance of constantly hitting the camera button a nuisance, and the constant speed degredations because it was doing some housekeeping unacceptable, all of these issues are gone with the Tytn. The ability to use Skype on the phone, important to communicate overseas, and other features made this an easy choice. Plus, don't ask me how I did it, but broke the spring holding in the memory card on the Wizard, which made it ready for retirement.

The Vario is a Good Phone, The vario II is definitely a better phone, but the newer version is still very expensive SIM free at the moment and So in my opinion the bottom line is if you use it to its full potentional AND if you have the spare cash.
The Vario II isn't as brilliant as I would have hoped, the 400Mhz processor is FASTER, but you still see abit of lag which I wasn't expecting.
UMTS and HSPDA make the device MUCH faster for downloading, but its still quite slow with internet browsing.
The camera is better but not even in its wildest dreams can it take on the SE K750.
Video calling - How often do people use this ?
You also need to keep in mind that will the pace that phones are being developed and released that the Vario III is possibly going to be released within the next 12 months or less.
So, the bottom line I would say is ..... do you need it and have you got the money.

Hi all,
I've been running the Wizard for almost 9 months now - clocked at 264 MHz thanks to omapclock - without any problem.
I got a TyTN from my job at the end of July and could not see any noticeable difference in terms of latency or execution speed.
The battery lasts only 24 hours when I am under UMTS coverage (48h at least with the Wizard with Edge).
I seriously think I'll get back to the Wizard until a decent french ROM version is available :?
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HTC TyTN French (HERM200)
ROM: 1.18.256.2 (05/30/06) - ExtROM: 1.18.256.103
Radio: 1.03.03.10 - Proto: 32.34.7010.01H

I think i will stick with my Wizard for now. From what i have read on these forums and elsewhere, the differences, while nice, are not compelling enough for warrent the spend.
Thanks for you input.

I use Slingplayer. Will the tytn make a difference? I also live in Dallas where umts is active.

Compare the TyTN and the Wizard - (performance)

I posted this on the TyTN thread, but wanted the input of readers on this thread as well.
What would the major differances be between the TyTN ie Qtek 9600 model phone in the performance area as opposed to the Wizard model phones ie.. cingular 8125/T-Mobile MDA phones? Does the processor speed of the two model greatly affect the running of the phone or is it reduced due to the fact that they really arn't apples to apples on the processor as one is a samsung processor and the other the omap.
Also am considering the HP hw6945 model as well. If any one has any insight on that.
Thanks for any insight.
pschmidt

pschmidt63 said:
I posted this on the TyTN thread, but wanted the input of readers on this thread as well.
What would the major differances be between the TyTN ie Qtek 9600 model phone in the performance area as opposed to the Wizard model phones ie.. cingular 8125/T-Mobile MDA phones? Does the processor speed of the two model greatly affect the running of the phone or is it reduced due to the fact that they really arn't apples to apples on the processor as one is a samsung processor and the other the omap.
Also am considering the HP hw6945 model as well. If any one has any insight on that.
Thanks for any insight.
pschmidt
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Apples and oranges, I'd say. While, in cases, overclocking the Wizard may result in great speed increase (which can help in, say, loading Opera Mobile), I use it witout overclocking and am absolutely happy with it.
That is, don't be afraid of the "slow" 195 MHz Wizard. If you do find it slow, you can always overclock it.

I've had the k-jam since december of 05. I've never been so thilled with a phone in my life (and I've had several hundred easily).
I've never had a time where I really wished the k-jam had more processor. Sure, if offered I'd take it, but I've never had an issue without. I don't overclock at all.
A friend has the TyTN and he loves it (he went from the RAZR to it and it was his first PPC phone). Compared to my k-jam, the menus are a little snappier but all the apps run the same speed. While I'm dying to have a device with UMTS, the TyTN isn't worth the price of upgrading for me.
But, if you don't have either and you're looking for one, ALWAYS get the latest and greatest. Simple rule. But if you have the wizard, hold off because there's much better stuff coming soon. There always is.
-Mc

great device! few comments

Ladies and Gentlemen!
Just receivd my HTC Herald few days ago and I am happy to say :
this device is vey good.
on the PROS side:
battery life is very good - on pair with Excalibur
keyboard is sensational - sprung keyboard.
keyboard is identical to Hermes keyboard but has Exclaibur like rubber feel to it. very sexy!
device plays chimes when hardware keyboard is being slided out/ slided in.
very cool this one. my wife wants this device badly now
overall very well built device. great quality.
D-pad look is similar to HTC TyTN D-Pad but feels completely different! much better this one. better click easier to use. big step forward.
sylus - identical to Trinity. non-telescopic one. very convenient to use.
screen is very bright and clear.
WiFI and BT - can not compain about that one.
on CONS side:
200MHz processor - SKYPE is big NO NO unless processor is overclocked...
multimedia speaker sound is very soft. quite easy to miss on incomming call. did that few time already.
device is not as light as Artemis for an instance. it feels a bit heavier than it should.
I have noticed that this is due to the battery weight mainly.
great form factor! excellent replacement for HTC Wizard.

I hope when they come with the next version for the TyTn it is with the sprung keyboard with chimes
Regards

where did you purchase the herald?
im interested in getting one.

Sorry. I am afraid that HTC P4350 is not commercially available yet.
P.S. after almost full week of having Herald in operation I have eventually realised that great keyboard and D-Pad makes this phone exceptional for me.
I wouldn't touch Hermes any more. what a difference!
bigneeker said:
where did you purchase the herald?
im interested in getting one.
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I'm with you on that one SecureGSM... I too have a P4350 (although an older firmware than yours), and think it's a keeper.
Size is great, dpad is great and keyboard is pretty good (not quite as good as Hermes IMHO, primarily due to location of button for left soft key).
I love the spring out keyboard action, but wish it was a bit lighter (why so heavy?) and wish it looked a bit more special and a bit less industrial
P

Cheers, Modaco!
It is the battery that makes this device feels heavy! I have realised that when I removed the battery out. Not sure why.. may be HTC has to use new designed battery in conformance with new European standards and regulations? battery is definetely heavier than normal would be. I guess this is the question to technical gurus. I am not one of those, sorry
modaco said:
I'm with you on that one SecureGSM... I too have a P4350 (although an older firmware than yours), and think it's a keeper.
... but wish it was a bit lighter (why so heavy?) and wish it looked a bit more special and a bit less industrial
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In Germany it costs "only" 120 dollars less than the Tytn, but especially with a data flat I would not want to miss 3G and HSDPA anymore. The problems with the low speaker sound and low A2DP stereo quality leaves a lot of HTC customers angry. Too bad the Herald does not improve on this yet. Looking forward to the O2 Flame now, even if Quanta produces it...

Skype on HTC Herald (Dopod C800)
Dear all,
Have anyone actually tried skype on HTC Herald ?
I need to double confirm that HTC Herald is not able to
handle skype properly, so I will have to go for HTC Hermes instead. Basically I love every review on the Herald
except on the problem with skype.
Pls advise.
Thanks.

Hi,
I am also planning to order the Herald.
Great device in my opinion. The only disavantage is indeed the processor.
But if you overclock the processor to 240mhz, skype will work, i guess.
The HTC 9100 has the same processor and some people already reported skype succesfully working after overclocking tot 240 Mhz.
Am i correct ?
regards,
Dieter.

Can you tell me if the Herald has a low Wi-fi reception, like the Hermes? Thank you.

Hi Frankie_R,
you mean that the Hermes actually weak WIFI issue ?
will that affect the voice quality when using SKYPE ?
Hi ddv,
I have a review in local newspaper that the device is working properly on Skype without overclocking.
Not sure how true.
Unless the new 200MHz Processor is very efficient, I
seriously doubt it can handle skype with acceptable
voice quality even at 240Mhz overclocking.
Of couse, I wouls prefer to wait for actual
experience feedback.
At the mean time, I can still wait for the
ETEN M700 to come out.
Thanks for reading

sylvester_k said:
Hi Frankie_R,
you mean that the Hermes actually weak WIFI issue?
will that affect the voice quality when using SKYPE ?
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If the signal isn't too weak (but the Hermes has a low reception, so you must be not too far away from the source) Skype will work without any problem.

hermes and kaiser question

does hermes device has the same video performance problem like tytn ii kaiser?
(the one the ppl collecting money for to find someone to make a normal graphic driver...)
sorry if this is a stupid question...

Hermes vs. Kaiser video
The Hermes doesn't have the Kaiser's 3d hardware, so no. That said, the Hermes also has half the ram, no GPS, a single rather than dual-core cpu, and no tilt mechanism (handier than you think).
I have have used the Hermes and I own the Kaiser: both are excellent, but the extra power brought by the Kaiser will keep it relevant long after its considered obsolete.
EDIT: Just to be sure, I checked my facts over on wikipedia, and they claim the Hermes/TyTn *does* have the Imageon hardware....so it looks like I may be speaking too quickly. I certainly didn't notice any real screen speed difference in the one I used, but it was in my possession for only two days.

goldenu said:
The Hermes doesn't have the Kaiser's 3d hardware, so no. That said, the Hermes also has half the ram, no GPS, a single rather than dual-core cpu, and no tilt mechanism (handier than you think).
I have have used the Hermes and I own the Kaiser: both are excellent, but the extra power brought by the Kaiser will keep it relevant long after its considered obsolete.
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the thing is i watch alot of movies on my n95...really enjoy it so does playing games on it...but with the kaiser problem dunno what to do...