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Disagree with me, if you want, but for a very long time, I found myself with a lack of enthusiasm for HTC's various phones. In-between all the various 'meh' releases, there were some nice phones, but they were always nice for only a few reasons. For example, the Touch HD was nice because it had a large display and supposedly better speakers. The Tough Pro 2 is nice because it's a Touch HD with a keyboard. The HTC Dream was nice because it's the first phone to use something other than Symbian/WinMo/OSX.
Now, however, for the first time in a very long time, an HTC phone came out which I can give more than one or two compliments about. This phone is of course the HTC Leo: http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/14/htc-leo-spotted-in-the-wild-sports-gargantuan-800-x-480-display/
Let me list all of the great things I personally see about the phone:
1) 4.3in WVGA display (that surpasses even the Toshiba TG01)
2) 1Ghz Snapdragon processor; I don't think much of Qualcomm, but an upgrade is an upgrade
3) 320MB RAM
4) Dual LED flash on 8MP camera
My God, those specs are simply awesome, and best of all, it uses my favorite OS: WinMo. More importantly, the specs is perhaps good enough to facilitate an upgrade to WinMo 7 later (at least I dearly hope so). The only thing that could make this phone better is a QWERTY version and a release date not too far off.
Super specs...
The Leo May NOT Have a Capacitive Screen After All - http://pocketnow.com/rumor/the-leo-may-not-have-a-capacitive-screen-after-all
Resistive or capacitive, not a big deal to me personally. Capacitive is a little better, but resistive is more flexible (gloves & stylus).
That aside, 100% this is the first phone since my Touch Pro to really get me excited, and the first ever non-keyboard WM phone I'll buy. Nice to see an actual device just to prove the doubters wrong (seriously, how the ignored the evidence I don't know). Now we just need to get people to stop referring to it as "Touch Pro 3". It's NOT! Also, for those who haven't noticed, THIS IS NOT A RELEASE DEVICE! You really think HTC will release it as-is with the filler "lorem ipsum" text on the back? Sheesh...
Pretty obvious this device's main job is as a tesbed for WM7, the specs of this and WM7 are almost 100% aligned. HTC might not release the upgrade come the time, but the good folk here cetainly will.
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The Leo May NOT Have a Capacitive Screen After All - http://pocketnow.com/rumor/the-leo-may-not-have-a-capacitive-screen-after-all
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Well, to be honest, I didn't even know the Leo was supposed to have a capacitive screen to begin with. Besides, I really do prefer a resistive screen. The screen is good enough as it is; perhaps it could be a bit better if it were AMOLED, but otherwise, meh.
WOW its a Godzilla
very big device because of the screen
but really killer phone
with the 1024mhz cpu , thats really fast
but its not for me
i like a smaller device
3.6 screen is good for me , touch pro 2 is good but it has a turtle CPU and have a screen gap
im very confused now
i think ill go for samsung omnia 2 or omnia pro
Does it fit in a regular pocket? Is it still a PocketPC
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The Leo May NOT Have a Capacitive Screen After All - http://pocketnow.com/rumor/the-leo-may-not-have-a-capacitive-screen-after-all
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Although you may be disappointed, to me a resistive screen makes me WANT it. I prefer a resistive screen because it can run software that would be untenable on a capacitive screen. So thank you for the good news!
Aqrab said:
but really killer phone
with the 1024mhz cpu , thats really fast
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Unlikely, I don't think the CPU is 1024Mhz. More likely than not, it's probably 990-995Mhz and they round it up.
3.6 screen is good for me , touch pro 2 is good but it has a turtle CPU and have a screen gap
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Yes, I don't mind any device so long as it has at least a 3.5in screen. As someone who has been a former user of the HTC Hermes and a current user of the HTC Raphael, I tend to get sick using devices with small screens, and low res.
However, I don't doubt you for thinking of the Omnia II or B7610. I myself was actually planning on buying the B7610.
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Does it fit in a regular pocket? Is it still a PocketPC
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My friend, you are speaking to someone who use to pocket devices like the HP Jornada 548, Palm TX, Ti-85 calculator, and many, many other similar objects. The HTC Leo will not be a problem.
htc leo is a multi touch screen device
see this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=026KGhk29Io
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7764
may be you should check this up..
Isn't multi touch a requirement or goal of wm7?
In any case LEO is attractive to me due to the large screen, my eyes arent as good as they used to be and snapdragon should make it zippy
Is it safe to assume that there is no release date or even any info on what carrier(s) may get it? Sorry for the newbie type question.
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Is it safe to assume that there is no release date or even any info on what carrier(s) may get it? Sorry for the newbie type question.
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You are right.
Till now, Its not 100% clear about anything about Leo.
Even the complete ACTUAL specifications. Like video call support, Camera resolution, keyboard support, etc.
Way too big for a phone the TP2 is pushing it a bit and this size crosses the line for alot of people.
Thanks skr_xd!
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Way too big for a phone the TP2 is pushing it a bit and this size crosses the line for alot of people.
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So a fraction of a millimeter more in size is considered crossing the line now? Maybe if you balls weren't in a vice grip from wearing those skinny jeans, you may find that they will fit in a pants/shirt pocket just fine.
Crossing the line would be the same group of people who ***** about every slim phones for not having a QWERTY keyboard or running on androids.
Please dont soil this masterpiece of a beast with your trite.
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So a fraction of a millimeter more in size is considered crossing the line now? Maybe if you balls weren't in a vice grip from wearing those skinny jeans, you may find that they will fit in a pants/shirt pocket just fine.
Crossing the line would be the same group of people who ***** about every slim phones for not having a QWERTY keyboard or running on androids.
Please dont soil this masterpiece of a beast with your trite.
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Hey Lude,
Why don't you put on some lube and calm your cojones? He had an opinion, and that was it.
This phone is simply just way too big, I'd have to agree. The specs are beastly on this thing, and I personally think even 3.8" on the Touch HD was the ideally perfect size. I have no idea why they'd even want a 4.3".
And personally, unless if this thing is packing a 1850 mAH battery on it, I wouldn't even bother with the phone. 4.3" and a 1Ghz processor + 3G or 4G or what have you. You do the math on how fast before this thing dies in your hand midway through the day. This is assuming that they're using the same old type of LCD-displays that are present in the TouchHD and not some new revolutionary giga-low-powered-screen.
It looks very good on paper, but I'm fairly confident that this phone is going to only attend to a market that is only a fraction of what the TouchHD is focused on now.
Cheers.
It looks nice. And is it the HTC Touch Pro 3? HTC Leo runs on a 1GHz Snapdragon processor?
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It looks nice. And is it the HTC Touch Pro 3? HTC Leo runs on a 1GHz Snapdragon processor?
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Yes, the Leo uses the Snapdragon processor, but it is not the Touch Pro 3. As far as I know, HTC's Touch Pro line are all supposed to be QWERTY.
Looking at this SGS2 review http://www.mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s2-en.shtml
Just before half way down the page you can see some comparison shots between sgs2 and sgs screens.
Is it just me, or does the "Plus" sgs2 screen seem more grainy than the original sgs screen? Horizontal lines seem much more visible aswell.
Do you think this is just a product of the photography, and not a reflection of real appearance? Or is this the result of decreased pixel density, or space between pixels on the larger screen? Or is this a disadvantage of the traditional RGB layout?
Just wanted to get some other thoughts on the matter. I suspect that I the photos may not tell the full story, I definitely would like to see the screens in person
better color depth
Yeah I think it's an artifact of the photography.
Look at the first ones with the leaves, the SGS has some vertical artifacts going on and the SGS2 doesn't.
meh...
I still believe that the Galaxy s II it's not worth my attention right now.
My galaxy s can do all i need, the screen is super awesome (one of my friends with a desire hd was completely astounded by the awesome colors and contrast) and the battery is somewhat good for a 4" samoled screen (thanks darky ).
the point is: why the hell should I sell my beautiful SGS, then buy for around 500€ an SGS II? I'l wait for better devices later.
My SGS will last at least 2 year more!
Indeed the better screen would be nice but I'm not sure the other hardware improvements will really bring much improvement at this time.
My plan has always been to use the SGS for 1.5-2 years. Perhaps by that time we'll have RGB SAMOLED screens with higher resolution, batter battery life, better software (including the OS and apps making use of dual core and faster GPUs), etc..
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Indeed the better screen would be nice but I'm not sure the other hardware improvements will really bring much improvement at this time.
My plan has always been to use the SGS for 1.5-2 years. Perhaps by that time we'll have RGB SAMOLED screens with higher resolution, batter battery life, better software (including the OS and apps making use of dual core and faster GPUs), etc..
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that's exactly what I meant.
the sgs is awesome, and I don't feel the need to change device every 6 months
it's definitely better to just wait for when the technology will be better, dual core (or quadcore maybe?) processors will be fully optimized, screens will have less battery consumptio, there will be fast-charge batteries, android will be even more awesome and customizable, etc..
I suppose that in a mere 2 years this might be the tech scenario around smartphones
Wish I could stay with my sgs, but the pentile screen is driving me nuts. Don't know how you guys can stand it. Ice cream can't be that far away..
i hope the sgs 3 become a tegra 2 chip because sony will implemented ps2 games in their platform and mobile phones with tegra 2 can play too with the playstation app. my sgs will belong to me for 1,5 years after that i will see.
Damn, this russian guy has a galaxy s II. So if he know how it works he'll may be able to get to the internal apps like the hubs and the touchwiz. But I dont know for sure, if he really needs root permissions to access the system-binary
But there also was a russian guy, who rooted the galaxy s @ first
Lets hope for these russian guys. Maybe we'll get these nice applications also for our good "old" galaxy S ;D
Well, and one thing I also have to say is that I will keep my sgs as long as possible
In the dark future, when there wont be any official upgrades for android by samsung there will be always a source of hope
These guys from cyanogen mod are awesome and maybe we will also get the icecream update and MHL feature to use a usb2hdmi cable lets hope for the best guys
Ths SGS 2 already uses a RGB matrix:
http://www.oled-info.com/tags/super-amoled-plus
http://fonefrenzy.com/tag/super-amoled-plus/
http://www.oled-info.com/tags/super-amoled
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Ths SGS 2 already uses a RGB matrix:
http://www.oled-info.com/tags/super-amoled-plus
http://fonefrenzy.com/tag/super-amoled-plus/
http://www.oled-info.com/tags/super-amoled
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No one has said otherwise?
haloimplant said:
Indeed the better screen would be nice but I'm not sure the other hardware improvements will really bring much improvement at this time.
My plan has always been to use the SGS for 1.5-2 years. Perhaps by that time we'll have RGB SAMOLED screens with higher resolution, batter battery life, better software (including the OS and apps making use of dual core and faster GPUs), etc..
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No one has said otherwise?
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i read wrong?
I know the SGS 2 SAMOLED+ is RGB, at 800x480 resolution. What I meant was higher resolution, like say 'qHD' 960x540, but still RGB not pentile again.
haloimplant said:
I know the SGS 2 SAMOLED+ is RGB, at 800x480 resolution. What I meant was higher resolution, like say 'qHD' 960x540, but still RGB not pentile again.
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Oh. OK, sorry. i misunderstood.
As the title suggests... what will you do?
I want the Titan very much but will hold on and use my Mango HD2 for just a little longer.
Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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I was tempted but im a bit disapointed that we are only getting the 205 gpu, essentially we are only getting a 500mhz speed bump an a slightly bigger battery. Think I'll wait tbh, im more than happy with the hd2 an wp7, at the very least I may wait until the price drops. Full price for a slightly bigger screen, battery an a 500mhz speed bump, isn't worth it in my opinion
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Seriusly? I don,t know why spend 500 bucks to buy a phone with a little more spec hd2. HD2 is thé kind, si the next prototype in sell from HTC comes in 2020...
I want a device where I can't see the pixels, like on the Iphone. Meaning I'll have to wait for new chassis specs from MS. Also I've often been impressed with the build quality and battery life on Nokia phones, so when I do get a new phone it'll prolly be a Nokia.
I'd expect a s3 snapdragon with a Adreno 220 gpu, not second gen s2 stuff, I mean s4 snapdragons will be out very soon, so effectively the titan will be 2 generations old by time its released! Seems daft if you ask me, perhaps the listed spec is wrong but several sites say its deffiniely an s2
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I was going to get one till i saw its 840x480 still on a bigger screen i mean wtf lol and 1 upgrade from the crap gpu thats in my hd2 right now and all for £500 probly here sim free in the uk. No thanks
Im waiting on a phone from htc thats got dule core cpu a good gpu and higher rez screen then i will be willing to spend £500 on a windows phone until that day i will stick with my hd2. i just hope one day someone comes along and fixes the bug with the battery drain
i think im sticking with my hd2 seeing as my contact doesnt end till april, but hopefully by then i will be able to get a dual core with 1080p video
dont expect too much from Nokia Carl Zeiss
Hey man, I've had Nokia N73 N95 and Nokia N95 8Gb, and let me tell you that I love by far the pictures taken with our HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 with WP7 still being not so good you know... but really the Carl Zeiss lens in Nokia NSeries isn't so good as marketing says .... lets wait for new models with WP7 but I really think that HTC is a better brand ....
I have my HTC HD2 now for 2 year and the material that is made is really fantastic, until now the metal still being like new from factory the display the same... maybe some scratches after 2 years on buttons... and the experience with Nokia mobile phones is really the opposite, I had this Nokia N95 two years and the battery is fat you now like blowed not working anymore, needed to buy new one and the cases are like chinnesse plastic soo BAD !!! I needed to change my cases 2 times in 2 years .... soooo really HTC has shown soo good battery life itself and so good cases life.....sooo In my opinion I wont change to any other brand HTC !for me until now has been almost the perfect mobile phone
Grettings .....
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Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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Hey man, I've had Nokia N73 N95 and Nokia N95 8Gb, and let me tell you that I love by far the pictures taken with our HTC HD2 with Windows 6.5 with WP7 still being not so good you know... but really the Carl Zeiss lens in Nokia NSeries isn't so good as marketing says .... lets wait for new models with WP7 but I really think that HTC is a better brand ....
I have my HTC HD2 now for 2 year and the material that is made is really fantastic, until now the metal still being like new from factory the display the same... maybe some scratches after 2 years on buttons... and the experience with Nokia mobile phones is really the opposite, I had this Nokia N95 two years and the battery is fat you now like blowed not working anymore, needed to buy new one and the cases are like chinnesse plastic soo BAD !!! I needed to change my cases 2 times in 2 years .... soooo really HTC has shown soo good battery life itself and so good cases life.....sooo In my opinion I wont change to any other brand HTC !for me until now has been almost the perfect mobile phone
Grettings .....
Very interetsted in the Titan, like the idea of 1.5GHz CPU and bigger screen. Also native WP7 support would be good. Not sure about soft buttons though, heard bad things about them.
Definitely interested to see what Nokia can do. My first smartphone was a Nokia 9110 back in 1998. Would love to see a modern day offering from Nokia - they've done some great hardware.
But do we really need a dual core CPU which will just eat into battery life? Surely a 1ghz processor is more than enough to run WP7 (HD2 is proof) so a 1.5Ghz single core is more than plenty. Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
So, I think the Titan is a great upgrade. Bigger screen, thinner, faster, WiFi tethering, better camera, front facing camera, better sound (5.1) etc.
I paid £500 for my sim free HD2 on launch date. I am tempted to sell it and put money towards Titan.
The only thing I dislike about the Titan is the double edge bezel design above the screen. Its horrible and does not match the bottom of the phone and thus spoils
the look.
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But do we really need a dual core CPU which will just eat into battery life? Surely a 1ghz processor is more than enough to run WP7 (HD2 is proof) so a 1.5Ghz single core is more than plenty. Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
So, I think the Titan is a great upgrade. Bigger screen, thinner, faster, WiFi tethering, better camera, front facing camera, better sound (5.1) etc.
I paid £500 for my sim free HD2 on launch date. I am tempted to sell it and put money towards Titan.
The only thing I dislike about the Titan is the double edge bezel design above the screen. Its horrible and does not match the bottom of the phone and thus spoils
the look.
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Bigger screen isnt better, its larger, and may suite some folk an not others, i wouldnt shell out 500 on half an inch
Your right about the dual core, we dont even know how WP could deal with such a thing, but what is missing from the S2 Snapdragons is the GPU/memory the Adreno 220 is between 100% to 400% faster than the S2 Adreno 205 which is slightly faster than the Adreno 200 we have, there is also the memory and power consumption improvments.
Shelling out 500 on a device that is 2 generations obsolete before it even hits the shelves (S4 on its way which also comes in single, dual and quad core an over x16 improvment in speed over our HD2 and significant battery drainage reduction) sounds more like HTC trying to clear Snapdragon S2 stock rather than provide us with a new device, we would be getting a minimal improvment over the HD2.
Its like me trying to sell you today a 3GHz Intel Prescott CPU for the full ~£300 it cost AS NEW ~6/7 years ago, "But its new, its never been used before so why wouldnt you pay that price? it is after all faster than a ATOM CPU?"
Where did you get this 5.1 sound business? i didnt see HDMI output on the spec, just curious,
Its 1.1mm thiner, 10mm Longer and 3.6 mm wider and a few grams heaver, 1.1mm thiner isnt much to shell out 500 quid on
Some good valid points. As for the 5.1 reference, this is taken straight from HTC's site.
Multimedia
See photos from your camera, Facebook and Windows Live™ accounts in the Pictures hub
Music and Videos Hub powered by Zune lets you listen to radio, download music, and more
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5.1 surround sound for video
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Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.
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I don't believe that. I can clearly see the pixels on my HD2, so why wouldn't I be able to see them on a device with an even lower PPI?
EDIT: Also, I actually don't think it's dual core.
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Some good valid points. As for the 5.1 reference, this is taken straight from HTC's site.
Multimedia
See photos from your camera, Facebook and Windows Live™ accounts in the Pictures hub
Music and Videos Hub powered by Zune lets you listen to radio, download music, and more
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5.1 surround sound for video
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curious, as far as i am aware Bluetooth doesnt transmit 5.1, a 3.5mm Jack sure as hell cant, perhaps there is some sort of USB pass through
I wonder what exactly they mean.
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I don't believe that. I can clearly see the pixels on my HD2, so why wouldn't I be able to see them on a device with an even lower PPI?
EDIT: Also, I actually don't think it's dual core.
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Hmm, im not sure, as far as i know The world of PPI,DPI Dot Pitch can get quite confusing, especially without all the facts.
by having a set resolution over a larger screen would decrease the outputed PPI
however the screen may have a significantly higher DPI and with some clever use of interpolation and Dithering may "hide" that, it also depends on distance from the screen, generally speaking the larger the screen the further away you are from it, if i get close enough to a Iphone 4 i will see them. if i hold an iphone at arms length you will not beable to see the difference between an HD2 and iPhone. Theres lots of variables including your own eyes so dont count it out until you see it.
Sure, HTC may be using some kind of tricks to mask the low DPI of the Titan. But I haven't seen the device IRL so I wouldn't know about that.
No-one holds the device an arm's length away, though. Hold an Iphone and an HD2 at a comfortable distance, and the difference in PPI will be very visible, assuming you have average eyesight.
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Maybe next year. Will wait for all the mango handsets to come. Waiting for Nokia to reveal its phones. Nokia is supposed to have better lens.. Carl Zeiss?? All else being same, a better optics will clinch the deal, I suppose. Waiting for Nokia phones..
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exactly what he said. No need for swap yet...
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Sure, HTC may be using some kind of tricks to mask the low DPI of the Titan. But I haven't seen the device IRL so I wouldn't know about that.
No-one holds the device an arm's length away, though. Hold an Iphone and an HD2 at a comfortable distance, and the difference in PPI will be very visible, assuming you have average eyesight.
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well i have certified perfect eye sight i can cant see a difference at a comfortable distance, most people hold phones and books far too close to their eyes and do not even know it, it places a lot of strain on them which isnt good for you.
what i can see is that on SOME specific types of pictures it does display colour banding.
Go sit 6 inches from your TV screen and see how long you can last before you get a headache
anyhow, point is, the PPI on the device is a mute point until you can actually see it. Still wouldnt consider getting it as new just yet, not worth the cash for a small upgrade, and i think the half inch extra screen is a waste too, HD2 is plenty large enough.
"HTC might actually be the star of the Android show this time around though, as we have been told HTC will have a major flagship device hitting Verizon shelves in the fall. It’s said to feature a whopping 5-inch 1080p HD display (a non-PenTile screen), a new chipset that includes a quad-core Krait CPU and an Adreno 320 GPU, HTC Sense 5 and a Scribe pen. Yes, HTC is launching a Galaxy Note competitor."
http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/26/verizons-summer-fall-2012-smartphone-roadmap/
If the Scribe pen is going to be built into the Phone like it is the the S-Pen...this may be worth looking at. I would preffer a 5 inch to a 5.3 inch...that tiny bit may make the difference on making it easier to touch the Symbol switch button on the keyboard...plus a 1080p display on a 5" display!? and I though a 720p display was sweet!
I don't plan on letting my Note for a while yet, but this would be a nice piece of tech to look forward too.
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"HTC might actually be the star of the Android show this time around though, as we have been told HTC will have a major flagship device hitting Verizon shelves in the fall. It’s said to feature a whopping 5-inch 1080p HD display (a non-PenTile screen), a new chipset that includes a quad-core Krait CPU and an Adreno 320 GPU, HTC Sense 5 and a Scribe pen. Yes, HTC is launching a Galaxy Note competitor."
http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/26/verizons-summer-fall-2012-smartphone-roadmap/
If the Scribe pen is going to be built into the Phone like it is the the S-Pen...this may be worth looking at. I would preffer a 5 inch to a 5.3 inch...that tiny bit may make the difference on making it easier to touch the Symbol switch button on the keyboard...plus a 1080p display on a 5" display!? and I though a 720p display was sweet!
I don't plan on letting my Note for a while yet, but this would be a nice piece of tech to look forward too.
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emmm if it will be 5 inch lcd screen, then have fun with battery life ;D
Yeah. The power draw will be disgusting. =/
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Looks like an lg vu to me???
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well we will have The Note 2 ... Just watch IFA.....
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Wouldn't be a huge competitor I think, at least for me. The screen would draw massive amounts of power being non-pentile for 5in. Not to mention its also a 1080p screen taking up even more battery for the GPU. So you'd need a huge battery which would make the device heavy and bulky. The krait chip is ok on power consumption, but I still think quad-core, unless there was webtop, is unnecessary. Especially since the a15 dual cores fly and have better power consumption. But then again it's a selling point to some people to have the best of the best. What I want is a Note2 with basically everything the curent has, but the
Exynos 5250 (2.0 dual core cortex a15). I'd like to see an upgraded Mali to go along with it, although they're power as it is anyways. Along with some other small things like LED notification, 12mp camera, and maybe a more accurate stylus (it can be off by 3mm sometimes for me). I would probably buy it quickly then.
Nah, I don't want LCD TFT screen after Super Amoled. Why don't use it?! Even Motorola now use Super Amoled.
Competition of 5" smartphones is a good thing.
If HTC still uses qualcomm CPU, I don't think I will move back to HTC.
I used to be HTC fanboy, really love HTC sense's integration, best proprietary Launcher/UI/framework among ALL android devices, I didn't even feel like I need to root nor change launcher when I was using HTC devices
BUT HTC really has a loose end on hardware spec. when I was going to upgrade my HTC Desire, I was choosing between HTC sensation and Samsung Galaxy SII.
Sensation was a HUGE disappointment to me, sluggish control, pitiful hardware spec as a flagship product. I ended up got the SII.
SII has superb hardware, everything was SO smooth and fast but the touchwiz is a major let down to me. I always hope one day I could use HTC sense on Samsung devices(which now I understand it will never happen)
Now I have Note, still the touchwiz is a real bugger but now I flashed ICS Stunner with Apex launcher, only thing I miss is the function S-Pen with S-memo. the rest are excellent. still not as good as SenseUI for my taste but close enough.
IF new HTC's Note competitor can have the smoothness operation like Samsung's device and retain the ability of SenseUI.
I will move back to HTC in a heartbeat.
I honestly don't like to flash rom, fix this fix that. I like good proprietary stuffs, maybe I am getting old, I don't like to geek around like I used to. I just want to have a phone that works for my taste at the first day I bought it, no mods, no flash.
sorry for the long post. Just my little thoughts
Well if the screen is S-LCD2 like the one on the One X then I'll seriously consider it..
Sense is the best UI out there, period (IMHO of course)
But I agree with @whatsaqazza, I'll take dual core A15 over quad core A9 any day, and it's obvious in One S vs One X that it has better performance and better battery life as well
Let's wait and see
Most of the high end devices are fast enough these days. I'd rather see more effort spent on power savings. I'd like to be able to beat the heck out of my device for a good 16 hours and still come home with 20% battery left. Dual core is fine.
What's up with all the "Sense UI" love? I upgraded from an iPhone to my first android phone -- an HTC Evo 4g. I absolutely loved it over the dumb iPhone. Then I upgraded to the Dell Streak 5 because I wanted a bigger phone. I later grew out of it got an HTC Inspire, once again I was a happy camper. So at that point, I decided I would never go back to another NON-HTC phone... until, my friend showed me the new Samsung Infuse 4G.. after playing with it a few mins, I was in LOVE with it! I couldn't believe what I was missing out on, the TouchWiz UI of Samsung made the Android experience even better! The next day I sold mine on craigslist and got me a brand new Infuse 4G off of ebay and have ever since become a fan of Samsung. Even today, after trying out a few Roms and custom launchers from the Market, I always end up coming back to my beloved TouchWiz UI. It is absolutely the best! I just can't stand using my phone without TouchWiz. It's that good!
I ****ing love my Note, but even I can't find a single argument in favour of tw over sense? Sense is just the most polished launcher anywhere.
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What's up with all the "Sense UI" love?
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I tried HTC HD2 and Wildfire about 2-3 months. Touchwiz is crap but Sense is worse, I really don't understand it and I don't like this UI style. It is almost impossible to customize. Very bad that all manufactors spit on Google offer a choice for users to choose Android stock interface or using inconvenient unpolished manufacturer UI, which add so many troubles and eat many % of battery and RAM.
Personally I hate sense. I find TouchWiz smoother, sadly. TouchWiz may lack the feature set or polish, but actual USE is smoother/quicker.
That said it is irrelevant for me until HTC switches screens. Those Pentile LCD's are just ugly IMO.
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Most of the high end devices are fast enough these days. I'd rather see more effort spent on power savings. I'd like to be able to beat the heck out of my device for a good 16 hours and still come home with 20% battery left. Dual core is fine.
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Same situation than in the ultrabook field. Yeah, there are Core i7, quad-core, 3.4 GHz parts, and GPUs with 2 GB dedicated RAM, but that on a small and thin device only means 2 hr battery life, chasis and keyboard hot as hell and noisy fan that breaks twice a year.
I keep using my Galaxy Note on power savings mode, and when I buy a new laptop, I'll make sure it has an Ivy Bridge ULV chip (17 W TDP). I do not run anything that requieres so much power and I do not like hot and noisy things on my hands for hours.
That may be OK on a gaming desktop, with plenty of fans and away from you under a desk, but not on a portable device. Look at the people complaining about the new chip on the New Ipad. Just selling GHz is not the point nowadays.
I can't believe how much people like Sense & Touchwizz.
I think that the best skin over android is Sony's. I just bought an Xperia S for my dad & absolutely love the live wallpaper, the weather widget & the overall skin on the settings list etc. Seriously, nothing else compares IMHO.
That being said, I personally never had a HTC Phone, but have played with a friend's one for a while. I felt that neither Sense nor Touchwizz was really good enough.
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I can't believe how much people like Sense & Touchwizz.
I think that the best skin over android is Sony's. I just bought an Xperia S for my dad & absolutely love the live wallpaper, the weather widget & the overall skin on the settings list etc. Seriously, nothing else compares IMHO.
That being said, I personally never had a HTC Phone, but have played with a friend's one for a while. I felt that neither Sense nor Touchwizz was really good enough.
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Once you are on AOSP or CM9, you don't want to go back to TouchWiz. Also, I coudn't stand Blur while on my Motorola Atrix. I was happy to become "blur-less". I have a friend who has a HTC and they were happy to become "sense-less" as well.
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Personally I hate sense. I find TouchWiz smoother, sadly. TouchWiz may lack the feature set or polish, but actual USE is smoother/quicker.
That said it is irrelevant for me until HTC switches screens. Those Pentile LCD's are just ugly IMO.
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You have literally no idea what you're talking about when it comes to screen technology.
Also, your eyesight must not be exemplary or you would have noticed the phone you tapped this out on uses a pentile subpixel arrangement. ;-)
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1080p on a 5" screen ? .. would that be something like 450ppi ? I find that a stupid waste on battery power on something that tbh, can we really tell with a 5" screen.. I would have opted for a 720p screen to cut cost and save battery.
I could be completely wrong..im just guessing
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1080p on a 5" screen ? .. would that be something like 450ppi ? I find that a stupid waste on battery power on something that tbh, can we really tell with a 5" screen.. I would have opted for a 720p screen to cut cost and save battery.
I could be completely wrong..im just guessing
Bracken
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I completely agree, but you have people who just want "the best". 1080p is overdoing it, 720p is perfect for 5.3in IMO.
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So, I have the Note II (Awesome device) But now the HTC One is out and on paper in specs its sort of common with the Note II but not as much.Lets go over with the specs shall we?
The note II features a 1.6 ghz Quadcore Exynos 4 CPU - The One has a Snap dragon 600 Quad core 1.7 Ghz processor. Now the 600 is quite new of a processor meaning not many phones have it (Only the Optimus G+ and now the One,as far as im aware) So in the processor im gonna leave it as is just because we still have yet to see the 600 in action.
Both of these devices feature 2 GB RAM - Draw.
The screen is quite different however, On the note II you got a 5.5 Inch Super amoled panel with a resolution of 1280x720 giving a dpi of 267- HTC One has a 4.7 Inch display with a Super LCD 3 panel with a resolution of 1920x1080 which results in a whopping resolution of 469ppi. Many say the 1080p screen is overkill but unless you experience it for real you will see a difference..i have to give this to the One.
In battery not much tests have been made for the One here but my bet the Note II will have a better battery. The Note II has a 3100 MAH battery which is just awesome. The One has a battery of 2300 MAH . Keep in mind that the Note II's battery is removable but the One is not!.This one goes for the Note II
The One comes in 2 models of 32 and 64 gigs of storage with no expandable SD Card. The note II comes in 16 gigs of internal storage and can support an SD card of up to 64 GB. Note II wins this one.
The Camera on the One is the "Ultra pixel" one which no one really is sure what it is or how its better so..im going to leave the camera because no one really can judge.
Software wise , Both the Note II and the One come with Android JELLY BEAN 4.1.2. (Both will be upgradable to 4.2.2)
One thing i wanted to note(no pun intended) is that the Note II has an S-Pen! Im not going to go in the features of it because they are alot..But let me tell you this,Its just awesome..you can take notes with it, Very productive. ( ONE ALSO has Beats audio and 2 front speakers , note 2 doesnt have that)
Ending this..Both of these phones are great..But for me I can upgrade and ditch the Note II to get the One (Got the money) But im going to stay with the Note II because its the phone i want , i dont want to go back to 4.7 inch screen. So thats just my take on it..Its your choice and your money Both of them are great..But ive had HTC in the past..i wont have one again.
I'm curious about the camera in One, they promised a good low light performance. The sceen also may be interesting, but until i see it in real life, I cannot talk about it. The battery, I guess, will be at most 3/4 of ours (a wild guess).
My final verdict: not worth upgrade (if this is really an upgrade?), I'm waiting for S4 and even 5S (these are the phones to set new trends )
Even though htc one has a better specification, better screen, and faster processor. The battery itself will keep me and some people sticking to note 2 for the time being. If you want gaming, the HTC sure will provide better gaming performance (12,000 in quadrant! ) but from my experience of owning HTC one x and one x+, both have terrible battery, especially compared to note 2.
Htc also have quite lame software in my opinion. But HTC Sense looks better, much better than TouchWiz. Note 2 in my book is still the best smartphone to date with s-pen, split screen and other various productivity tools. Great phone for working. The battery will last a full day with heavy usage.
if u prefer raw performance and good camera go for htc one but if u prefer more usablity with spen and storage stay with note 2 and wait for note 3 launch at end q3.
htc one is the king of android phone with optimus g pro but both phone doesnt support digitizer so it lack the usability and precision of note 2.
about battery life, nowadays u can buy an external charger or use in-car charger if u are moving around so battery is not an issue actually unless u go to a very rural place for a week with no charger around but any phone also cant last that long.
anyway its up to user individual.
update - S4 wil also be launching in march so about the king of android is still a puzzle.
htc one has the better built quality it seems with metal construction and injection moulding which is somehow, more solid than plastic (or polycarbonate) on N2
OK there is NO Doubt that the phone is a new top tier phone! But I don't know... HTC has great build quality, but their software is meh. Their updates are slow, because they have to test that REALLY heavy skin over Android, so they are never really on time with updates, and if they are, it's only for the first few months. I don't know, I think HTC has a GREAT design team, and engineers, but I don't really like their software development team because their mentality is build a great device and sell as many as possible and then push out the next one. Samsung, for the moment, is doing a great job. The ORIGINAL Note got updates, and so did the S2. That's just my opinion based on my experience. It could vary. haha. Oh, but battery life is FOR SURE going to be worse on the HTC unless they did something revolutionary with their software and hardware. mAh is mAh! There's no way around that.
I own both devices(Note 2 and One X). In comparison for both devices(stock), I like the the Note 2 the most - no lags, while on the One X - lag is everywhere. The SenseUI is terrible when it comes to response. The only noticeable difference between both devices is when the user wants to access the phone's memory, Kies really suck while on the OneX it's just toggle-transfer-safely remove the device.
Let's be total honest here, One is WAY better than Note 2, in terms of performance, build quality and design. But I won't switch to it, why? Because I don't want to spend extra money for it as my Note 2 is just 4 months old and I still like OLED than LCD.
Agreed on the whole "I had an HTC before and will never have one again". Seriously, their phones always had an issue whether it was software related or hardware. But that's just my experience. I'm never going back. Regardless of how fast it is or how much better. I'm satisfied with the note performance and battery life and especially that it has official cm10.1 support. Awaiting key lime pie and future updates on this beast! :thumbup:
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I own both devices(Note 2 and One X). In comparison for both devices(stock), I like the the Note 2 the most - no lags, while on the One X - lag is everywhere. The SenseUI is terrible when it comes to response. The only noticeable difference between both devices is when the user wants to access the phone's memory, Kies really suck while on the OneX it's just toggle-transfer-safely remove the device.
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this topic is about the all new "One" not the "One X"
One is newer device, of course it will be faster than Note 2.
Would I go for One? No!
Why?
No MMC slot, embedded battery, less battery capacity.
I was the ultimate HTC fanboi up until the original Note came along. It was then I realised Samsung were King when it came to innovation and superior software. I bought the S3 then the Note 2, the Galaxy Camera and the Note 10.1 tablet. I have become a Samsung fanboi without doubt!
However...
I am suddenly taking an interest in both the Sony Xperia Z and now the HTC One. Why? Well purely on a design basis. The Galaxy range is becoming a bit boring in the looks department. I understand that plastic is good for making my devices lightweight and durable but they don't ooze premium like the HTC ONE and the Sony Z (and dare I say the iphone 5 - yes that's quite an admission for an anti apple guy!)
My conclusion is for now I am waiting on what the Samsung Galaxy S4 brings to the table and more importantly the Galaxy Note 3, before I consider jumping ship again. For the time being I am a Samsung fan and I love the Note II but it's about time we had higher resolution AMOLED screens, twin speakers and aluminium chassis for what are ultra premium products.
Sv: HTC One vs Note II
The HTC One has a LOT more pixels to move around wich means that the extra 100mhz CPU power can't even begin to make up with it = laggy? (unless it has an awesome GPU). Also the screen 4'7 is too small for my taste.
This also means more power required from a much smaller battery in the One. Two things I really love about the Note II is the awsome battery life and the ability to simply switch battery if needed.
The One's design looks great however putting the rear speaker in the front looks retatded I think, and to put a "Beats Audio" logo on the back of that beautiful phone is also retarded
In autumn 2013 the Note III will be out and I can honestly say, I will keep my Note II till then!
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All positive and negative aspects aside has anyone noticed how ugly HTC phones have become? Especially the back.
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this topic is about the all new "One" not the "One X"
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Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was about One X because I've read someone comment about it. Thanks for mentioning it.
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Even though htc one has a better specification, better screen, and faster processor. The battery itself will keep me and some people sticking to note 2 for the time being. If you want gaming, the HTC sure will provide better gaming performance (12,000 in quadrant! ) but from my experience of owning HTC one x and one x+, both have terrible battery, especially compared to note 2.
Htc also have quite lame software in my opinion. But HTC Sense looks better, much better than TouchWiz. Note 2 in my book is still the best smartphone to date with s-pen, split screen and other various productivity tools. Great phone for working. The battery will last a full day with heavy usage.
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I own both devices(Note 2 and One X). In comparison for both devices(stock), I like the the Note 2 the most - no lags, while on the One X - lag is everywhere. The SenseUI is terrible when it comes to response. The only noticeable difference between both devices is when the user wants to access the phone's memory, Kies really suck while on the OneX it's just toggle-transfer-safely remove the device.
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Isn't it easier to put it this way without much of explanation.
Cpu = Htc one , it's 40% faster then the one in note and 40% more powerfull, battery consumption is less for around 50%
Display = Htc one , much better sharper crisper , brighter , viewing angles, much more usable on daylight and colors are more accurate then on amoled.
Battery = this one is unknown , but considering it has less power hungry chip smaller screen SLCD3 more power hungry display then amoled and full HD we can expect around 8 hours screen on time. Possibly more still unknown.
Design and build quality = Htc one no doubt about it.
Features = kinda hard call , HTc one comes with plenty of new things while note holds of it's own.
Camera = reported to be currently the best one on the market especially in the dark ( 300% more light then on other devices )
About one X since you mentioned it , you really didn't know how to use HoX no offense still don't ( tho you're right when you compare stock vs stock ) , hox is on a different level now, runs games full effects no laggs ( that can't even s3 & note 2 do ) Battery life has literally doubled , check in my signature screen shoots you'll see almost 7hours screen on time with heavy usage and high brightness at some point.
Anyone final words: Htc one is great but i think us who have quad cores should skip it and wait to see what will sammy bring us in note 3, s4 and what will snapdragon 800 do , it's twice faster then s600. Just my 2 cents.
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About one X since you mentioned it , you really didn't know how to use HoX no offense still don't ( tho you're right when you compare stock vs stock ) , hox is on a different level now, runs games full effects no laggs ( that can't even s3 & note 2 do ) Battery life has literally doubled , check in my signature screen shoots you'll see almost 7hours screen on time with heavy usage and high brightness at some point.
Anyone final words: Htc one is great but i think us who have quad cores should skip it and wait to see what will sammy bring us in note 3, s4 and what will snapdragon 800 do , it's twice faster then s600. Just my 2 cents.
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I did a mere comparison of the two devices, the One X & Note 2 stock devices because that would be the first noticeable differences for prospective buyers. Is it a norm nowadays where you go to an electronics shop where customers would ask clerks of how their phones behave/function while running on custom ROMs? The answer is a no. First they compare the physical aspects of the phone literally head to head and next is what's under the hood.
@TOPIC - sorry for going off-topic.
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I did a mere comparison of the two devices, the One X & Note 2 stock devices because that would be the first noticeable differences for prospective buyers. Is it a norm nowadays where you go to an electronics shop where customers would ask clerks of how their phones behave/function while running on custom ROMs? The answer is a no. First they compare the physical aspects of the phone literally head to head and next is what's under the hood.
@TOPIC - sorry for going off-topic.
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Agreed about that one :highfive:, but we're *XDA geeks are we not * and all we do is flash more or less and on the way learn few things here and there :good: Anyway we're way off topic lol , excuse us guys.
You should wait and make a comparison between S4 and One.
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HTC One
cpu win
Note II
dispaly size win
3100mAh battery win
replaceable battery win
s pan win
4g win
sd card support:crying: win
note2 win