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That had obviously not been raised before, so my thread was moved.
See here
This was regarding ROMS and SD card performance. There is an obvious difference.....
Input or solutions please?
you ask a question in the wrong forum, it gets moved, so you ask it again in the wrong forum (without actually asking it)? what exactly is your plan?
Hey buddy, this isn't a General Q&A question.
How about an intelligent response?
I was bringing the difference in SD card performance between ROMS, and even recovery, up to the Android Developers.
Thanks, K-dong.
ok killerwilly, what exactly is your question now? seriously, i don't get the question.
you are too stupid to make a benchmark with sdcards, and you want to know how to do it? how is this not a general question?
from what i see in the first thread you created about this you are using cdma hero roms, so you are probably not only in the wrong subforum for the right device, but you are also in the wrong device forum.
you gotta lose the attitude, dude. don't pick up the xda lameness that floats around here.
You had to edit your response didn't you?
In future, if you don't like what someone is saying either don't respond or try to at least put your point across in another manner.
I'm not saying don't have your own back, if you think someone isn't playing nice, of course you have every right to speak up, but to start throwing insults is definitely not the right way to go about doing things around here. Noobs and Veterans alike, no-one deserves to be called names.
Thread Moved to General and Closed for Flaming.
Users, take this as a friendly warning.
When I first got it, I thought that "maybe" I wouldn't even root it, but very quickly I felt the lag. Knowing that you can do a lot of stuff with root apps like Auto Memory Manager, Titanium, Set CPU, Cache Mate, Autostarts and the good old Terminal Emulator, just to name a few, and finding out how easy it was to do so, that was an easy decision. I just read some guy's take on ROMs, and the old saying "it ain't broke" seems to fit, at least for now. I've read a whole lot of stuff, most of it confusing for a mid-knowledge guy like myself. I think I'm waiting for something similar to what the main guys like Ben, Cyan and others have put out for Eclair, that were fairly simple downloads & flashes. I checked the MoDaCo site and got totally lost, looking at all the preliminary gyrations, twists & turns and possibilities for screwing it all up. Is there anything out there yet that is "simple" in the context I mean it? I know it's early, and the phone has some inherent challenges, but ultimately it seems the floodgates will open? Anyone with similar thoughts or disagreements? Thanks...
I'm also rooted but patiently waiting for a port of cyanogen's rom. But I haven't heard any news about it yet. =(
without a recovery all noobs are lost...
with adb/ or fastboot you could push what you want to your phone... build your ROM inside the device.... but until we have a custom recovery no flashing ROMs
OP dont worry... some high-knowledged 16 year old will make a simple click method for your mid-knowledged brain... Then you can start asking different questions in the Gen section...
like... "how do I get apps2sd on my vibrant?"--- we dont need it... we got a 2gb partition on the internal memory
the lag issues are mostly due to the way the phone stores your program data. you don't need a kernel or really even any of those other apps at all. check out this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=727279
method 1 worked like a charm AND is reversible AND works with just stock rom (so long as you are rooted)
echoing comments about, a bootloader is the key to making user-friendly mods...
We seriously need a moderator in the dev section, its getting out of control with all of these dumb questions that belong in the general area. Read the forum rules for posting in the correct area people, you're cluttering the wrong section!
sombionix said:
We seriously need a moderator in the dev section, its getting out of control with all of these dumb questions that belong in the general area. Read the forum rules for posting in the correct area people, you're cluttering the wrong section!
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The rules also say to be respectful. You can tell someone they posted in the wrong place without being rude about it.
Besides, Development requires research, research requires experimentation, and experimentation often comes from or causes questions.
It's all semantics, but calling someone's question dumb is getting close to "2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior."
On topic: There is not official blanket MOD for the US version that anyone seems to be talking about, MoDaCo is for the international version only, I tried to get to work but it caused me too much headache to be doing late at night and I worked to get it back to a stockish feeling.
If you don't want to fiddle with it yourself, I suggest waiting, there are plenty of posts here even of people working on mods and/or the stepping stones.
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without a recovery all noobs are lost...
with adb/ or fastboot you could push what you want to your phone... build your ROM inside the device.... but until we have a custom recovery no flashing ROMs
OP dont worry... some high-knowledged 16 year old will make a simple click method for your mid-knowledged brain... Then you can start asking different questions in the Gen section...
like... "how do I get apps2sd on my vibrant?"--- we dont need it... we got a 2gb partition on the internal memory
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Thanks for the response. Sorry for posting in the wrong place.
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We seriously need a moderator in the dev section, its getting out of control with all of these dumb questions that belong in the general area. Read the forum rules for posting in the correct area people, you're cluttering the wrong section!
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Sorry, I thought even among the elite it might stimulate meaningful conversation. Lesson learned, I'll stay with my own kind...
With NAND seeming to be so close I wanted to start a poll as to where an HD2 NAND Development forum should be. My personal belief is that it should be under the parent "HTC Leo: HD2" forum, on it's own and not under this forum "HD2 Android Development". I think this way so that it keeps actual future "Flashed" versions seperate from the current dual-boot versions we use right now.
Thoughts?
P.s.
I'm a big boy, and expect to be flamed as I'm sort of a noob but please see this for what it is... a poll and suggestion to start a new forum in the near future.
I think there should be a forum on its own in the future AFTER NAND is developed, if not we will have a lot of bricked newbies.
So, before this thread gets deleted - let me say that this forum will most likely become the nand development forum once efforts arrive at that.
If you think about it, the dev team and testers working on that aspect of android for the hd2 most likely have a robust method of team communication already in place amongst themselves and would probably be more distracted by the forum signal to noise ratio, and really, who cares about running droid off an SD card when methods to run it from nand become/are available?
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I think there should be a forum on its own in the future AFTER NAND is developed, if not we will have a lot of bricked newbies.
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Completely agree, definitely AFTER.
There's no need to have a separate forum. This one is plenty big enough to handle all actual HD2 android development posts if all the posts that don't belong here (this poll for exemple) are posted in the general android forum.
I agree that mostly everything with become NAND in the future, but I also think it will take awhile for developers to completely move to NAND. Some people are not going to use NAND at all, they prefer dual boot. So in my opinion there will be both floating around for awhile at least.
buzz killington said:
There's no need to have a separate forum. This one is plenty big enough to handle all actual HD2 android development posts if all the posts that don't belong here (this poll for exemple) are posted in the general android forum.
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Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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That's what the forum stickies are for
Also, it seems to me that even with all of the FAQ, stickies, and what have you here at xda, there STILL seems to be an abundance of "help i kilt my phone' posts pretty much in every sub forum in fact LOL
same forum - and gl finding any chefs wanting to make sd stuff when they can cook roms to flash right onto the phones internal storage - fast, clean....
Let me put it this way, if you've been around here long enough you know that most rom chefs have that competitive spirit...that is, each individual is always looking to be the fastest, most stable, most desired rom at xda.
Bud, if a nand flash lets me cook roms that are even a fraction faster and more stable than running off sd and dual boot, guess where I'm gonna spend my valuable cooking time?
jus sayin
zkid2010 said:
That's what the forum stickies are for
Also, it seems to me that even with all of the FAQ, stickies, and what have you here at xda, there STILL seems to be an abundance of "help i kilt my phone' posts pretty much in every sub forum in fact LOL
same forum - and gl finding any chefs wanting to make sd stuff when they can cook roms to flash right onto the phones internal storage - fast, clean....
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Your definitely right about people always asking for help (No matter what) but ive heard quite a few people say that there sticking with dual boot. I guess we will have to see, im sure if NAND runs incredibly great it will change there minds.
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Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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Do you really think the developers will write a loader to write a haret version of android into flash?
motoman234 said:
Imagine this....we keep the forums of nand and dual boot together, new people hop on the forum that have NO idea what nand is and they flash it the wrong way. Then we have about a hundred of these posts a day asking why there phone wont turn on. Recipe for disaster.
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if you don't know how to work ur microwave, you probably wanna dig up the manual and read it first before you use it.
same crap different pile. people who brick their device because they don't do their own research only have themselves to blame
NAND should have its own subforum
Completely agree.
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NAND should have its own subforum
Completely agree.
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totally agreee
CrazyEye said:
NAND should have its own subforum
Completely agree.
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yes, dedicated subforum .....
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lacusxharo said:
if you don't know how to work ur microwave, you probably wanna dig up the manual and read it first before you use it.
same crap different pile. people who brick their device because they don't do their own research only have themselves to blame
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Yes, yes, I agree. But unfortunately a lot of newbs don't do there research first, which is there own fault. But I think the idea of XDA is to make it as simple as possible. Only time will tell, I just think there will be never ending questions if nand and dual boot are mixed. But who knows.
Makes sense as soon as there is a NAND version. Not before IMO
So, shoot the noob
hav0c said:
Makes sense as soon as there is a NAND version. Not before IMO
So, shoot the noob
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Well there is going to be the FIRST nand version for HD2 with in 24 hours
imho it should be best to divide the forums like this
HD2
---HD2 General
---HD2 WinMo Q&A
---HD2 Android Q&A
---HD2 ROM Windows Development
----General talk (No roms inhere)
------Themes
------Apps
------Games
---HD2 Android Development
-----General talk (No roms inhere)
---------Themes
--------- Apps
--------- Games
-----HD2 ROM Android Development
-----HD2 SD Android Dev
---Nand info
------Winmo vs. Android comparison (only facts, no bs)
this would make things so much easier in search maybe ppl. wouldn't make so much unnecessary threads
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imho it should be best to divide the forums like this
HD2
---HD2 General
---HD2 WinMo Q&A
---HD2 Android Q&A
---HD2 ROM Windows Development
----General talk (No roms inhere)
------Themes
------Apps
------Games
---HD2 Android Development
-----General talk (No roms inhere)
---------Themes
--------- Apps
--------- Games
-----HD2 ROM Android Development
-----HD2 SD Android Dev
---Nand info
------Winmo vs. Android comparison (only facts, no bs)
this would make things so much easier in search maybe ppl. wouldn't make so much unnecessary threads
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like this idea , totally agreement ... but we'll see what is coming in future
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I think there should be a forum on its own in the future AFTER NAND is developed, if not we will have a lot of bricked newbies.
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Can't agree more...
dear administrator would it be possible to have a seperate thread for nand maybee as a sub catogary in android development, so we would have seperate "NAND" and "SD" threads
More likely the SD builds would fall into a subcategory as NAND becomes the standard as it is with all the other android phones.
There will be no need for a separate forum. If you read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894143 you can clearly see how new build threads have to be named so that you can clearly see what is for what with regards SD, SD RAM or NAND builds and kernels.
still would be nice not having to filter through tho
Do a search of this forum, titles only for [NAND] or [SD].....done.
Example for NAND: http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=54393021
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dear administrator would it be possible to have a seperate thread for nand maybee as a sub catogary in android development, so we would have seperate "NAND" and "SD" threads
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Bunch of debbie downers... Whynot66 I say why not!!!??? Whats it hurt? Like organizing the threads would cause the world to end.
Have a good new year!
Sorry guys as of right now there will be no new forum with SD and Nand divided. Please use the "tagging system" provided in the How to Title your thread topic to learn an understand the topics titles and help you with the sorting of topics.
Typically I would probably close this thread but at the same time, I do think that it could also serve a purpose.
I'm going to add a poll and move this thread to HD2 Android General Discussion.
I don't think we should make another forum/sub forum for NAND builds. To be honest it's more hassel for the Devs/Cookers. Say if they want to maintain both their SD and NAND builds, get feedback from people, the burden will be heavier. Like Mdeejay, he has so much builds out already, if he makes a NAND version each one, then has to make a new thread for each one, and in a different forum, and he's gonna have to keep up with feedback for each thread.
Their is already to many subforums in the hd2 section. Most out of any other phone. Lets add an UBUNTU section too while were at it. Because that doesn't fit in any category. Vote is definitely NO
my argument is that there will be a lot of people sticking with the sd builds so they can keep winmob, there will be so many builds popping up [sd] [ram] and [nand] new posts and builds released if unpopular will soon disappear of the first few pages. and things will get confusing.
I highly doubt the rest of the cooks will even update any further builds for sd. They'll just leave them as is.
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I highly doubt the rest of the cooks will even update any further builds for sd. They'll just leave them as is.
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I hope that doesn't happen... there's still a lot of us that will still be using SD builds.
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Zara is right. I think a good majority of users will still want SD builds. One really good advantage of SD builds is the big amount of storage available, which I think many of us appreciate, well atleast us non-TMOUS HD2 users.
Either way a forum will always have unpopular threads/builds, which in our case, if unpopular, is probably a build which has a build that has not been updated in a long time or outdated.
Lets save ourselves the server space no? It's not hard to look at thread titles for SD, NAND or RAM is there?
Why not?
a NAND and SD forum wouldn't be hard and it would make those of us looking for just NAND way faster.
quit arguing just to argue unless you have a reason for NOT wanting it. not why search is so much better.
Organization is key to success
It might be organized but it's still a waste. Why can't Devs have simply one thread for both an SD and NAND build, or only one, instead of having to manage two threads? Is our stress of simply pressing a link or two and just viewing titles comparable to the stress of what Devs would have to go through?
Useless, useless idea. It will be no for me.
To much sub-forum would kill forum
Interesting that the most vocal are the naysayers but currently 76% of those voting say yes to separate forums....in the meantime my earlier post will show you how to setup a search on title for [Nand] and [SD]...you can also bookmark these searches so you would be able to pull up only nand posts or only sd posts already.
I don't see the point or reason to add another sub-forum to the already large list of sub-forums for the hd2, it might end up being convenient to some of us that don't want to have to read thru the titles of [NAND]/[SD]/[SD-RAM], but what is also going to create is more work for the devs that will have to monitor multiple threads and more threads for the mods to follow up on. I think the new label system is a great idea and I'm sure it will do the job of showing people what to look for, and like famewolf said it about how to search and bookmark threads, maybe he should make a thread showing people how to use the new labeling system when doing a search.
Count me in on it. I think it will be productive for those of us who wish to stick with SD. Already some devs are switching over to NAND and abandoning SD. Separating forums I believe would resolve this.
how will it create more work? its the same amount of threads either way just actually organized instead of the mess it is right now and the bigger one its going to become. besides a nand section there should also be a ram section as far as im concerned. and if its the devs that dont want to "create more work" for themselves then they should probably not release multiple builds. im all for as many builds as we can get of course but id sacrifice quantity for quality... wouldn't everybody? not to mention the same build made 3 different ways is nice and all but it seems kind of redundant. why not just make the best one of all 3 versions especially if you dont want to play tech support for them?
yeah ok we can get a headache and strain our eyes on the ever growing extra long string of capitol letters designating what something is in brackets or of course go a few more steps and search but having another sub forum is not exactly taxing work. if a mod or admin cant handle it then what are they possibly gonna do when a *gasp* new phone comes out or a different os becomes available to the hd2?!? this is a forum. forums are organized. i also run my own. i cant think of any reason why i wouldnt let users make a sub forum if it was called for. having 3 separate ways to install something all mixed up together is annoying. i cant even see how another sub would even get in the way of the people who dont want it. youd think people would vote to make it easier to find what they are looking for rather then continue the endless stream of usually snide "use the search" posts. i mean...im obviously gonna continue to use the forum but its either gonna be better or the same as it is. we dont even have a app section for android. not sure what makes us think we could get this too. on the other hand not sure why theres such resistance to it in the first place...
Hello,
I've been trying different ROMs for months now and the only one that really fits me is "prj Clean Desire v0.3.2".. but it hasn't been updated and there are really some stuff that just stops it from being perfect (like News widget not searching etc).
Anyway, I'm really looking for a stock Desire(HD) rom that fits in EU HD2 NAND with a little room to spare for apps (+/-50MB?). I don't feel like having to use all sorts of tricks to boot Linux from USB and format my card with all sorts of partitions when I only need a little space for some basic apps and thats it.
I don't care if its deoxed or squashed or whatever those things mean, I only want:
1. Percentage battery icon
2. Easy way to choose the GPS location.
3. DFT install / CWM - doesn't really matter (although DFT is even easier..)
Does a rom like that exist (except prj's) and have I been blind all this time? If not (and you'll be so kind and refer me.. , will anyone be able to make such a rom?? I'll be glad to donate some of my precious hard earned money
Thanks!!
Stock Desire HD RUU is about 420mb
so NO WAY it can fit in a 512mb LEO without removing a lot of stuffand, also if removed, you can have no more than 80-100mb free in the best case and with all unnecessary apps and stuff removed
So your request is almost impossible.Only way is to sqyash it, but for me is not a great way to proceed (but this is just me feeling)
what's bad about sqyashing stuff? and 80-100 mb is more than enough.. how many apps do I need install? 5? 10?? should be enough..
second that!
I want desire hd rom like MDJ's SuperLight ROM, but a lil bit updated!
Please do not post your requests/questions or other general chat in here, this is for posting DEVELOPMENTS ONLY!!!
TheATHEiST said:
Please do not post your requests/questions or other general chat in here, this is for posting DEVELOPMENTS ONLY!!!
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where should I post this then for the developers to see???
chovav said:
where should I post this then for the developers to see???
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Whether or not the devs see it is besides the point. This is for posting builds/roms etc.
We have a Q&A and General forum, next time you should post something in there, if they see it, they see it, if they don't, they don't.
Can you imaging what kind of ****hole the dev section would turn into if everybody was allowed to post any old topic in here? We need it to be clean and organised.
cheers for putting it in the right place then!