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Hi all
In the proccess of unlocking my phone and wondering if any one has got a 3 sim to work?? (as 3 contracts are better value)
and is it easy to do if poss.
Nice one
Jo
Try this for a start:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3961&highlight=dual+sim
I have two SIMs working, without the need to keep popping them in and out of the SIM holder - all I do is turn the phone off and then on to get the other SIM (Flight Mode).
I do not know if 3 is possible, the case is very tight! Swapping them manually should work, but you will get bored of removing the back panel and battery every time.
Ian
Hey IanF
I think J0bo means a sim by the company known as 3 (lol)
Will it work in an unlocked XDA.
Don't see why not?
Sorry i cant confirm this.
If it does work, i doubt wether the Video facility will work, but the regular mobile calls should work, unless the sims are of a completely diferent design & therefore are not compattible with the regular sim holders.
Good luck mate
E
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but 3 is a 3G provider and as far as I'm aware they do not do GSM/GPRS. Therefore the XDAII with out a major change of circuitry will never work on the 3 network.
I'd love to correct you if you were wrong, but unfotunately, i don't know what i am talking about. lol
Regards
E
of cause you cant use UTMS on a gsm phone
i do know that 3g phones can send on gsm aswell when they are in places where the UTMS network is not supported but if they use normal sized and functioned sims which would work as gsm when placed in a gsm phone i dont know but i kinda doubt it
yes cause you can use 3g sim they work in 3310s for god sake lol and the pen phone
they use o2 for 2g and their own network for 3g you wont be able to use 3g capabilites but 2g will work fine
they dont work in some types of phone for some reason though but i think i remember seeing xda2 in the does work list
gaz
First of all, I would like to recommend a good psychiatrist...for going on the 3 network.
I was on 3G for 2 weeks. I only had reception for one of those weeks!
Wait a few years until there are some more 3G masts(above schools and churches!)
Also I tried a 3G sim in a 6310i but it didnt work.
i would asume that when ever the utms network dident have connection it would just roam over gsm using the network from other companies
i've seen those 3 commercials with video phoning
and i've seen the video phoning irl
there is a world of difference
irl the video is 100% not sync with audio
and the video look like an old Chaplin movie because of those
low fps
looks like it's soo bad the p0rn industry will not ever begin to use it before they make it faster
but it read an article where they tried a CF utms card in a pocketpc
that really did wonders for the internet speed compared to grps
when i tried my 3g sim i managed to get a signal with it but it was same as putting it in an ol nokia... the text messaging doesnt work.
when i tried my 3g sim i managed to get a signal with it but it was same as putting it in an ol nokia... the text messaging doesnt work.
Ghost Sim
I really like the look of the ghost sim but am confused.
Can you toggle between thc two sims just by selecting "flight mode"? If so, could the RADIO app posted on this forum be assigned to a button to do the same thing?
Presumably some of you clever chaps could write an app to do this (with a different wallpaper for the two sims).
Thanks
Dave
Doh!!
Should have realised this was talking about '3' !! Sorry.
Quantum - Yep - I am using that app actually, its very neat!
Ian
Hi Folks
Does anyone have a soft copy of the handbook for the Universal they could post or mail me? Love to have a read.
Also, for the 3G calling, does it use a sim or usim?
cheer
Brett
mavrik64 said:
Hi Folks
Does anyone have a soft copy of the handbook for the Universal they could post or mail me? Love to have a read.
Also, for the 3G calling, does it use a sim or usim?
cheer
Brett
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3G traffic (be it data or video) always require a USIM. If you don't have any, you cannot get onto the 3G network. I'm actually having this issue, as I travel to the UK a lot, where T-mobile has a live 3G network. As I do not have a USIM (since T-Mobile NL doesn't offer 3G yet), I cannot roam onto their 3G network, only onto GPRS...
Bugger...
My operator (Telenor in Norway) enables the customers to use their OLD SIM cards and still have full 3G access!
My SIM card is from 2004, but customers may use cards that go back to July 2000 on the 3G network..
There has been some Over The Air updates, but these might be for something else..
The user only gets a SMS saying: "You SIM card has been updated, please reboot your phone."
So we can use the same SIM on a new and old phone, 3G or no 3G...
http://www.manuals.t-mobile.co.uk/start.asp?manual=1217
Not 100% what you're after, but hope that helps.
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3G traffic (be it data or video) always require a USIM. If you don't have any, you cannot get onto the 3G network. I'm actually having this issue, as I travel to the UK a lot, where T-mobile has a live 3G network. As I do not have a USIM (since T-Mobile NL doesn't offer 3G yet), I cannot roam onto their 3G network, only onto GPRS...
Bugger...
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Well, I'm using a 4-year-old T-Mobile SIM in my JasJar, and I'm getting 3G access with absolutely no problems...
I didn't think there was such a thing as a USIM exactly? I got the impression that a "USIM" was just a normal 3v SIM card which has been enabled for use on the UMTS network. And that's done by pressing a button at T-Mobile 'Command Centre'...
'3' here in the UK make a big deal about USIM cards, and how you have to have one to use a 3G phone, but that only seems to apply to their handsets, because they put about 800 billion security locks on each of them. In my experience, Vodafone and T-Mobile don't require you to upgrade the actual SIM card at all, and I assume that Orange and O2 are the same.
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Well, I'm using a 4-year-old T-Mobile SIM in my JasJar, and I'm getting 3G access with absolutely no problems...
I didn't think there was such a thing as a USIM exactly? I got the impression that a "USIM" was just a normal 3v SIM card which has been enabled for use on the UMTS network. And that's done by pressing a button at T-Mobile 'Command Centre'...
'3' here in the UK make a big deal about USIM cards, and how you have to have one to use a 3G phone, but that only seems to apply to their handsets, because they put about 800 billion security locks on each of them. In my experience, Vodafone and T-Mobile don't require you to upgrade the actual SIM card at all, and I assume that Orange and O2 are the same.
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Hmmm, you learn something new every day... It could be that one can indeed update the SIM to a USIM with a OTA update, I just hadn't heard about that before. I might put in a phonecall to T-Mobile...
Thanks for the heads-up!
I'd better just point out that my last post was entirely guesswork on my part, based on the fact that my old T-Mobile SIM, and my sister's (3-year?)old Vodafone SIM both work perfectly in 3G devices.
In my case, I never even told T-Mobile that I'd bought a 3G phone, the SIM just worked on 3G from the second I put it in, so no OTA upgrade needed? (Of course, maybe they gave us UK customer's an upgrade one night without telling us?!)
My sister got an official Vodafone upgrade to a 3G phone, so they may have done an OTA thingy at the time, but the actual physical card is the same...
Hi all,
Congrats for the nice forum. I got my MDA compact sim free recently which I used with my Vodafone UK sim card and it worked fine. However I have signed a new contract on 3G UK in Phones4you where I was convinced by the dealer that the sim card can be used to another sim free phone apart from the 3G Nokia 6680 I have taken. It seems that this was not true because when I insert the sim card in the MDA it says "Ivalid Sim Card" and I can't use it now. Do you know any way I could manage my problem? Any advice is appreciated. Thank you very much.
I'm interested in this too. I have considered switching to the 3 network but that fact that you have to use their phones has thus far put me off.
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I'm interested in this too. I have considered switching to the 3 network but that fact that you have to use their phones has thus far put me off.
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Yes, they have good price plans, but I am really disappointed cause I can't use my MDA. Their sim cards seem to be locked and unfortunately I have no idea whether there is any way to make it suitable to non-3G phones.
The dealer lied.
3 will not allow non 3G phones because it involve cost to them. Three roam to O2's GSM (2G and 2.5G) when you are out of range of the 3 network and that costs them money. If you have a 2.5G phone like the Magician then it will be permanently roamed to O2 and they would make no money from you becasue they would be billed by O2 for your calls.
Don't forget you get a "cooling off" period on these contracts. Might be worth using it.
MDA Compact is not a UMTS phone! :roll: I think it couldn't operate in 3G networks! Correct me if I'm wrong.
GAINER said:
MDA Compact is not a UMTS phone! :roll: I think it couldn't operate in 3G networks! Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I believe this is true
I tried Orange 3G sim card and it worked just fine on my MDA compact.. :?
Was able to make phonecalls and access the internet without any prob.
RT-PRO said:
I tried Orange 3G sim card and it worked just fine on my MDA compact.. :?
Was able to make phonecalls and access the internet without any prob.
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Are you sure?! This is very strange! Are you talking about Orange in Israel?! :shock:
Thank you all for the replys, it seems that unfortunately in UK it would be impossible to use 3G card on the MDA. As the 6680 has nothing in common with the MDA I hope my bills to compensate the inconvenience :mrgreen:
3G
Using a non umts phone like the magician to connect to a umts network seems to me a very strange and bad idea.
Wait until next year (not so long) and buy the HTC Hermes or the XDA version : it's a S110 with the features of a QTEK 9100 and umts and wifi and ....
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RT-PRO said:
I tried Orange 3G sim card and it worked just fine on my MDA compact.. :?
Was able to make phonecalls and access the internet without any prob.
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Are you sure?! This is very strange! Are you talking about Orange in Israel?! :shock:
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Yeah, an Israeli Orange sim card works OK on my Magician.
of course I couldn't use any 3G services... :roll:
3 is a UMTS-only network. All 3G phones in the UK are dual-mode GSM/UMTS phones.
Because the 3 network does not cover enough of the UK it has an arrangement with O2 so that 3 phones will 'roam' to O2 when out of 3 coverage. When they do this they use O2's GSM network. So, a GSM phone with a 3 USim would be permanently roamed to O2 as I said earlier.
An Orange USim will work in an Orange GSM phone. Orange (in the UK) have a GSM Network and are rolling out a UMTS network. When an Orange phone is out of reach of the Orange UMTS network, it simply uses the Orange GSM network instead. Now if you put a usim into an Orange GSM phone, it simply accesses the Orange GSM network and can't see the UMTS one. Oh and it will be able to use the 2.5G GPRS system as well.
A bit wordy but I think it's clear.
also remember folks thats "3" use a 5volt sim card unlike every other uk network that still use the old 3volt cards.
Hi, I have a unlocked Wizard & my T-Mobile contract has just expired, I was just wondering if a 3G sim (3) would work in it as there are some cheap deals on that network? I wouldn't use it for video calls so thats not a problem.
im 99% sure they DONT! however maybe someone there can prove me wrong
I'm using a Cingular 3G SIM in my 8125 with no problems at all.
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I'm using a Cingular 3G SIM in my 8125 with no problems at all.
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a cingular 3G sim and a "3" UK usim are not the same, one runs at 3 volts (sim) and the other at 5 Volts (usim)
Aha! More than I knew! I knew it! Thanks for correcting me..
i was having problems going on line when i first got my wizard, tried everthing even customer suport couldnt figure it out. well i finaly went to store to exchange my unit and one of the reps asked to look at the sim. sure enough thats what it was i didnt have a 3g sim. all is welll now
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i was having problems going on line when i first got my wizard, tried everthing even customer suport couldnt figure it out. well i finaly went to store to exchange my unit and one of the reps asked to look at the sim. sure enough thats what it was i didnt have a 3g sim. all is welll now
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what our american brothers call a "3g" sim and what the network provider called "3" use are slightly different things.... a american 3g sim is simply a normal 128k provisioned with extra services I.e. data and video calling (this is the same way all the gsm uk networks work too) however with "3" being the first 3g only network in the world they choosed to use the next generation of sim card called a usim which don't work in lots of non 3g phones including the wizard. try googling the word "usim" to see wot I mean
Under 3's terms and conditions you are not allowed to use their sim in a 2.5g phone. If you do use one and it works, they will eventually block it and send you a new sim with a gentle reminder that you are in breach of Ts and Cs.
Cheers Chaps, 3 it isn't then!
My O2 UK 3G UMTS sim works perfectly in my Wizard.You just can`t really get the benefits from it (Faster GPRS/EDGE etc....).
I am in the UK and on O2 and no matter where I seem to go I cannot pick up a 3G signal...Edge is the best I get.
Is anyone else with O2 and has managed to pick up a 3G signal?
yes get a H in lots of places anoying thing is at work i keep swapping between full nomal G and 1 bar of H
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I am in the UK and on O2 and no matter where I seem to go I cannot pick up a 3G signal...Edge is the best I get.
Is anyone else with O2 and has managed to pick up a 3G signal?
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I don't think I've seen my O2 HD2 drop away from a 3G signal yet! Its sat on 3G/HSDPA since I got it.
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I don't think I've seen my O2 HD2 drop away from a 3G signal yet! Its sat on 3G/HSDPA since I got it.
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Its alright for some!
Just took a quick look at mine and once again its Edge....I had heard O2 was pretty poor for 3G signals; I take it I shouldn't need to configure anything on the phone - if a 3G signal is there it should just pick it up?
I didnt even know that there was anything else apart from GSM until i moved out of the valley when i was a teenager to go uni. You might just be unlucky and in an area with no 3G coverage.
how old is the sim card? i couldnt get anything other than gprs/edge but that was due to my sim card not being 3g
I had the same issue. I requested a new 3g sim from o2 as I had my existing sim for at about 9 years, noticed that the gold contacts on the new sim were configured differently. Upon using the new sim have always received HSDPA signal. I suggest you request for a new 3g sim .
cees1969 said:
I had the same issue. I requested a new 3g sim from o2 as I had my existing sim for at about 9 years, noticed that the gold contacts on the new sim were configured differently. Upon using the new sim have always received HSDPA signal. I suggest you request for a new 3g sim .
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I had the same problem, old sim card. just nip into an O2 shop and pick one up. I called up to activate mine and it was working within 10 minutes
i generally get H unless im at work in which case i get crap signal and slow net lol and thats the time i want to play on phone haha
Chees guys....yes the sim card is pretty old.
I'll give it a whirl and see how I get on.
Ta!
It will be due to the SIM card, I called O2, asked for a 3G sim, and i got one the next day!
I switched from the touch pro to the HD2 and stopped getting 3g or hsdpa. I installed a cab from the touch x thread in the themes forum. That put a switch in comm manager to turn 3g back on.
andydprice said:
I am in the UK and on O2 and no matter where I seem to go I cannot pick up a 3G signal...Edge is the best I get.
Is anyone else with O2 and has managed to pick up a 3G signal?
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Yep Andy, it's your sim, I was paying O2 for 3G for 3 years and only getting Edge until a sales rep at a Vodafone shop noticed and told me to ask O2 for a new sim.
Result!! HSDPA at my home address.
Good Luck.
Hmm, think I may need a new sim too then. I assumed i was in a dodgy reception area, and have never seen a 3g signal. Is there a specific phone number/email address for this? Will they just send a new sim out if you just ask for a new one?
Good advice, let us know whether the new Sim does the trick.
I have a new (year old) o2 sim and can get on 3g/HSDPA in covered areas normally but I find the connection less than consistent in places that aren't 'fully' covered.
In my Hermes or in my o2's mobile bb dongle I can get a constant 3g connection with no dropouts, whereas my HD2 has trouble keeping that kind of consistency, going from full 'G' to 1-2 bar 3g (or more).
I flashed with a new radio which seems to have helped somewhat, but at my gf's place where there is currently no hard-wired broadband and 3g is needed, I end up connecting to WMWiFiRouter on her Hermes as a constant 3g connection is guaranteed. Mine will drop to 'G' seemingly at random and can take some time to find 3g again.
I'm going to flash with various other radios when I get some time this week and will post the results in this thread too, as everyone here will likely be o2 users possibly in the same boat.
Using HTC 1.66 Rom, radio 2.09.51.03_2.
1pudding1 said:
Hmm, think I may need a new sim too then. I assumed i was in a dodgy reception area, and have never seen a 3g signal. Is there a specific phone number/email address for this? Will they just send a new sim out if you just ask for a new one?
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I would think calling 202 from your phone would do the trick, just go through the menus... if you get someone who doesn't know what you're going on about, just ask to speak to a manager / better department.
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Hmm, think I may need a new sim too then. I assumed i was in a dodgy reception area, and have never seen a 3g signal. Is there a specific phone number/email address for this? Will they just send a new sim out if you just ask for a new one?
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They just sent me a new one, no apology, no offer of a refund for years of 2.5G.
I guess it's convenient (for O2) if people just carry on thinking that they have no 3G signal, after all, bandwidth is money
Yeah just spoke to them from 202 and theyve sent a new one out. Thankfully this HD2 is the 1st smartphone Ive had, from last Dec, so Ive not lost out for too long without 3g, thanks to xda.
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They just sent me a new one, no apology, no offer of a refund for years of 2.5G.
I guess it's convenient (for O2) if people just carry on thinking that they have no 3G signal, after all, bandwidth is money
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why would they send an apology?
Richy99 said:
why would they send an apology?
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For not advising me that I needed a new sim when I got a new 3G contract but charging me for 3G?
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