Hello everyone, Ive been a long time reader of xda, have an htc advantage, htc touch dual, and an htc wing. I have flashed more roms to my advantage than i could ever remember, sadly I forgot my old username so here I am with a new one
Lately I have only been using my advantage as a bedside alarm clock, and I want to try Android. I prefer the body lines of the hero, but I would like the future option of using 3g. I am in Alaska and using tmobile. I would like to switch to ATT at some point in the future, and currently there is NO 3g service where i am in alaska with either providers. From what I can tell, the Rogers version of the magic is hands down the one to get if you want to run the hero rom. Ive read many posts that say it lags with the 192mb versions. I also want to get as full of a google experience as possible...OTA updates, Access to the Android Marketplace, google maps etc. Can anyone confirm that if I purchased an unlocked rogers magic off ebay, would I be able to get OTA updates over an edge connection in the USA? I do believe that the rogers magic should have the bands to work with ATT 3g right? As I said, there is no 3g service here, but when i switch to ATT later, and travel I would like to utilize the 3g. Just looking for some insight on what will more than likely be my next phone. Planning on purchasing tonight if we can come up with some answers!
The Rogers Magic will run on AT&T but not on T-MO.
You get access to the Market but not paid apps, you'll have to root to get full access.
You wont get OTA updates from Rogers, I'm a customer and they told me no go on OS updates. Have to contact HTC for that, but if your rooted does it matter?
Flash the latest/greatest ROM.
Clinton
ok well The Rogers has the 288MB you want:
and it also works on tmobile edge but on 3G however it works on att edge/3G. so if your thinking of swicthing over to att than this is the phone for you.
Ok, so if I root the phone, then I would have complete access to the android market? If purchasing an unlocked Rogers Magic, do i need to worry about getting one of the "perfect spl"s that isnt rootable yet, or is that only an issue for other versions?
Yep you'll have full access if you install "Market Enabler" after you root. I have not heard of any Rogers Magic haveing the "perfect SPL" I think so far it's only for the MyTouch and Hero.
Clinton
ClintonH is correct all available Roger Magics in the market are rootable.
Awesome, thanks for the great information. Looks like I will be purchasing one from ebay this weekend, unless you guys can recommend any reputable online shops to order from. I'll be just using the edge connection on it for a little while until i figure out how im going to get outta my tmobile contract...I currently have two active numbers under my contract with tmobile Not in much of a hurry though as i'll only be able to utilize the 3g when im travelling.
I actually have one fs on Ebay right now. Check out dgravo27 . It is the Rogers version.
Looks like yours isnt for sale anymore Dgravo, I just bought it! Too many other ones listed with 288 mb ram, however, they have the vodaphone logo and I dont think half the sellers even know whats inside their phones.
My wife has had her G1 for less than a week, and i really love the phone.
Now, the only thing i noticed, is that i do not use the keyboard that much, or rather, that i prefer a screen keyboard.
I know i do not need to use the keyboard on the G1, but i think the myTouch is thinner without keyboard.
So, i was wondering,
1) is the myTouch 3G basically a G1 without keyboard? is it thinner than the G1?
2) what model is the one to be soft-rooted (i don't want to do test points, or similar complications).
3) 3G is quadband, meaning, it would work on AT&T?
4) Would most Firmwares work on it?
Thanks!
kwanbis said:
My wife has had her G1 for less than a week, and i really love the phone.
Now, the only thing i noticed, is that i do not use the keyboard that much, or rather, that i prefer a screen keyboard.
I know i do not need to use the keyboard on the G1, but i think the myTouch is thinner without keyboard.
So, i was wondering,
1) is the myTouch 3G basically a G1 without keyboard? is it thinner than the G1?
2) what model is the one to be soft-rooted (i don't want to do test points, or similar complications).
3) 3G is quadband, meaning, it would work on AT&T?
4) Would most Firmwares work on it?
Thanks!
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1) The Mytouch 3G has better battery life and more ROM memory, the Mytouch is thinner than the G1.
2) 32B Mytouch 3G (the one without the headphone jack, although I'm not sure what you mean by soft-rooted. If you mean easier to root, then get the 32B Mytouch.
3) Yes, but you would only get EDGE service, and you would have to unlock it.
4)1.5 and up work, I'm not sure how 2.1 ROMs are on the 32B.
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2) 32B Mytouch 3G (the one without the headphone jack, although I'm not sure what you mean by soft-rooted. If you mean easier to root, then get the 32B Mytouch.
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I mean that i want to do the "root" myself, and i do not want to have to solder anything. So, all the myTouchs can be rooted? How difficult are the others?
Checking the AndroidSPIN DB, it looks like the 32B is the one with most of the ROMs, and the 32A (Fender?) has just a few ROMs, and no 2.x ones, making the 32B the one to get. I'm right? Any explanation why? How can i make sure i get the 32B's?
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3) Yes, but you would only get EDGE service, and you would have to unlock it.
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Why? If it is quadband, shouldn't it work on AT&T? (Actually on Claro in Argentina) For example, the Roger/AT&T Nexus One, works 3G in Argentina.
get a rogers magic (32a) better than mytouch as it has more ram
also there are tons of roms for 32a ... pretty much all 32b/g1/mytouch roms are available with kernel port
Good to know. But if i do not want a keyboard?
the rogers magic does not have a keyboard.. it looks identical to the mytouch..
EDIT: i should call it the HTC Magic 32a as there are other carriers than rogers who carry it, i just happen to be on rogers..
also both the mytouch and magic are fairly easy to root, relatively similar in difficulty ...
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I mean that i want to do the "root" myself, and i do not want to have to solder anything. So, all the myTouchs can be rooted? How difficult are the others?
Checking the AndroidSPIN DB, it looks like the 32B is the one with most of the ROMs, and the 32A (Fender?) has just a few ROMs, and no 2.x ones, making the 32B the one to get. I'm right? Any explanation why? How can i make sure i get the 32B's?
Why? If it is quadband, shouldn't it work on AT&T? (Actually on Claro in Argentina) For example, the Roger/AT&T Nexus One, works 3G in Argentina.
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The Roger's HTC Magic uses the same 3G bands as AT&T US phones, so it would work for 3G service. The 32B Mytouch, does not, it uses different 3G bands.
Lets try yo sumarize.
I want: Android phone. ROOTEABLE WITHOUT HARDWARE MODIFICATION.
Nice to have: AT&T compatible 3G.
CANDIDATES
Dream/G1: KEYBOARD.
T-Mobile version is NOT compatible with AT&T 3G.
Rogers version IS compatible with AT&T 3G.
ALL VERSIONS ROOTEABLE WITHOUT HARDWARE MOD. ?????
myTouch: NO keyboard.
T-Mobile version is NOT compatible with AT&T 3G.
Rogers version IS compatible with AT&T 3G.
32A & 32B ROOTEABLE WITHOUT HW MOD. ?????. 32A VERY FEW ROMS. ?????
Magic 32a: NO keyboard.
Rogers version IS compatible with AT&T 3G.
32A ROOTEABLE WITHOUT HW MOD. ?????
I'm correct about them? Any other suggestions?
32A ROOTEABLE WITHOUT HW MOD. ?????
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yes it is rootable without hw mod, i dont know any phone that requires hardware mod to root
32A VERY FEW ROMS. ?????
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and the 32A has TONS AND TONS OF roms just look in the dev section of this forum... even the newer mytouch 1.2 (32a w/ headphone jack) has roms now...
So all 3 (Dream, myTouch, Magic), on all versions (32A or 32B) are rooteable with more or less simple sw mods?
When i searched the androidspin db, the 32A myTouch had only 4 ROMs listed, while the 32B myTouch had 10 times more. Or what i'm missing?
So, with AT&T compatible 3G, myTouch and Magic would fill my requirements?
EDIT: on ebay the MAGIC & MYTOUCH are listed together as the same phone. What i'm missing?
first off not all roms are on android spin, just look in this forum, right here, right where you are, no where else, its all here.. ill even link to it (Look at all the threads that have 32A in front of them, all roms)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=493
the mytouch is basically a google branded magic with different guts than a non-google branded magic. they look IDENTICAL and you can not tell them apart other than the "google" on the back of the phone, or by going into fastboot..
when buying on ebay ask the purchaser if it is a 32A device or a 32B device.. or just get a "Rogers Magic" and you are guaranteed its a 32A device.. which i would highly recommend as it has twice the ram as the mytouch (32B) devices...the MyTouch 1.2 , which is a modified 32A, also has roms available, however not as many (yet), you can see those in the forum above listed as (MT3G 1.2, LE, Fender), all roms listed as (32A) are for the original 32A and NOT the MyTouch 1.2 32A
and yes. all 3, well 4 including the MyTouch 1.2, devices can be rooted by softmod,
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the mytouch is basically a google branded magic with different guts than a non-google branded magic. they look IDENTICAL and you can not tell them apart other than the "google" on the back of the phone, or by going into fastboot... the MyTouch 1.2 , which is a modified 32A, also has roms available, however not as many (yet), you can see those in the forum above listed as (MT3G 1.2, LE, Fender), all roms listed as (32A) are for the original 32A and NOT the MyTouch 1.2 32A.
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Great explanation.
So basically, all Rogers phones have UMTS 850/1900, correct, and the one i should get is the Magic Rogers, or any Magic 32A with UMTS 850/1900.
*** HTC Dream ***
T-Mobile G1 = UMTS 1700/2100 MHz
Dream Rogers = UMTS 850/1900 MHZ
*** HTC Magic ***
32A (288MB RAM): Rogers --- T-Mobile myTouch 3G v1.2
32B (192MB RAM): T-Mobile myTouch 3G --- Vodafone Magic --- Google Ion
Rogers UMTS 850/1900 --- T-Mobile UMTS 1700/2100
Digital, PLEASE take time to research what you are telling this man. He almost went a spent 300 - 400 dollars on a new phone just to find out he wouldn't be able to root it. That's pretty messed up, man.
Rogers take JTAG to root. After the 911 update, there is no root. Only with hardware modification.
So if you buy a rogers now, no you will NOT be able to root without a hardware modification.
By a T-Mobile myTouch. MUSH easier to root. 32a might have better specs, but you're going to be stuck stock.
You CAN go with a fender which is 32a, but you won't have much ROMs as digital pointed out.
Edit: If you want links for proof here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631899
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=658598
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625732&page=14
And the latest:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=558301&page=16
Crap. So, if I understand, we have:
1) Magic Rogers - 32A - 288MB RAM - JTAG to Root - Many ROMs.
2) T-Mobile myTouch 3G ORIGINAL - 32B - 192MB RAM - SW Root - Many ROMs.
3) T-Mobile myTouch 3G v1.2 NEW - 32A - 288MB RAM - SW Root - FEW ROMS - Also called FENDER or LE.
The one WITH the 3.5mm headset jack is the NEW myTouch from T-Mobile?
What about the HTC Dream from Rogers? Any recommendations on that?
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Crap. So, if I understand, we have:
1) Magic Rogers - 32A - 288MB RAM - JTAG to Root - Many ROMs.
2) T-Mobile myTouch 3G ORIGINAL - 32B - 192MB RAM - SW Root - Many ROMs.
3) T-Mobile myTouch 3G v1.2 NEW - 32A - 288MB RAM - SW Root - FEW ROMS - Also called FENDER or LE.
The one WITH the 3.5mm headset jack is the NEW myTouch from T-Mobile?
What about the HTC Dream from Rogers? Any recommendations on that?
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Both Rogers are unrootable as of now. ONLY with JTAG. If you want a Magic, I highly suggest finding a Google ION, if you can't, a plain 'ol myTouch 3g 32b.
Yes, your chart is right.
Edit: RAM isn't THAT noticeable. I'm running newest cyanogen with NO swap and my phone flies. Thats just my opinion, though. Not really a "fact."
Great. Thanks.
Isn't it the Google ION the same as the HTC Magic from T-Mobile? Or is a Magic from Rogers?
So, one last question. I don't have a T-Mobile/Rogers card, and with the G1, i had to do some tricks to activate without 3G (connect to the PC and do some ADB tricks i found here).
Would i be able to activate in Argentina with another SIM somehow?
EDIT: just to make sure, the myTouch WITH the 3.5mm headset jack is the NEW myTouch from T-Mobile, the one that has FEW ROMs yet, right?
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Great. Thanks.
Isn't it the Google ION the same as the HTC Magic from T-Mobile? Or is a Magic from Rogers?
So, one last question. I don't have a T-Mobile/Rogers card, and with the G1, i had to do some tricks to activate without 3G (connect to the PC and do some ADB tricks i found here).
Would i be able to activate in Argentina with another SIM somehow?
EDIT: just to make sure, the myTouch WITH the 3.5mm headset jack is the NEW myTouch from T-Mobile, the one that has FEW ROMs yet, right?
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Google ION is just HTC with NO T-Mobile bs on it. But, yes, it's pretty much the same.
I really don't know about activation, man. I live in the U.S. Couldn't help you, sorry.
Yes, your edit is right on par.
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Google ION is just HTC with NO T-Mobile bs on it. But, yes, it's pretty much the same.
I really don't know about activation, man. I live in the U.S. Couldn't help you, sorry.
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Do you know if the ION will require activation?
What do you mean "require activation?" EVERY phone has to be activated. It doesn't just come with service.
Meaning no need to activate because is a developer phone, or that you can bypass it, like you do with moded ROMs.
This seems to do it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588293&highlight=activate
So I'm looking for a second Android phone to use as a backup to my Captivate. I found a bunch of MT3G's on craigslist, and wanted to find a couple things out before pulling the trigger on any of them. First off, if I was to get one that was still locked to T-Mo, I'm aware I'd have to either have the person I'm buying it from get me an unlock code, or get one from an unlocking service. Between the time I buy it and the time I get it unlocked, will I be able to use it or will the phone be locked out until there is a SIM in it? I was planning to just use it over Wifi but to get it unlocked so I could use it for backup if I ever needed to. Also, other than the headphone jack and the available RAM, are there any pluses/minuses to the 32A/32B revisions? I've found a ton of 32B's and realize they are the earlier ones, but don't know if there is a difference between development for one or the other. Thanks!
If you want a mytouch 3g on at&t, you would probably want to get the Canadian HTC magic, which supports 3g on at&t. Those can be found on eBay pretty regularly. I got mine though there.
Sent from my HTC Magic using XDA App
I'm not too concerned with getting 3g on it, just compatibility as I've read a few posts here and other places about problems with rooting and/or unlocking.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897
Well, the 32a is the vodafone version (from europe I believe) or something like that, and the 32b is the tmobile one.
Since I own the one with the headphone jack, I just thought I'd chime in and let you know that its considered the 1.2, and not a 32a or 32b. Its a hybrid of the 2 devices, but there is enough different about them that makes the 1.2 kind of a pain in the ass if you want to put anything other then cyanogenmod on it.
Currently using TP2/Tilt 2 and just got an itch to try an on-screen keyboard with a larger screen so I bought a Telstra branded HD2 T9193. Been on the TP2 board for a while.
Anticipating its arrival I will begin perusing the threads here to find the most efficient ways to make it work as desired on the ATT network here in So. Fla. I have already subscribed to a few threads but if anyone has specific suggestions feel welcome to post them or PM me.
Ultimately, I'll run the Android 2.2 side by side on the WinMo.
David
as far as roms, radios, tweaks, apps, reg edits etc etc, anything that applies to regular hd2 applies to telstra, with the exception of HSPL. You can't use hspl2, only hspl1 (probably requires finding an old telstra rom and flashing from sd card) or hspl3.
So, don't worry about the tmous talk about the wrong radio killing your phone, it doesn't apply to you.
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....So, don't worry about the tmous talk about the wrong radio killing your phone, it doesn't apply to you.
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LOL. Good to know. I have faith in myself but I am just as able to screw something up as anyone else!
I´ll really love to have one of those (i have T-Mobile´s version), my provider runs his 3G network on the 850, so T-Mo is no good for that, and if i buy one from Telstra the price goes up to 200% of what i have paid for mine ($460-ish US dollars), good luck with your phone.
SLDS.
OK I have done some searching around on this topic and I'm finding a lot of mixed information. I'm currently on the Rogers network here in Canada and I managed to get my hands on an HD2 for next to nothing. So I jumped on the chance to have a "boot whatever the heck you want phone". However, while initially researching the phone I only quickly looked over the supported frequencies for the phone to ensure that I could use in on Rogers. Of course it will work as a phone just fine, however, it will not support 3g....apparently.
Started searching about for a way to change the phones frequency and some are saying it is possible to flash another radio for say the European version and some are saying that's not possible. I'm inclined to think it is not possible and that it is a hardware limitation. I figure that this is the best place to look for some real answers. Anyone have some insight into this matter? Oh and if it is a hardware issue and it can be changed....I'm not afraid to take the whole phone apart to try it. Ive done my share of tear downs on other phones....just for the heck of it.
Thanks in advance
only the telstra model will give you 3g on rogers.
hardware, and not changeable
yes you can change the radio (if youhave a tmous ((t mobile us)) then you need to be REAL careful which radio you flash) but changing radio has no effect on the bands.
this forum is for the regular hd2, the tmous (if that's what you have) can be found here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=631
If you have the T-Mobile US version then you can use it on Wind Mobile here in Canada. This is what I'm doing and everything works great, including the 3g. I've loaded Android on it and I absolutely love my HD2!
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
I actually bought a Telstra (Montreal Fido user) because we don't have Wind here... Telstra works great. Got it off ebay from a nice aussie fellow. I wanted the Tmous one for the extra ROM space, but hey... As long as Android runs on it, I'm more than happy!
Welcome to the HD2 community.