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I'm curious as to who the moderators are in this forum. Does anyone know?
There have been a number of excellent discussions that probably should have been stickified, but I don't have a clue as to who the moderators would be for me to ask/request a sticky. Without a sticky, these posts fall off the front page quickly and result in redundant posts in most current threads.
Some that come to mind are the "How to setup Android on my phone" threads as this question is asked many times, and replied to almost as many times.
Other great threads I'd have asked for are the "tutorial" threads on Android porting, the theming tools...etc.
When I go to most other forums on XDA, they've got the exact opposite problem. On some there are almost 1/2 a page of stickies before you get to fresh posts.
Just curious.
Cheers
The vogue gets no love besides android. I think we pretty much took over this part of the vogue forums. We asked for a subsection for android a while ago with no luck. Now that we have a flashable rom I think it would be very nice thing to have.
nabicat said:
I'm curious as to who the moderators are in this forum. Does anyone know?
There have been a number of excellent discussions that probably should have been stickified, but I don't have a clue as to who the moderators would be for me to ask/request a sticky. Without a sticky, these posts fall off the front page quickly and result in redundant posts in most current threads.
Some that come to mind are the "How to setup Android on my phone" threads as this question is asked many times, and replied to almost as many times.
Other great threads I'd have asked for are the "tutorial" threads on Android porting, the theming tools...etc.
When I go to most other forums on XDA, they've got the exact opposite problem. On some there are almost 1/2 a page of stickies before you get to fresh posts.
Just curious.
Cheers
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Little Known secret, but public domain information.
Which Moderators are on Which Forums.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Forum_Mods
Personally i'm a fan of 5 stickies max, but sometimes there really are a few extra threads that need the extra attention.
For Voque i'd suggest getting in touch with TsOwen. Maybe start a temporary group where you can privatly discuss ideas.
So he can re read ideas and comments to help him decide what might be best. And if he has choices to make that are hard to decide on, there's a whole army of mods, to help choose the best decisions if he needs. But i'm sure he can handle removing and adding a few Stickies for Voque forums.
Noonski said:
Little Known secret, but public domain information.
Which Moderators are on Which Forums.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Forum_Mods
Personally i'm a fan of 5 stickies max, but sometimes there really are a few extra threads that need the extra attention.
For Voque i'd suggest getting in touch with TsOwen. Maybe start a temporary group where you can privatly discuss ideas.
So he can re read ideas and comments to help him decide what might be best. And if he has choices to make that are hard to decide on, there's a whole army of mods, to help choose the best decisions if he needs. But i'm sure he can handle removing and adding a few Stickies for Voque forums.
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what we really need is a subsection for android!!!
ive put requests in the sticky request thread here but all have been ignored it would really be appreciated by a lot of people in this forum.
Let's try this again. Two rules regarding the Fascinate general section.
1)-Let's try to keep the "thank you" threads to a minimum. Please use the "THANKS" button to thank people for awesome work.
and
2)-Please keep all questions that aren't general to the Q&A section. Non-general questions will be moved to the Q&A section, as will general questions once they are resolved.
Word.-ashasaur
The Fascinate section is a very rough crowd of people that expect the world handed to them on a silver platter for nothing, and they all want it 5 min ago. Personally, I'm just happy we have an active mod now as I didn't like to have to always bother Captainkrtek with the off-topic posts in the Development forum.
This is the wild west yo...if you demand something instead of proposing, expect to get shot.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mandatory
man·da·to·ry
[man-duh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] Show IPA
adjective, noun, plural -ries.
–adjective
1.
authoritatively ordered; obligatory; compulsory: It is mandatory that all students take two years of math.
2.
pertaining to, of the nature of, or containing a command.
3.
Law . permitting no option; not to be disregarded or modified: a mandatory clause.
4.
having received a mandate, as a nation.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proposed
pro·pose
[pruh-pohz] Show IPA
verb, -posed, -pos·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to offer or suggest (a matter, subject, case, etc.) for consideration, acceptance, or action: to propose a new method.
2.
to offer (a toast).
3.
to suggest: He proposed that a messenger be sent.
4.
to present or nominate (a person) for some position, office, membership, etc.
5.
to put before oneself as something to be done; design; intend.
6.
to present to the mind or attention; state.
7.
to propound (a question, riddle, etc.).
Oh I know, but the yelling at other members for supporting me is what gets to me. Yell at me all you want, I'm the mod thats what I'm here for...but yelling at other members? Wow is all I have to say.
Well, you started a flame war. You should fit right in
Heh, fair enough. Like I say, not trying to be a jackass, just trying to bring in some order that you all seems to have been wanting. At least the new naming scheme has been taken pretty damn well in the development section, as has the new Q&A section I got for us.
ashasaur said:
Heh, fair enough. Like I say, not trying to be a jackass, just trying to bring in some order that you all seems to have been wanting. At least the new naming scheme has been taken pretty damn well in the development section, as has the new Q&A section I got for us.
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Well then, Here's to order out of chaos.
Two things should take place if you're effective:
The Fascinate forums become much more engaging and reasonable to navigate
About half my posts get moved or deleted for irrelevence
Now I will have a beer to celebrate.
imnuts said:
The Fascinate section is a very rough crowd of people that expect the world handed to them on a silver platter for nothing, and they all want it 5 min ago. Personally, I'm just happy we have an active mod now as I didn't like to have to always bother Captainkrtek with the off-topic posts in the Development forum.
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Pretty much sums it up.
I think a 5th grade school yard would be a better analogy than the wild west. 'You try and set rules and we will whine and test your authority.'
ok... so what's the purpose of general if not to ask general questions?
Seems like Q&A should be left for specific FAQs and "how to"s to me.
Specifically, I just posted a question to general, should that have been in Q&A based on your definition?
superchunkwii said:
ok... so what's the purpose of general if not to ask general questions?
Seems like Q&A should be left for specific FAQs and "how to"s to me.
Specifically, I just posted a question to general, should that have been in Q&A based on your definition?
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Well Said =D
Development is easy as is Themes and Apps. But the line between General and Q&A is hazy.
I think the things that need to be considered is what makes a question technical and what it a general question. Should ANY questions be in General or should all questions belong in Q&A and General be for news, announcements, opinions, sharing other resources, etc.
Otherwise I think the line between General and Q&A will remain hazy.
ezas said:
Development is easy as is Themes and Apps. But the line between General and Q&A is hazy.
I think the things that need to be considered is what makes a question technical and what it a general question. Should ANY questions be in General or should all questions belong in Q&A and General be for news, announcements, opinions, sharing other resources, etc.
Otherwise I think the line between General and Q&A will remain hazy.
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Definitely true statement you made it there. Mod gotta do something about it. General/Q&A is just messy.
The point of the general forum is just that, general discussion, not questions. EVERY DAY people post Questions about CWM or Froyo in the General section, and things like that just need togo into the Q&A section.
Not to be a douche about it, but you all wanted a Q&A section, and I got it for you. So stop whining.
If I might make an observation, suggestion, and offer a possible option fo resolution:
The basic procedural questions may be quelled if the there was a consolidation, collective update, and removal of outdated how to's in the forum all together. As questions are answered amidst the postings following the OP's, those tweaks, exceptions, or side steps, added would prevent new visitors from then repeating that same mistep, thereby causing that repeat posted question.
To further that, as procedures are refined and updated, older versions should be removed or directly notated as outdated with a current link to the most recent and up to date instructional set. I know that most of my confusion has stemmed from to many years in windows mobile mode, and then coming to android, which was greek to me initially. But it is that much harder to functionally self educate when presented with multitudes of outdated threads whith solutions hidden amidst the 1000 posts, only to discover that by the time I have read then entire thread, a newer version or instruction has been posted, and posted elsewhere.
I hope I am making sense, let me know if not. If there is any assistance I can provide in implementing a solution to the process of clarification within the forum I would he happy, and honored to help in any way I can. Thanks for the work you do here, I know I havent eve a fraction of understanding the multifaceted responsibilities involved with maintaining a forum, so I know you must be a busy person. Take care.
Matthew
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djblu said:
If there is any assistance I can provide in implementing a solution to the process of clarification within the forum I would he happy, and honored to help in any way I can. Thanks for the work you do here, I know I havent eve a fraction of understanding the multifaceted responsibilities involved with maintaining a forum, so I know you must be a busy person.
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+1 to the entire preceding comment, especially the quoted section. I don't know enough yet to contribute anything dev-grade to the community, but I'd be happy to help out however else I can...
Had an atrix for a few months now and have come to this forum almost daily to read and learn but have not posted until now. Below are just a couple general questions/opinions that I have based on how this forum conducts itself especially compared to other forums I frequent.
1. Why do people think they are owed something by devs and especially for it to be done on a timetable? To the best of my knowledge these people all have work/school/family’s/friends and work on this stuff on there own time and are not paid to do it.
note: to those who complain about making donations to devs and thinking this entitles you to the above learn the definition of DONATION, summarized as “gifts given to benefit a cause with nothing expected in return.”...otherwise it would be a purchase, investment, or wage.
2. Why can’t people read a thread before starting a thread or posting a reply, usually to ask a question that was already answered several times already in that thread or others?
3. In relation to question 2, why does this forum not have more moderators, especially in the Dev forum were people can’t seem to grasp what should be posted in there or what a appropriate reply is. Almost every thread worth readying takes 5x longer to read than it should to weed through the morons who seem to just want to voice there 2cents worth (and most isn’t worth that).
My theory is, if everyone just took a few minutes to search and read before posting then not only would they not fill the forum with junk they would also learn and potentially be able to contribute to the overall knowledge of the forum. I do want to thank those who already do this, I know I have learned an immense amount after coming here a complete android noob.
I agree with you for donations, however, I take exception on those who have spread themselves too thin, have opened up way too many projects and failed to deliver usable results on any of them. If you've got the donation pot out and you fail to deliver on all your promises, expect some reverb to come your way.
As for the rest of your post, you're definitely preaching to the choir
I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed in the tone that gets set through this forum sometimes. Just like the devs have families/jobs/life outside of this forum so does everyone else. Now I 100% agree with using the search feature or even google to find information you need, I just think it doesn't always have to take a smart a$$ response when someone asks a question.
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I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
DarkRyoushii said:
I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
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we tried this on the samdroid forum and it worked ...keep a dev section for releases and a discussion section for the releases.
so every mod/rom had a thread in the dev section (restricted to dev's only for posting) and a thread in the discussion section for questions and thanks etc.
Really didn't want to do this but EVERYBODY that posted here, post in the Official *** New Device Forum Requests *** thread.
This may be the only way we are going to make this happen.
Would like to publicly request a dedicated section for the Umeox x201. This covers such devices like the the AW-414, AW-420, Vapirius AX-3, Omate TrueSmart ans at least three other devices based on the x201 platform.
Current issues with not having a dedicated forum are;
Informational master thread keeps getting buried
Cannot add development releases to the Dev DB
Development projects are not being posted due to lack of a development section
The current Omate TrueSmart main thread is now over 100 pages long and includes development, Q&A, general discussions and is near unmanageable
There is a lot of cross posting of the same information on the AW414 and TrueSmart threads because, except for case and name, they are the same device.
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A section for this class of smartwatch would greatly help things. It would make it easier to find information because we could have single-topic threads. It would be easier to contribute because catching up with a thread would be quicker. It would allow the community to grow and operate.
But of course it would be useful to US. Every obscure device community could ask for a section and argue that it would help them. We need to argue that our device is so popular that a section is required. Here are some points to consider:
* Within the "Other Smartwatches" section, the "Omate Truesmart" thread has about 40% of the posts of the "MotoActv" thread. However, the MotoActiv has been around since 2011 and the Truesmart has been around since - well, for all intents and purposes, it isn't even out yet and there's still a thriving community
* There are more posts in the "Omate Truesmart" thread than in the entire "Pebble Smartwatch" section. Don't get me wrong, there's a huge and dedicated Pebble community out there. Here on the XDA forums, however, the Umeox x201 community is larger, more active, and in need of a good home
* A dedicated section will improve the quality of the site. Having monster threads like the "Omate Truesmart" thread make the site disorganized and difficult to use. If the information is easy to find, the users are better informed. Well-informed users make a better community. Better communities bring in more advertisment dollars.
* The time to act is NOW. The early devices are beginning to ship, and the there are only a few developers churning away. Over the next month or two, the number of devlopers will explode. Implementing a new section now will allow time for proper organization. Allowing a thread to balloon to 10,000 posts and we'll need to hire more mods to help sort the information into proper threads.
Does it make sense? Is it worth it? My professional experience in forum management (of which I have none) says yes!
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Note to Admins:
We currently have info, fixes, development environment guides and so on spread out across multiple G+ communities and posts, two forums and personal pages and are already running into issues where even searching doesn't even find some it. If you decide to not create a section for the x201 please let us know as we will need to find some sort of solution.
agreed
You have my support. Now let's flood the official request thread
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Lokifish Marz said:
Would like to publicly request a dedicated section for the Umeox x201. This covers such devices like the the AW-414, AW-420, Vapirius AX-3, Omate TrueSmart ans at least three other devices based on the x201 platform.
Current issues with not having a dedicated forum are;
Informational master thread keeps getting buried
Cannot add development releases to the Dev DB
Development projects are not being posted due to lack of a development section
The current Omate TrueSmart main thread is now over 100 pages long and includes development, Q&A, general discussions and is near unmanageable
There is a lot of cross posting of the same information on the AW414 and TrueSmart threads because, except for case and name, they are the same device.
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Agreed.
i support this too.
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i support this too.
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Couldn't agree more.
Would be grateful for a dedicated section as well.
I agree. We need a section for the best SmartWatches so far.
Aye, Loki, you have my axe!
(in other words, I support a dedicated forum)
Support!
One more here to agree !!
Omate might kill me for this since I'm one of their forum moderators and an admin, but I think a development forum on XDA is a much better thing then a "special development forum"...
Reason 1:
There are too much wise noses on the TS forums who think they know it all, but over here at XDA I mostly see professionals or at least people working together more professionally...
Reason 2:
There has never been an Asus Padfone series forum over here at XDA (even though a lot of people requested it), and there has been a lot of development for this device over at my Padfone community, but I know there would be a lot more development if the Padfone would've gotten it's own forum over here a XDA... So to make the TS (or any other Umeox watch since they're pretty much all the same, except for the exterior) a great success, proper development is required!
So +1
Agree
And as an avid reader of this forum and member since 2007 (when xda-dev was for xda's only), I support this request.
support this.....
I support this.
Agree.
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Yes, please. :good:
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Guys this forum is a disaster, that single topic with like 2000 posts in it is ridiculous.
There needs to be more organization and breaking out of things into easier to digest and read.
Someone needs to LOCK that existing thread and force people to start new ones.
Am I the only one who thinks this?
Nope, I totally agree with you. It's really hard to find any info if it's not being discussed right now.
Welcome, newbie!
There's a good historical reason for that thread. It grew to well beyond 1000 pages before there even was an Android Auto forum, when it was the only place in common for discussing that type of unit.
Feel free to contribute to the wiki, and point people with common questions in that direction.
(And no, it doesn't need to be locked. Learn to use search)
I agree on the historical reason for it, but right now we have a whole section dedicated to Android Head Units. Maybe the thread doesn't need to be locked, but people do need to start creating different threads for issues and wuations and whatnot. It's really hard most of the time to find a solution to something on such a long thread (even using search).
I agree that one thread has all the solution but it scattered all over the place.
Having one thread for each product does not work well since your question can easily get buried by a few responses to some other question. The thread should be locked and a sticky created that links to specific posts/wiki entries or new threads.
No, that thread covers all the Hui-Fei type units, which share the same firmware images. The differences are minor. If you're looking for something, check the wiki first (the very first link in that thread!). If you don't find it there spend some time searching the thread and when you do find it, add it to the wiki.
The problem is not the thread, it's with people too lazy to take the time to search ("oh, instead of taking 5 or 10 minutes to search, it will only take me 1 minute to ask a question which has been asked 100 times before and get other people to do the work for me"). If all the posts which didn't trim what they were quoting, and all the posts asking things which had already been answered were removed, that thread would only be 1/4 the size. The thread isn't the problem, lazy people are.
I don't think the forum is a mess but I do think that some of the more popular head units do warrant their own sub forums.
I've just ordered a carpad for example and have had a fair go at reading most of that thread but it's not easy.
There are certain topics within that thread that would be easier to follow and encourage better collaboration if they were separate threads within a sub forum.
The search is all well and good but it's not great if you don't know what you don't know!