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according to this gizmodo android review, it seem's so...
http://gizmodo.com/5318860/htc-hero-review-ambitious-but-tragically-flawed
"Guts and Miscellany
Powering Hero is 528MHz processor virtually identical to one inside the Dream and Magic, and it has the same 288MB of RAM as the latter. Frankly, it's not enough. At least not with HTC's custom user interface, more than a couple of widgets and an application running. Killing all of the widgets—especially the Twitter one—does help. But moments where the phone does nothing for a second or three after you've tapped, flicked or swiped happens far too often. Which is to say, a lot, especially after it's been on for more than an hour. Fast, totally smooth transition animations are infrequent enough I'm pleasantly surprised when a desktop screen immediately and gracefully slides to the left or right without a hiccup. It's frustrating"
sounds like it doesn't that much better than hero on our g1's, which is sad for such a lovely gui.
tho I all I would really want from rosie/sense/touchflo is people/albums twitter and facebook integration as well as the twitter widget.
to really i'd love to have all the damned widgets, even the stock widget that no one here seem's to want, onyl if they could integrate it w/ google finance for the most real-time pricing available for free.
im running off on tangents tho..so i will stop..
Don't put to much stock in the engadget or gizmodo reviews. It's hard to get a earnest review of anything other than Iphones from either site. Some people in the gizmodo thread state that there is a clas4 card included with the kits, and swapping it out for a class6 makes the sluggishness go away. Apparently hero uses a swap file aswell. It would be interested to see them retest with a class6 card. Head off to some of the other sites and you will find reviews that explicitely say they DID NOT notice the sluggishness.
It's also noted that alot of the widgets only update when the phone wakes, some of that bogging could simply be the edge connections choking truing to update all the widgets, of which im sure they loaded every possible page full.
It would be very interesting to see if the class4 sd card really is the bottleneck. If it is, i would like these guys to eat crow for lunch. Even HTC is puzzled by the fact that some people report no issues, while the highest profile sites report its just abysmal. I'm getting one regardless, when the NA 3g band version is available, even if it was sluggish, one cyanogen and the gang get ahold of it, it's a wrap.
I believe Android itself is part of the bottleneck - the Dalvik VM makes everything unbearably slow. Hopefully HTC will make use of the NDK.
There are several comments from actual Hero users who say that a lot of the sluggish behaviour was gone when they didn't use the Class 4 MicroSD card and used Class 6 instead, which indicates a problem with the IO as Android uses the mem card for its swap file. That means its not the processing time when all these apps are running concurrently afterall. Food for thought..
I've read both the gizmodo and engadget reviews, as mentioned before, both sites do have a bias towards the iPhone, but I found that engadget's review of the hero to be quite objective in their testing. As for the gizmodo review, they seemed ready to hate it as soon as they didn't see an apple logo on it.
I think Hero is just poorly coded. Have you watched the logs on this thing? Providers in Providers, hundreds of BroadcastReceivers, its crazy. To do anything on the device 100 different apps wake up.
mpeezay said:
according to this gizmodo android review, it seem's so...
http://gizmodo.com/5318860/htc-hero-review-ambitious-but-tragically-flawed
"Guts and Miscellany
Powering Hero is 528MHz processor virtually identical to one inside the Dream and Magic, and it has the same 288MB of RAM as the latter. Frankly, it's not enough. At least not with HTC's custom user interface, more than a couple of widgets and an application running. Killing all of the widgets—especially the Twitter one—does help. But moments where the phone does nothing for a second or three after you've tapped, flicked or swiped happens far too often. Which is to say, a lot, especially after it's been on for more than an hour. Fast, totally smooth transition animations are infrequent enough I'm pleasantly surprised when a desktop screen immediately and gracefully slides to the left or right without a hiccup. It's frustrating"
sounds like it doesn't that much better than hero on our g1's, which is sad for such a lovely gui.
tho I all I would really want from rosie/sense/touchflo is people/albums twitter and facebook integration as well as the twitter widget.
to really i'd love to have all the damned widgets, even the stock widget that no one here seem's to want, onyl if they could integrate it w/ google finance for the most real-time pricing available for free.
im running off on tangents tho..so i will stop..
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My G1 running Hero is NOT slow at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxLZOhUA3R0
I don't know if you guys remember, but the original release of android was also plagued with sluggishness when it first came out. Browser scrolling was choppy, using browser and then going back home would cause a re-load (on a stock system). The hero is not much more different than then Dream in terms of hardware (the qualcomm processor uses the same ARM core, and I believe the only change between it and the Dream's is improvements in the radio), much more like the sapphire. I was too disapointed when I saw videos of the Hero device and saw slowdowns and sluggishness, and like Cyanogen pointed out, HTC basically built Touch-flo on top of running android processes without caring for either disabling or reusing them. The size of HTC's framework is about as big as the original Android system (considering how much of android they've taken off too).
I also have to wonder, though what it is people are perceiving as "speed". If, like Breakthecycle2, you're reffering to speed as just flicking the home screen from side to side without slowdown, then you're just considering the UI aspect of the whole system (and only the home app at that).
A system that runs lean, boots fast, keeps all systems shut until they're required, and is able to start them quickly on demand is really a fast system, and android sucks at that. Android is much like vista, it likes keeping the memory full and all services ready to make up for the shortcomings of running a VM, but the Dream is not a desktop computer, nor does it come equiped with 4 gb or ram where you can get away with doing just so.
I don't believe it's gonna change anymore either, programmers, companies, nobody really cares about optimizing runtimes anymore. We've been spoiled with increased capacities, speeds, etc that we're completely comforatble with wasting resources to use shortcut instead of solving challenges programatically (ie, loading up bitmaps instead of creating and using vectors, just because we have the storage for them and it's easier), and companies will settle with "good enough" or "fast enough" just to make a profit, after all, if it's selling, why spend money on improving it?
Here's a battle between WiFi browser loading speeds between the three phones. Very interesting result. Can anyone explain why the iphone was significantly faster? Nexus One should have been way faster compared to the iphone on same wifi speeds.
check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMGkhBIqOMg
are we sure the android browser is loading everything in the same order? (it could have been loading the images further down the page first), also, it seems like the apple had cached the page, I have no sound here, but did they say that all 3 phones had been fuly reset or had their cache's cleared?
Yeah, that site was iPhone optimized! That's why there was such a huge difference in load times... what a scam! Notice you even see the "Engadget for the iPhone" banner pop up on the iPhone's screen...
Also notice the guys' ENTIRE post was so SLANTED!!!!!!!!!! He's a complete Apple fan boy. He wanted the Driods to lose. Just ticks me off becuase people will buy that when there is NO way AT&T has a better network and the Iphone is a slower machine.
I so wish this phone was unlocked for AT&T too! gah... my wifes stupid plan and her free minutes!!! I'm switching anyway but it would have been nice to truly have the open system.
No doubt the iphone had the page cached. I've just tried loading engadget on my iPhone 3GS, clearing the cache first and it took twice as long as what video showed on the iphone. I on Wifi with a 6.5mb connection too.
Engadget is totally biased toward Apple big time, nothing can ever live up to them if it hasnt got a apple logo on it.
This begs the question how did a bias reviewer like that get the exclusive review ?
But in head to head non cached race they will be almost the same, but even if the iphone wins (as some browsers generally handle different coded sites better) its doesn't matter as hay nexus one has confirmed Flash ..... my 3gs is looking older and older with every nexus one news story lol
Stop being fanboyish and look at facts. The new browser is nice, but Google screwed it up by moving the drawing engine to the skiagl library. It's now running on the same circumstances as the Chrome browser.
Engadget is a pretty punishing site, and, unlike the iPhone's safari, Android's browser won't release a page until most content is loaded (with the iPhone you can start viewing content even as it's loading).
Here's an interesting thing: If you have a Dream, load up Cupcake on it. No, seriously, load Cupcake on it, the do a browser test of Cupcake browser vs Eclair browser.
The new browser is pretty, but it's pretty much crap.
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I check engadget almost daily, and I had noticed that since I started using the 2.0 browser loading was slower. Oddly enough, most other websites are pretty quick too. The iPhone browser is supperior, and nobody's questioning that. I switched to Opera Mini on my device mostly because of the slow speed of the stock browser.
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Honestly, run the test yourselves. Any eclair browser (either using a droid, or a nexus one, or a dream with either and aosp eclair build or cm's newest donut release with the 2.0 browser backported) will load the page at about the same rate (slower on my g1 over wifi which, according to speedtest.net, is running at 14.28 Mbps down, plenty fast).
Actually, I'll make a video of two android emulator devices, one with 2.0.1, and another with 1.5 and I'll load engadget on both.
plus the smoothness of the scroll. The iphone scrolls at snail speed, moving down screen length, of course its going to look smooth. Android scroll speed is 5 times faster, obviously it's going to look less smooth because of the refresh rate.
I don't see them commenting about that
Ok, here we go.
Android 1.1 browser (unchanged up to donut except for a few ui changes, but rendering engine is the same) vs Android 2.0.1 browser (with libskiagl drawing engine).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjsWWjh79oM
Interesting stuff, Jubeh!
Yes, Engadget is quite a bit slanted in apples favor. That entire review which contained that video was slanted. They failed to mention call quality in that review... did not even bring up the noise cancelling mike. Used sarcastic remarks all over the place. In this video he was like ohhh.. "If I were an owner of this phone I would be in tears"
I bet when I run this test myself the nexus one will probably win out most times but it all depends on the site. Gizmodo stated that the Nexus outperformed both the 3gs and droid most times in multiple test. Unlike Engadget.. they saw the result they wanted on their first try and didn't try it elsewhere.
i love my iphone
......now ducks under a table
I love my iPhone too but some ppl who have them think they are flawless which is untrue there are may downsides to the iphone which this particular review glossed over when comparing the too, things like :-
- WiFi 'n' Connectivity
- Removable battery (when the iphones battery dies like they do its a mess to replace the battery not to mention it voids the warrantee)
- Apples Grip on AppStore
- How apple restricts JB/Rooting is immense ( reducing your control over iphones)
- Battery Nexus Has a bigger battery and better life
Im not saying the nexus is perfect either :-
- Browser does seem slower on nexus (time will tell) Acid3 test them :-|
- UI of the nexus still looks kinda dated
- Some reported lag on home screens
So I understand that there are areas where the N1 falls behind the iPhone but on other, some more practical areas the iPhone falls behind.
Also did they say there device was On 2.1 ?? it could have been on 2.0.1 and i dint see any 2.1 specific features
how is 1.1 better than 2.0.1, how is that even possible?
Why would they let it come to that?
They better fix that!!!!
Anyone know if flash 10 works on the Nexus??
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Whats wrong with liking your own phone?
Now if you were to say that the iPhone was better than the Nexus One in a Nexus One forum, with android fans, then you might need to hide under a table. BUT EVEN THAT WONT SAVE YOU!!!!
lolz
Err, is *2.1* slower?
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Err, is *2.1* slower?
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unknown, no one else seems to be wanting to do some browser videos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612843
Just got my nexus 1 and tried the engadget browser test. On my n1, it loaded the site just as fast as the iphone 3gs. And, after the page was cached, the n1 loaded the site faster than the 3gs.
And scrolling is very smooth, significantly better than the mt3g.
Here is a video from REAL Nexus One users comparing the browser speeds.
The N1 is just as fast if not faster than the iPhone.
Don't know why Engadget would make it seem Android is dyingly slow!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdqXSY0UOHU
Notwithstanding the issues that have carried over from my g1 and mytouch, this browser really needs an update. I love this phone and I really believe its as good if not better than any phone out there but...
When I go to a site its a straight toss up as to whether it will smoothly load the page or achieve about a quarter inch of yellow progress bar and just hang there( 3g or otherwise). Sometimes I get 0 progress and wind up rebooting the phone. I thought the processor is what's responsible for loading pages once the network downloads them. I'm half excited though because the phone is otherwise great and thru software updates we will eventually see this capable processor and abundance of ram put to proper use. I feel like this phone could literally run at least 50% smoother based only on better hardware use regardless of android software modifications. This phone has such incredible hardware if google took it back and spent another 6 months on it and left the hardware the same they could make it run unrecognizably well.
I predict great things from google!
Check out the Dolphin Browser in the marketplace. It has multi-touch/pinch zoom and works really well.
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Notwithstanding the issues that have carried over from my g1 and mytouch, this browser really needs an update. I love this phone and I really believe its as good if not better than any phone out there but...
When I go to a site its a straight toss up as to whether it will smoothly load the page or achieve about a quarter inch of yellow progress bar and just hang there( 3g or otherwise). Sometimes I get 0 progress and wind up rebooting the phone. I thought the processor is what's responsible for loading pages once the network downloads them. I'm half excited though because the phone is otherwise great and thru software updates we will eventually see this capable processor and abundance of ram put to proper use. I feel like this phone could literally run at least 50% smoother based only on better hardware use regardless of android software modifications. This phone has such incredible hardware if google took it back and spent another 6 months on it and left the hardware the same they could make it run unrecognizably well.
I predict great things from google!
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I have yet to experience such a problem... unless my phone switches from 3G to Edge... but that's not a problem with the browser...
None of those issues with the browser. Only, some website pages like XDA display real small text? So, I have to zoom in a lot...
Im planning to buy a DHD, and the web browsing experience is one of the the most important factor for me. How good is it? im a fairly tech savy guy so im willing to root/install custom roms/OC/remove bloatware whatever to improve the performance of my phone.
Im looking for speed and usuability( i heard android is really laggy when pinching to zoom, scrolling etc ).
Please make comparisons to other flagship android devices, iphone 4 and wp7.
android offers the same high quality web expirence as every other device if anything its better because you also get embedded flash elements that work HOWEVER!
if you are on a page with lots of flash advertisments and other flash content it can lag but this is fixed by changing the settings so that it only loads these elements on demand or not at all
so to close it is as fluid as all other platforms it is not laggy, slow ect unless you have flash enabled, and are on a page full of ads (i dont think flash is properly hardware accelerated yet)
now lastly the DHD however is surprisinly fast with full flash enabled ive only had slowdown when running a 720p video off of the desktop youtube page
Agree with noobdeagle.
I can only compare to my last device, a HTC HD2 - the Opera browser and default browsers yield a much smoother browsing experience (however I could not get Opera to force desktop versions of web pages).
At the moment DolphinHD is my browser of preference on my DesireHD.
So far I haven't noticed any lag on any of the browsers or any of the websites I frequent. Realistically, I know not to expect a 100% equivalent desktop browser experience but it's been great so far.
On my old Touch HD I used Opera as my main browser and I was thinking about getting it on my new DHD.
However, since I started using this default browser on DHD I don't think I'm goning to change it to anything else. This browser gives you a lot of flexibility in zooming pages + it always reformats all text so it fits in the screen and Opera can't do that as good.
Same time it works fast and smoothly so I'm very happy with browsing experience.
Best I've known on mobile device, without getting to silly extremes like the dell streak, the galaxy tab or the iPad. Personally I prefer it to all of those. If web browsing is one of the main things you will do with the dhd I don't think it will let you down.
read any desire HD review and the browsing will be praised and then more for what the big screen offers in readability
the Desire HD also features improved font definition
for flash i use the default browser on demand, flash especially flash video is much faster than old old desire/nexus one
for normal non flash sites i use opera mobile beta, that thing is butter smooth
pretty much browsing speed + bigger screen is the highlight of this phone
Hello, I just bought an Acer A500, this is my first Android device (I own an iphone 3gs).
But I am very dispointed by its speed. I was hoping it would be as fast and smooth (at least !) as my old iphone 3gs but it's not ... When you scroll a web page it's not smooth, whatever the web browser I tried, even single web page as Google !
The only smooth scrolls are when you use the photo browser or when you scroll through the icons pages. For the rest, even the Android Market app, it's not smooth at all.
So is there any optimisation we can do to let the A500 display everything smoother, or is it just an Android 3.0 problem which may be corrected in a future release ?
Thanks
The coming Android OS 3.1 will be better. The update including the browser stability and smoothness.
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Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App
Thanks, I just hope now the 3.1 will come quickly to the A500 and that it will really be smoother ...
My experience with the A500 is very fluid. I find that browsing to be "fast & smooth" as well. So, I'm left scratching my head that your receiving a better browsing experience on a 3GS. Could you upload a video sample on youtube? Some people have reported wifi issues with their device and that could be the culprit to your browsing experience. See if coming in close proximity of your wifi AP improves your browsing experience. If so then search this forum for what others have done to resolve the wifi issue. I am not having an issue so I have not further investigated the wifi issue.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
The browsing experience is a pain in the ass... but that is not from ACER it's from honeycomb...
the stock browser is still unstable and buggy and not support HTML5 and CSS3 as promissed...
and some function supported already by Iphone (field url and email for input do not trigger the good keyboard)
no smooth animation on javascript it s choppy and lost a lot a frame...
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When I say a pain in the ass I mean, only if we want make or build animated javascript website
http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com
this should be SMOOTH...or maybe I expect too much from "high-end" tablet dual-core.
HTML form field url/email
Issue16401 : http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=16401
SenchaMobile.
http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink
-- animations ... choppy and not smooth at all...
-- Buttons ... rounded are... weirdly rendered but that is not a real issues from the android, but probably from webkit or more from also sencha methods.. but still
flickering on any page change...
you can see this flickering also when you are on form fields
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I do not mean anything wrong, I said before that Android 3.0 is young and will grow up by time with better and better things to come I love android and I love Acer Tablet, really good products
-- 3.1 --
it's come in this month "confirmed by Acer Thailand" but no final date yet...
So far my disapointment are not same
I just see the UI improvement on Samsung Galaxy 8.6... it's so nice the UI is sweeeeet
the status bar, with the turn on/off many things...
the fast app launcher on the bottom... WoOow sweet...
I hope we will got some flavor of it
IMPORTANT:
I own 2 tablets Acer A500
I own 2 Liquid Metal S120
You should probably return it. Nobody has yet had these issues, so it might be something wrong with your tablet.
@bec07 : who ?
You and the OP.
It is important to note that not all websites are created equal. I have fast and smooth experiences with some sites and horrible one with others. There are too many variables from code quality, embedded media and offsite advertising, amount of content on a given page etc to truly quantify a 'good' or 'bad' browsing experience.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Some of it has to do with the browser, some has to do with the page you're loading.
gammaRascal said:
It is important to note that not all websites are created equal. I have fast and smooth experiences with some sites and horrible one with others. There are too many variables from code quality, embedded media and offsite advertising, amount of content on a given page etc to truly quantify a 'good' or 'bad' browsing experience.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Some of it has to do with the browser, some has to do with the page you're loading.
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Agree, google.com is fast for me, but this site xda is very slow.
I use Dolphin HD browser... faster and more features.
Basicly all tablets are identical at this point. Some thinner, some thicker but only one manufacturer was smart enough to add the full size USB port.
Since the hardware is identical and it really packs quite a punch those issues should not happen. It would be best they check with their retailer or inconspicuously go to try out another A500.
Bec07 said:
Basicly all tablets are identical at this point. Some thinner, some thicker but only one manufacturer was smart enough to add the full size USB port.
Since the hardware is identical and it really packs quite a punch those issues should not happen. It would be best they check with their retailer or inconspicuously go to try out another A500.
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I have 2 tablet and both are identical so I should change all tablet... naaaa don't think so.
I do think the 3.1 will remove some flickering glitch, and smooth maybe the javascript animation and css animation stuff. but for sure some website are poorly coded or got a DOM overloaded that eat the memory.
I do compare Sencha Touch website between iPad 1 and Acer A500... sad that run smoother on the old old iPad rather than on the new A500
but read really, I said the honeycomb and android is still young and buggy and will be better day after day because of the active community and the open mind of the code. do not interpret or miss understand.
It's a fact that browsing is not that smooth that should be, but it's already good.
now have to become the BEST.
(someone told me on the galaxy S II the browser was.... too fast for rendering it's tooooo good, but I didn't check about flickering or else)
I would have to agree with the first post, the web browsing experience is not as nice as iOS in regards to smoothness/scrolling, comapred to my iphone4 and former ipad1, but its not that bad either.
looking forward to 3.1.
sencha was developed with iPhone in mind, that's not really a valid comparison.
sollie said:
Agree, google.com is fast for me, but this site xda is very slow.
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Just change the theme to xda classic and here you go
Today I checked xoom 3.1 videos on youtube, and I'm still disapointed ...
Browsing the web is faster but still not as smooth as it should be.
And not only the web, also the other apps were not 100% fluid.
I don't know if I will wait until the 3.1 comes to the A500 ... I may sell it quick (only owned for 2 days !) and buy an iPad. And believe it or not : yesterday I have been to the hospital because of an epilleptic crisis I did while using the A500, because of the non-smooth scrollings ...
My point of view is that a pad experience seems magic when it's 100% fluid, without this the pad experience seems not far from a laptop experience, which is not what I was searching for.
New android users always feel that. U can easily change ur the launchers such as Launcher Pro which is very smooth and fast in my opinion. There are tweaks around for you to look for and learn while experiencing Android =)
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Hello, I just bought an Acer A500, this is my first Android device (I own an iphone 3gs).
But I am very dispointed by its speed. I was hoping it would be as fast and smooth (at least !) as my old iphone 3gs but it's not ... When you scroll a web page it's not smooth, whatever the web browser I tried, even single web page as Google !
The only smooth scrolls are when you use the photo browser or when you scroll through the icons pages. For the rest, even the Android Market app, it's not smooth at all.
So is there any optimisation we can do to let the A500 display everything smoother, or is it just an Android 3.0 problem which may be corrected in a future release ?
Thanks
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Ipads have had probably What? 50 updates. A500 had one so far. I have the A500 and my wife's has the Ipad. I think I updated my wife Ipad 3 times since Christmas ( hour or longer updates ) Give it some more updates and the A500 will shine. The way both Tablets are now if I had to sell one of them it would be the Ipad. The only thing I like better about my wife's Ipad is, I can plug it directly into our digital camera and get pictures real fast, but you also have to buy the 30.00 adapter to do this and now you have something more to lose and carry around. JM2C
This is the difference with Apple : with Apple it works fine out of the box, of course a few bugs are corrected in firmware updates but these bug do not avoid you to use your pad.
With Android I feel like in the bad days of Windows mobile : you have to wait for the manufacturer promeses before being able to use your pad properly, but most of the time windows mobile devices never worked as expected ... That's the problem of having one operating system for hundred of devices with different hardwares.
I would be very happy to keep my A500 mainly because of the included usb port, but also because of the price and the fact that Android is more "open", if only Acer would have given us a 3.1 release date I would feel better.
Edit : this time it's sure, I will sell it !!! A current bug let me type very slow on the keyboard, this is the last bug I will accept ! Another big problem has been found : the button bar on the bottom of the screen : I often touch it while using the A500 which freezes the screen ....
I guess I will wait for 3 or 4 more years before going back to Android ! For now I'll stay with Apple.
Thanks anyway to all of you !