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Hey guys
In my never ending quest to find the perfect rom i have really become attached to Manila. Its a slick interface plain and simple and nothing Microsoft has done can top it in my opinion.
In saying that, the enhancements Microsoft introduced in 6.5 make it a worthwhile upgrade. Like the new graphics, start menu, scroll bars etc.
Now im aware you can install the manila cab but being cooked in means it runs alot faster, ive also run into some stability issues running Tran Minh Mans 6.5 rom and the manila cab which could be fixed if it was cooked in. Also some shortcuts are dead like the "All Settings" shortcut.
The Titanium Today Plugin in 6.5 is just awful. Not functional, hard to use and lacks eye candy.
Im hoping the cooks for Polaris feel the same way i do?
EDIT: I have no idea why i wrote "to" instead of "the" in the poll...
I agree
adderz91 said:
Hey guys
In my never ending quest to find the perfect rom i have really become attached to Manila. Its a slick interface plain and simple and nothing Microsoft has done can top it in my opinion.
In saying that, the enhancements Microsoft introduced in 6.5 make it a worthwhile upgrade. Like the new graphics, start menu, scroll bars etc.
Now im aware you can install the manila cab but being cooked in means it runs alot faster, ive also run into some stability issues running Tran Minh Mans 6.5 rom and the manila cab which could be fixed if it was cooked in. Also some shortcuts are dead like the "All Settings" shortcut.
The Titanium Today Plugin in 6.5 is just awful. Not functional, hard to use and lacks eye candy.
Im hoping the cooks for Polaris feel the same way i do?
EDIT: I have no idea why i wrote "to" instead of "the" in the poll...
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I agree.
Greetz, Steady Ron.
Titanium is just horrible.
m2d...titanium
I use titanium because...finally i can use a background i will...and titanium has very nice plugins...but before i had a polaris i had a nokia n70 and i was able to use the background i will in m2d it was not so i easy...because of the digital clock..etc...and the rest of wm6.5 looks like an normal handy menu (like n70) with touch.....i like it....
Thanks to all the cookers and those roms...thanks...thanks and thanks
hope a final ver. comes soon...
Sorry for the english...i`m german..
I love titanium And I will stay using it, until android is totally functional or WM7 is there
????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love titanium...but for all who love m2d.....install the latest cab and enjoy...what is the problem...??? i have it and switch to compare....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...postcount=1509
this method does not seem to work on my Imagio, if anyone else has another way to run both tf3d and ms3.5 at the same time, please post your method and in the mean time i am trying figure out a good way myself.
*dont know why the link isnt working but its in the development and hacking area of the forums
Why would you wanna run both at the same time anyway? They serve same purpose but has only different useability and UI. And running both of them would probably eat alot of RAM too..
tf3d has gps based weather and spb has customizable widgets, i dont need to run both at the same time but i would like the main today screen to be tf3 and be able to switch to mobile shell at the touch of a button.
mygraine said:
tf3d has gps based weather and spb has customizable widgets, i dont need to run both at the same time but i would like the main today screen to be tf3 and be able to switch to mobile shell at the touch of a button.
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i agree... this would be sweet. i love some of the tf3d interface but it is boring. gray backgrounds and unable to chnge them?
mygrain, the link you posted didnt work. can you direct me to the correct link which talks about having both TF3D and SPB MS3.5 running
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mygrain, the link you posted didnt work. can you direct me to the correct link which talks about having both TF3D and SPB MS3.5 running
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didnt work for me either.. 404 not found
Through a combination of TF3D Detacher and the Xperia X1 Panels, I'm running TF3D, Titanium, and the X1 home screen. I'm about to try adding MS 3.5 to the mix.
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Through a combination of TF3D Detacher and the Xperia X1 Panels, I'm running TF3D, Titanium, and the X1 home screen. I'm about to try adding MS 3.5 to the mix.
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screen shots please?
and of course info on how to do it.
I really, really want to use titanium but keep the manila's contacts pice so i can use the faccebook integration
CDODGE said:
screen shots please?
and of course info on how to do it.
I really, really want to use titanium but keep the manila's contacts pice so i can use the faccebook integration
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ok, i found this but it does not say it will work with mobile 6.5.. is this tha app you are using?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480475
if so i am going to be the happiest person alive
Kebero said:
Through a combination of TF3D Detacher and the Xperia X1 Panels, I'm running TF3D, Titanium, and the X1 home screen. I'm about to try adding MS 3.5 to the mix.
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I couldn't add MS 3.5. The information on TF3D Detacher and the X1 panels are all over this forum, a quick search should pull up everything you need. I don't have any screen shots at the moment, mainly because I just did a hard reset and am running straight MS 3.5 (I'm OCD and will keep hard resetting until I get exactly what I want).
I just got the TP2 for USCC last week. (WM6.5) I haven't used WM in about 2 years and am pretty dissapointed to find a lot of the same issues that were present then. I used to be a fairly competent WM user with above average knowledge in registry editing, ROM flashing, etc but most of what I used to use seems to have changed. So far I have found the fixes for the sms sent notification and the organization of the contact list by last name, first to first, last.
I've been all over these forums and cannot find a fix to disable the onscreen keyboard from auto-popping...ever. Also, in the sound settings menu, there is a slider to adjust ringer volume and another to adjust system volume yet these two don't work independently. I want system volume loud for hearing things like my IM app that runs in the background yet have the ringer volume lower as it's over bearing on full.
Something else I have noticed is that some settings menus appear to be there but not functioning. For instance, under settings>all settings>today there is a 2nd tab for items that does not change from the appearance tab. I've notice several menu's like this throughout the phone. It seems like there are things that other versions of WM may have had that this doesn't or simply that Microsoft/HTC got lazy in the initial release and either did not remove tabs that were not intended to be there or forgot to finish some that should. Just wondering if anyone has some insight into this.
I'm also looking for a good free IM client. I've seen many apps across these forums but with so many out there, it's hard to find the right one for me. I refuse to pay $45 for Agile messenger (although I've seen hacked versions but I would prefer not to deal with that). It's a decent app, not great but decent but $45 for a very simple app is outrageous. So, I found Slick ( http://slick.en.softonic.com/windowsmobile ) which is a free app and works great! The only feature it is missing that I liked about Agile is a notification (similar to the annoying sms message sent notification that I removed) while the app is in standby. Does anyone know of another free IM app that is simple and has that feature? I only use Google Talk and have noticed some apps specifically for that but there are so many to try, I'm hoping someone has a good recommendation to save me some time.
The last thing I'm curious about pertains to Manila. I see Manila all over these forums. I've done some reading on it and have a good understanding of what manila is. But, it's very confusing as some thread talk about reflashing ROMS for it and others talk about installing cabs over your current rom for it. Does anyone have a link to a good thread(s) that will explain things more clearly so I can make an educated decision on the best way to try this out? A, Manila for Dummies, if you will.
Thanks in advance for any help!
Edit: It looks like the "Manila" Touch Flo design is incorporated in WM 6.5 on my device already? Is this mainly the custom tabs located at the bottom of the today screen?
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...to disable the onscreen keyboard from auto-popping...
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There's an option to disable "Auto Deploy SIP" in Advanced Configuration Tool.
CeLlgUy said:
... Also, in the sound settings menu, there is a slider to adjust ringer volume and another to adjust system volume yet these two don't work independently....
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Go to "Settings" tab, tap "Sound", turn off "Single Volume Control".
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... under settings>all settings>today there is a 2nd tab for items that does not change from the appearance tab....
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First of all, TF3D/TouchFlo3d, Manila, or Sense are essentially the same thing. It's a skin designed by HTC to cover up WinMo. You may say it's actualy just a very elaborate Today screen plugin. Since it takes up the whole screen, you would not be able to add other items.
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... I'm also looking for a good free IM client....
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No comment. I use MSN Messenger. See if other can help you out here.
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... A, Manila for Dummies, if you will....
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See above for a crude definition. There are many versions, so that's why there's so much discussion in these forums about them. People are trying to use versions that didn't come stock with their devices.
TF2D or Manila 2D - for budget devices like the Touch Vivo, Touch Cruise, etc
TF3D v1 - originally came on the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro
TF3D v2- came with the Touch Diamond 2 and our Touch Pro2.
TF3D v2.1 - came with the release of the official WinMo 6.5 ROM for the Touch Diamond2 and our Touch Pro2. Identifiable with the weather under the clock in the Home tab.
TF3D v2.5 - came with the release of the Touch HD2. Has customizable shortcuts on the Home tab, revamped People tab, coverflow-like Pictures tab and Music tab when in landscape, and other goodies.
Btw, going forward, you may want to list out what you're asking in bullet point form. Most people are put off by long essay-like posts. You'll get more responses if your post is clear and short.
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There's an option to disable "Auto Deploy SIP" in Advanced Configuration Tool.
Go to "Settings" tab, tap "Sound", turn off "Single Volume Control".
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Can't believe I missed that one, thanks.
First of all, TF3D/TouchFlo3d, Manila, or Sense are essentially the same thing. It's a skin designed by HTC to cover up WinMo. You may say it's actualy just a very elaborate Today screen plugin. Since it takes up the whole screen, you would not be able to add other items.
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I was just using that particular option as an example of a menu that is present but cannot be accessed.
See above for a crude definition. There are many versions, so that's why there's so much discussion in these forums about them. People are trying to use versions that didn't come stock with their devices.
TF2D or Manila 2D - for budget devices like the Touch Vivo, Touch Cruise, etc
TF3D v1 - originally came on the Touch Diamond and Touch Pro
TF3D v2- came with the Touch Diamond 2 and our Touch Pro2.
TF3D v2.1 - came with the release of the official WinMo 6.5 ROM for the Touch Diamond2 and our Touch Pro2. Identifiable with the weather under the clock in the Home tab.
TF3D v2.5 - came with the release of the Touch HD2. Has customizable shortcuts on the Home tab, revamped People tab, coverflow-like Pictures tab and Music tab when in landscape, and other goodies.
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That actually clears it up quite a bit. So it appears that my CDMA TP2 with USCC is actually 2.1 or 2.5? I see you stated our TP2 is is 2.1 but your description of 2.5 seems to fit my phone. Either way, it looks like I can just addon on any Manila Cabs that customize the home screen more as Manila is already installed?
Btw, going forward, you may want to list out what you're asking in bullet point form. Most people are put off by long essay-like posts. You'll get more responses if your post is clear and short.
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Sorry about that, I was reading though forums for about 2 hours after the bar last night when I typed all of that. I tend to get a bit winded when I'm intoxicated.
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I was just using that particular option as an example of a menu that is present but cannot be accessed.
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Where else are there menu options that doesn't look like they belong? Anyway, if there are, then it's because of Microsoft and not HTC. We're on WinMo is on version 6.5 now, but it really hasn't changed much since I first used a pocket PC back in 2000.
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Either way, it looks like I can just addon on any Manila Cabs that customize the home screen more as Manila is already installed?
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Certainly, there are components that are possible to install via cabs. But often, you'll need to flash a ROM with the particular build of Manila that you want to get those features.
So just to clear this up, if something is made for TF3D v2, it should (or might) work with our CDMA TP2 running the stock @M6.5 rom?
Also, anyone have a fix for the keyboard thing? I remembered the name of the cab i used to use, null keyboard but can't find anything that works with this rom. I've tried a few reg edits that have not worked.
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So just to clear this up, if something is made for TF3D v2, it should (or might) work with our CDMA TP2 running the stock @M6.5 rom?
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It should, yes. However, if you have a TP2 with WM 6.5 you most likely have Manila 2.1 (in my case 2.1.191937). If you go to the Settings tab and scroll down, you should be able to see which version you have. That being said, many cabs work on all versions, a good few has to have a more specific version (like 2.0, 2.1 or 2.5) and a mere handful needs to be spot on (e.g. 2.1.1717).
After installing such a CAB you often need to restart your TF3D/Manila/Sense, and to do so you go to Start > Settings > Today and tick off HTC Sense. Tap OK and go back in to tick the HTC Sense box again. That restarts your TF3D.
Hope that made sense.
Thx for the clarification, I think I'm ready to start customizing this thing! I'm a bit hesitant as I really like alot of the features that come with the stock home screen. My last windows device was the 8125 and I modded the **** out of that home screen but this one I simply want to add a few highlights without loosing the over all look.
One thing I have been curious about is if there is a way to put a google search bar under the calendar. I know Google apps will put one up but then I have to go to my programs tab and open google apps so I might as well just eliminate a step and open opera.
I haven't checked to be honest with you, but I am satisfied with moving the internet tab a few notches closer to the home screen tab. I find that to be quick and easy enough! One tab on the tab and the google search is at the top of the screen.
Thanks for all the help! You gave me the tools I needed to dive back in. I understand the differences in Manila's now as I've flashed about 5 or 6 different roms. 2.5 is slick in theory, especially when Dusk Evolution v2.0 is theme is added but I had to return to 2.1. Thanks again for the help to get me started.
Im client look at PalRingo.. it's pretty awesome and covers most major networks (yahoo, MSN, gmail, facebook chat, icq others.
Yes, that's what I currently use. Kind of an old thread now too. I've come a long way since I started this thread.
I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?
billybag said:
I am REALLY confused as to how to get and install themes on my new phone. Some problems i have come across so far, with any instructions i have found, are:
Diamond TF3D Config DOES NOT work on my phone
I CANNOT untick TouchFlo3D as it DOES NOT appear in the items list of the today settings.
Can anyone shed some light on how you theme the phone. What can i be doing wrong?
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First you have to know what version of manila you're using. Are you using stock rom?
sounds like he doesnt have touchflo at all....
update rom, maybe then try...
It goes by different names... see if you have something called HTC Sense in your home items. Or Manilla
How are you trying to install the theme's? Are you talking about a theme for the menu bars (top and bottom) or are you talking about a theme for HTC Sense (Aka Touch flo 3d)
Each should basically install via a cab which is an install program. If its a standard windows mobile theme which will just change the background the bars then you just have to move the theme file which you can move over to a folder onto your phone (not SD card) and you should see it in your themes section in home settings.
If you want to switch appearance of HTC Sense/TouchFlo3d/Manilla... whatever you want to call it You can try this too... Theme Switcher] it looks interesting although Ive never tried it
Hope this helps
go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items
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go to settings>all settigns>home or today>items
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it is used to modify windows desktop theme, not manila theme
manila only supports change wallpaper,
if you want modify manila's theme, you need to modify theme code of manila
Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.
And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?
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And the reason i inquire is because i really hate the stock layout/display/theme of my phone but every single editor/mod/customizer i find is for the touchflo3d!!!!!! ESPECIALLY co0kies home screen editor. I really would have liked that. Why do sense users get the shaft?
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ummm... you might wanna look into that alittle bit more. cookies home screen works with sense also, 2.1 or 2.5.
TF3D= pretty much the just wm6.1 and what i call a "test" for sense
2.1= pretty much wm6.5 and like TF3d but with graphic improvements and stuff.
2.5= ment for the HD2 but since were cool we ripped it, but pretty much same as 2.1 but just an updated version pretty much
if i may suggest a ROM for you it would be this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569507
just scroll down to the 2nd post and look for "- valkyrie.ftp v6.7.21904-TR2.5 28th MAY wm6.5 without extra tabbs" it has cookie cooked it it
that would more than likely fit you since its a basic version and has good things preloaded with it. but if you want more than just that then go for this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773
just look for the download button with sense 2.5 and that has the cookie mod already cooked in it as well
just make sure to hardSPL your rhodium before you do any of this. for any more info just look in the ROM development thread and look for things in there.
with that said im done for today and im going to sleep
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Sorry for the lag.
Apparently i do not have TouchFlow3d
I have Sense. Not sure why their is one or the other.... I was never asked which i wanted when buying the phone. Even the CUSTOMIZING HOME SCREEN tutorial on tmobile's site assumes you have TF3D.
The whole thing is just confusing.
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Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.
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Like I said.. Sense is touchflo3D for all intensive purposes... most of the editors you see WILL work with sense. Sense is the newer name for Touchflo3d.
Sense comes in different varients... 2.1 and 2.5... you likely have one of those. I can't say for sure but I thought that cookies home tab only worked with 2.5 which is a significant upgrade. If it does work with Sense 2.1 then odds are you are good either way.
Do some more reading and you'll find out everything you need.
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It doesn't work with 2.1 I already tried a while ago and ended up having to hard reset my phone, losing everything, because it screwed it up.
Hey
I just wondered if this is possible?
Sory for my bad eng...
Windows Mobile 6.5 he is just ugly bastard... And that HTC Sense also...
Just clean WM 6.1?
There are very few versions of 6.1 available for the HD2...and most of them haven't been updated in ages. Just flash a custom ROM, then hit up settings to get the old Start menu back...hell, even the stock ROM has the option I think.
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There are very few versions of 6.1 available for the HD2...and most of them haven't been updated in ages. Just flash a custom ROM, then hit up settings to get the old Start menu back...hell, even the stock ROM has the option I think.
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I can`t find anything that is build on WM6.1. Where You saw them?
WM 6.5.3 is much better than any previous versions thanks to the multitide of finger friendly tweaks made
devgron said:
I can`t find anything that is build on WM6.1. Where You saw them?
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he didn't see it, he's mistaking 6.5 titanium with 6.1
anhyeuemmaimai said:
WM 6.5.3 is much better than any previous versions thanks to the multitide of finger friendly tweaks made
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I don`t like such that sh**
Standard Windows Mobile 6.1 is awesome and sweeeeettttt.
Please help me and my Leo...
samsamuel said:
he didn't see it, he's mistaking 6.5 titanium with 6.1
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No bro, I know the difference between 6.1 and Titanium.....been doing this a long time. There are a handful of 6.1 builds for the Leo...somewhere buried within the ROM development section at the main Leo section.
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Just flash a custom ROM, then hit up settings to get the old Start menu back...hell, even the stock ROM has the option I think.
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ashasaur said:
No bro, I know the difference between 6.1 and Titanium.....been doing this a long time. There are a handful of 6.1 builds for the Leo...somewhere buried within the ROM development section at the main Leo section.
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gotcha, its the red bit that i read as you saying to just turn sense off. Oh teh joy of misinterpretation, , heh.
maybe i don't hang out here enough, but I still can't see what this trivial argument is about...
doesn't WM6.1 = turning off titanium and reinstalling your old today plugins? e.g. before running GPS or Android, I turn off sense and just re-enable BatteryStatus and TodayAgenda from my WM6 on the today screen, and the HD2 magically turns into my old wm5.
If the OP was referring to the other device-specific tweaks like the new notifications or volume controls, they can all be changed in the registry or with programs like SchapsAdvancedConfig3.3 etc. One can even bring back the old start menu with new programs like this recent front page post 3D WinStart. But then again, all these tweaks might be too much for a newbe to handle, so i guess, yer right, just flashing a retro rom might be simpler, as long as one can still find it?
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maybe i don't hang out here enough, but I still can't see what this trivial argument is about...
doesn't WM6.1 = turning off titanium and reinstalling your old today plugins? e.g. before running GPS or Android, I turn off sense and just re-enable BatteryStatus and TodayAgenda from my WM6 on the today screen, and the HD2 magically turns into my old wm5.
If the OP was referring to the other device-specific tweaks like the new notifications or volume controls, they can all be changed in the registry or with programs like SchapsAdvancedConfig3.3 etc. One can even bring back the old start menu with new programs like this recent front page post 3D WinStart. But then again, all these tweaks might be too much for a newbe to handle, so i guess, yer right, just flashing a retro rom might be simpler, as long as one can still find it?
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Ouch, a low blow lol!
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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maybe i don't hang out here enough, but I still can't see what this trivial argument is about...
doesn't WM6.1 = turning off titanium and reinstalling your old today plugins? e.g. before running GPS or Android, I turn off sense and just re-enable BatteryStatus and TodayAgenda from my WM6 on the today screen, and the HD2 magically turns into my old wm5.
If the OP was referring to the other device-specific tweaks like the new notifications or volume controls, they can all be changed in the registry or with programs like SchapsAdvancedConfig3.3 etc. One can even bring back the old start menu with new programs like this recent front page post 3D WinStart. But then again, all these tweaks might be too much for a newbe to handle, so i guess, yer right, just flashing a retro rom might be simpler, as long as one can still find it?
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Tell me what your post brings to this topic?
I do not want any tweaks or crap like that. I want just good old WM6.1.
atlaswing is mostly correct though...WM6.1 really is just 6.5-Titanium. You can just go into settings and enable the classic WinMo Today screen to achieve the same effect.