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Because my Nexus one had a dead/stuck pixel, I called H.T.C. and requested a repair. I sent it to them, and a few days later they said that they had examined it and determined that I needed to pay for the repair. I asked them why, and they replied that it was scratched and cracked.
Well, when I sent it to them, I had an invisible shield (a full body one, mind you) on it, and there nary a blemish on the screen. I told them this, and after a few days (and a couple more telephone calls), one of their managers had a technician examine it, found that it was fine, and said that they would fix it for free.
I received it on Monday, but didn't touch it until Wednesday because I was busy at work and waiting for the new invisible shield that I had ordered. When I used it, I noticed that they had removed the invisible shield, which I expected, but they hadn't fixed the stuck pixel! (Besides this, I had returned it to them with the original box, which they didn't send back to me)
So I called them last night and requested another repair. The representative asked me if they had charged my account for the shipping, and I answered truthfully that no, they had not charged me at all. I suppose that I am fortunate that they didn't, considering the other things they did. So now I am sending my Nexus One back two weeks after I returned it to them the first time, hoping that they will fix it properly, and without any argument.
HTC never charges you for return shipping. You only have to pay to ship it to them.
I am sorry you are having these troubles!
I successfully swapped my Nexus One due to a dead pixel within 3 days! I made a call on Day one at 11pm and by Day 3 at 8 am I had my replacement phone.
uansari1 said:
HTC never charges you for return shipping. You only have to pay to ship it to them.
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That's a bit crap, in the UK they email you a pre-paid shipping label.
I live in the U.S.A., and they sent me a prepaid shipping label. I'm just ticked off because I sent it to them, argued with them for four days, and they didn't even fix it, and two weeks later I need to send it right back. Plus it cost me another Invisible Shield.
Swap method is always better, faster, and easier. Plus, you get a new phone. Who doesn't love that?
They said that they couldn't swap it because it was too far (a few weeks) the purchase date. Maybe the person I spoke to didn't know what she was talking about. That's sort of my impression of the support division of the company, though I know I'm probably having an unrepresentative bad experience.
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They said that they couldn't swap it because it was too far (a few weeks) the purchase date. .
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I think this is BS from HTC. I swapped my N1 after almost two months. They will put a hold on your credit card; if you can live with that the replacement is much faster than the repair.
I'll consider that if they don't fix it properly this time. I didn't want to swap it because of my engraving and the full-body invisible shield that I put on it, but if they don't fix it this time, I probably won't be willing to trust their repair department again.
I had much better customer service from Apple when I had my iPhone ..I'm getting really annoyed with HTC ...especialy with that multitouch issue..
I have a question. Did they release $28 after you got your 'repaired' phone?
bobdude5 said:
I had much better customer service from Apple when I had my iPhone ..I'm getting really annoyed with HTC ...especialy with that multitouch issue..
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I had a dead easy time with apple and my wife's 3G and her 3GS ... you walk in with the broken phone, they demand £150 (ish) for the repair which is always your fault. They then do an estimate and if its expensive (ie > £150) they turn round and say it's BER (beyond economical repair) and offer to sell you a new one. If it's a cheap fix (ie cracked glass) they repair it and pocket the £150.
Now that is customer service!
Other issues such as the 3G problem on the iPhone where it cascades from 3G to Edge to GRPS to No Service and the only way to get it back is to either power off or switch to airplane mode and back. Took it into two phone shops and then the Apple store in London and their solution? Turn off 3G.
Although their best to date is a macbook which I hardly ever use stopped charging. Rang up and they said bring it in to the Genius Bar in 2 weeks. I did, they then said it's warranty expired yesterday (13 days after I reported the fault) and refused to touch it. Demanded to see the manager said they would do me a favour and look at it for free as it was only 1 day outside warranty. They checked the battery and it had been charged 37 times in a year. The guy said this was quite heavy use and was a years worth and I would have to buy a new battery! Queue one massive kick off in the Apple store, resulting in them begrudgingly fitted a new battery!
Or the iMac 24" ATI I bought that crashed all the time, they gave me 3 units before I read on the internet that it was a software issue. I started running XP and voila ... sorted. Apple rolled out a fix quietly without telling anyone a month or so later.
Yes Apple support rocks!
All modern companies support sucks in some cases ... get used to it. Sell a million units and if you get 99% satisfaction you will get 10000 unhappy customers. Give them a platform to shout on and voila!
I bet not everyone gets Apple support like I do, some people probably can't believe how good they are.
Anyway, enough ranting, I wish google would fix the screen calibration issue although I only need to dab the power button and unlock it to fix mine.
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They said that they couldn't swap it because it was too far (a few weeks) the purchase date. Maybe the person I spoke to didn't know what she was talking about. That's sort of my impression of the support division of the company, though I know I'm probably having an unrepresentative bad experience.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Having worked in multiple call centers let me be the first to tell you that it's hard to find intelligence or common sense in them. I work in a call center for AT&T right now and I do work for the Vice President and Assistant Vice President because nobody else knows what they're doing. As soon as they realized that I had common sense and knowledge of technology they took me off of the phone, gave me a raise and converted me from Contractor to Employee. I asked my Director "Why do you let the managers hire people who are so ignorant" His reply was "I'm paying them $17/hr, I don't expect them to think. We have the information and tools set in place to think for them. If I wanted them to think then I would hire people with a higher intelligence and I would pay them more. Instead, I have people like you come up with tools and other things to think for them"
So this is why I hate when people say "I called T-Mobile and they said..." because that means nothing. You can get a different answer every time because most of them don't know the answer because your questions are above their level of intelligence. Now, I'm in no way saying that every person who works in a call center is an idiot. I'm saying that a large percentage of them do not understand anything about what they're troubleshooting.
I was reading a survey in P.C. Magazine about customers' ratings of the service and product quality from companies such as Apple, Toshiba, and Hewlett-Packard. They rated things such as the frequency with which hardware was found to be faulty soon after purchase, how easy it was to have it replaced, and other such topics. Apple did rank first overall, and Toshiba ranked second. This doesn't surprise me, since I have a ten year old Toshiba Tecra 8100 that still runs fine, though I've fixed the screen hinges.
H.T.C. was not in their listing, and I had never dealt with their support before. I replaced my X51v's screen myself after having it for three years and getting some water damage (I also replaced the backup battery later), and that's working fine now. I'm kind of nervous now -- I half expect my Nexus One to come back with real scratches on the screen, or more dead pixels, or some other problem that it didn't have before. After they already accused me of damaging it last time, I sort of wonder what they might damage to do with it this time -- something worse than sending it back unfixed.
jin1207 said:
I have a question. Did they release $28 after you got your 'repaired' phone?
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Yes, they did; they didn't charge me any money.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Having worked in multiple call centers let me be the first to tell you that it's hard to find intelligence or common sense in them. I work in a call center for AT&T right now and I do work for the Vice President and Assistant Vice President because nobody else knows what they're doing. As soon as they realized that I had common sense and knowledge of technology they took me off of the phone, gave me a raise and converted me from Contractor to Employee. I asked my Director "Why do you let the managers hire people who are so ignorant" His reply was "I'm paying them $17/hr, I don't expect them to think. We have the information and tools set in place to think for them. If I wanted them to think then I would hire people with a higher intelligence and I would pay them more. Instead, I have people like you come up with tools and other things to think for them"
So this is why I hate when people say "I called T-Mobile and they said..." because that means nothing. You can get a different answer every time because most of them don't know the answer because your questions are above their level of intelligence. Now, I'm in no way saying that every person who works in a call center is an idiot. I'm saying that a large percentage of them do not understand anything about what they're troubleshooting.
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dwl, classic!! Are you also saying any one with great talking skills can get the job as customer rep too?
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Yes, they did; they didn't charge me any money.
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Thanks, buddy. I can let mine go to repairing.
Hope you get what you expect
I sent it back to them last Thursday, of course, and received a message on Monday saying that they had received it. Today, I received another message saying that they had completed their diagnostics, and guess what my option was? Pay for repair, just like last time! I sent a response asking why and called them, but all the morons in their customer service department could do was 'escalate' it, so I just sent a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.
bobdude5 said:
I had much better customer service from Apple when I had my iPhone ..I'm getting really annoyed with HTC ...especialy with that multitouch issue..
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I would be careful saying anything pro apple on this forum, lol.
I have been pretty lucky with both of my htc products so far. My N1 is great and so was my G1.
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I sent it back to them last Thursday, of course, and received a message on Monday saying that they had received it. Today, I received another message saying that they had completed their diagnostics, and guess what my option was? Pay for repair, just like last time! I sent a response asking why and called them, but all the morons in their customer service department could do was 'escalate' it, so I just sent a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.
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By chance did they answer your question? or at least tell you the results of the diagnostics and how much they charging?
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Ok, So I sent my phone in for repair (a backlight problem) and they sent it back after 2 weeks, and its still exactly the same.
So Ive sent it back again.
But in all honesty, Im not happy paying my monthly bill for a phone Ive not been using.
So do I have the right to demand a refund/not paying next month?
Also, Can I demand a brand new phone if it comes back broken again this time?
thanks guys
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Your signature says that you're running a custom ROM. If that's true then I wouldn't expect that you have any rights because you will have voided the warranty. What did they tell you when the phone was returned last time?
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Your signature says that you're running a custom ROM. If that's true then I wouldn't expect that you have any rights because you will have voided the warranty. What did they tell you when the phone was returned last time?
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I flashed everything back to stock so there is no sign Ive had a custom rom.
They said they couldn't find a problem at all with the phone. They re-flashed the software for me So i guess its a hardwear problem with the acctual phone....
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I flashed everything back to stock so there is no sign Ive had a custom rom.
They said they couldn't find a problem at all with the phone. They re-flashed the software for me So i guess its a hardwear problem with the acctual phone....
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OK. I think the first step will be for you to get HTC to agree that there's a problem with the phone. Until that happens you don't really have a leg to stand on because the phone company will simply argue that you're not owed a refund because there's no problem with the phone (and I think they'd be right to say that).
Once you've proven that the phone is faulty you may be able to contact the phone company and ask for a refund. Unfortunately I don't know exactly what your rights are in this case but it seems reasonable that you shouldn't have to pay for the time when you were unable to use your contract phone. Maybe someone with a bit more expertise can jump in and help here.
The main point though is that you need to prove that you have a problem before you can ask for your money back and I don't think you've managed to do that just yet.
but your still using the SIM right?
Can you take it to their high street shop and demo them the fault? Does the backlight come on at all?
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but your still using the SIM right?
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No because I dont have a backup phone...
Can you take it to their high street shop and demo them the fault? Does the backlight come on at all?
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No its the oppersit, It doesn't go off....
But thats not what Im asking.
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No because I dont have a backup phone....
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then i'd argue with them till im blue in the face! i dont think you should be paying for a service you cannot use. at the very least they should knock it off your next bill or credit you what you've paid already...
id politely argue the point that you cant use your sim without a working handset and since the one they provided is faulty they either have to provide a backup handset whilst yours is being repaired or credit your account.
not sure how it would all work out but its worth a go.
as for the other stuff... if they keep sending it back saying there isnt a problem then you need to be able to prove that there is.
My experience...
My HD2 is off for repair, and as I haven't got insurance which would have entitled me to a loan hand set, VF UK have credited me with a month’s worth of my line rental. Used that to buy a crappy PAYG Nokia and popped my contract SIM in to it. It has £10 of calls on the PAYG SIM I can keep 'in case of emergency, which means I am actually only £10 down.
in the uk if you return something 3 times for the same fault and on the third occassion it still has the same fault you have the law on your side which i believe states they have not made reasonable effort to resolve the problem and they have to replace the device with the same model or another of equal value.
i had a similar thing with vodafone and they ended up giving me a 3gs for my broken hd2 as they had no hd2's or desires in stock.
vodafone didn't charge me for the 2 months it took to send it in and out for repair as i was being inconvenienced through no fault of my own.
on your repair notes it should state the fault you sent it in for each time. phone trading standards or at least threaten to if they don't sort it out
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in the uk if you return something 3 times for the same fault and on the third occassion it still has the same fault you have the law on your side which i believe states they have not made reasonable effort to resolve the problem and they have to replace the device with the same model or another of equal value.
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That's what they've told me on '3 strikes and you're out', but also that have some HD2's in reserve for situations like this...
There must be a way for you to put your plan on hold so you don't pay the plan since you are not using it... all the matter of coordination and loosing time
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in the uk if you return something 3 times for the same fault and on the third occassion it still has the same fault you have the law on your side which i believe states they have not made reasonable effort to resolve the problem and they have to replace the device with the same model or another of equal value.
i had a similar thing with vodafone and they ended up giving me a 3gs for my broken hd2 as they had no hd2's or desires in stock.
vodafone didn't charge me for the 2 months it took to send it in and out for repair as i was being inconvenienced through no fault of my own.
on your repair notes it should state the fault you sent it in for each time. phone trading standards or at least threaten to if they don't sort it out
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Ahh thats made me happy
Im glad to know Ive not been left with no cover.
Thanks guys
So, my launch day EVO started collecting dust under the screen on the top left corner and I took it to a local Sprint store to get it repaired. They put a screen that was all scratched and dented on the sides on and assumed I would be satisfied with it. Wrong!
After forcing them to put my old one back (apparently they didn't have any other in store), I called Sprint and got them to send me a replacement phone.
Phone came in and I noticed heavy scratches on the camera and the kickstand was completely loose (would open up by itself). Got them to send me another replacement...
Phone arrived last week with the bottom of the glass completely loose. I could lift it with my nail. Called and after *****ing for hours, I got them to send me yet another replacement...
Phone came in with exactly the same symptom. What's going on? I don't know what else to do from here on out. I know it is technically not Sprint's fault, but this is getting ridiculous. I thought my experiences with the Palm Pre were bad... that was nothing.
Now I know they most likely will not send me yet another phone unless I take it to a store. That's going to be another 5-hour ordeal. Is there any way I can get a new device or a fully-functional refurb? I tried retentions and they said there was nothing they could do. =/
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So, my launch day EVO started collecting dust under the screen on the top left corner and I took it to a local Sprint store to get it repaired. They put a screen that was all scratched and dented on the sides on and assumed I would be satisfied with it. Wrong!
After forcing them to put my old one back (apparently they didn't have any other in store), I called Sprint and got them to send me a replacement phone.
Phone came in and I noticed heavy scratches on the camera and the kickstand was completely loose (would open up by itself). Got them to send me another replacement...
Phone arrived last week with the bottom of the glass completely loose. I could lift it with my nail. Called and after *****ing for hours, I got them to send me yet another replacement...
Phone came in with exactly the same symptom. What's going on? I don't know what else to do from here on out. I know it is technically not Sprint's fault, but this is getting ridiculous. I thought my experiences with the Palm Pre were bad... that was nothing.
Now I know they most likely will not send me yet another phone unless I take it to a store. That's going to be another 5-hour ordeal. Is there any way I can get a new device or a fully-functional refurb? I tried retentions and they said there was nothing they could do. =/
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The only way is with the Asurion process.
If you call *2 and explain the situation they may refund all, most likely part, of the $100 deductible.
I suggest it though.
mattykinsx said:
The only way is with the Asurion process.
If you call *2 and explain the situation they may refund all, most likely part, of the $100 deductible.
I suggest it though.
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I thought Asurion sends out refurbs sometimes though?
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I thought Asurion sends out refurbs sometimes though?
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I've only received brand new replacements.
I've never heard of them sending out refurbs.
mattykinsx said:
I've only received brand new replacements.
I've never heard of them sending out refurbs.
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That might not be a bad idea after all.
UPDATE: I just spoke to what appeared to be a thug on the other end of the line at Sprint's Tech Support. A nice thug at that. After decrypting our conversation through his strong ebonics, I understood that he created an eTicket (which I received online already) and told me to present it to the store clerk where I will be handed a brand new device. Is this possible? On the ticket it states:
Description of Issue:
Battery Damaged/Swollen/Cracked
Battery Won't Charge
Which is nothing related to my issues and will be apparent when they see it. I sounded skeptical but he assured me that it would work. For me to bring all my stuff (box if I have it, cables, manuals, etc) because I will be handed a brand new one when I get there. I'm still skeptical but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Anyone experience something similar?
Also, he told me I can go to an affiliate store for this (doesn't have to be corporate). Should I even bother? I feel they're less prone to handing me a new device.
I really hope it works out as I don't want to go through the hassle of unrooting and erasing my phone to see that nothing happened.
Finally, will a corporate store have newer phones than affiliated stores or vice versa? If I'm getting something new, I want it to be brand spankin' knew to make sure they worked out all the kinks.
Thanks again!
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That might not be a bad idea after all.
UPDATE: I just spoke to what appeared to be a thug on the other end of the line at Sprint's Tech Support. A nice thug at that. After decrypting our conversation through his strong ebonics, I understood that he created an eTicket (which I received online already) and told me to present it to the store clerk where I will be handed a brand new device. Is this possible? On the ticket it states:
Description of Issue:
Battery Damaged/Swollen/Cracked
Battery Won't Charge
Which is nothing related to my issues and will be apparent when they see it. I sounded skeptical but he assured me that it would work. For me to bring all my stuff (box if I have it, cables, manuals, etc) because I will be handed a brand new one when I get there. I'm still skeptical but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Anyone experience something similar?
Also, he told me I can go to an affiliate store for this (doesn't have to be corporate). Should I even bother? I feel they're less prone to handing me a new device.
I really hope it works out as I don't want to go through the hassle of unrooting and erasing my phone to see that nothing happened.
Finally, will a corporate store have newer phones than affiliated stores or vice versa? If I'm getting something new, I want it to be brand spankin' knew to make sure they worked out all the kinks.
Thanks again!
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That's about the setchiest thing I've ever read lol
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I've only received brand new replacements.
I've never heard of them sending out refurbs.
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All depends on stock. They will most certainly send out Refurbs. But they send new too.
Dust under screen doesn't sound so bad now, does it.
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Dust under screen doesn't sound so bad now, does it.
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Dust under the screen means that the screen is coming apart.
Eventually that will lead to touchscreen failure or something of the kind.
Getting that fixed is more preventative.
Plus, you pay $200 + for a device, you don't deserve to have a sub-standard device.
OT: what exactly made the guy a thug?
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OT: what exactly made the guy a thug?
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The numerous dawgs, yos, and the holla at the end?!
Nobody answered my questions, is it possible that this is legit and I'll be getting a new replacement tomorrow? Why wouldn't get give me some crap someone returned recently?
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The numerous dawgs, yos, and the holla at the end?!
Nobody answered my questions, is it possible that this is legit and I'll be getting a new replacement tomorrow? Why wouldn't get give me some crap someone returned recently?
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Lol.
He must have been from the dirty south. I've called a lot of times and have gotten funny characters.
What he told you is BS. Why would a. authorized retailer such as Best Buy take a new phone out of their inventory and give it to you?
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I see... you must not be from an urban area or around a young people much. Thug implies criminal. Speaking ebonics does not. Some people might take offense to that characterization fyi.
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I see... you must not be from an urban area or around a young people much. Thug implies criminal. Speaking ebonics does not. Some people might take offense to that characterization fyi.
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OP. Just edit your post to ''ghetto''.
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I see... you must not be from an urban area or around a young people much. Thug implies criminal. Speaking ebonics does not. Some people might take offense to that characterization fyi.
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Well, apparently he might just be a criminal according to the sketchiness of this situation and his alleged connections with stores. I guess the term would apply then.
I don't see thug as being derogative anyways. Have you not watched TV much? It's everywhere.
Anyways, if I give someone that works for Sprint and has access to their system my eTicket number, do you think they might be able to explain what it means and how it would be handled at their store?!
OP: I understood, and I LOL'd
Taking offense at ignorance just confirms it....
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Welcome to the world of refurbs.
Call customer service, ask to talk to Account Services. Tell them you will cancel your account if you dont get a brand new replacement. Tell them you are tired ot dealing with crappy refurbs, and dont have the time to keep going back to the store.
Go to a sprint store, tell them there's a ticket in the system. Before you do call sprint back an have them code the ticket correctly. When you go to the store don't tell them what the issue is, just say there's a ticket and have them pull it up. Once they do that the store is subject to a survey, they won't want you to give them a bad survey so they will fully fix or give you a fully functioning device.
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Go to a sprint store, tell them there's a ticket in the system. Before you do call sprint back an have them code the ticket correctly. When you go to the store don't tell them what the issue is, just say there's a ticket and have them pull it up. Once they do that the store is subject to a survey, they won't want you to give them a bad survey so they will fully fix or give you a fully functioning device.
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Or so I thought... I called a rep from the store a bit ago and explained to them the situation. Basically, they told me that I would still have to wait for them to attempt a repair and if not possible, they would send me a refurbished device.
What's the f'ing point of having this eTicket in the first place? I could go there without anything and they would proceed in the same manner. This is really getting annoying... The local store is always extremely busy and getting out of there with 3 hours is unrealistic. I'm tired of wasting time dealing with this simple fix.
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Or so I thought... I called a rep from the store a bit ago and explained to them the situation. Basically, they told me that I would still have to wait for them to attempt a repair and if not possible, they would send me a refurbished device.
What's the f'ing point of having this eTicket in the first place? I could go there without anything and they would proceed in the same manner. This is really getting annoying... The local store is always extremely busy and getting out of there with 3 hours is unrealistic. I'm tired of wasting time dealing with this simple fix.
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The eTicket tells everybody how many times the phone has been checked or submitted to be checked so when customers call and say "I've had this phone replaced 3 times!!!" Sprint can say "No you haven't". They will ALWAYS have to look at/troubleshoot the phone before any exchanges are made.
I've had mine replaced twice and was able to get a new phone. But Jesus Christ was it difficult. They will only give you a brand new phone if the store agrees to it (they have to be reimbursed by Sprint) or if Sprint themselves, agree which is usually a special case.
Here's what you do:
Call up Sprint customer service, explain to them the situation. Don't expect it to go anywhere. Just keep escalating the issue. After you get as high as you can go, call Sprint's Executive Hotline Number: 703-433-4401
Tell them the same thing. 99% chance they will tell you that they can't just give you a brand new Evo. Ask them for a case number and then write it down somewhere. Then, email [email protected] telling them what's going on, and be sure to include your number, account PIN, and the case number (if you have one). This is Dan Hesse's email addresses. He reads the emails, but they are mostly answered by his secretaries. They will call you back on a weekday probably during the same week. You'll get a call from "_________, from the Office of Dan Hesse". Explain to them the situation and be sure to detail your frustration with getting the issue solved and how this is not how a company should handle things.
Also, one of them women that called me back said that refurbished doesn't necessarily mean that the phone is opened up, gutted, and the parts are replaced with working ones. She said that some of the phones are just those that are returned because of the 30 day guarantee and then just put back on shelves. She also said that the only things that are fixed are the things that are written down by the repair specialist in the store, which is stupid because they only write down 1 problem even if there are multiple issues with the phone. Obviously, there is an issue with quality control.
It will take a while, but this is what I went through, and they were able to work with the store near my house to give me a brand new Evo, in exchange for the store getting 2 refurbished phones from Sprint. It's a white 0004 with no issues at all. They will probably tell you that you need to take the phone to a repair center again to have it looked at (the one you have on you), but tell them you've spent way too much time on this issue and you just want it fixed ASAP. If you have a preferred store, let them know which one it is.
PS: Ask for a new white one. Because the white ones were initially only offered at Best Buy, so the ones that are in the Sprint stores now are mostly 0004s, and they have no issues.
Hope this helps,
Frederick
Hi guys. I have posted before about my faulty Galaxy Note in a few threads, but today i was in a shock when the employee of the eshop i bought my Note from informed me that my Note not only has bad hardware but that Samsung refuses to replace faulty devices and only offers to repair them.
The employee told me that the technician diagnosed a motherboard problem(i don't know how else to translate it) and it won't even recharge.
It stands to reason that repairs should cost more than a new note.
Do you think that Samsung will replace my phone?
Also do you find this policy of Samsung wrong or what?
I believe it's appalling, and i am not going to buy another Samsung phone or other product from such an irresponsible company ever again.
Anyway, has anyone have experience with this sort of thing? If yes can you recommend how i should play my cards? Thanks in advance
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Hi guys. I have posted before about my faulty Galaxy Note in a few threads, but today i was in a shock when the employee of the eshop i bought my Note from informed me that my Note not only has bad hardware but that Samsung refuses to replace faulty devices and only offers to repair them.
The employee told me that the technician diagnosed a motherboard problem(i don't know how else to translate it) and it won't even recharge.
It stands to reason that repairs should cost more than a new note.
Do you think that Samsung will replace my phone?
Also do you find this policy of Samsung wrong or what?
I believe it's appalling, and i am not going to buy another Samsung phone or other product from such an irresponsible company ever again.
Anyway, has anyone have experience with this sort of thing? If yes can you recommend how i should play my cards? Thanks in advance
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Well its quite a common thing in service center... the so called "engineers" will not make a replacement for ur faulty phone when they see deem fit that its repairable...
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Its a motherboard replacement, so no it does not cost more than the entire phone. It seems like you "want" a new phone due to the problem more than actually getting the problem resolved. I doubt samsung would utilize an effort in repair that would be more costly to them than replacing the phone itself. I personally don't think their methods are wrong and I love my Samsung products, I do however understand they are assembly line products and some will have defects, we get them fixed and move on.
joshua said:
Well its quite a common thing in service center... the so called "engineers" will not make a replacement for ur faulty phone when they see deem fit that its repairable...
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Are you suggesting that there can be gained some kind of profit from me(other that transporting expenses to the couriers)? No that's not the case if that is what you are implying; my guarantee makes all repair costs free.
So how would they gain from me?
I find it quite normal that they only replace what needs to be...
When your car has a faulty wheel, do you ask the whole car to be replaced?
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I find it quite normal that they only replace what needs to be...
When your car has a faulty wheel, do you ask the whole car to be replaced?
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probably yes, if its bought for less than a week.
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Its a motherboard replacement, so no it does not cost more than the entire phone. It seems like you "want" a new phone due to the problem more than actually getting the problem resolved. I doubt samsung would utilize an effort in repair that would be more costly to them than replacing the phone itself. I personally don't think their methods are wrong and I love my Samsung products, I do however understand they are assembly line products and some will have defects, we get them fixed and move on.
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I sent the phone twice to them and they returned it to me still malfunctioning. No i don't want a new phone more than mine fixed, i have just lost faith that my phone can ever be fixed, and that's why i want a new phone.
From what i've been told on this site it is supposed to be a very stable phone. I have been excited and then frustrated a lot with that phone and it has affected my mood on numerous occasions.
I think i am entitled to some anger against the company for not doing their job right.
I can understand assembly line defects but i don't understand indifference.
It seems like the whole business operates on an automatic assembly line and that frustrates me when i can't have a responsible company representative to solve my problem easily, quickly and effectively.
The only representatives i could reach on the phone were samsung calling center employees and they were vague as vague can be. They of course delegated the problem as much as they could.
I tell you friend, that's no way a responsible company acts. I will not be providing income to them anymore as a consequence of this behavior.
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You wont get one though..You'll get a new wheel
It doesn't even make sense to me that someone would expect a new car if the wheel failed..Even if it was a mile from the lot you bought it from.
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I sent the phone twice to them and they returned it to me still malfunctioning. No i don't want a new phone more than mine fixed, i have just lost faith that my phone can ever be fixed, and that's why i want a new phone.
From what i've been told on this site it is supposed to be a very stable phone. I have been excited and then frustrated a lot with that phone and it has affected my mood on numerous occasions.
I think i am entitled to some anger against the company for not doing their job right.
I can understand assembly line defects but i don't understand indifference.
It seems like the whole business operates on an automatic assembly line and that frustrates me when i can't have a responsible company representative to solve my problem easily, quickly and effectively.
The only representatives i could reach on the phone were samsung calling center employees and they were vague as vague can be. They of course delegated the problem as much as they could.
I tell you friend, that's no way a responsible company acts. I will not be providing income to them anymore as a consequence of this behavior.
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Who is fixing it Samsung or some shop that fixes them for warranty? Sounds like whoever is fixing your phone is dropping the ball and doesnt know what they are doing.
I'm not sure what other manufacturor will do things different? They are all basically the same or worse.
"I sent the phone twice to them and they returned it to me still malfunctioning. No i don't want a new phone more than mine fixed, i have just lost faith that my phone can ever be fixed, and that's why i want a new phone."
That line, which was not included in your original post, changed everything. If you have been following their "policy" and have given them multiple attempts to repair your device and now its costing YOU time and effort, that's unacceptable. I assumed you brought it in with an issue, and that was their resolution, seemed fitting. This no longer seems the case, and yes I would demand a replacement phone. Not only will your problem most likely never get fixed but opening the device up and moving internal parts around over and over is not a good thing for the longevity of the phone. So as they say in the courts, I retract my previous statement, tell em to replace the damn thing!
I feel for you dude.... You buy a brand new device expecting it to work, not having to send it back and forth to fix a problem on a brand new product.
But things happen and personally I don't mind getting it fixed if it's guaranteed. At least it's still the one you bought and not a refurbished unit from someone else.
Of course you have the right to be angry. Anyone would after all that you've described.
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Who is fixing it Samsung or some shop that fixes them for warranty? Sounds like whoever is fixing your phone is dropping the ball and doesnt know what they are doing.
I'm not sure what other manufacturor will do things different? They are all basically the same or worse.
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I sent it to Samsung. Samsung has a company here in Greece that fixes them. They send it there for repairs. Now they saw the condition my phone was in, and they made a poor diagnosis(In my view it was a hasty/irresponsible diagnosis in order to get rid of me) that it was a faulty battery. They didn't even bother to check my phone if it was ok after they "fixed" it as it turns out.
Now with Samsung that's the problem, they delegate and compartmentalize their company as much as it is required to shift responsibility and make you feel lost and frustrated.
I hate that kind of shadowy situation they have built around themselves so they won't have to admit "yes we don't give a **** about the consumer, we just want to sell", and that's why i decided to not take from them anymore.
+1 on what MrDSL said. Have you bought your device from an official dealer? In Bulgaria we have many small electronic stores where they get devices from eBay or God knows from where, the sell these devices 50-100 bucks cheaper and their warranty is linked to some crappy repair services and not to the official one (or authorized one). Some years ago I got my first smartphone Orange branded from such a shop. I would never do that mistake again.
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"I sent the phone twice to them and they returned it to me still malfunctioning. No i don't want a new phone more than mine fixed, i have just lost faith that my phone can ever be fixed, and that's why i want a new phone."
That line, which was not included in your original post, changed everything. If you have been following their "policy" and have given them multiple attempts to repair your device and now its costing YOU time and effort, that's unacceptable. I assumed you brought it in with an issue, and that was their resolution, seemed fitting. This no longer seems the case, and yes I would demand a replacement phone. Not only will your problem most likely never get fixed but opening the device up and moving internal parts around over and over is not a good thing for the longevity of the phone. So as they say in the courts, I retract my previous statement, tell em to replace the damn thing!
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The employee of the eshop called them today and was firm on replacing the device, the problem is that they were firm themselves about NOT replacing it.
What can i do against a big company like them?
If they decide i don't get another phone what the hell can i do?
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+1 on what MrDSL said. Have you bought your device from an official dealer? In Bulgaria we have many small electronic stores where they get devices from eBay or God knows from where, the sell these devices 50-100 bucks cheaper and their warranty is linked to some crappy repair services and not to the official one (or authorized one). Some years ago I got my first smartphone Orange branded from such a shop. I would never do that mistake again.
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I bought it from a small electronics online shop here in Greece. They buy the phones from Germany and the guarantee is linked to the German Market. If all else fails i have to take my case there.
But they employee tells me that it's the company's policy(as well as many others besides Apple) that they don't replace devices, end of story.
So again, even though my guarantee is solid, the COMPANY is NOT.
So they will charge you for replacing the mainboard? If samsung has representative office in your country, go there and directly talk with them about your problem. If not i think you're out of luck.
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So they will charge you for replacing the mainboard? If samsung has representative office in your country, go there and directly talk with them about your problem. If not i think you're out of luck.
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Nobody has made any talk about extra charges, that is covered by the guarantee.
If that was the case i might be convinced to move legally against them.
Its simple, cost of part and installing cheaper then replacement of whole phone then replace part. Logic no?
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This is not a Samsung specific issue all phone manufactures work like this. Next replacing the motherboard is more or less getting a new phone as the phone is roughly motherboard + screen and very little else.
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It might be different in other countries but i work for Ford in the uk and know alittle about the way guarantees and warranty work my note is on contract with 02 and to date i have had 3 new notes from 02 two because i scratched them and just said there was problems with the software on them. Also you have a 28 day no quibble returns policy in the u.k with electronic things. Also if ya good at blagging you can get anything of big companys i upgraded to a nexus in january and the software went into bootloop before i even had time to root it so i kicked off and this happened twice so ended up kicking off and telling them i wanted a note otherwise i was going to trading standards cos they werent fit for purpose and guess what i got a brand new note 3 months after an upgrade. I was always told shy kids get no sweets so try ya luck
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Interesting this .I myself have just taken in my note 3 ( I brought direct from Samsung) which is completely dead into a Samsung approved repair centre. They told me the phone needs to be sent away for a motherboard replacement which will take between 7-10 days. I am a little putout as to the time without my Note but I suppose at least I'll get it back fully functional.
Now last year I took my wife's Iphone into one of there Genius centres with a problem (dead phone again) and guess what we were given a nice new shiny replacement there and then.
They do say you only know how good a manufacture is when you need them most !
Think Samsung may need to up there game.
You pay top dollar or a phone it should come with top dollar service
Hi All,
for anyone thinking of purchasing one of these device I think you may wish to consider the following. I have been waiting for HTC repair to fix a manufacturers defect since 10th July. They now appear to have lost my phone. As follows:
- 10th July - reported a crack around the device. HTC advised that they would need to escalate the issue on ow to handle the case.
- 7th August - (1 month after reporting the problem) HTC made arrangement to pick up the device for repair.
- 16th August - received my HTC One. The cracks were still present + the glass was not fitted correctly.
- 20th August - send off for second repair
Today it becomes apparent that HTC have lost my device. They say it was repaired, and sent to UPS, who do not acknowledge receipt of it.
Unfortunately HTC are now going to investigate. I have requested a replacement handset many times from them, but they insist they get three attempts at the repair. Given previous experience this is likely to take weeks. Again I requested a replacement device today, but no. They insist the suffering must continue until HTC, putting itself first at the expense of its customers, has executed it processes and procedures.
I have been a HTC fan since the htc desire. I am very sad to say that I would not recommend the HTC One, because they are poorly manufactured, as per my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2408050
In addition to this, I will never buy a HTC device again because of the appalling service. Even if my HTC One turns up tomorrow, and it is perfect, I will be returning it to ee. This is purely because I have learnt that you cannot rely on HTC to repair their device in a reasonable way.
I can only hope that some one from HTC reads this, and decides to investigate, because they dont like the poor publicity. I doubt it though. My experience is that they are expert in saying sorry for poor service, but its only talk.
One last point, which I think others may benefit from. The effort that I have had to go through with HTC to get as far as I have is huge. A truly high maintenance experience.
Buy a HTC device at your peril!!!
UPDATE
This matter is now closed (well almost) with HTC as far as I am concerned. I had to shout very loud to get noticed, and it took much time, effort and persistence. As you can read in the remainder of this thread, my HTC experience, this time, was far from good.
However, when I was heard, they listened very carefully, and are acting. HTC have convinced me that they genuinely do care about every single customer experience, and they do read threads such as this, and are prepared to act. They are prepared to change anything and everything to improve.
I have worked with global telecoms businesses for most of my working life (30+ years) all over the world, and I can honestly say that I have never experienced such genuine commitment to improve and resolve issues.
I don't suppose that everything will be transformed overnight, but I know that they have real commitment and desire to excel. Its obvious, they have to. Look at their competitors.
I have but one remaining item of business with regards this experience, and its not with HTC, but my network. I had to do the legwork that they should have done on my behalf. Hopefully I wont have to author another thread etc to resolve this matter.
Now I love HTC again.
HTC - Heres to change, Im sure you will be champions of it. Samsung watch out. You may be huge but YOU are up against a formidable competitor.
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Even if my HTC One turns up tomorrow, and it is perfect, I will be returning it to ee.
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That's what you should have done in the first place; let EE deal with the hassle.
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That's what you should have done in the first place; let EE deal with the hassle.
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Hi Yes you are correct, however I was advised by ee in store to return it to HTC as they would be doing that, rather than repair it themselves because it was due to physical manufacture defect.
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Hi Yes you are correct, however I was advised by ee in store to return it to HTC as they would be doing that, rather than repair it themselves because it was due to physical manufacture defect.
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And therein lies the problem. You should've insisted that EE handled the repair because they were the original retailer, and therefore it is their statutory duty to make good on the repair and/or replace. I would still go back to EE and claim that since it has been nearly two months since you reported the initial fault, and that you have now been without a phone for 3 weeks, they should replace your device because it is unable to be repaired in a satisfactory time scale and that this is a breach of your statutory rights. Don't take no for an answer, and throw section 48B of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 in their faces.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54/section/48B
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Dave
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And therein lies the problem. You should've insisted that EE handled the repair because they were the original retailer, and therefore it is their statutory duty to make good on the repair and/or replace. I would still go back to EE and claim that since it has been nearly two months since you reported the initial fault, and that you have now been without a phone for 3 weeks, they should replace your device because it is unable to be repaired in a satisfactory time scale and that this is a breach of your statutory rights. Don't take no for an answer, and throw section 48B of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 in their faces.
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thank you. Very useful.
HTC have now re located my device, after a call from ee to them. I will now receive a perfectly repaired device back from htc next Tuesday (hopefully) else I'll be going around the houses yet again. If all is OK on Tuesday it will be 69 calendar days since I first reported the problem to HTC. Customer service excellence eh...
I would say that basically every phone company's warranty service is pretty garbage.
Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes it just sucks.
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3rd HTC repair attempt, but they want me to pay
Hi,
Had some new info from htc today. They lost my phone last week and have now decided that they want to charge me for another repair?!? This is without me even having the phone returned to me after the last repair attempt (2nd repair attempt, again under under warranty).
I can only assume that they caused yet more damage with their 2nd repair attempt, and they want me to pay for it.
I spoke to EE this morning who have raised this as an issue with OFCOM now. The last commitment from HTC (to both me and EE) was that they would return the repaired phone to me for 3/9/13. This was on Friday. I also tweeted HTC over the weekend and they committed to escalating the case (again).
I also want to say thanks to EE for their help in this matter, escalating it to OFCOM themselves.
Nearly
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Hi,
Had some new info from htc today. They lost my phone last week and have now decided that they want to charge me for another repair?!? This is without me even having the phone returned to me after the last repair attempt (2nd repair attempt, again under under warranty).
I can only assume that they caused yet more damage with their 2nd repair attempt, and they want me to pay for it.
I spoke to EE this morning who have raised this as an issue with OFCOM now. The last commitment from HTC (to both me and EE) was that they would return the repaired phone to me for 3/9/13. This was on Friday. I also tweeted HTC over the weekend and they committed to escalating the case (again).
I also want to say thanks to EE for their help in this matter, escalating it to OFCOM themselves.
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A minor update. HTC tweeted me again after another day on the phone with ee, htc uk, and htc tweeters, As follows:
- HTC uk have now decided (with ee's help again) not to charge me and have advised that my repair is complete and MAY be with me today, despite using UPS standard. UPS have not received the device yet so I will not be receiving the device today as promised under this courier arrangement. I am now exactly where I was 1 week ago with HTC.
I was tweeted again by htc to ask what my ticket number is, so I provided this (as I did on Saturday when they requested it). I tweeted them to 121 courier it to me today.
HTC UK customer service have agreed to email me in the morning to update me on the UPS standard delivery and have refused to courier it to me by any other method because no managers are available to arrange this. Maybe , just maybe, today will be the day my HTC One is returned without defect. I also tweeted that I want a written letter of apology, compensation and a fault free htc one today.
EE have been absolutely brilliant today and have really given me excellent support. thank you Gareth and team for your support.
HTC customer service sucks donkey balls
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Don't tell me.... said manufacturing defect is the much lauded gap in the "gapless" technology phone?
Seriously if the phone was less than 28 days old, I would of returned it to EE for a replacement on the spot, although I wouldn't of bothered as every phone in the world has issues, as they aren't Rolls Royce or Rolex's.
I didnt bother for a month after receiving but the crack got worse. The real problem is not the crack. The crack is caused by the front of the device not being squarely attached to the rear, which causes an over/underhang at the top/bottom. I recommend you check yours and return if you can feel this with your fingernail, else yours may crack also. Also check to see if the glass is fitted evenly (see pics). I think this is also caused by the poor front/back fitting as it stops the glass from fitting correctly. If you have your phone on contract I agree (with hindsight) that you should return to your network provider for repair. Going to HTC (UK) has been a disaster. My network (EE) have been brilliant "motivating" HTC to repair the device. Any how the phone is now repaired and, supposedly, on its way to me. I have but one remaining item of business with HTC (UK) which is delivery. They promised to get it to me today, but are using ups standard which wont deliver that result. Yesterday I asked them to escalate this issue and make arrangement for a person to person delivery today. Still waiting for feedback from my escalation, but yesterday they advised that no-one in HTC (UK) has the authority to do this!! I think this actually means they cant be bothered, even after taking 70 days to fix a problem. Hopeless.
I tweeted HTC yesterday and they are looking into my case. They also said they would do this on Saturday however with no apparent results or updates from them. More lip service I think. Still I'll do the silly HTC repair dance for as long as it takes, and cause as much pain and shame as is necessary to do it.
Sorry, but I had the same issue on my One. It didn't get worse or bother me at all. You could of just lived with it and not got so OCD and about.
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Sorry, but I had the same issue on my One. It didn't get worse or bother me at all. You could of just lived with it and not got so OCD and about.
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Look at the pics. If u think thats acceptable then fine, but I am not you. The device was in the process of falling to bits. In my case it did get worse as you can see. You may think that Im OCD, but the law states that the device should be free from defect, and I am thankful of it. Thank you for the valuable contribution to this thread.
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Don't tell me.... said manufacturing defect is the much lauded gap in the "gapless" technology phone?
Seriously if the phone was less than 28 days old, I would of returned it to EE for a replacement on the spot, although I wouldn't of bothered as every phone in the world has issues, as they aren't Rolls Royce or Rolex's.
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The gapless tech does not cover the speaker area. This has been said many times, even HTC has said it in one of their blogs.
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Oh dear, oh dear
Hi,
got the phone back today, and the gap is back but is now full of a glue. This was actually fixed after the first repair but its back. There is also additional damage in the form of a chunk out of the corner, and an additional gap at the side of the device. The glass problem is yet to be fixed as is the over/underhang, and theres lots of excess glue around the device.
Lucky I got before and after photos at repair cycle. Repair not accepted. No more HTC repairs for me I think.
I made much noise on twitter, and now have a publicly made personal commitment from a HTC senior exec to help with the matter (Twitter is marvelous in these circumstances). I await his response. I am somewhat relieved at this as it does show, at least at the top, that they do care.
So there's good, and there's bad in this update, so unfortunately its still a thumbs down from me. as my problem is still not resolved 71 days after I first reported it.
I offered my professional services to help transform HTC but have not heard anything back yet.
The helpful EE guy I was talking to has disappeared off the face of the planet also until Saturday apparently also. BBC;s watchdog have had a sniff so this could be the start of my TV career, if HTC dont want to hire me.
I also updated HTC and advised that I will only discuss this with the senior exec who offered his services from this point on.
P.S Apologies for the poor pics. I had to use my old phones camera.
Whereas this story is very poor I have to say HTC's UK repairs center were great when it came to me sending in my old Desire and Sensation for repair. 3 day turnaround and both sorted without bother. It does seem like this is a bad experience, though, and one that would just make me claim on my insurance to get a new handset as opposed to getting one repaired
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Whereas this story is very poor I have to say HTC's UK repairs center were great when it came to me sending in my old Desire and Sensation for repair. 3 day turnaround and both sorted without bother. It does seem like this is a bad experience, though, and one that would just make me claim on my insurance to get a new handset as opposed to getting one repaired
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My device is under warranty. This is the result of three warranty repairs, lots of escalation, costs (time spent, days off waiting for the device to be returned) and grief. How would I make a claim on insurance, its in warranty. Believe me,if I thought my insurance company would fix my ongoing problem I would have claimed. I HAVE authored a thread previously stating what an excellent level of service I received from HTC UK repair, when I had a problem with my HTC desire.
I will give credit where credit is due, and complain when it is due. I want to write nice things about HTC, but in this case I cannot unfortunately.
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My device is under warranty. This is the result of three warranty repairs, lots of escalation, costs (time spent, days off waiting for the device to be returned) and grief. How would I make a claim on insurance, its in warranty. Believe me,if I thought my insurance company would fix my ongoing problem I would have claimed. I HAVE authored a thread previously stating what an excellent level of service I received from HTC UK repair, when I had a problem with my HTC desire.
I will give credit where credit is due, and complain when it is due. I want to write nice things about HTC, but in this case I cannot unfortunately.
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Oh, I know what you're saying. I'm just saying if I'd had this much agro I would've just got the phone back unrepaired and claim on my insurance and just a brand new handset...sucks that this has happened to you
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Oh, I know what you're saying. I'm just saying if I'd had this much agro I would've just got the phone back unrepaired and claim on my insurance and just a brand new handset...sucks that this has happened to you
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But would your experience figure in your next purchase? HTC have made contact and I am confident they are taking this matter seriously. Hopefully be seeing improvements and lots of positive reviews like this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432718
soon. I wont give this a thumbs up just yet, but I am more confident so fingers crossed :fingers-crossed: