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Windows Mobile 6.5 next month!

"Software giant Microsoft is apparently getting ready to drop its trousers and unveil its assets at the Mobile World Congress event at Barcelona next month. "
"Microsoft is also expected to unveil Windows Mobile 6.5 with the new UI at the Mobile World Congress. "
XPERIA will get the upgrade i am sure!
Hurrah - "new UI" hopefully more easy to use!

This post does not help anybody for some reasons:
1) You did not state the source of your informtion
2) Most people may already have known this
3) this is only speculation (anyway I am expecting the announcment soon too)
4) no one knows what to expect from WM6.5 except Skynet...
sorry, i hope to not offend you but thats what came up in my mind...

It will be interesting to see if Xperia actually gets the update to WM6.5, but I'm not so sure. One can only hope... In any case, surely the developers at XDA will cook something up

Here: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2485
Nothing has been said about a new XPERIA. SE haven't announced its new partner yet and previous reports state that the new XPERIA should be unveiled late 2009...

Comeradealexi - Thanks for letting us well me know as it means I've got something to google now on my lunch break.

here it is if you don't want to click
"Neowin, quoting unnamed sources close to Microsoft, is claiming Mobile World Congress (February 16-19th), will not only be bringing Windows Mobile 6.5, but also a slew of Microsoft services rumoured previously to the Windows Mobile platform.
“SkyBox” is a service for users to sync a phones information with the web. Microsoft will be offering automatic backup and restore services, access and management of phone data and provide easy communication and sharing with others. The service will also allow syncing of contacts, email/SMS, calendar items and pictures into the cloud. Neowin adds a new detail, not rumoured previously, that this service will be available not only on Windows Mobile, but also for other phone OS’s.
“SkyLine” will be aimed at small businesses. Offering similar functionality to SkyBox, businesses will be able to setup their phones with Microsoft’s Exchange hosting with their own domain names.
“SkyMarket” is Microsoft’s mobile marketplace, a competitor to Apple’s AppStore and RIM’s Blackberry application center.
Neowin also claims that their sources confirm the leaked screenshots from earlier this year are in fact real, despite being panned for having icons stolen from the Apple OSX desktop, and that they represent design concepts.
Looks like we do have quite a bit to look forward to in a months time after all."
so make of that what you will

could have sworn i posted this yesterday..

i think x1 will work slower after upgrade.
because it's windows : )

Ethermind said:
i think x1 will work slower after upgrade.
because it's windows : )
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After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.

msalmank said:
After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.
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I think you meant hope.. ;P

fards said:
I think you meant hope.. ;P
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LOL LOL
Ah... Microsucks...

well... let's better hope we get "some" update "some" day... as things are going till now... maybe this will be the first PDA without official rom updates... ¬¬

msalmank said:
After having played with Windows 7... i can say that Microsoft is finally taking things in the right direction. So i expect WinMo 6.5 to be way better.
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"The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums." -Old forum posting
All joking aside, I am looking forward to any updates made to Windows Mobile Professional. Standard got a real nice interface boost with 6.1, and we didn't get squat in the "looks" department.

fards said:
I think you meant hope.. ;P
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Actually... i meant EXPECT!

NotATreoFan said:
"The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums." -Old forum posting
All joking aside, I am looking forward to any updates made to Windows Mobile Professional. Standard got a real nice interface boost with 6.1, and we didn't get squat in the "looks" department.
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Just go and play with Windows 7 and you'll be sitting right here beside me saying that you EXPECT Windows Mobile to be taken in the right direction...

msalmank said:
Just go and play with Windows 7 and you'll be sitting right here beside me saying that you EXPECT Windows Mobile to be taken in the right direction...
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I've been running Windows 7 for about 2 weeks now, and I'm with you 100%. I'm not running it as my full time OS, but it is definitely running better than Vista did in beta/pre-SP1.

yeah - they've done it right with windows 7 - they'll have done it right with mobile 6.5/7

It seems somewhat likely that the X1 will get the update as we haven't heard a word from sony about any software updates whatsoever. What's the use of the software update utility if no updates are made? Maybe they haven't released anything because they have to wait until 6.5 is announced.

NotATreoFan said:
(windows 7) is definitely running better than Vista did in beta/pre-SP1.
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Windows 7 beta 1 is better than Vista full stop
Cant wait for WM7... getting bored of the same old same old now.....................

n4v1n said:
It seems somewhat likely that the X1 will get the update as we haven't heard a word from sony about any software updates whatsoever. What's the use of the software update utility if no updates are made? Maybe they haven't released anything because they have to wait until 6.5 is announced.
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More likely, since they've parted ways with HTC, they've abandoned updating the Xperia X1, so not only will we not see Windows Mobile 6.5, we won't even get any firmware updates, like the retarded problem where turning off WIFI also turns of Bluetooth at the same time, or where Bluetooth keeps turning off by itself (workaround is Mortscript, but why do we need workarounds?!), etc. etc.
The HTC Touch HD has ALREADY had 2 or 3 updates, and it was released later than the Xperia X1. Where are the Xperia updates? NONE. NADA. ZIP.
I have an Xperia X1 but I'm starting to feel mighty bad here... I'm not feeling any love from HTC or SE and I doubt (and I hope I'm wrong) that we will see any updates, ever, for our machines.

Windows 8

Will there be a Windows 8 effort for this tablet since the developer preview is out?

I don't recall seeing an arm version for download... so I doubt it so far
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According to this, it'll support ARM.
http://www.windows8news.com/2011/01/05/windows-8-arm-press-release-microsoft/

agentfazexx said:
According to this, it'll support ARM.
http://www.windows8news.com/2011/01/05/windows-8-arm-press-release-microsoft/
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While it will support ARM, no developer preview of the ARM OS has been released as of yet.

Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.

ctiger said:
Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.
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The ARM version will not be the exact same version as what will be running on the X86 platform.
If you'd care to educate yourself about the many different ARM procs that it will run on, have a look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon

Short answer, no. Long answer, see above.

kjy2010 said:
The ARM version will not be the exact same version as what will be running on the X86 platform.
If you'd care to educate yourself about the many different ARM procs that it will run on, have a look here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4811/windows-8-tablets-running-on-ti-qualcomm-nvidia-amd-intel-silicon
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Good to know. Thanks man.

I'd like to point out if this were done none of the software you have now for windows will not work since mostly have no support for arm processor.
I know I know I have wet dreams myself thinking about walking about playing starcraft 2 and valve games

BrianDigital said:
I'd like to point out if this were done none of the software you have now for windows will not work since mostly have no support for arm processor.
I know I know I have wet dreams myself thinking about walking about playing starcraft 2 and valve games
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Hahahaha so do I. I guess VDI will have to do...

agentfazexx said:
Hahahaha so do I. I guess VDI will have to do...
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Vdi?
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First its said that windows 8 will be able to run on as little as 128mb. And why would you want to replace the Android OS with anything by Microsoft??
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ctiger said:
Even if Win 8 supports ARM, will the T20 powerful enough to handle it? I know Windows is quite a big clunky thing, no enough horsepower, even if you put it on, it's not going to drive. We'll have to have some sort of uniform performance measure to determine that the T20 is as powerful as those x86s that run Win 8 smoothly to say it will happen and it could be appreciated. But anyways, I'll say, if win 8 actually can run on our Tab, that's only a great news for everyone.
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BrianDigital said:
Vdi?
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Google it. It's a VMware technology.
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I<3Android said:
First its said that windows 8 will be able to run on as little as 128mb. And why would you want to replace the Android OS with anything by Microsoft??
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Microsoft is a standard.

agentfazexx said:
Microsoft is a standard.
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Microsoft is a big standard in the PC World, in the phone and tablet world, not so much. Android is more of a standard bearer in those two worlds than Windows is; at least for now.

dscribe said:
Microsoft is a big standard in the PC World, in the phone and tablet world, not so much. Android is more of a standard bearer in those two worlds than Windows is; at least for now.
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Well tablets are becoming the new laptops.

agentfazexx said:
Well tablets are becoming the new laptops.
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To some degree you are right. And Microsoft finds itself behind on this platform trying to play catch-up. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Microsoft basher like some, but Android has a major head-start in this field so far.

dscribe said:
To some degree you are right. And Microsoft finds itself behind on this platform trying to play catch-up. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Microsoft basher like some, but Android has a major head-start in this field so far.
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Yes, Google has somewhat of a head start in the mobile market, however Microsoft has a head start in the OS market. They'll catch up soon enough.

agentfazexx said:
Yes, Google has somewhat of a head start in the mobile market, however Microsoft has a head start in the OS market. They'll catch up soon enough.
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Maybe. They were several years ahead of android in the phone market but they are behind there also. We shall see.

Two years ago, the whole computer world has only one software giant, Microsoft, which is the only OS provider, and they know they are the only one. That's monopoly. Even with the phone OS war between Apple and Google fired up so much, it's just some toys to Microsoft's eye, they acted slowly, not want to dump their WinMo 6.5 directly and work on something new, or improve Winmo quickly enough to catch up in the mobile OS market. But all of a sudden, Apple jumped to tablet world, and started to offer something that's simple enough to use and can take place of PC in some leisure use in many household. And now Microsoft can't sit tight, because this directly threaten the core business of Windows. This brought down the price of PC, especially the laptop price, to compete with the new comer, and who benefits? all the consumers.
But if you use the Android, or iOS tablets, you will find it's limited. I can understand that they are still evolving, but the limitation is clear. Some very simple tasks on PC or laptop, became such a headache, impossible mission on Android. I have some excel docs on Google doc, I downloaded the app Google doc, but can't figure out how to copy the whole line, then paste it, and change several fields, instead, in the app, I'll have to copy single field, or edit one by one. I have a lot fields in the line repeated, format the same... So it will be much easier to just copy paste.
After the time, I definitely find the use of a simple Tab, just to view content, but I still dream of having a powerful enough Tab that actually can take over the laptop, isn't that the ultimate goal of the mobile device? So we can plug in a monitor and a keyboard/mouse set, and it will do what my laptop does? We will still have a long way to go. I also hope Google is going that way, otherwise, this windows 8 will soon take over, because many of us have such a desire, and we will go to windows 8 if it can work like that.

ctiger said:
Two years ago, the whole computer world has only one software giant, Microsoft, which is the only OS provider, and they know they are the only one. That's monopoly. Even with the phone OS war between Apple and Google fired up so much, it's just some toys to Microsoft's eye, they acted slowly, not want to dump their WinMo 6.5 directly and work on something new, or improve Winmo quickly enough to catch up in the mobile OS market. But all of a sudden, Apple jumped to tablet world, and started to offer something that's simple enough to use and can take place of PC in some leisure use in many household. And now Microsoft can't sit tight, because this directly threaten the core business of Windows. This brought down the price of PC, especially the laptop price, to compete with the new comer, and who benefits? all the consumers.
But if you use the Android, or iOS tablets, you will find it's limited. I can understand that they are still evolving, but the limitation is clear. Some very simple tasks on PC or laptop, became such a headache, impossible mission on Android. I have some excel docs on Google doc, I downloaded the app Google doc, but can't figure out how to copy the whole line, then paste it, and change several fields, instead, in the app, I'll have to copy single field, or edit one by one. I have a lot fields in the line repeated, format the same... So it will be much easier to just copy paste.
After the time, I definitely find the use of a simple Tab, just to view content, but I still dream of having a powerful enough Tab that actually can take over the laptop, isn't that the ultimate goal of the mobile device? So we can plug in a monitor and a keyboard/mouse set, and it will do what my laptop does? We will still have a long way to go. I also hope Google is going that way, otherwise, this windows 8 will soon take over, because many of us have such a desire, and we will go to windows 8 if it can work like that.
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Dude the monopoly wars are over too. There is no tech monopoly. Everyone has competition.

Ballmer confirmed? Windows 8 is coming to phones

Steve Ballmer let slip that Microsoft is planning to put Windows 8 on phones.
This morning at the company's shareholders' meeting, a shareholder asked if we were in the post-PC era.
He started off his answer by insisting that we will ALWAYS be in the Windows era, then said "We've got broad initiatives driving Windows down to the phone with Windows 8."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wind...ones-says-steve-ballmer-2011-11#ixzz1dnlhhRHd
*Update: Microsoft says that Ballmer didn't say that Windows 8 is coming to Windows Phone. Here's the official transcript:
We've got broad Windows initiatives driving Windows down to the phone. With Windows 8, you'll see incredible new form factors powered by Windows from tablets, small, large, pens, smaller, bigger, room-sized displays.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/wind...ones-says-steve-ballmer-2011-11#ixzz1do45FsZg

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/15/...indows-8-isnt-coming-to-phones-video/?m=false

if you listen to it, that is NOT how he says it.
either he was reading off a script that he had NO idea what was talking about, or microsoft has made a big change since he said that.

This means all XNA games are gone for good ? Or they will update XNA to DirectX 11.

i dont think that win 8 is suitable for phones, it's extremely complicate

HenryJe said:
i dont think that win 8 is suitable for phones, it's extremely complicate
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Now that the silverlight for Desktop/tablet is "dead" switching phones to Win8 would defiantly kill silverlight forever. Don't think this will happen in near future. There is still hope

dk5055 said:
Now that the silverlight for Desktop/tablet is "dead" switching phones to Win8 would defiantly kill silverlight forever. Don't think this will happen in near future. There is still hope
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What do you mean?
Focus more on HTML5 doens't mean the MS gonna kill Silverlight.
Silverlight is still required for Windows Phone and other stuffs.

Windows 8 is now stable on ARM!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it

evil secure boot: if you get one of those, it won't run Android on it (unless someone cracks their keys)

mrevankyle said:
Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk

Completely off-topic; this thread should be moved to a forum that has anything to do with Windows 8.
And incidentally, Win8 will be the next Vista. It will flop, badly. Microsoft has never managed an even slightly successful touch-screen OS, and Win8 has significant design limitations that will put people off once they finally get to try it.

As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
If Microsoft can make Windows 8 work and improve on the "tiles" portion, I think it could be a reasonable tablet OS.

neofreek01 said:
so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
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I am sorry that you think that that was inconsiderate it just irritates me when someone opens a new thread for a topic that has already been discussed multiple times in the form of a device that will never get that operating system. There is an entire windows 8 section of XDA and i think that this post would have better served to start a discussion there

caseyc said:
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.

What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
The point isn't that Windows necessarily suck at touchscreen capability, it's just that they don't seem to have attracted much attention with it. Whether it's because they also believe that bull**** Apple has created around tablets and want to be seen as a more serious company... or if they're just too damn slow and big to move quickly, who knows?
(By the way, slightly off topic, but where is the best source to gather all past financial history on Apple and Microsoft??)

I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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Yeah, i really do wonder, how many people are going to buy some w8 tablet thinking that they might run any .exe files from their computer I believe there will be many flames thx to it. Not to mention the catastrophic amount of application after the launch....
And the impossibility to dualboot any other system -> w8 will be doomed and forgotten on arm.

asdfuogh said:
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
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A pretty good percentage, I'd say, and the same is true of Android users. However, that straw man has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is that Microsoft has had nothing but dismal failure with touchscreen features of every product they've offered.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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This is one of the key problems I alluded to, and given the number of people in this very forum who don't understand that issue, the answer is "a lot".

CrazyPeter said:
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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blestsol said:
I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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Apparently, I am one, too. I am sadly mistaken, and was quite bigoted to have thought otherwise.

We have a ASUS see slate at the hospital that I work at. It runs Windows 7 64bit with a Solid state drive and 2 gigs of ram, able to go to 4 gigs. It is actually a very solid machine, And cost effictive for our hospital. Most doctors have dell xt2 tablets they carry around that are POS, cost around 3500. For like 1200 you can get a slate a eeeslate and keyboard.
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knoxploration said:
What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
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Uh, what? I get that the marketing sucks and they only have like 3 tablets out that run Windows 7 (if that), but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. I'm obviously not saying it is or ever will be as popular as Android/iOS tablets, hahahah.
Microsoft is an OS developer, and until they manufacture the hardware as well (which won't happen) they're going to have to license Windows to tablet manufacturers who actually want to make them. How many manufacturers want to pay a license for Windows when they can just as easily slap Android on any piece of hardware for free? Not to mention they've had to build Windows tablets using x86 architecture all along which isn't cheap when it's not mass-ordered by every other OEM.
That said, my point was that Windows 7 works surprisingly well as a tablet OS, not that it's going to compete for 1st place with the big boys.
Just as Windows Phone 7 is a relative dud, I'm sure Windows 8 ARM will be as well. Not because the OS doesn't work well on a tablet, but because they are FARRRRRR too late in the game. Popular app developers are just now starting to port their catalog to Android, it's not likely that they are going to consider also porting to Windows on ARM when the user base will be virtually non-existent.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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That's a great point, and I'm sure 90% of the people who buy Windows tablets are going to be people who want to take their desktop applications to a mobile platform.
I guess I just saw a glimmer of hope with the Windows 7 tablet I was surprised by in the store, but I'm being reminded how unlikely it is that Microsoft will ever succeed with any sort of a mobile product for regular consumers.

It's unfortunate, but both Windows 8 in it's tablet form, and Windows Phone 7 are relying on consumer ignorance to succeed.
The Tech news community are the ones at fault here, not highlighting these critical problems with the products, instead banking Microsoft's lucrative "advertising" payments in exchange for saying nice things.
Corporate America ****ing disgusts me. Almost as much as the lack of action by the US government in Microsoft's anti-trust practices.
Looking at the list of categories here, Microsoft have violated most of these at one time, and many they still continue to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices

I am waiting for win 8 Arm tablet
I am one waiting for an arm tablet on windows 8.

I was at one point looking forward to Win8 on ARM but after reading about how MS is going to be locking down ARM systems that run Win8 I have no desire any longer. When will MS and for that matter HW manufacturers understand that an ARM tablet is NO different than a white box PC. Leave it open and unlocked and if someone chooses to install Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, etc... let them.

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Windows 8 gripes / annoyances

So now that 8 is out, can anyone give a short list already of annoyances you've found, any carried over from Windows 7 or XP?

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So now that 8 is out, can anyone give a short list already of annoyances you've found, any carried over from Windows 7 or XP?
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You're posting this in totally the wrong place, so it will be moved or deleted, but ... Windows 8 is cr4p. No gain over 7 unless you have a touch-screen PC. There is no 'Start' button on the desktop so you have to pay to buy one from another software company. A load of drivers don't work on Windows 8 and there seems to be no rush to fix ...
In summary - avoid it. Businesses have already decided to skip this version.

Metro UI on any device without a touch screen and no Start button or menu. It seems Microsoft thinks its a great idea to not let the consumer choose to either have a start menu or use its craptro UI.

One annoyance of mine is the activation of the toolbar/ribbon from the start page to access the shut down/restart menu. I have a dual monitor setup and my mouse continues to the next screen instead of activating the hot corner.

Use [Win]+i to open the Settings charm, from where it's easy to access the Power options or other settings. Alternatively, [Win]+c opens the Charms bar in general. No need to use the hot corners.

nmcaneney said:
One annoyance of mine is the activation of the toolbar/ribbon from the start page to access the shut down/restart menu. I have a dual monitor setup and my mouse continues to the next screen instead of activating the hot corner.
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another tip for hot corners is to slightly offset the monitor in display config, lift the monitor a fraction, when you move the mouse to the corner you will hit a "wall" allowing it to work. But keyboard short cuts are where we should all be at, its so much simpler
Broken Puzzles said:
Metro UI on any device without a touch screen and no Start button or menu. It seems Microsoft thinks its a great idea to not let the consumer choose to either have a start menu or use its ******** UI.
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I don't have this issues and I don't have touch, the new start menu which is what it is, and is even called that in serveral places within the OS IS the metro interface, yes the button has gone but clicking where the button used to be will bring up the start menu

SimonTS said:
You're posting this in totally the wrong place, so it will be moved or deleted, but ... Windows 8 is cr4p. No gain over 7 unless you have a touch-screen PC. There is no 'Start' button on the desktop so you have to pay to buy one from another software company. A load of drivers don't work on Windows 8 and there seems to be no rush to fix ...
In summary - avoid it. Businesses have already decided to skip this version.
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What are you basing that on?? I think you are giving a personal opinion rather than professional advice.Windows 8 is not bad,and definitely not crap.Just accept change and learn the metro ui.Its very good once you get to know it.And by the way,there is a app called pokki which gives you back the start menu and its free! It also gives you an option to boot to desktop.Has microsoft ever disappointed users so far? Driver support will be added.Windows 8 hardly released bro chill.....skipping windows 8 will not help ..
In all likelihood microsoft will not continue development of a desktop ui version of windows...its all metro from now on.Theres a lot to like about windows 8 if you are adaptive
Please dont post such posts which dont have any fact behind them...
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mrappbrain said:
What are you basing that on?? I think you are giving a personal opinion rather than professional advice.Windows 8 is not bad,and definitely not crap.Just accept change and learn the metro ui.Its very good once you get to know it.And by the way,there is a app called pokki which gives you back the start menu and its free! It also gives you an option to boot to desktop.Has microsoft ever disappointed users so far? Driver support will be added.Windows 8 hardly released bro chill.....skipping windows 8 will not help ..
In all likelihood microsoft will not continue development of a desktop ui version of windows...its all metro from now on.Theres a lot to like about windows 8 if you are adaptive
Please dont post such posts which dont have any fact behind them...
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It is not simply a personal opinion. If you actually bothered reading any of the industry reviews then you would discover 90% of businesses are going to stick with Windows 7 because Windows 8 is such a mess. You are purely looking at this from the point of view of a home-user, but Microsoft makes most of its money from the business customers and they are voting with their wallets right now.
As for "Please dont post such posts which dont have any fact behind them..." - I would suggest you wind your neck in before your head gets taken off. I don't know who the f**k you think you are, but I am entitled to my opinion and I have a damn site more experience in this than you do.

Lets all calm down, Xmas what a horrible time of year, we all get stressed out an every ones fuses are that bit shorter, why on earth do we bother with it all
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SimonTS said:
It is not simply a personal opinion. If you actually bothered reading any of the industry reviews then you would discover 90% of businesses are going to stick with Windows 7 because Windows 8 is such a mess. You are purely looking at this from the point of view of a home-user, but Microsoft makes most of its money from the business customers and they are voting with their wallets right now.
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I tend to agree that businesses have no particular need to upgrade. However the new systems are shipping with Windows 8 and there are add ons that enabled the start menu. One could argue that Windows 8 is more secure, because the desktop is running as a separate app under the Windows 8 interface. Windows 8 is fully compatible with network configurations and logins, so there is really no reason why businesses wouldn't accept it for new systems.
I have it running on my ultra portable, which came with a touch screen. It is surprisingly simple to use, but totally unnecessary as an upgrade to Windows 7. I generally go right to the desktop immediately, where all my applications reside. And the first thing I did was install a start button on the desktop!

stevedebi said:
I tend to agree that businesses have no particular need to upgrade. However the new systems are shipping with Windows 8 and there are add ons that enabled the start menu. One could argue that Windows 8 is more secure, because the desktop is running as a separate app under the Windows 8 interface. Windows 8 is fully compatible with network configurations and logins, so there is really no reason why businesses wouldn't accept it for new systems.
I have it running on my ultra portable, which came with a touch screen. It is surprisingly simple to use, but totally unnecessary as an upgrade to Windows 7. I generally go right to the desktop immediately, where all my applications reside. And the first thing I did was install a start button on the desktop!
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Exactly. It isn't anything to jump on if you have a corporate budget to consider (enterprise licenses are expensive), but if you get it for free, have it bundled with a new computer, or in some cases for the $40 upgrade, it becomes feasible to get because it is all around a better OS. Businesses aren't sticking with 7 because they don't like 8. They are sticking with 7 because it works almost as well as 8 and is not worth upgrading for all of their systems at a couple hundred dollars per machine. The majority of businesses that adopt windows 8 will be those who still have xp and haven't upgraded to 7 because either way, they have to pay a hefty sum.
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Exactly. It isn't anything to jump on if you have a corporate budget to consider (enterprise licenses are expensive), but if you get it for free, have it bundled with a new computer, or in some cases for the $40 upgrade, it becomes feasible to get because it is all around a better OS. Businesses aren't sticking with 7 because they don't like 8. They are sticking with 7 because it works almost as well as 8 and is not worth upgrading for all of their systems at a couple hundred dollars per machine. The majority of businesses that adopt windows 8 will be those who still have xp and haven't upgraded to 7 because either way, they have to pay a hefty sum.
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I have a couple of people whom I am providing with consulting, and they are using Windows XP. I have suggested that they consider going to Windows 8 now, simply because it is so cheap at the moment, and MS is going to stop Win XP support in 2014.